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bigdlb12
04-04-2005, 02:17 PM
When does Oscar plan to return to the ring? 147 lbs seems like a big step for him now, he looks pretty big. Just wondering if anyone has any info on this and also maybe knows who he might be facing when he returns. Will it be this year?

Super_Lightweight
04-04-2005, 02:26 PM
Actually the last time they showed him on HBO he looked better. I didn't notice a fat neck or one of those near "double-chins".

Maybe he is already dieting in anticipation of moving back to 147 lbs. He said middleweight was too much for him and welterweight would be where he likes to fight if he does fight again, so maybe retirement is an option he is considering as well.

If Oscar comes back I'd think he step right up to fight Judah, I forget what Oscar has said about his plans in more detail though. Someone'd have to steal one of those b-talk interviews.

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
04-04-2005, 02:48 PM
last time i saw him on FNF he looked chubby and was hiding his double chin behind a small beard. At first he had said september and on that show he said maybe 2006.

Zab Super Judah
04-04-2005, 03:08 PM
i dont think oscar can make 147 without hurting himself.....his frame is just to big for him to get to 147 and be healthy

abdiel2k3
04-04-2005, 03:13 PM
i dont think oscar can make 147 without hurting himself.....his frame is just to big for him to get to 147 and be healthy
he use to fight at 135
all be it along time ago tho
but i think his body has no problem making 147
when he was 160 he was fat n chubby
when he was 154 he cut but still had lil fleshyness
when hes at 147 hes at his best

+= El Jefe=+
04-04-2005, 03:14 PM
When does Oscar plan to return to the ring? 147 lbs seems like a big step for him now, he looks pretty big. Just wondering if anyone has any info on this and also maybe knows who he might be facing when he returns. Will it be this year?
he was good at 147
he can do good
they are talking about him possibly versing
Kostya.

Bombardier
04-04-2005, 03:14 PM
Oscar wanted to go down to 147 cause it seemed like an easy place to win titles. Spinks seemed beatable, Judah washed-up and troubled, while the young prospects still looked too green. Now Judah is champ again, Spinks was impressive in defeat, and Cintron and Margartio are tearing up the division. Oh, and Mosley's back at welter now as well. Oh, and PBF and Kostya are making noise about moving up. Suddenly, welter doesn't look so great.

{BrownBomber}
04-04-2005, 03:16 PM
i dont think oscar can make 147 without hurting himself.....his frame is just to big for him to get to 147 and be healthy
for zabs sake better pray he cant make 147.
he can whip anyone in that weight right now with one hand.

Super_Lightweight
04-04-2005, 03:17 PM
Oh, and Mosley's back at welter now as well. Oh, and PBF and Kostya are making noise about moving up. Suddenly, welter doesn't look so great.

Mosley lost his last fight vs Oscar, looks as washed up as anyone, and Zoo and PBF wouldn't scare Oscar off after sharing the ring with Quartey and Vargas.

Bombardier
04-04-2005, 03:20 PM
Mosley lost his last fight vs Oscar, looks as washed up as anyone, and Zoo and PBF wouldn't scare Oscar off after sharing the ring with Quartey and Vargas.

Win or lose Oscar did not impress either time against Mosley. Kostya may be getting old but a Vargas and Quartey are not PBF, and PBF would hit Oscar five times before he could scratch his double chin and wonder what just happened.

jack_the_rippuh
04-04-2005, 03:25 PM
i dont think oscar can make 147 without hurting himself.....his frame is just to big for him to get to 147 and be healthy

I'm going to have to disagree with you, because Oscar was only 155 at the Hopkins weigh in, if I'm not mistaken. I think he has what it takes to get back down to 147lbs. and I don't think his frame is too big to carry that weight. He said September is his month. I really don't know why he wants to only fight once a year after coming off of a loss. He should've have done like Morales and be eager to get back into the ring following a loss, but hey...I guess it's because he's Oscar De La Hoya and people will pay to see him no matter what..

SacTown1
04-04-2005, 03:27 PM
for zabs sake better pray he cant make 147.
he can whip anyone in that weight right now with one hand.
Good call, I think Oscar could dominate any 147 lb'er right now, Zab is the king and I've always liked his skills, but Oscar is much bigger physically than Zab, and he'd hurt Judah with every landed punch....I wouldn't be shocked if Oscar tries to do 2 PPV's like he did with Hopkins, where they co-headline a PPV to set up a showdown a few months later, I think this is the only way that Don King and GBP can work out a deal that satisfies both sides....I'd take Oscar by UD if the fight goes down

