It occurs to me that so many people label fighters a bum after one loss or a subpar performance (as if boxers haven't had off days since the inception of boxing).

Why should one expect their friends to get into boxing when so many fans of boxing degrade the sport themselves by calling every top 10 fighter who isn't the Ring Champion a bum?

People should really think about what they are saying before they make a statement. Think about what effect your statement might have. "Think before you speak" is something everyone should learn in the 4th grade.

Obviously there are problems in boxing but I think one problem is the outright disrespect fans show towards fighters. The word "bum" is the worst thing you can call a boxer. I think anyone who has actually fought for real would be a lot less likely to use that term.

I am not referring to any boxer's BEHAVIOR. That is NOT the issue. I am simply talking about their in-ring skills. What person has the authority to call any fighter a "bum"...much less a top 10 fighter?

It's pretty ridiculous to call guys like Tito Trinidad, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones, James Toney, and Dariusz Michalczewski "bums". If one must use that term, perhaps they should use it for a fighter like Rydell Booker or Gerald Nobles, instead of insulting the sport itself by labeling its top fighters with that term.

Most professional boxers have to fight to feed their kids or families and may not have the skills to do much else. Perhaps people should think about that before they call them a "bum".

I think a lot of the fans are quickly approaching "bum" status. I don't call Tarver a "bum" because he waxed RJJ. I don't call RJJ a "bum" because he lost. I don't call Tito a "bum" because Hopkins dominated him. I don't call Mayorga a "bum" because Tito whacked him.

If hatred, jealousy, racism, nationalism, or dumb fans blind someone to the point that they call top 10 fighters "bums", or any fighters for that matter, maybe they are a "bum" themself.

Ohh, I agree man!... The word "BUM" is used so much these day's! and VERY injustly.

I alway's understood a BUM to be a fighter that (eg.) record of 9-89-2 (2KO's) and turns up expecting to lose.

He's the classic term of a prize fighter and fights for money.

He's only doing it for the money... Get's picked to pieces by young skillfull up and comers!... He's usually building a house and using the extra $1,500 for the fight towards that.

A better word than "BUM" to use is "JOURNYMEN".

martinwbc.

Ohh... But, most successfull journymen know what they're doing, and can usually stretch out a points decsion.

If you get knocked out, your boxing liscence get revoked untill you get the all clear from the doctors that allows you to box again.

If you are a journyman... You fight regulary, and can't afford to lose you liscence for that length of time.

People are idiots. They don't look at the big picture. Roy Jones dominated for 10+ years and loses twice and all people remember is that he lost to Tarver and Johnson. Just like Randy Moss, he is one of the best recievers in football but he'll drop a big pass and thats all people focus on.

People expected RJJ to be unstoppable

Arturo Gatti is still a bum compared to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Arturo Gatti is still a bum compared to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Wow talk about totally missing the point of the post. It'd be a shame fo you if Gatti KO'd Mayweather. Crazier things have happened (like Mayweather being knocked down by Famoso)..

His hands touched the canvas because he was in extreme pain. He hurt his hand during the fight and went down...If Gatti KOs Floyd Mayweather Jr. then Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a bum and Gatti is not. :)

Lightweight, expect karma from me...

I also hate when a fighter gets knocked down once in general and all of a sudden they have a glass chin and their career is over...

Over here in Limeyland bum is another word for bottom, or ass...

People need to consider the context of words. I throw the word bum around all the time when I talk about fighters I hate. Usually I'll qualify it if I need to.

The word bum, by me and others, is used relatively.

Relative to others at 140, Gatti IS a bum. A mediocre fighter, compared to good fighters, is a bum. A guy with a padded record is a bum.

Many words have many different meanings. The word love for example. I love Dr. Pepper...but I'm not going to marry him. I love girls' asses, but not the same way that I love animals. I love kids, but not the same way I would love a girlfriend. Etc. (yep, I'm opening myself up for plenty of jokes here, pick away)

I'm not about to change my calling Gatti a bum. Sorry, but a guy that twice lost to Ivan Robinson, lost to Manfredy, lost to King Solomon (who?), lost to Mickey Ward (a true bum), and struggled with Rodriguez does not deserve to be called a really good fighter. That isn't even a B level fighter. That's a C level fighter.

And if you have to sit there and argue about the use of the word bum, you obviously don't get it or just like to argue about stupid ****. Maybe these guys shouldn't get into boxing if they're not willing to take criticism. Cause know what? It doesn't matter how good you are, there will be people to criticise the hell out of you. You can't name one boxer that someone can't argue was overrated.

Marciano- overrated because he was strategically manuvered through his career. Only defended his title a couple choice times after winning it. Blah blah blah

Ali- overrated cause he struggled with Leon Spinks, a guy that was only 7-0 at the time.

