i went back and took at look at the joppy fight..and it did look awkard the way trinidad knocked joppys ass all around the ring..trinidad can crack..but i dont think he hits that hard..i think he gloves were wrapped illegally..when he hit joppy it looked like somebody thru a brick at joppys head

i went back and took at look at the joppy fight..and it did look awkard the way trinidad knocked joppys ass all around the ring..trinidad can crack..but i dont think he hits that hard..i think he gloves were wrapped illegally..when he hit joppy it looked like somebody thru a brick at joppys head

For a guy with bad balance, Tito can punch very hard!!

A lot is said about Tito's wraps, so i'm going to wrap mine like that for sparring to see how much it effects the opponent.

For a guy with bad balance, Tito can punch very hard!!

A lot is said about Tito's wraps, so i'm going to wrap mine like that for sparring to see how much it effects the opponent.


hahahah@ im going to wrap mine like that for sparring...hahahahaha...

I think I can hit harder than Tito Trinidad..

I think I can hit harder than Tito Trinidad..

i second that
we talkin about hitting the canvas right?

You guys must be out of your mind to think the reason why Tito was knocking so many people out was because of his hand wraps. No matter how you see it, Tito still has to throw the punch. His hand wraps are not going to give him more power, his hand wraps do not throw the punch for him. You guys have to face the fact that no matter how Tito wraps his hands, he's still gonna be knocking people out. Same go's for anyone else who has a punch. HAND WRAPS DO NOT GIVE YOU MORE POWER PERIOD.

You guys must be out of your mind to think the reason why Tito was knocking so many people out was because of his hand wraps. No matter how you see it, Tito still has to throw the punch. His hand wraps are not going to give him more power, his hand wraps do not throw the punch for him. You guys have to face the fact that no matter how Tito wraps his hands, he's still gonna be knocking people out. Same go's for anyone else who has a punch. HAND WRAPS DO NOT GIVE YOU MORE POWER PERIOD.

Well even if its not defined technically as 'power' it gives you extra hardness which causes punches to hurt more than they normally would. Imagine if he had brass knuckles on, it wouldnt give you more power, but each punch would bloody hurt wouldnt it?

i second that
we talkin about hitting the canvas right?
lol i know i can.

Well even if its not defined technically as 'power' it gives you extra hardness which causes punches to hurt more than they normally would. Imagine if he had brass knuckles on, it wouldnt give you more power, but each punch would bloody hurt wouldnt it?

Yes it would hurt more in a sense but wouldn't be the cause of a KO. It still would not change the velocity of his punches. If your strong enough to KO someone with brass knuckles on, your strong enough to KO someone without them.

all i know is ppl were saying tito couldnt hurt Hopkins is their fght cuz they didnt let him do his illegal rapping of the hands thing...i know tito has turned into a *****..but i think he has good power...

I was thinking in a different way. He does what ever it takes t win, including low blows as a fight plan. He hit Vargas with like 5 or so. I think that was a big factor , even if Vargas took ten min. off it takes your power and endurance away.

It was nothing more than a mind game played by Hopkins that night. Bouie Fischer and Nazeem Richardson both said that there was nothing wrong with his handwraps. There was also an article on some website in response to the article Steve Kim wrote where several trainers were asked about the wraps and they all said that you can't gain power by the way a fighter wraps his hands. The NYSAC even had Trinidad Sr. demonstrate the wrapping before the Mayorga fight and they approved it.

technically, it can cause the KO. for example, suppose you had a boxing glove on that was a bowling ball that you drilled a hole through and put your hand in. that would cause a KO even if you had little KO power without the bowling ball boxing glove on