abdiel2k3
04-04-2005, 03:29 PM
I'm going to have to disagree with you, because Oscar was only 155 at the Hopkins weigh in, if I'm not mistaken. I think he has what it takes to get back down to 147lbs. and I don't think his frame is too big to carry that weight. He said September is his month. I really don't know why he wants to only fight once a year after coming off of a loss. He should've have done like Morales and be eager to get back into the ring following a loss, but hey...I guess it's because he's Oscar De La Hoya and people will pay to see him no matter what..
when he said Sept is his month i dont think he meant he only wants to fight on Septs
i think he meant when he fights on Septs those fights have to be special
like big or important
least thats whta i last rememebr hearing

jack_the_rippuh
04-04-2005, 03:30 PM
when he said Sept is his month i dont think he meant he only wants to fight on Septs
i think he meant when he fights on Septs those fights have to be special
like big or important
least thats whta i last rememebr hearing

Rich guys don't like fighting alot..

Super_Lightweight
04-04-2005, 03:32 PM
Oscar did too impress in both fights. In the 1st fight he showed his chin and willingness to trade. It was a good fight and an impressive effort, don't try to say otherwise.

In the 2nd fight he had Mosley looking confused most of the fight (although I say in part that is due to Mosley being past his prime).

PBF is so damn small compared to DLH. If DLH makes 147 he will not have a double chin. There is no way he could make that weight and have a double-chin. Floyd was shook by Chop Chop and Castillo...just imagine what DLH could do. And make no mistake about it, DLH could do it...if he is still able to make 147 and still has fire left.

PBF would have NO power to keep DLH off of him, and DLH is so much longer and stronger than PBF he might be able to outbox him on the outside.

If PBF beats DLH it will only be because DLH is past his prime and cannot make weight well, and who cares about that?

abdiel2k3
04-04-2005, 03:32 PM
Rich guys don't like fighting alot..
it aint about money jack
when your in the middle of the 6th of a fight,blood poorin from ur nose
so dont even go there Jack
money has nothin to do with it
"george in DLH-Vargas talkin to larry"

SacTown1
04-04-2005, 03:34 PM
Oscar did too impress in both fights. In the 1st fight he showed his chin and willingness to trade. It was a good fight and an impressive effort, don't try to say otherwise.

In the 2nd fight he had Mosley looking confused most of the fight (although I say in part that is due to Mosley being past his prime).

PBF is so damn small compared to DLH. If DLH makes 147 he will not have a double chin. There is no way he could make that weight and have a double-chin. Floyd was shook by Chop Chop and Castillo...just imagine what DLH could do. And make no mistake about it, DLH could do it...if he is still able to make 147 and still has fire left.

PBF would have NO power to keep DLH off of him, and DLH is so much longer and stronger than PBF he might be able to outbox him on the outside.

If PBF beats DLH it will only be because DLH is past his prime and cannot make weight well, and who cares about that?
Oscar and Floyd will never ever ever fight, there's no point in even arguing or discussing the match, don't hold your breath for Bowe-Lewis either buddy....hey maybe Aaron Pryor and Sugar Ray will finally throw down....

{BrownBomber}
04-04-2005, 03:35 PM
when he said Sept is his month i dont think he meant he only wants to fight on Septs
i think he meant when he fights on Septs those fights have to be special
like big or important
least thats whta i last rememebr hearing


what ever his month he needs to get back in the ring.
Im sure he is very busy doing everything he doing.
May and September are always good for Mexican fighters or for Mexicans to fight.

abdiel2k3
04-04-2005, 03:36 PM
what ever his month he needs to get back in the ring.
Im sure he is very busy doing everything he doing.
May and September are always good for Mexican fighters or for Mexicans to fight.
def
he needs to be fighten or atleast talkin about who hes gonna fight
but i was just sayin
if he does set a fight for sept
u can bet it wont be a tune up

jack_the_rippuh
04-04-2005, 03:42 PM
Oscar did too impress in both fights. In the 1st fight he showed his chin and willingness to trade. It was a good fight and an impressive effort, don't try to say otherwise.

In the 2nd fight he had Mosley looking confused most of the fight (although I say in part that is due to Mosley being past his prime).

PBF is so damn small compared to DLH. If DLH makes 147 he will not have a double chin. There is no way he could make that weight and have a double-chin. Floyd was shook by Chop Chop and Castillo...just imagine what DLH could do. And make no mistake about it, DLH could do it...if he is still able to make 147 and still has fire left.

PBF would have NO power to keep DLH off of him, and DLH is so much longer and stronger than PBF he might be able to outbox him on the outside.

If PBF beats DLH it will only be because DLH is past his prime and cannot make weight well, and who cares about that?

