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Bombardier
04-05-2005, 02:20 PM
Damn, this stuff ticks me off even though I'm not American. If you live on a border town and want to spend a weekend afternoon in Canada you'll need a damn passport to get back. What the hell?!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7393716/

U.S. to tighten passport requirements

You'll need one to get back from Mexico or Canada

WASHINGTON - Americans will need passports to re-enter the United States from Canada, Mexico, Panama and Bermuda by 2008, part of a tightening of U.S. border controls in an era of terrorist threat, three administration officials said Tuesday.

Similarly, Canadians will also have to present a passport to enter the United States, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Canadians have been the only foreigners allowed to enter the United States with just a driver’s license.

An announcement, expected later Tuesday at the State Department, will specify that a passport or another valid travel document will have to be shown by U.S. citizens, the officials said.

Until now, Americans returning home from Canada have needed only to show a driver’s license or other government-issued photo identification card.

Americans returning from Mexico, Panama or Bermuda currently need only a government-issued photo identification card plus proof of U.S. citizenship like an original birth or naturalization certificate, according to the State Department’s Web site.

The new rules, to be phased in by Jan. 1, 2008, were called for in intelligence legislation approved last year by Congress.

9/11 spurred concerns

Safeguarding U.S. borders are a top concern of U.S. intelligence and security officials. The concern increased after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and on the Pentagon.

The travel industry has raised concerns that the changes might hamper tourism, one official said.

The announcement follows a three-way summit last month that President Bush held with Prime Minister Paul Martin of Canada and President Vicente Fox of Mexico.

Speaking at Baylor University at Waco, Tex., Bush said border controls with Mexico had to be tightened to make sure that terrorists, drug runners, gun runners and smugglers do not enter the United States.

Besides a passport, re-entering Americans could use another approved travel document like frequent travel cards, which are issued to some people who travel often between the U.S. and Mexico. These cards typically are used to avoid long border-crossing lines.

But in most cases, only passports will do, another U.S. official said.

The new system will deal first with the Caribbean, then Mexico and Canada. It will start at airports and subsequently spread to land crossings, said an official speaking on condition of anonymity.

U.S. inspectors will bear less of a burden with the changes because they won’t have to sift through different kinds of travel documents, the officials said.

The Troll
04-05-2005, 02:41 PM
the US federal government

AgonYx0
04-05-2005, 02:51 PM
god damn piecies of ****s!

Explosivo
04-05-2005, 03:12 PM
This is an incovienience, but I dont know why you guys are so pissed about it. The place that will be hurt the most by this is Mexico, not the US. Mexico (Tijuana) relies on drunk kids who have nothing but ID's to run the local economy. I dont know what they are going to do about this new problem. Its too bad. Couldnt have happened to a nicer place... :D

Bombardier
04-05-2005, 03:17 PM
This is an incovienience, but I dont know why you guys are so pissed about it. The place that will be hurt the most by this is Mexico, not the US. Mexico (Tijuana) relies on drunk kids who have nothing but ID's to run the local economy. I dont know what they are going to do about this new problem. Its too bad. Couldnt have happened to a nicer place... :D

A lot of Americans don't have passports. I don't remember the exact percentage, but it's low. Fact is that it's pricey for some people to get them for them and all of their family. At the very least, you shouldn't have to pay for the privlege of coming back to your home country.

Canadians and Americans along the northern border go back and forth across it all the time. Thing is that, like you said, it will mean that people will stay in their own countries more, so I'm sure that there won't be that many businesses complaining about this...unless you're right across from a large population center. Store and bar owners in Windsor, for example, must be crying about how many fewer Detroiters they're going to see.

LuKahnLi
04-05-2005, 03:31 PM
The terrorists that are going to attack us in the next couple years are most likely ALREADY here.

We are trying to keep ourselves safe through bureacracy. Forms, papers, identification, records. This is a trap. We are moving in the wrong direction. Look at Casino security. It is air tight yet unintrusive at the same time. As Bill Maher said on Real Time last week:"In a casino you can't even count in your own head without being hit with a bat and driven into the desert by Joe Pesci."

SonnyG8R
04-05-2005, 04:01 PM
I have a passport so I don't care. Actually I think it's a good idea. :p

Explosivo
04-05-2005, 04:13 PM
I think it sucks to have to have a passport to get back into your own country, but how would they know that your really a citizen? Anyone could say that they are American or whatever. the fact of the matter is that people are going to have to show proof. I bet this law wont even be enforced strongly on the US/Mexico border. Those guys who let you in dont a give a ****.

Speaking of casino security, I one time had a 50lbs Nos tank that I covered with a blanket and carried it through the Paris Hotel all the way to my room and no one said **** to me. It could have been a ****ing bomb for all anyone knew.

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04-05-2005, 05:48 PM
Just another useless inconvenience, it wont really stop a terrorist who really wants to get in from getting in. And like someone already said if they are plotting against the U.S. they are almost for sure already here. This is almost sure to cause longer lines to get in to the U.S. unless they do simple visual like they do with birth certificates and I.Ds. So my question really is what if u are an American truck driver delivering products on your way back do u have to wait in line or is there an express lane for those people?

Fallout
04-05-2005, 10:22 PM
another reason to ****ing hate George Bush.

neils7147933
04-05-2005, 10:30 PM
The United States of Tyranny continues their attack on freedom...

Next up...National ID cards!

masterdirector
04-05-2005, 11:48 PM
Getting a passport isn't very expensive. It's like $25 or so if you don't wait a couple days before your trip. Pricey? Anybody going abroad on vacation should be able to afford it.

Passports are good for 10 years, so it isn't a big deal. And you need a birth certificate to get your passport anyhow, so no big deal there either. Anybody travelling outside of their home country should have a passport. If you get in some **** and need to go to your embassy, it is nice to have.