It was nothing more than a mind game played by Hopkins that night. Bouie Fischer and Nazeem Richardson both said that there was nothing wrong with his handwraps. There was also an article on some website in response to the article Steve Kim wrote where several trainers were asked about the wraps and they all said that you can't gain power by the way a fighter wraps his hands. The NYSAC even had Trinidad Sr. demonstrate the wrapping before the Mayorga fight and they approved it.
All I know is Hopkins is the only guy who made him change the hand wrap and that fight was the weakest I've ever seen Tito look. The other thing that was strange about it was Tito's reaction. He was threating to not fight and he might wouldnt have if the fight was in The Garden infront of alot of his people and also right after 911. He also seemed less confident when he was fighting and I'm talking about early in the fight. Sometimes he was in postition to throw bombs and he didnt even let his hands go and when he did punch Bernard he looked way less powerful. Dont give me that **** either about X chin because you can tell when someone is landing hard or isnt. I've seen Tito hit people before and it didnt hurt them but you could still tell that it was a hard punch but in the Hopkins fight none of the punches were hard.

technically, it can cause the KO. for example, suppose you had a boxing glove on that was a bowling ball that you drilled a hole through and put your hand in. that would cause a KO even if you had little KO power without the bowling ball boxing glove on

That has to be the most ignorant thing I have ever heard anyone say. A bowling ball probably ways 50X more than hand wraps. Changing the way someone wraps there hands is not gonna add an extra 10 pounds to thier hands.

How can you tell from that fight when Tito barely landed a punch on Hopkins the entire fight. The punches he did land even Hopkins admitted that he definitely felt them. He also said when Tito landed the only real flush left hook in the fight that he didn't want to get hit with that punch again. This is all from Hopkins mouth in the interview he did with The Ring magazine after the fight.

All I know is Hopkins is the only guy who made him change the hand wrap and that fight was the weakest I've ever seen Tito look. The other thing that was strange about it was Tito's reaction. He was threating to not fight and he might wouldnt have if the fight was in The Garden infront of alot of his people and also right after 911. He also seemed less confident when he was fighting and I'm talking about early in the fight. Sometimes he was in postition to throw bombs and he didnt even let his hands go and when he did punch Bernard he looked way less powerful. Dont give me that **** either about X chin because you can tell when someone is landing hard or isnt. I've seen Tito hit people before and it didnt hurt them but you could still tell that it was a hard punch but in the Hopkins fight none of the punches were hard.

The reason why Hopkins was able to take Trinidads punches is because he was prepared to, not because trinidads hands were wrapped different. Hopkins studied Trinidad like a book, so he knew everything that was comming his way. Just Like what Holyfield did to Tyson. Why didn't Tysons punches effect Holyfield like they did everyone else? The same reasons why Titos punches didn't effect hopkins. NOT HAND WRAPS DAMNIT

That has to be the most ignorant thing I have ever heard anyone say. A bowling ball probably ways 50X more than hand wraps. Changing the way someone wraps there hands is not gonna add an extra 10 pounds to thier hands.
Dude do you now how hard that tape is? Do you know how many times they wrap it around your hands. That **** can be as solid as brass knuckels if you do them illegal. I just thought of something too. One day I saw a clip of Tito and he was sitting there with his gloves off then I think he looked at the camera and put his finger up like saying he was #1 and I looked at his hands and they were ****ing huge. It looked just like he put brass knuckles on his hands and then put tape over top of it. His hand looked way bigger than any boxer I've ever seen. I would just like to see him fight one of the top guys like Winky or Oscar and I gurantee you there going to make him wrap his hands a certain way and then I want to see how much power does he have

The reason why Hopkins was able to take Trinidads punches is because he was prepared to, not because trinidads hands were wrapped different. Hopkins studied Trinidad like a book, so he knew everything that was comming his way. Just Like what Holyfield did to Tyson. Why didn't Tysons punches effect Holyfield like they did everyone else? The same reasons why Titos punches didn't effect hopkins. NOT HAND WRAPS DAMNIT
Tyson was basicaly washed up when he faught Holy. He never hurt any of the top guys he faught after prison. You think no one else was prepared for Tito besides X