Tyson- lost to Douglas, lost to Holyfield, Lewis, Danny Williams

etc etc...anybody can argue anybody was overrated

Relative to others at 140, Gatti IS a bum. A mediocre fighter, compared to good fighters, is a bum. A guy with a padded record is a bum.

It doesn't matter, it's still rude to use it. In any case, it is only your OPINION that Gatti isn't good at 140. Then again, he is ranked top 10 at 140 by Ring and the major belts, so how in the hell can he be a bum?

Simple answer...he is not. You don't have to disrepect a fighter to show how good another fighter is. If you have to stoop to that to prove your point, that's pretty pathetic.

And if you have to sit there and argue about the use of the word bum, you obviously don't get it or just like to argue about stupid ****. Maybe these guys shouldn't get into boxing if they're not willing to take criticism. Cause know what? It doesn't matter how good you are, there will be people to criticise the hell out of you. You can't name one boxer that someone can't argue was overrated.

The only thing that is obvious is people who throw that term around probably would not have the balls themselves to step into the ring, don't have very developed English skills, and have to revert to name-calling to make their point. Boxers take criticism all the time...maybe the fans should take some, or can YOU handle that? It appears not.

Ali- overrated cause he struggled with Leon Spinks, a guy that was only 7-0 at the time.

Anyone who makes that argument is a complete moron. Sure anyone can say anyone is overrated, but that doesn't make it true. I can say George Bush is an extraterrestrial, so what? Ali was 36 when he struggled with Spinks and had been fighting for 18 years.

You're just wrong. Gatti IS a bum. That isn't my opinion, it's fact. Prove to me otherwise. So the Ring says he's in the top 10 at 140? So what? That doesn't make him not a bum. And the Ring isn't the authority on everything in boxing. How about thinking for yourself rather than letting The Ring tell you how to think? The Ring also said Kostya Tszyu was still number 1 at 140 when he had been inactive for 2 years. So **** off, queer.

You're just wrong. Gatti IS a bum. That isn't my opinion, it's fact. Prove to me otherwise. So the Ring says he's in the top 10 at 140? So what? That doesn't make him not a bum. And the Ring isn't the authority on everything in boxing. How about thinking for yourself rather than letting The Ring tell you how to think? The Ring also said Kostya Tszyu was still number 1 at 140 when he had been inactive for 2 years. So **** off, queer.

Wow...need a Zanex? The Ring is much more an authority than you. I do think for myself, and box by the way, thanks for your concern.

Zoo came back and proved why he should have been kept number one by *****-slapping the guy everyone thought was number 1 in Zoo's absence.

Gatti lost 2 very close decisions with Robinson, one of which he might have won if he had not been deducted for a low blow. Also, Gatti lost on a cut to Manfredy who at the time was considered one of the best fighters in that weight-class. Gatti was on the winning end of multiple fights of the year. This doesn't make him great, because he is not great...he's simply NOT a bum, though, and that's my only point.

I do think for myself, and box by the way, thanks for your concern.

Ah, so we find out the REAL reason you hate the word "Bum." Its because you know you are one. Get over it, bum.

Or wait, where does the Ring rank you if you're not a bum, seeing how they're the authority. Oh you're not ranked by the Ring? They've never heard of you? Odd. That couldn't possibly make you a bum.

And you proved my point with your argument fool.

Anyone who makes that argument is a complete moron. Sure anyone can say anyone is overrated, but that doesn't make it true. I can say George Bush is an extraterrestrial, so what? Ali was 36 when he struggled with Spinks and had been fighting for 18 years.

Yeah no ****. At the same time, you can say Gatti isn't a bum, but it doesn't make that true. You've yet to prove me wrong, because you can't. Very close decisions? Umm...if that's what you call very close...okay. So what? It was ****ing Ivan Robinson. And he was down against Manfredy anyhow, hello?

And there's no way you can say Gatti is even as good as Mayweather, let alone better. So, as I have ****ing said, Gatti is a bum relative to Mayweather. You dumb ****.

Go jack off to your English skills MLA style book, fool.

Its weak to attack someone's english skills displayed on a message board as well. What? I'm supposed to edit everything, have it proofread and have grammar checks? Okay, I'll PM you every post I make prior to posting it, queer. It's a message board, get over it.

People need to consider the context of words. I throw the word bum around all the time when I talk about fighters I hate. Usually I'll qualify it if I need to.

The word bum, by me and others, is used relatively.

Relative to others at 140, Gatti IS a bum. A mediocre fighter, compared to good fighters, is a bum. A guy with a padded record is a bum.

