I would've posted this in the fantasy fight section, but nobody ever goes there. I am just curious who you would think wins between these two. Buster Douglas was a beast in the fight against Tyson, and I don't think anybody could've beaten him that night, but the same case could be made for Riddick Bowe in the first Holyfield fight. I think this would be a great matchup.

Discuss...

I would've posted this in the fantasy fight section, but nobody ever goes there.

You mean except for the bozos making threads like "Could Ali make it 2 rounds with some fake movie actor"? :rofl:

PS. The Douglas of the Tyson fight would have been tough for any Heavyweight great. Maybe a handful would have edged him but none of them would have an easy time of it.

Poet

You mean except for the bozos making threads like "Could Ali make it 2 rounds with some fake movie actor"? :rofl:
PS. The Douglas of the Tyson fight would have been tough for any Heavyweight great. Maybe a handful would have edged him but none of them would have an easy time of it.

Poet

Exactly. So are you going with Douglas? I meant to put a poll on this. I would vote Douglas. The man was on a mission that night. It was his destiny.

You mean except for the bozos making threads like "Could Ali make it 2 rounds with some fake movie actor"? :rofl:

PS. The Douglas of the Tyson fight would have been tough for any Heavyweight great. Maybe a handful would have edged him but none of them would have an easy time of it.

Poet

I've always thought the exact same of that version of Buster, that night in Tokyo.

Sure, Tyson was undermotivated, untrained, and all those other excuses people like to throw out there to discredit Buster's accomplishment....

But Buster Douglas was a goddamn beast that night, in every sense of the word. The death of his mother must have really lit a fire up under his ass because the way he trained for that fight, and the way he fought on that particular night, was as good as any Heavyweight I've ever seen.

As for the thread question ; I'm completely unsure on this one. Though I can guarantee that the fight would be filled with fireworks and plenty of ebbs and flows. Could've been FOTY potential.

Exactly. So are you going with Douglas? I meant to put a poll on this. I would vote Douglas. The man was on a mission that night. It was his destiny.

I'm inclined to go towards Douglas. Bowe was great that night against Holyfield but Tokyo was just one of those special performances that don't come along very often.

Poet

I've always thought the exact same of that version of Buster, that night in Tokyo.

Sure, Tyson was undermotivated, untrained, and all those other excuses people like to throw out there to discredit Buster's accomplishment....

But Buster Douglas was a goddamn beast that night, in every sense of the word. The death of his mother must have really lit a fire up under his ass because the way he trained for that fight, and the way he fought on that particular night, was as good as any Heavyweight I've ever seen.

As for the thread question ; I'm completely unsure on this one. Though I can guarantee that the fight would be filled with fireworks and plenty of ebbs and flows. Could've been FOTY potential.

Yeah, those kind of performances come along so rarely that they really stand out when you see them: Frazier Vs Ali in their first fight, Duran Vs Leonard in their first fight, Louis Vs Schmeling in their second fight. It also reminds you of how special a fighter Douglas COULD have been if he'd been motivated for more than just one fight in his career.....what a waste.

Poet

Yeah, those kind of performances come along so rarely that they really stand out when you see them: Frazier Vs Ali in their first fight, Duran Vs Leonard in their first fight, Louis Vs Schmeling in their second fight. It also reminds you of how special a fighter Douglas COULD have been if he'd been motivated for more than just one fight in his career.....what a waste.

Poet

The latter also rings true of Riddick Bowe.

He only ever really "showed up" for the Holyfield fights, but by the end of them, it was clear he was no longer Riddick Bowe.

Two very similar fighters, Douglas and Bowe. They both had so much wasted potential.

Good matchup. I go wit Bowe on this one. For all his excellence vs Mike, Buster was still dropped by 1 properly placed shot. I think Bowe coulda swarmed him and done enuf to hurt Buster and get the win. Both versions of those fighters were really only 1 night specials, but this fight would be a war.

I would've posted this in the fantasy fight section, but nobody ever goes there. I am just curious who you would think wins between these two. Buster Douglas was a beast in the fight against Tyson, and I don't think anybody could've beaten him that night, but the same case could be made for Riddick Bowe in the first Holyfield fight. I think this would be a great matchup.

Discuss...

Really? You honestly think that? Not only did he very nearly get sparked in that fight he still made mistakes that someone like Holyfield would have taken advantage of whether it was the Tyson version that he fought or the one that he did spark in his next fight.

I think Bowe probably would have won to be honest. Better jab and fought inside much better too. Could have taken advantage of the tings that Tyson couldn't.

An amazing fight by Douglas but it was by no means some unbeatable performance. Tyson nearly beat him in that fight already. I think he fought the perfect fight against Tyson that night but against someone else that had more than Tyson did, he could have been beaten as easily as Holyfield did later on or he could have been outboxed....Hard to say as it was such a one off but there were definitely holes in his game even in that fight. A possibly lackluster Tyson could not take advantage of them though.

Bowe, 10 times out of 10.

Yeah, those kind of performances come along so rarely that they really stand out when you see them: Frazier Vs Ali in their first fight, Duran Vs Leonard in their first fight, Louis Vs Schmeling in their second fight. It also reminds you of how special a fighter Douglas COULD have been if he'd been motivated for more than just one fight in his career.....what a waste.