How can you tell from that fight when Tito barely landed a punch on Hopkins the entire fight. The punches he did land even Hopkins admitted that he definitely felt them. He also said when Tito landed the only real flush left hook in the fight that he didn't want to get hit with that punch again. This is all from Hopkins mouth in the interview he did with The Ring magazine after the fight.
I dont know where you got that from. That must have been when X was trying to get a rematch witho Tito and was just trying to be nice. Every interview I've seen X give including the one with Merchant right after the fight which I have on tape he says that Tito never hurt him. I've even heard him say that Tito hits like his grandma. How can you say Tito never landed on X. He landed alot of punches too. There were alot of exchanges in the fight but X won every one of them. Tito went down fighting to the end. Look man I'm not a Tito hater. I love Tito but I have seen him ruin Joppy, Vargas, and Reid and all have said that they have never been hit like that before and they all cant take any punches now. Then after what X made him do with the gloves you just have to wonder

Tyson was basicaly washed up when he faught Holy. He never hurt any of the top guys he faught after prison. You think no one else was prepared for Tito besides X

No, not like hopkins was. He had the perfect gameplan. He out smarted Trinidad.

No, not like hopkins was. He had the perfect gameplan. He out smarted Trinidad.
All that is true but I'm talking just about the power of Tito's punches

No, not like hopkins was. He had the perfect gameplan. He out smarted Trinidad.
It's like Tyson said. Everyone has a plan until they get hit

Wov if you hate a fighter you will make up any reason to discredit him. I guess next will be: " why Tito hits so hard with such a slim build"
But back to the subject. Technically you can wrap your hands in some way that will make them very hard. I recall they used to put them in a cold water for some time so they will literally freeze. But dont you ever think that referies and comission also know all the dirty tricks that fighter can use and check for it. And in my opinion Tito was just lain scared of Hopkins when he fought him

Wov if you hate a fighter you will make up any reason to discredit him. I guess next will be: " why Tito hits so hard with such a slim build"
But back to the subject. Technically you can wrap your hands in some way that will make them very hard. I recall they used to put them in a cold water for some time so they will literally freeze. But dont you ever think that referies and comission also know all the dirty tricks that fighter can use and check for it. And in my opinion Tito was just lain scared of Hopkins when he fought him
What are you talking about me hateing Tito? Tito is one of my favorite fighters. I dont think he's cheating but I also an not 100% sure either.

Ok my fault than. :) It just sounded so much like a start of a new hate thread that will go on for long.

Wov if you hate a fighter you will make up any reason to discredit him. I guess next will be: " why Tito hits so hard with such a slim build"
But back to the subject. Technically you can wrap your hands in some way that will make them very hard. I recall they used to put them in a cold water for some time so they will literally freeze. But dont you ever think that referies and comission also know all the dirty tricks that fighter can use and check for it. And in my opinion Tito was just lain scared of Hopkins when he fought him

Trinidad scared? That is definitely not the reason. Hopkins was very versatile that night and made adjustments to control the fight. Trinidad was not the same that night anyway. Hopkins was the better man, plain and simple. Don't say that Trinidad was scared because he never ducked anyone and you should also check the fight and tell me who was the one moving from the ropes as soon as his back touched them because he knew it was the danger zone.

Trinidad scared? That is definitely not the reason. Hopkins was very versatile that night and made adjustments to control the fight. Trinidad was not the same that night anyway. Hopkins was the better man, plain and simple. Don't say that Trinidad was scared because he never ducked anyone and you should also check the fight and tell me who was the one moving from the ropes as soon as his back touched them because he knew it was the danger zone.
That's my point. Just like you said Tito wasnt the same. I dont think he wouldve won anyway because I just dont think he's better then X but there was something different about Tito. Dude had no confidence. It was like the first time he hit X he knew he didnt have it and it just makes me wonder

http://www.braggingrightscorner.com/titoinwraps.jpg http://www.braggingrightscorner.com/titobeltshigh.jpg
"If Tito and his father were trying to cheat
don't you think he'd cut the tape and everything off?"