Many words have many different meanings. The word love for example. I love Dr. Pepper...but I'm not going to marry him. I love girls' asses, but not the same way that I love animals. I love kids, but not the same way I would love a girlfriend. Etc. (yep, I'm opening myself up for plenty of jokes here, pick away)

I'm not about to change my calling Gatti a bum. Sorry, but a guy that twice lost to Ivan Robinson, lost to Manfredy, lost to King Solomon (who?), lost to Mickey Ward (a true bum), and struggled with Rodriguez does not deserve to be called a really good fighter. That isn't even a B level fighter. That's a C level fighter.

And if you have to sit there and argue about the use of the word bum, you obviously don't get it or just like to argue about stupid ****. Maybe these guys shouldn't get into boxing if they're not willing to take criticism. Cause know what? It doesn't matter how good you are, there will be people to criticise the hell out of you. You can't name one boxer that someone can't argue was overrated.

Marciano- overrated because he was strategically manuvered through his career. Only defended his title a couple choice times after winning it. Blah blah blah

Ali- overrated cause he struggled with Leon Spinks, a guy that was only 7-0 at the time.

Tyson- lost to Douglas, lost to Holyfield, Lewis, Danny Williams

etc etc...anybody can argue anybody was overrated


You're the Bum...You are SO ****in' stupid...yes, Tyson and Marciano may be overrated by the public..but underrated inside the boxing world, Ali did lose to a Leon Spinks, but exactly how old was Ali? VERY OLD! That Ali that fought Liston, Frazier, and Foreman would destroy Leon Spinks. Yes Gatti does have 6 losses, but that was in the past, ever since signing with buddy mcgirt, he has changed everythinng and become a way better fighter, the gatti today would beat all the people that beat him except De La Hoya who gave him a beating..and Gatti went through some big wars so i dunno how he's overrated

You're the closest thing to a bum this forum has to offer. Even Imnorw, who is a bigot with poor typing skills, has the decency to argue upfront with people he disagrees with on the forum. You, on the other hand, send negative karma and private derogatory comments like a little *****.

Also, for future reference, the Scott Baio stuff isn't entertaining or funny in the least.

dumb ****s, I didn't say I agreed with any of my arguments against guys being great. Tyson and Ali are two of my favorite fighters of all time. I don't like Marciano but can't deny that he wasn't a good fighter.

My point is that there isn't a fighter alive that someone can't argue against. I was repeating arguments i've seen on THESE VERY FORUMS from other users before.

Re-read what I wrote, more carefully this time you ****ing hick.

You can't name one boxer that someone can't argue was overrated.

Marciano- overrated because he was strategically manuvered through his career. Only defended his title a couple choice times after winning it. Blah blah blah

Ali- overrated cause he struggled with Leon Spinks, a guy that was only 7-0 at the time.

Tyson- lost to Douglas, lost to Holyfield, Lewis, Danny Williams

etc etc...[B]anybody[I] can argue anybody was overrated

Ah, so we find out the REAL reason you hate the word "Bum." Its because you know you are one. Get over it, bum. And you proved my point with your argument fool.


LOL...ok? Why would they rank me, I haven't even fought at the pro level. Even so, I'm capable of handling myself with pro fighters. So much for "proving your point". :)


And there's no way you can say Gatti is even as good as Mayweather, let alone better. So, as I have ****ing said, Gatti is a bum relative to Mayweather. You dumb ****.

I never said Gatti was as good as Mayweather. I have simply said that Gatti is not a bum, and does not deserved to be called that, and you are pretty limited in more ways than one if you cannot compare Gatti and Mayweather without using the term bum. It's about politeness, respect for a fighter, and true understanding of the sport. You make it sound like Gatti got obliterated by no-name fighters who have losing records.

You are the one who asserts that Gatti is a bum, and apparently you are arguing that someone can legitimately say Ali is overrated due to his struggles vs Spinks (still scratching my head over that one).

Here: :bottle:

Kid Achillies you're one of the biggest ******s to ever join Boxing Scene. I don't give a **** about anything you have to say because every single post I've ever read from you has proven nothing to me except that you're not a real boxing fan. You're just a little San Francisco queer boy that likes starting **** for no reason.

Why do you even bother posting you ****ing leech? Go to Easside Boxing where you undoubtedly must've came from.

Super lightweight, before you try attacking me with your lame ass "learn english skills" bull****, how about you learn how to read first. I have, NUMEROUS ****ING TIMES, explained in full bloody ****ing detail for you ****suckers why Gatti is a bum and why Mayweather is not. Learn to ****ing read what I have typed in the first place.