That says nothing. Him being naturally smaller sets all that stuff off. I think if De La Hoya beats Mayweather boxing fans would shrug about that victory simply because De La Hoya is the bigger, stronger fighter. Let's say they do end up fighting and De La Hoya gets beaten by Mayweather, I doubt people would say he was past his prime and stuff like that. That's just like saying if Roy Jones moved up to Heavyweight and beat Mike Tyson people would say it doesn't matter Mike Tyson was past his prime (and you know as well as I know that Tyson was past his prime when Roy wanted to fight him..)

abdiel2k3
04-04-2005, 03:44 PM
That says nothing. Him being naturally smaller sets all that stuff off. I think if De La Hoya beats Mayweather boxing fans would shrug about that victory simply because De La Hoya is the bigger, stronger fighter. Let's say they do end up fighting and De La Hoya gets beaten by Mayweather, I doubt people would say he was past his prime and stuff like that. That's just like saying if Roy Jones moved up to Heavyweight and beat Mike Tyson people would say it doesn't matter Mike Tyson was past his prime (and you know as well as I know that Tyson was past his prime when Roy wanted to fight him..)
sad but true
if DLH beat Floyd its only cu zhe was suppose to
like Hopkins and DLH he was suppsoe to win
if Floyd beat Oscar its cuz hes old and done
just liek had Oscar beat Hopkins it prolly woulda been cuz hopkins got old overnite
just how boxing goes

jack_the_rippuh
04-04-2005, 03:46 PM
No matter how you call it, if Mayweather beat Oscar it would add to his legacy and it would boost up his popularity.

Super_Lightweight
04-04-2005, 03:51 PM
Oscar and Floyd will never ever ever fight...I agree. However, someone tried to say DLH is afraid to come down to 147 because Floyd is there which is BS obviously.

Him being naturally smaller sets all that stuff off.

Not really. That depends on how DLH looks. If it is obvious he is way past his prime he will get money for the win but hardcore fans won't care that much. Just because you are small that doesn't give you credit for beating over-the-hill fighters. That's why anyone with sense don't give a S*** that Toney beat Holyfield.

What I'm telling you is, there is no way PBF will win unless DLH is significantly over the hill, just like there's little chance for Roy unless Tyson was far enough over the hill (which he was imo).

Kimmy
04-04-2005, 04:01 PM
No matter how you call it, if Mayweather beat Oscar it would add to his legacy and it would boost up his popularity.
Only if De La Hoya had done something at welterweight before hand. If Oscar beat Zab ( not an impossible notion ) and held the undisputed titles, then Floyd challenged him and beat him, one could not deny Floyd the credit for that!
If Oscar clowned around with one fight a year against a bum then fought and lost to Mayweather, then it would be open to question. Oscar has to prove himself again before he is considered an opponent for Mayweather at Welterweight!

-GBGQ-
04-04-2005, 06:14 PM
Did you just say that Oscar has to prove himself before he can be mentioned as an opponent for Floyd at Welter?

Who the hell is he fighting at 140? N'dou? Sosa? Corley? and worse BRUSELES?
Pretty Boy Floyd hasn't even fought the top guys at Jr. Welter!

Until Mayweather does something in his current division where there are some big names to add to his stellar career why even mention a move up to 147?

I was a huge fan of Floyd when he was taking on the Corrales's, Hernandez's, Chavez's, and the Castillo's of the world. He was fighting top guys and with the exception of a couple, almost making it look easy. But lately, all I hear is yapping from Floyd with no action.

I'd like to see Floyd get back to the old "Pretty Boy" and get back to fighting world-class competition. Till then...just shut up.

Kimmy
04-04-2005, 06:27 PM
Did you just say that Oscar has to prove himself before he can be mentioned as an opponent for Floyd at Welter?.
No, i said only if Oscar had a significant win under his belt could Floyd then claim bragging rights if he beat Oscar!

AintGottaClue
04-04-2005, 06:27 PM
running from sturm DLH is

Truth
04-04-2005, 06:28 PM
I don't think Oscar will fight this year, he seems more caught up in promoting than fighting.

Kimmy
04-04-2005, 06:30 PM
I don't think Oscar will fight this year, he seems more caught up in promoting than fighting.
If this is the case, Oscar should retire rather than fight for the wrong reasons!

Truth
04-04-2005, 06:36 PM
If this is the case, Oscar should retire rather than fight for the wrong reasons!

