View Full Version : Roy Jones should try to change his style....


Truth
11-25-2004, 11:18 AM
Maybe if Roy changed his trainer to Emanuel Steward or Joe Goosen, they could try to fix some of his defensive flaws. I think the style Roy fights with is suited for people in there 20's. If he could change his style of fighting and keep his hands up maybe he could regain the glory of his past.
What do you think of this idea? should Roy change his trainer?
http://www.box-latino.com/Jones%20Roy%20Jr.jpg

drag0n_
11-25-2004, 11:23 AM
Nah IMO Roy is Roy, he wont change how he fights. He just wont be fighting again :)

jack_the_rippuh
11-25-2004, 12:54 PM
I think he has too much of an ego to change his style. Should he try to change his style and win, the fact of him changing his style will be the only thing talked about, none of the commentators will care about how good he looked. But if I could make the call for him, I'd change him to a style what is not only best suited for him defensively, but also comfortable..

rsl
11-25-2004, 02:11 PM
At this point it's all too late to "change" anything, I mean the thing that Roy needs to change are very fundamental I'm pretty sure that keeping your hands up, don't go backwards, and do not lean back is something that has been preached all throughout Roy Jones Jr.'s boxing career, going all the way back to his youth. He's not just gonna change by hiring the best trainer out there, with what he has conditioned himself to do for 20 plus years.

neils7147933
11-25-2004, 02:17 PM
Judging from his last two outings, it looks like he has switched to Emanuel Steward - he's getting the same advice Wlad is.

Neuraxis
11-25-2004, 02:24 PM
Judging from his last two outings, it looks like he has switched to Emanuel Steward - he's getting the same advice Wlad is.

Haha, that's why I've been saying they should both fight each other.

rsl
11-25-2004, 02:46 PM
What Roy Jones Jr. needs most is not a new trainer or change of style, but a huge set of balls, I think Tarver and Johnson stuffed it up so far up his insides he has lowered himself to "confronting" a 300 plus lb. twinkie eatin' rapper that would break a sweat just trying to throw a punch.

Bumpy Knuckles
11-25-2004, 03:22 PM
his problem is he's to old to be jumpin between theese weightclasses. i think cruiserweight would be good for him, or toney at heavy :p

triggerhappy
11-25-2004, 04:00 PM
all he needs to do is go down in wait and he will be fine

Sir_Jose
11-25-2004, 04:51 PM
Maybe if Roy changed his trainer to Emanuel Steward or Joe Goosen, they could try to fix some of his defensive flaws. I think the style Roy fights with is suited for people in there 20's. If he could change his style of fighting and keep his hands up maybe he could regain the glory of his past.
What do you think of this idea? should Roy change his trainer?
http://www.box-latino.com/Jones%20Roy%20Jr.jpg


he cant change his style. The guy is already in his late 30's and has never learned the fundamentals of the sport cause he never needed to.

Its not his style thats the problem its that he's getting old and time will ruin every fighter.

trinidadpr87
11-25-2004, 04:55 PM
he cant change his style. The guy is already in his late 30's and has never learned the fundamentals of the sport cause he never needed to.

Its not his style thats the problem its that he's getting old and time will ruin every fighter.
PERFECTLY SAID MAN.

simeraksou
11-25-2004, 07:02 PM
i think it's still possible for him to change styles. basically, he needs to practice keeping both hands up at all times and more side to side and upper body movement for defense. also, he doesn't move around the ring like he used to. maybe his legs aren't as good as they used to be. if so, then he should develop a way to stay in the center of the ring for as long as possible cuz whenever he's near the ropes that's when he gets into trouble

VPDJ
11-25-2004, 08:18 PM
Roy can change his style if he wanted too. It all depends on Roy.

outofit
11-25-2004, 08:41 PM
rjj is one of the most highly skilled fighters that ever lived, his style was developed with experience and hard work, and as his reputation shows he has perfected a style far beyond what anyone speaking here could contend. if it ain't broke...and i'm sure he is fully aware of what changes and influences he can benefit from he has had to part ways with his own father in his career for cripes sake. VPDJ hits the nail on the head, "can change his style if he wants to"

m00ks
11-25-2004, 08:56 PM
RJJ don't need to change squat. He said it so damn clearly, "If Roy really wanted to....". His style is what got him where he is today. If you aint got the will, you ain't gonna win. THAT is the problem.