It should be ****ing obvious anyhow why Gatti is a bum. What is pathetic is for some ****sucker like you trying to defend Gatti. You deserve to be called names for being so stupid. Call names back if you want, don't if you don't, I don't really give a ****. You get too hung up on that too.

Whatever you want to say about Gatti, the point is that he hasn't really beaten anybody that good. Gabe Ruelas is probably his biggest win. And know what? He struggled with ****ty people. People constantly like naming ****ing Wilson Rodriguez as a good opponent of Gatti's. My ****ing ass. Same with Patterson. They were both padded ass record ****ers who weren't ****.

And please explain to me how Gatti is good because he lost to everyone he lost to. Explain how that made him good. Point is, he lost to them. No matter how close he was, he lost. If the cut hadn't been opened he MIGHT have beat Manfredy? That's questionable anyhow. He already had a knockdown against him and Manfredy was doing at least as well as Gatti and I don't think Gatti was going to be stopping Manfredy at that point, so it would've probably gone decision and Manfredy would've probably got the nod. Besides, who was the one with the cut? And who gave him that cut from a punch? He lost legitimately.

:boxing:

Alright, dude, seriously...you need some meds. I have no desire to call you names, only to debate boxing but without acting like a kid. Gatti is not a bum, and he is not a great fighter either. That's my stance and I'm tired of telling you why because your perspective is very close-minded and cannot be altered by any evidence. "Bum" is the worst thing any fighter can be, and Gatti is no "bum". He's had enough success to not be called that. If you cannot admit that, I feel sorry for you.

Half the points I offered to you, you could not even defend. Wake up.

:bottle:

People are idiots. They don't look at the big picture. Roy Jones dominated for 10+ years and loses twice and all people remember is that he lost to Tarver and Johnson. Just like Randy Moss, he is one of the best recievers in football but he'll drop a big pass and thats all people focus on.
he fought against nobodies and lost to nobodies ;)

Lot of love in the house... I thought the forum was past all the infantile smack that it descended to around the start of the year? It's been a pleasure to post here lately.

MD... you seem to have half a brain yet squander it with these playgrounds insults... do we really need the homophobic remarks?


Comedy Classic: Charles In Charge?

When I began reading this thread I was surprised to see somebody stepping up having the backs of the fighters. Superlightweight stood up and basicaly said, Hey man, give these guys the credit that they deserve. And then like always, people started throwing ****!

Gatti, is in no way a bum. He might not be the best fighter in the world but he comes to fight and comes to win. It makes me sick to think that people would write that he is a bum. They guy wins probably 85-90% of his bouts, that is not a bum.

Masterdirector, while we have seen eye to eye on certain things, we are no where close on this one. You throw more **** in a day than a toddler can pull from his diaper and sling acrossed a living room wall. You have very strong opinions and a very classless way of getting them acrossed. Battering and slandering the people on this forum has nothing to do with intelligence or of having class. And IF you are really a boxer your trainer would have told you and taught you to show some people a little respect. If you walked into my gym acting the way that you do I would line you up with the meanest mofo I could find and let him beat some respect into you. But this is all just my opinion.

Superlightweight, great thoughts with this thread. I commend you for standing for the fighters when the talking is done always behind their backs with no chance of responding. Good man and karma for you!!!!.............Rockin'

Gatti, is in no way a bum. He might not be the best fighter in the world but he comes to fight and comes to win. It makes me sick to think that people would write that he is a bum. They guy wins probably 85-90% of his bouts, that is not a bum.

i agree. cheers bro!

I'm not a boxer, never claimed to be one, never want to be one.

Again, nobody ****ing reads what I typed. Bum is a relative term, period. Is Gatti a bum compared to Reggie Strickland? No. But I don't typically talk about Strickland. I usually talk in terms of fighters that I like. Compared to Mayweather, as I've ****ing said 800000000 ****ing times today alone, Gatti is a ****ing bum, period. Gatti sucks ****. He's ****ty. Yes, compared to Mayweather, Gatti sucks donkey balls and slurps up all that magical cum and flies to Neverland Ranch to be Michael Jackson's *****.

Compared to say...Bobby Geipert, Gatti is ****ing Muhammad Ali and isn't a bum.

Gatti should be commended for the things he's done? Sure. Point those things out. Nobody has pointed out anything commendable Gatti has done. 85-90 percent win record? So the hell what Rockin? Joe Mesi is undefeated. That doesn't prove anything.

So come on people, name all the GOOD fighters Gatti has beat. I've already done it for you. Ruelas and like Millet and that's about it. Then look at the people he's lost to. And who he has struggled in beating. There's no reason why anybody truly good should be struggling with Mickey Ward or especially Wilson Rodriguez.