Well even if its not defined technically as 'power' it gives you extra hardness which causes punches to hurt more than they normally would. Imagine if he had brass knuckles on, it wouldnt give you more power, but each punch would bloody hurt wouldnt it?
correct, just as a new study found out that hitting with boxing gloves has a greater chance to casue brain damage than without gloves

first i think the handwrapping arguments are b.s. how can someone get away with illegally wrapping their for 10+ years. joppy has to make excuses for the way he just got knocked around in that fight. same with vargas' fans. people make the argument of "how come hopkins wasnt knocked around like vargas and joppy were?" . well that is obvious, hopkins didnt come into the fight looking to trade with his hands down. he moved well and did a great job of staying away from trinidads main weapon, the left hook all night by constantly circling left and not letting tito plant his feet and unload. hopkins also has a better chin than either one of them do. one punch at a time isnt going to ko hopkins and thats the most hopkins ever allowed tito to get at any time in the fight

It's funny how Joppy cries about this EVERY single moment he gets on media time. He was blitzed and it was clearly an equivalent to a lobotamy.

I just wanted to point out to the people 'OMG as if he could get away with cheating all this time' that the same could be said for the number of olympic athletes that have been caught lately. They got away with it for years, and no-one was the wiser. Sure they got busted, but you think theres still 10:1 athletes that still havent been caught?

My point being, I think you are naive to think that just because they havent been caught, doesnt mean they are people who arent illegally wrapping/cheating. I am not implicating Tito in this whatsoever, the only way to know is to physically check his wrapping before and after every fight - something none of us are going to do are we?

But by all means.. continue speculating :)

joppys greatest hits :D

http://www.*********.com/1photos/hopkins_joppy4.jpg


http://www.profiboksz.hu/genesis/nagyito/tito.jpg

How can they "cheat?"
When the gloves are wrapped, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't their a member from both the Athletic Commission and opposing boxer's team overlooking the whole process of having the fighter's hand wrapped?
The Athletic Commission signs off on the gloves after it is wrapped, so unless there is some sort of collusion or corruption going on, plus in addition to the fact that a member from the other fighter's team watching the whole process, it would be hard for them to "cheat."
Now you can throw in the possibilities that the member from the AC may be a rookie on the job or the trainer wraps a few extra rounds on the knuckles unnoticed; endless possibilities.

I stand firm on my opinion that this issue is.....inconclusive.

he uses his elbows alot too

joppys greatest hits :D

http://www.*********.com/1photos/hopkins_joppy4.jpg


http://www.profiboksz.hu/genesis/nagyito/tito.jpg

Look at that grill...Seems like 500 bees stung him simultaneously. :eek:

Tito has power regardless of the way his hands are wrapped. That being said, if they were wrapped illeagally...(tape across the knuckles)...then it would definetly make your punch more solid, leading to harder and faster knockouts.

Hopkins was just playing mind games with trinidad and it was in ring magazine that hopkins only got hit with one good left hook and he said it did hurt.

Hopkins was just playing mind games with trinidad and it was in ring magazine that hopkins only got hit with one good left hook and he said it did hurt.

Do you know where I could find that article on the net now?

Sounds like a whole bunch of sour grapes to me.


I reckon it's just because Tito is one of the biggest punchers of our generation.

Black

correct, just as a new study found out that hitting with boxing gloves has a greater chance to casue brain damage than without gloves
really? what study was this

I guess it's because the head will take a steadier pounding over a sustained period.

Bare knuckle would mean an instant KO, so less punishment.

Black

That has to be the most ignorant thing I have ever heard anyone say. A bowling ball probably ways 50X more than hand wraps. Changing the way someone wraps there hands is not gonna add an extra 10 pounds to thier hands.
okay, maybe the bowling ball is an extreme analogy. let me use another one. if you hit someone with your bare fist versus if you hit someone with a cast on, which would cause more damage? obviously the cast! that's the same principle as the bowling ball glove example

I guess it's because the head will take a steadier pounding over a sustained period.