The Fix
11-25-2004, 09:59 PM
jones needs to retire we dont need another holyfield.

xoalvinox
11-25-2004, 11:21 PM
Father time caught up with Roy. It's time to hang'em up.

xoalvinox
11-25-2004, 11:23 PM
jones needs to retire we dont need another holyfield.

In your avatar, who is Roy fighting?

The Fix
11-25-2004, 11:42 PM
In your avatar, who is Roy fighting?

vinny pazienza. great fight

Sir_Jose
11-25-2004, 11:44 PM
vinny pazienza. great fight


what a brave Roy Jones....beating up on a blownup Lightweight.

xoalvinox
11-25-2004, 11:51 PM
what a brave Roy Jones....beating up on a blownup Lightweight.

Vinny came out fighting. I remember him throwing hay-makers in the beginning of the first two rounds. Thereafter, Roy had him discouraged and just took/picked him apart.

Ivansmamma
11-26-2004, 04:18 AM
RJJ is nothing without speed and reflexes and that is the first thing a fighter losses with age. It's suprising he still had it in his mid thirties.

blackbelt2003
11-26-2004, 09:02 AM
I agree, Ivansmamma.

Roy was all about the speed, reflexes and conditioning...but now they're gone there's nothing.

Sugar Ray Robinson lost his speed and reflexes whilst he was a middleweight...but Ray had superb in-fighting and a rock chin to fall back on...Roy does not have this.


Black

Unstoppable1
11-26-2004, 10:32 AM
At this point it's all too late to "change" anything, I mean the thing that Roy needs to change are very fundamental I'm pretty sure that keeping your hands up, don't go backwards, and do not lean back is something that has been preached all throughout Roy Jones Jr.'s boxing career, going all the way back to his youth. He's not just gonna change by hiring the best trainer out there, with what he has conditioned himself to do for 20 plus years.
Roy doens't need to change his boxing style, he needs to change his profession, he just simply doesn't have it anymore. The doubt is written all over his face...But!!!!!!!!! I think that if he was to rededicate his self to the sport and do all the things you mentioned that he doesn't do we would be unbeatable at any weight...

blackbelt2003
11-26-2004, 10:44 AM
I think it's too late to change what he's done effortlessly for over 20 years.

Black

Moon
11-26-2004, 12:32 PM
Everybody agrees that Roy's reflexes are reduced, but this is not always The End for a first-tier fighter. However, Roy has also lost his legs, which means he's a target now for even those light-hitting guys.

Roy's defense has always been very simple ... don't get hit a lot. But, he's now getting hit a lot, and his brain will not recover from these two KO's.

Roy Jones Junior is DONE. He's now a hittable guy with a tender head. Roy won't take chances, which means trying to be defensive without good legs. That's a bad combination for any fighter, including the Great Late RJJ.

xoalvinox
11-26-2004, 12:33 PM
Put a fork in him, he is...done.

Dark Destroyer
11-26-2004, 12:40 PM
The thing i loved about Roy was that his style was individual and natural to him. Roy has always fought his own way and nobody elses way, his trainers could never get him to change how he fights because that is how is has been comfortable over the years and his record speaks for itself in that department. Once a style and a certain way of fighting is grounded into a fighters mind it's hard to learn any different.

xoalvinox
11-26-2004, 01:10 PM
The thing i loved about Roy was that his style was individual and natural to him. Roy has always fought his own way and nobody elses way, his trainers could never get him to change how he fights because that is how is has been comfortable over the years and his record speaks for itself in that department. Once a style and a certain way of fighting is grounded into a fighters mind it's hard to learn any different.

It's just too bad he never fought the best in his divisions while he was at his prime.

blackbelt2003
11-26-2004, 01:13 PM
What, you mean John Ruiz and Clinton Woods weren't the best?!?


Black

boxer2k5
11-26-2004, 01:30 PM
he shouldnt change his style jsut
work on some things
and he needs to go back to his old style
he never lsot when he used his speed and legs

work on his defense some more and set up some punches wiht a jab

Neuraxis
11-26-2004, 01:32 PM
What, you mean John Ruiz and Clinton Woods weren't the best?!?


Black

Is this a joke or not?

blackbelt2003
11-26-2004, 02:35 PM
No, I'm serious!

John Ruiz is the best heavyweight, and now Roy has lost, Clinton Woods will take over.


(of course it's a joke, bro! English humour...sorry!)


Black

Truth
11-26-2004, 04:13 PM
After watching Roy's last two fight I don't think he is completley shot, he just needs to make some adjustments. At 35 I think it would be better if he moved more and kept both his hands up.

blackbelt2003
11-26-2004, 04:19 PM
What makes you think he's not shot?