And anybody good would be able to make weight against Joey Gamache and not cheat at the weigh in. But I guess that is OK that Gatti weighed over 140 against a ****ty fighter that doesn't matter like Gamache and ends up ending his career. Yeah, that's ****ing commendable. Gatti's not a bum. That's disgraceful calling a guy of such great character a bum. Give me a break.

Let's say I won't be the least bit sad if Gatti fights a guy that weighs 20 lbs above him and puts him in the hospital. He'd be deserving of the same he did to Gamache.

I would not consider fighter a bum who is in top ten or even top fifteen. I would not defintely consider most of the journeymen a bum. IMO bum is a fighter that kept loosing even to the worst of the opposition and lose terribly. Also Gatti for ex. was able to turn his career and while I do not consider him a great fighter nor do I give him much of a chance against PBF he is no bum. The guy makes so much money he could buy your house, your wife and your children and use them as a punching bags. Also remember that using word "bum" is extremely rude and while calling any other athlete a "bum" might be ok remember that fighters can beat you so badly you gonna be in a worse shape than Terry Schiavo.

If you walked into my gym acting the way that you do I would line you up with the meanest mofo I could find and let him beat some respect into you. But this is all just my opinion.

.............Rockin'
Kronk was always a very classy place.

I'm not a boxer, never claimed to be one, never want to be one.

Again, nobody ****ing reads what I typed. Bum is a relative term, period. Is Gatti a bum compared to Reggie Strickland? No. But I don't typically talk about Strickland. I usually talk in terms of fighters that I like. Compared to Mayweather, as I've ****ing said 800000000 ****ing times today alone, Gatti is a ****ing bum, period. Gatti sucks ****. He's ****ty. Yes, compared to Mayweather, Gatti sucks donkey balls and slurps up all that magical cum and flies to Neverland Ranch to be Michael Jackson's *****.

Compared to say...Bobby Geipert, Gatti is ****ing Muhammad Ali and isn't a bum.

Gatti should be commended for the things he's done? Sure. Point those things out. Nobody has pointed out anything commendable Gatti has done. 85-90 percent win record? So the hell what Rockin? Joe Mesi is undefeated. That doesn't prove anything.

So come on people, name all the GOOD fighters Gatti has beat. I've already done it for you. Ruelas and like Millet and that's about it. Then look at the people he's lost to. And who he has struggled in beating. There's no reason why anybody truly good should be struggling with Mickey Ward or especially Wilson Rodriguez.

And anybody good would be able to make weight against Joey Gamache and not cheat at the weigh in. But I guess that is OK that Gatti weighed over 140 against a ****ty fighter that doesn't matter like Gamache and ends up ending his career. Yeah, that's ****ing commendable. Gatti's not a bum. That's disgraceful calling a guy of such great character a bum. Give me a break.

Let's say I won't be the least bit sad if Gatti fights a guy that weighs 20 lbs above him and puts him in the hospital. He'd be deserving of the same he did to Gamache.

I read what ur saying and what ur tryin to say. Gatti in his past did not have such a successful career, but ever since bein partners with Buddy McGirt, he's looking to change that. Come June 25 and you'll see. I think he will beat PBF and he would destroy Cotto, who he would not beat is Kostya Tszyu and Vivian Harris.

Ya know masterdirector, I used to be amused with your wit. You are obviously a person with a descent i.q. and a funny sense of humor at times. But to say that Gatti sucks donkey balls? Dude, if Gatti was any where close to you, you would not speak like that about him. #1 because you know that it is not true and #2 because he wouldnt fly you to no ranch to make you his *****, he would do it on the spot.

My apologies for suggesting that you have ever had the gloves on. You see, because that is where you really learn the sport. You can watch your television and read all of the aticles that you can find and you still wont know ****. 99% of the people on this forum understand more than you do, I am not knocking them because they have never fought, they debate as observers and lovers of the sport. But I am knocking you for the way that you think you know it all. Plain and simple you crossed a line that is very real to me. And let me be the first inline to tell you that you dont know ****!!!!!!!!!. You are intelligent, that is obvious. You are proper in your speech as well. But the garbage that falls from your mouth leaves me to wonder...............Rockin' :boxing:

Cotto vs. Gatti would be interesting, though I'd take Cotto b/c I think Cotto has a little more boxing ability. He struggled a bit much with Corley, but Corley is a good bit better boxer than Gatti. It'd all depend upon Cotto's chin for him to beat Gatti. If Corley had him in trouble...lol, Gatti would really have him reeling.

Then again, Cotto knocked out rugged Victoriano Sosa in what like 3 or 4.