I agree if De La Hoya doesn't want to fight he shouldn't waste his health and time fighting.

bigdlb12
04-04-2005, 06:59 PM
No, i said only if Oscar had a significant win under his belt could Floyd then claim bragging rights if he beat Oscar!
no entiendo :confused:

Kimmy
04-04-2005, 07:53 PM
no entiendo :confused:
What i meant was that if Oscar beats a Zab Judah, it`ll add to his rep. He`s coming off a lose to Hopkins, he needs to win a meaningful fight before fighting Mayweather for Mayweather to get any credit should he win otherwise if Floyd wins people will say the promoter De La Hoya lost, the Promoter wasn`t interested in boxing only business. If De La Hoya beat a violent socio-path in Zab Judah then people can say, Floyd beat the champ, he beat De La Hoya, the undisputed champ of the welterweights. Rather than enter a fight with Floyd coming off a loss and this promotional company hanging over oscar`s head. It makes more sense to beat a violent Judah and then take on a Mayweather. Its in both fighters interest!

{BrownBomber}
04-04-2005, 08:42 PM
No matter how you call it, if Mayweather beat Oscar it would add to his legacy and it would boost up his popularity.
I know u said if but Mayweather cant beat I repeat cant beat Oscar. Oscar is way bigger and stronger and has enough speed to catch the quicker Mayweather. It would be a dream fight but I dont think it happens.

PopA
04-04-2005, 09:03 PM
Oscar over Floyd, but cause of mayweather snr it probably won't happen.

Alpha Male
04-04-2005, 09:06 PM
for zabs sake better pray he cant make 147.
he can whip anyone in that weight right now with one hand.

you are so right...lol

bigdlb12
04-05-2005, 12:26 PM
What i meant was that if Oscar beats a Zab Judah, it`ll add to his rep. He`s coming off a lose to Hopkins, he needs to win a meaningful fight before fighting Mayweather for Mayweather to get any credit should he win otherwise if Floyd wins people will say the promoter De La Hoya lost, the Promoter wasn`t interested in boxing only business. If De La Hoya beat a violent socio-path in Zab Judah then people can say, Floyd beat the champ, he beat De La Hoya, the undisputed champ of the welterweights. Rather than enter a fight with Floyd coming off a loss and this promotional company hanging over oscar`s head. It makes more sense to beat a violent Judah and then take on a Mayweather. Its in both fighters interest!
good point, sorry it took me a while to get, but yeah I honestly think DLH can beat both zab and PBF @ 147

Kimmy
04-05-2005, 12:52 PM
good point, sorry it took me a while to get, but yeah I honestly think DLH can beat both zab and PBF @ 147
So do i...........

RwK
04-05-2005, 01:18 PM
IMO. The only reason people are saying DLH would beat Floyd: is to find another scapegoat. DLH would look silly in the ring with him as far as I am concerned. His outing against Pernell Whittaker was far from impressive; and I had him losing the fight easily, in a "Robbery". Floyd is faster, hits harder, and is equally as smart a fighter as Sweet Pea.
Lets not get trigger happy and start talking about Floyd losing a fight. When in the hell has he ever lost a fight. The only fight he lost IMO was against Castillo in their first outing, and he beat him fair and square in the rematch, by outboxing him. Remember one thing. I am a Castillo fan. But Floyd has proven his excellence as a fighter and will continue to be untested by anyone he faces.

How in the sam hell, is DLH going to drop all the weight, coming from 160, back to 147...and still have the speed? I dont see it happening. Floyd would make him look horrible, and beat him up for 12 rounds. DLH would be frustrated, and Mayweather would be jogging circles around the ring.

Lets also not forget 1 thing people: Floyd is in his prime, and DLH is FAR past his. It would be a cold day in hell if he were to beat Floyd at 147. PBF is talking about moving all the way up to 154: and I dont think that is ridiculous. Speculations run rampant throughout the PBF hating circle, but one thing is for sure. It is COMPLETE SPECULATION. How could you "Speculate" against the best fighter?

Reminds me of Grant/Lewis. People searching for a "New Hero" to dethrone the king himself.

bigdlb12
04-05-2005, 04:37 PM
lets put PBF in there vs a Mosley,Vargas,DLH,Tito and even Mayorga or Spink or zab, although I would put my money on PBF vs Zab or Spinks

-GBGQ-
04-05-2005, 11:47 PM
C'mon man! Floyd needs to get back to fighting top-level fighters at 140. Don't even utter the numbers 147 or 154. I really don't care. Floyd has a small frame, he would look small compared to the bigger welters and look like a midget (size wise) compared to any 154.

I'm not a Floyd hater, he is an AMAZING boxer, but he's not going to run circles around De La Hoya at any weight.

You need to get off Floyd's nuts and tell him to to fight somebody! He hasn't fought anyone worth while in like 2+ years! What happened to "big fight floyd"???? I wouldn't be surprised if after Gatti he goes after another two or three nobodies.

I guess it's more "what have you done for me lately". And with Floyd's last 4 fights it's less than nothing.