Bare knuckle would mean an instant KO, so less punishment.

Black
why does bare knuckle lead to an instant KO versus gloved? gloved can cause an instant KO too. and gloved allows you to punch harder cuz your hands don't hurt as much when you hit the other guy (or girl)

Yeah, but bare knuckle would GENERALLY allow for shorter bouts. Although you can get KO's with gloves on, I'd imagine there's more chance with bare knuckles...and the shorter fights are the less chance there is of damage to the brain.

Just my opinion anyway, I'm no medical expert!

Black

I really don't see how anyone can say Trinidad cheats. That's just rediculous in my opinion.

You can't fight bare knuckles due to the fact that the skin around your knuckles will explode after a few punches thrown and landed.

if it is a known fact that the manner in which you wrap aboxers hands add to the punching power then is it legal? If it is why isnt everybody else doing it. if it isnt legal why do they let him do it?

really? what study was this
this one guy post it up here once about a week or so ago,when I find it I'll try to PM it to you

I have been in several boxing forums over the years, & I think one of the things that really keeps me intereseted in this one is....

THE FACT THAT SOME OF THE DUMBEST PEOPLE ONE COULD ENCOUNTER, POST IN HERE.

Seriously....so many of you believe the dumbest things, or make things up.....& then roll with it.

How many more times can you hear EXPERTS refute this theory of Tito's "illegal" wraps ?


My God, some of you should keep your opinions to yourselves !

I have been in several boxing forums over the years, & I think one of the things that really keeps me intereseted in this one is....

THE FACT THAT SOME OF THE DUMBEST PEOPLE ONE COULD ENCOUNTER, POST IN HERE.

Seriously....so many of you believe the dumbest things, or make things up.....& then roll with it.

How many more times can you hear EXPERTS refute this theory of Tito's "illegal" wraps ?


My God, some of you should keep your opinions to yourselves !

All i have to say is thank you.

Who Cares?

trinidad doesent cheat i think after seeing that fight that hes just a very hard hitter

There is nothing wrong with the way he wraps his hands. You can say what you want about the pushing-off, elbows, low blows, and set-up left wooks with the forearms, but his hands were never illegally wrapped.

There is a member of the state athletic commission and a rep from the other fighter's crew watching the wrapping so that nothing illegal happens. Give it a rest.

Also, the claim was that they used two layers of gauze instead of one. How does adding more padding help you hit harder?

At Trinidad simply very strong and, the most important, exact impact...!

If this is about joppy

that is ridiculous


Nobody told Joppy to stand with his hands down, and he got what he had coming to him

tito cheats..bottom line...look at his post fight interviews..look at the thickness of those dam wraps

http://www.*************.com/gallery/assortment/4.jpg

Most wraps look huge when you make a fist. Stupid mother****er.

But according to your logic, Wrinky wright cheats too. :rolleyes: No wonder hes been Ko'ing his opponents left and right.

Have a good day.

winky doesnt ko ppl..numb nuts

UG, god I hope you were kidding.

When you get your hands wrapped, there is a guy standing there whos job is to watch you. So what you guys are saying is that the guys whos job is to watch the trainer wrap hands is letting Tito use more padding then is allowed?

I think the people talking about elbows and such have a better story.

http://www.*************.com/gallery/assortment/4.jpg

Most wraps look huge when you make a fist. Stupid mother****er.

But according to your logic, Wrinky wright cheats too. :rolleyes: No wonder hes been Ko'ing his opponents left and right.

Have a good day.
OMG, that is so funny. I was thinking of doing the same thing with a picture of Ivan Calderon's hands but now that you used Winky I'll settle for that.


winky doesnt ko ppl..numb nuts
Are you for real? He was being sarcastic. Winky's wraps look huge and he couldn't KO a poodle. Get it?

I really think people just say that to get a rise outta people. I mean if you look at the facts, there is no way that he could illegally wrap his hands even if he wanted to.