Floyd is way too slick for Gatti or Tszyu. Tszyu is definitely 2nd best at 140. I don't understand all the Harris hype. He's only beat Hurtado and Urkal. Hurtado was clearly shot already and Urkal well...I mean, it wasn't like Urkal was super great, more of a gate-keeper type anyhow I thought. Not saying Harris isn't one of the top 5. I think he is, and I like him, but I'm just intrigued by the Harris fans.

Sure wish they would've showed his Urkal fights in the States.

From what I've seen, I've been more impressed with Witter than Harris. I think either would beat Hatton. Hatton's only real weapon is his relentless aggression. It'll be fun watching him get hit by Tszyu. See how aggressive Hatton stays...or doesn't.

Ya know masterdirector, I used to be amused with your wit. You are obviously a person with a descent i.q. and a funny sense of humor at times. But to say that Gatti sucks donkey balls? Dude, if Gatti was any where close to you, you would not speak like that about him. #1 because you know that it is not true and #2 because he wouldnt fly you to no ranch to make you his *****, he would do it on the spot.

My apologies for suggesting that you have ever had the gloves on. You see, because that is where you really learn the sport. You can watch your television and read all of the aticles that you can find and you still wont know ****. 99% of the people on this forum understand more than you do, I am not knocking them because they have never fought, they debate as observers and lovers of the sport. But I am knocking you for the way that you think you know it all. Plain and simple you crossed a line that is very real to me. And let me be the first inline to tell you that you dont know ****!!!!!!!!!. You are intelligent, that is obvious. You are proper in your speech as well. But the garbage that falls from your mouth leaves me to wonder...............Rockin' :boxing:

Ya people like that are stupid

Rock come in chat

People get way too ****ing gay about people cussing and such. Get over it. Yeah Rockin clearly we don't see eye to eye. I know more than most on this board and I back up most of what I say with strong evidence, more than most on this board. So...bye.

Just because someone boxes doesn't mean they know the sport better than someone that doesn't. That's ridiculous. I've been to a gym and I promise you that I knew more than everyone in that gym except Billy Mitchem, the owner. He was a guy that got knocked out by Jones in 3 rounds. Everyone else in there boxed, but none of them followed the sport as closely as me. Guys in there didn't even know Manny Pacquaio and barely knew Morales.

Kronk was always a very classy place.


Brooklyn Bomber,

Kronk is not the gym that I am working out of right now. My gym is very low key and a good place for my boy to relax and learn. We will be going back to kronk in a month or 2.

IF master director talked that **** at my gym they would just throw him out. If he talked that **** down at Kronk Bam would come alive. "WE GOT FRESH MEAT HERE, THE FRESH MEAT NEEDS SOME GLOVES AND A HEADGEAR!!!!! And then theyd send Marlon or somebody to work himover to see if he can back up anything that he says. Balled up in a corner and on the canvas, the masterdirector would find that his mouth is his worst enemy. The only thing is that after Marlon made you his ***** in the ring he would still have more respect for you than to say that you suck donkey balls and slurp the cum.... .........Rockin :boxing:

Just because someone boxes doesn't mean they know the sport better than someone that doesn't. That's ridiculous. I've been to a gym and I promise you that I knew more than everyone in that gym except Billy Mitchem, the owner. He was a guy that got knocked out by Jones in 3 rounds. Everyone else in there boxed, but none of them followed the sport as closely as me. Guys in there didn't even know Manny Pacquaio and barely knew Morales.


Anybody can do research and read and watch movies. What we know about the sport you will never learn or be able to from your sources.............Rockin'

Brooklyn Bomber,

Kronk is not the gym that I am working out of right now. My gym is very low key and a good place for my boy to relax and learn. We will be going back to kronk in a month or 2.

IF master director talked that **** at my gym they would just throw him out. If he talked that **** down at Kronk Bam would come alive. "WE GOT FRESH MEAT HERE, THE FRESH MEAT NEEDS SOME GLOVES AND A HEADGEAR!!!!! And then theyd send Marlon or somebody to work himover to see if he can back up anything that he says. Balled up in a corner and on the canvas, the masterdirector would find that his mouth is his worst enemy. The only thing is that after Marlon made you his ***** in the ring he would still have more respect for you than to say that you suck donkey balls and slurp the cum.... Whats up now MD?............Rockin :boxing:

hahaha

I'm lookin forward to meetin Bam

Maybe they'd put him in with Octavio Lara, Ronald Hearns or Vivian Harris

I just wanted to say that as long as you dont box you dont know **** about boxing. if you just watch the sport and never lace up the gloves and put your head gear you cant really judge anybody who does. You might think that you know boxing because you watched some fights and read some articles in some magazines or overheard a conversation of two old veterans in a gym but in reality you dont know the hell of boxing and the heaven of boxing until you get in that ring with your hands high and your opponent in the other corner.
This was just a lyrical friendly reminder for some people who watch boxing and think they know the actual sweet science.