I didn't see ANY evidence of him being REMOTELY able to do the stuff he used to, and his chin and punch resistance are GONE (if they weren't there before).

Black

Truth
11-26-2004, 04:32 PM
I agree that he has lost alot of his speed and reflexes but I think he has a little bit of fight left in him that he could possibly come back after a few changes in his fight plan and style.

xoalvinox
11-26-2004, 04:33 PM
Only change he really needs to make is keeping his hands up at all times. Staying away from the ropes would help also.

bandito
11-26-2004, 04:35 PM
all he needs to do is go down in wait and he will be fine


ur dumb!! he can't go down!! he has too much muscle and is too big for super middle. he will be weak and dehydrated at 168. he is over with!!

by the way, tito is the man!!!

xoalvinox
11-26-2004, 05:30 PM
Poor Roy, he said he might even come back at 45 if the hunger returns. He talks about Holyfield in that he should retire, but here he is being a damn hypocrit(sp?).

aaalex
11-26-2004, 05:42 PM
I believe, that the Roy will return!
At him psychologically problems, instead of physical.
Therefore as soon as he will be ready to win, nobody will stand on his way...

aaalex
11-26-2004, 05:47 PM
I think, that the Roy should not pass in easier weight category.
It very much will affect his health!

gogan
11-26-2004, 08:03 PM
jones new technique should be retirment (period).

Moon
11-27-2004, 05:25 PM
After watching Roy's last two fight I don't think he is completley shot, he just needs to make some adjustments. At 35 I think it would be better if he moved more and kept both his hands up.

This is just plain nonsense.

If RJ could "move more", he would, but, he can't. His 35-year old legs are gone and that means he gets caught. Even with his "hands up" he can't be saved from his soft chin.

Moon
11-27-2004, 05:26 PM
jones new technique should be retirment (period).

Nuff said, end of this discussion. He's shot, by anybody's standard.

aaalex
11-27-2004, 06:12 PM
Legs here at anything!
At him the motivation was gone, that is the desire to aspire to something...

NemesisChylde
11-27-2004, 06:17 PM
You might be on to something there. If you've already been at the top, and been the best, what's the point in keeping on at it? More money? I think Roy probably has enough money, even with Ivan wiping out all his roosters again.

aaalex
11-27-2004, 07:25 PM
Interestingly, all will return RJ whether or not...?

simeraksou
11-27-2004, 08:40 PM
well, his legs aren't what they used to be and his motivation are gone. in his last fight, it seems that his punches are still quick and he still has nice combinations. i think he will return in 2005 for one last match or two. possibly one tune up bout then a bout against the winner of tarver-johnson?

Neuraxis
11-27-2004, 10:25 PM
It seems like he already changed his style. Recently he hasn't been acting inappropriately as an HBO commentator.

phallus
11-28-2004, 01:59 AM
The thing i loved about Roy was that his style was individual and natural to him. Roy has always fought his own way and nobody elses way, his trainers could never get him to change how he fights because that is how is has been comfortable over the years and his record speaks for itself in that department. Once a style and a certain way of fighting is grounded into a fighters mind it's hard to learn any different.


that is really beautiful Wez. There's an old saying that "things can only be what they are". Roy can't change his style, it's the only way he knows how to fight. i see stuff like this all the time, a boxer will get a new trainer, new trainer will try to make boxer into a different natural style than he is, it might work for a while when there;s no pressure, but i guarantee when the **** goes down he will go back to his natural style. If RJJ tries to use another style he'll get KTFO'd again and again, because he'll have to hestiate, think about what he's doing, instead of doing what comes natural. Stay home Roy, raise prize roosters, make rap records about Fat Joe leaning back, and work for HBO sitting next to BIg Geogre Foreman and the drunk Larry Merchant. Don't let pride make you another Holyfield

moochi
11-28-2004, 06:01 AM
he doesn't need to change his style.......he needs to quit.........he has been there and done that, and been there and done that........

he should get into coaching.......

freirui
11-28-2004, 07:40 AM
jones should retire.

gogan
11-29-2004, 09:09 PM
jones is at the point where he can retire a legacy who up until now didnt let himself box until he was braindead but if he continues he will end up just like ali.

gogan
11-29-2004, 09:10 PM
believe me, if your a fan of RJJ you dont want to see your champ a chump looking like a vegtibal