Poet

Agree if you knock the Louis fight out,that was a near as I've ever seen to an execution rather than a fight to be honest.
The Douglas of the Tyson fight would be a good fantasy match up against any HW.
Reminds me of a Joseph Heller quote I always liked, when people used to say to him that he never wrote anything else as good as Catch 22 he used to reply "No, but nor did anyone else" :)

bowe drops buster quick,probably the fastest clowning a boxer was ever clowned:boxing:

The only thing Buster lacked that night was something he couldn't train. His chin. He had a terrible chin, and Bowe could have gotten inside at one point because he had the reach and size to do it. However, Douglass would capatilize on Bowe's bad defense too.

Bowe would have taken it, the difference between the two would come down to Bowe being much more talented in general.

You mean except for the bozos making threads like "Could Ali make it 2 rounds with some fake movie actor"? :rofl:

PS. The Douglas of the Tyson fight would have been tough for any Heavyweight great. Maybe a handful would have edged him but none of them would have an easy time of it.

Poet

I agree. Douglas would have been hell for anyone that night. He was so motivated after the loss of his mother, there was no way he was losing that fight and he would have walked through fire to win.

As for a Bowe match up? Hard to say. I think I'd have to go with Bowe.

Riddick Bowe never dealt with good jabbers or good outside fighters, even in his peak he got a gift decision against a shot Tony Tubbs, and was getting out boxed and out jabbed by Tyrell Biggs, until he caught up to his weak jaw. Buster Douglas by UD no doubt in my mind.

Riddick Bowe never dealt with good jabbers or good outside fighters, even in his peak he got a gift decision against a shot Tony Tubbs, and was getting out boxed and out jabbed by Tyrell Biggs, until he caught up to his weak jaw. Buster Douglas by UD no doubt in my mind.
I agree.. Good anylasis actually..

We all know that Tyson was'nt quite himself when he fought Douglas but nevertheless, would have still beaten 90% of what was out there at the time..
I remember watching Douglas get stopped late (10th I think) by Tony Tucker for the IBF belt (which I think had become vacant) which in turn, Tucker then lost to Tyson..
This was a fight that Buster was winning fairly comfortably.. In fact, i'd say he won 5 out of the first 6 rounds and I can remember thinking, this guy's got one hell of a jab, and a good overhand right to match, but unfortunately he started gassing at the half way stage, and Tucker picked him off to force the stoppage..

He learned from this, and came in able to sustain his considerable boxing skills for the full 12 rounds against Mike, who on the the other hand, had chosen to have a weekend on the piss.. Douglas was also fired up due to the death of his mother a couple of days prior to the fight, and ended up schooling Tyson b4 KOing him.. Contrary to popular belief, I think Tyson was still an extremely dangerous fighter that night, and shortly b4 getting counted out himself, totally levelled Douglas with a massive uppercut for a cotroversaly long count, which Douglas only just managed to beat..
The sad thing is, that any other version of Douglas would have been more than happy just to lay there..

With regard to Riddick Bowe, i'd say it's a 50 50 match with that version of Tyson, let alone Douglas who I believe would win by DC..

I think Bowe would beat him decisively. Mike Tyson was badly out of shape in that fight imo. Im not a big Tyson fan but i will admit that.

Douglas did not look to hot against Tucker imo. They say Douglas gave up in a fight he was winning but Tucker had just hurt him legitimately and he seemed to give up because he did not want to take any more punishment more so than because of a mental block, plus to say he was winning the fight is debatable, it was a boring close fight where one could of had Tucker or Douglas ahead because of how close the rounds where. I had Douglas ahead but not by a big margin.

Douglas got beaten by the count but the ref did a **** job. Douglas was great but Bowe was fighting a much better fight against a tougher fighter in Holyfield.
I'd say Bowe by SD.

Buster would be game, I think, but, Douglas would not be able to dance around Bowe the way he did against the 5'11 Tyson.

Buster would be game, I think, but, Douglas would not be able to dance around Bowe the way he did against the 5'11 Tyson.

Actually he would a shot Tony Tubbs did it and was robbed, so did Tyrell Biggs and he was doing well until he got caught. And remember Tyrell Biggs was on the downslide at the time. And Evander Holyfield in the 2nd fight danced around Riddick Bowe pretty well aswell.

flick a coin, as they were both ****!

flick a coin, as they were both ****!
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Buster put on a great display in the Tyson fight but i could never pick him over Bowe. Bowe was slightly better in every department. Big difference in this fight would be Bowe's work on the inside.

Prime Riddick Bowe is a top ten HW. I can't see Buster beating him.

Douglas only looked that good because Tyson let him look that good. If that had been a focused Tyson, it would have been a high paced fight ending in the early rounds. Douglas would have been somewhat competitive until he was stopped. Bowe had resistance from Holyfield, so I would say Bowe was the real deal that night. I pick Bowe by KO in that one. Douglas going down with that single shot in the 8th just goes to show how the fight would have went with Tyson in his prime. Remember, just because Tyson was in his prime years doesn't mean he was in his prime that night.