Director,

You're a riot. Someone confronts you for the loudmouth fool that you are and the only thing you can come up with is a prepared response: "your gay". You remind me of a cartoon character, Jimbo, from the Simpsons.

I'm still waiting for you to contribute something worthwhile to the thread. All you've done is rehash the same tired arguments. I don't think you have a single person who really understands where you're coming from. Now, I'm all for you being your own person and having an opinion but there's a point where you need to step back and take a look at yourself. I think you'd be embarassed if you saw what I see.

AS well some rather harsh remarks were made about Kid Achilles. This is one of the best guys that I have met on here, there are many, but with me he stands out as a good guy. Just wanted to add that...........Rockin'

Is any fighter in the world a bum? Has there ever been a bum in boxing history? Can you give me an example of a bum, based on what they do in the ring, not outside of the ring.

whatever, that's just typical and a flawed school of logic. It is what anybody trying to feel better and hide something about their sport wants to say. It is like saying you can't judge movies if you've never acted before, can't tell that Bellard was one of the worst baseball players ever unless you played baseball, etc. That is just stupid and I totally disagree with it.

And you guys act like it is odd that I would disagree with any opinion that isn't my own and that I'd think anybody's opinion other than my own opinion was more right than mine. No, if I thought your opinion on whatever was better than mine of the same subject, I would share that same opinion with you.

And you people get way too damn offended at insults. Do you really think I mean anything serious by it? Damn, ****, get over it. Throw insults back or don't, I don't care. I'm not offended just cause someone calls me an ******* or whatever. And if I am, **** it, I'll get over it. Who cares?

I'm stupid because I cuss apparently. I don't know english skills because I don't proofread and grammar check ever message before I post it. I would get my ass kicked by boxers because I'm not a boxer, which would somehow prove that they know more about boxing than me (which really makes tons of sense).

Okay, would a boxer who has been in there know more about executing technique? If they've learned it themselves to begin with, sure. But, to say that they know more about the sport itself, like who is more likely to win this match or that, who is better, who is worse, who is good, who sucks, etc. That's stupid. Only people who follow the sport closely can make educated guesses on that. If you don't know two fighters going against each other or anything about either guy, it is a mere guess if you choose one of them to win. You can be the best boxer in the world, but if you haven't watched for 10 years and don't know any current fighters, you're not going to know as much about today's boxing than someone who does keep up with it still.

And Rockin, you seem to believe that 99% of people on boxingscene have been in the gym and ring and have trained to be fighters or something. I think you're wrong there. I figure most people here have not been in there. And if they have, it still doesn't prove that they know more. That logic just doesn't make the sense that you think it does.

And Rockin, you seem to believe that 99% of people on boxingscene have been in the gym and ring and have trained to be fighters or something. I think you're wrong there. I figure most people here have not been in there. And if they have, it still doesn't prove that they know more. That logic just doesn't make the sense that you think it does.


As you like to say, read what I wrote again. And as for the 3 others pages of stuff that went with it, I say its bull****! Just plain bull**** trying to cover up the bull**** that fell from your mouth before. Sorry to be the one to give it to you like that but hey, it was all bull****!.......Rockin'

yeah whatever. Glad its people like you that I have to rely on to fix my sport. That means you'll not allow anybody with any ****ing sense come in and fix the sport just because they've never boxed. Kill your own sport, what do I care right?

Is any fighter in the world a bum? Has there ever been a bum in boxing history? Can you give me an example of a bum, based on what they do in the ring, not outside of the ring.

This is a bum:
http://www.klitschko.com/duels/boxers/photo/mike_acklie.jpg

And this is how bums fight:
http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1IFFM1HX87F0Y227Z7K4ZPSQO6

Kevin Kelley and Naseem Hamed were bums.

yeah whatever. Glad its people like you that I have to rely on to fix my sport. That means you'll not allow anybody with any ****ing sense come in and fix the sport just because they've never boxed. Kill your own sport, what do I care right?


I would say that it is more people like you that do damage to the sport amongst the common person. Spouting your highness about the bum that just won the world championship and the bum that they let fight for the title last month. I will do more for the sport than you will ever dream of. And what I do will be for the good of the sport, not the bad. A non boxer I would welcome to help our sport. But not when they walk in to the room degrading it with such a foul tounge as you.

You probably wouldnt be hurt if the sport died. You would then just begin to follow basketball or football claiming that every elite athelete in those games are bums as well.

I have spent over half of my life in this sport with 50 to follow. I hope. I referee, I train, I judge and I fought. Oh yeah, I watch tv and read what I can find aswell. I am inside the game giving props where it is due and trying to lift the spirits of the ones not due the props. You, are on the outside telling me that Gatti sucks donkey balls and that he is ****. Get real man. Reply to this post and I will read it. After that I will not look at this thread that you turned to garbage again.

One last thought, if you were to enter on the back side of the sport then they would probably require all of us to start taking cat scans to get registered in the sport after getting a load of you.........Rockin' :boxing:

Kevin Kelley and Naseem Hamed were world class fighters, period...........Rockin'

Kevin Kelley and Naseem Hamed were world class fighters, period...........Rockin'


Its an inside joke...read the fantasy fight section titled "Foreman vs. Naseem Hamed" to see just why I said that :D

Its an inside joke...read the fantasy fight section titled "Foreman vs. Naseem Hamed" to see just why I said that :D

Ok, ill do that...........Rockin'

(A little later) I still dont understand, but ok...........Rockin' :boxing:

Buster Douglas was a "bum"
he could have never beaten tyson
right???
o wait he did damn :p
well a bum is someone who stands no chance
and like alot of fighters have proven,
everyone has a chance to beat anyone else.

I would say that it is more people like you that do damage to the sport amongst the common person. Spouting your highness about the bum that just won the world championship and the bum that they let fight for the title last month. I will do more for the sport than you will ever dream of. And what I do will be for the good of the sport, not the bad. A non boxer I would welcome to help our sport. But not when they walk in to the room degrading it with such a foul tounge as you.

You probably wouldnt be hurt if the sport died. You would then just begin to follow basketball or football claiming that every elite athelete in those games are bums as well.

I have spent over half of my life in this sport with 50 to follow. I hope. I referee, I train, I judge and I fought. Oh yeah, I watch tv and read what I can find aswell. I am inside the game giving props where it is due and trying to lift the spirits of the ones not due the props. You, are on the outside telling me that Gatti sucks donkey balls and that he is ****. Get real man. Reply to this post and I will read it. After that I will not look at this thread that you turned to garbage again.

One last thought, if you were to enter on the back side of the sport then they would probably require all of us to start taking cat scans to get registered in the sport after getting a load of you.........Rockin' :boxing:

Yeah, Gatti is the best ****ing fighter ever ****sucker. I'm wrong for saying Gatti is ****ing **** when he is. You're ****ing gay and a ****ing loser. I can't believe I ever thought I'd be able to work with you on anything. You're the one being all ****** ass high and mighty with your bull**** "Non-boxers don't know **** about boxing" you ****ing **** sucking ******.

I've been holding back on you for a while now. You lift spirits? Whatever queer, you're gay. You don't show respect, you sit there and downplay anybody that isn't a boxer because you have this delusional belief that anybody that isn't doesn't know ****. So you're the one who drives the common fan away. I just tell the common fan the truth, that these fighters that HBO tries lying and telling them are good are not really good.

Arturo Gatti should NOT be the ****ing WBC champion you ****ing queer. You would want common fans to believe this bull**** apparently because you're no better than anybody else on the "inside." You know exactly what I meant, as did everyone, when I called Gatti a bum. But people want to get all ****ing gay and technical about the word bum. You, in particular, take it to the whole other side of the spectrum and claim that there is no such thing as a bum, because your ****** ass couldn't cut it, making you a huge ****ing bum, therefore you can't live with that and since you'll be a bum for the next 50 years of your God foresaken life, you want others to believe that whoever HBO says is good is good, end of story, bury your head in the ****ing sand, fans.

Well, I'm completely against that bull****. Gatti is a ****ing ***** ass loser who cheats to get by. He knows he doesn't deserve to be champion but he does everything he can to keep that belt. Watch when he has a coincidental "hand injury" or something similar before June 25th, postponing the fight. He's already ducked Judah, already ducked Mayweather back in January since the fight could've easily happened then.

And no, I'm not saying Gatti is scared of fighting Mayweather. He's scared of losing, period. He knows that once he fights Mayweather, chances are he'll lose royally. He'd be much more content to beat up on some poor sap like Joey Gamache, who I would call a bum but apparently you can't call Joey Gamache a bum because he wasn't THAT much worse than Caesar Chavez or Duran (my ass he wasn't).

Rockin you can **** off. :*******:

Director,

You're a douchebag. Plain and simple. Let's not be diplomatic anymore. You've had a few useful things to contribute but overall you behave like a scumbag. Your time is up, the game is old. No one gives a **** about what you have to say anymore.

By the way, using profanity doesn't make you sound hard. You just come across as sounding like what you are, and if you don't know what that is, reread my first sentance.