Nothing like a battle between gun-toting rednecks against would-be illegal alien slimeballs.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152212,00.html

You should keep your retarded comments to yourself.

You should keep your retarded comments to yourself.

lol. So which are you ******, a gun toting vigilante kook, or a slime ball illigal alien?

And before you start in with the "racist" accusations let me assure you I have nothing against chicanos legally residing in the US, nor do I have any problem with gun owners (being one myself).

So what's your next comment going to be you little dickwad ass-bandit?

lol. So which are you ******, a gun toting vigilante kook, or a slime ball illigal alien?

And before you start in with the "racist" accusations let me assure you I have nothing against chicanos legally residing in the US, nor do I have any problem with gun owners (being one myself).

So what's your next comment going to be you little dickwad ass-bandit?
you started smoking that **** again sonny?can you guess where it comes from?Your a smart guy sonny Im sure u already know.

you started smoking that **** again sonny?can you guess where it comes from?Your a smart guy sonny Im sure u already know.

I smoke BC bud, not that seedy dirt weed from south of the border. :D

I smoke BC bud, not that seedy dirt weed from south of the border. :D


Sure you do!

Nothing like a battle between gun-toting rednecks against would-be illegal alien slimeballs.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152212,00.html
Im guessing these guys started watching American history X and stoped in the middle of the movie.

Im guessing these guys started watching American history X and stoped in the middle of the movie.

Ok BB, fess up. Are you the illegal or are your parents?

Ok BB, fess up. Are you the illegal or are your parents?
I am not my parents though. I understand you gringos about people crossing the border and **** but if we look at the right picture its better off that way. Usually the chicanos r the one causing all the **** here in Cali. People that come from Mexico come here to work. Ive have never seen a Mexican begging for money in corner.They usually want to work for there money even if its selling roses or fruits.

I am not my parents though. I understand you gringos about people crossing the border and **** but if we look at the right picture its better off that way. Usually the chicanos r the one causing all the **** here in Cali. People that come from Mexico come here to work. Ive have never seen a Mexican begging for money in corner.They usually want to work for there money even if its selling roses or fruits.

I respect that and until today I've never had a problem with you BB, but why can't they enter the country legally if they want to find work in the US?

I respect that and until today I've never had a problem with you BB, but why can't they enter the country legally if they want to find work in the US?
Like I said most come here to work cause their country is so ****ed up. Put yourself in some of these peoples shoes if they have any.What would u do? I know many of these people here and they not here to **** up anything. If anything they r here doing the hard work for us. It is not that easy to come here legally.

I respect that and until today I've never had a problem with you BB, but why can't they enter the country legally if they want to find work in the US?
I dont have a problem with u sonny for the most part your cool. I just dont like the way u named the thread,did you even think about it before doing it or is it funny to you?

I dont have a problem with u sonny for the most part your cool. I just dont like the way u named the thread,did you even think about it before doing it or is it funny to you?


No it's not funny. Nor is the illegal alien problem in this country. And since 9-11 the problem takes on new significance. I understand the illegals look to the north and see dollar signs $$ and they want their share. But you need to understand that these people are criminals despite what their intentions might be.

No it's not funny. Nor is the illegal alien problem in this country. And since 9-11 the problem takes on new significance. I understand the illegals look to the north and see dollar signs $$ and they want their share. But you need to understand that these people are criminals despite what their intentions might be.
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I can understand the poor mexicans coming to this country and I don't hold it against anybody that does it and gets away with it. It is about survival. If illegal people are over here working, that isn't just their faults. Someone hired them, so the hiring people should be the real ones in trouble, not the poor people.

Same time, I understand that okay illegal people come over and take jobs that legal people here could otherwise get. But the illegal people do so at a risk. They have no benefits, no real rights, low wages, live like crap. Its not like they're living a life of luxury. Just cause they're breaking the man made law doesn't make them slime.
Slime are the ones who would lie down and do nothing for their family just because the law said so.

Sure, something needs to be done, but what? The answer isn't to turn away poor people. Clearly what needs to happen is Mexico's government needs overhaul. No, we don't need to attack them. Instead, we need to embrace them, help them out, make stronger allies somehow. Whatever needs to happen isn't going to happen overnight.

Legal or illegal, they're still humans who desire and need love, food, and shelter. Nobody can help where they're born. You can't help being born in a crappy poor country. Legal immigration isn't so easy and definitely isn't a quick process. What is a family with nothing back in Mexico supposed to eat in the mean time while someone tries to get into this country legally?

I don't believe they're sneaking in to make our lives a living hell. They're doing it to improve their own ****ty lives and their familys' lives. I've been friends with a lot of people from Mexico, Guatemala, etc. Many of them live like 10 people to a single-wide trailer, work their asses off, pay their bills, and send whatever is left over back home. They're some of the most high spirited people you'll ever meet. They take nothing for granted, the friends I've had at least.

I had an old 1 disc CD player, something you could buy at Wal-mart for like $30, and I gave it to a friend from Guatemala. Every time I saw him for like 2 weeks, he would thank me for the CD player. When I went to his house, his friends would thank me, then they'd turn it on at some point. I know my friend had a visa and was here legally. Not sure able everyone there.

There are a lot worse people than illegal immigrants. I don't think most of these people are bad. I definitely wouldn't call them slime.

lol. So which are you ******, a gun toting vigilante kook, or a slime ball illigal alien?

And before you start in with the "racist" accusations let me assure you I have nothing against chicanos legally residing in the US, nor do I have any problem with gun owners (being one myself).

So what's your next comment going to be you little dickwad ass-bandit?

I better run and hide, it's an internet tough guy. It sure takes a lot of balls to talk **** on the net. Get a life.

I'm not an illegal, nor am I a kook. (as you would call it)

I am simply someone who knows ignorance and stupidity when I see it. With your attitude, I'm sure you would fit in quite well with those morons "guarding" the border.

What exactly are you so bitter about? Nah, nevermind I don't care. I've already wasted too much time on your hateful bull.

I can understand the poor mexicans coming to this country and I don't hold it against anybody that does it and gets away with it. It is about survival. If illegal people are over here working, that isn't just their faults. Someone hired them, so the hiring people should be the real ones in trouble, not the poor people.

Same time, I understand that okay illegal people come over and take jobs that legal people here could otherwise get. But the illegal people do so at a risk. They have no benefits, no real rights, low wages, live like crap. Its not like they're living a life of luxury. Just cause they're breaking the man made law doesn't make them slime.
Slime are the ones who would lie down and do nothing for their family just because the law said so.

Sure, something needs to be done, but what? The answer isn't to turn away poor people. Clearly what needs to happen is Mexico's government needs overhaul. No, we don't need to attack them. Instead, we need to embrace them, help them out, make stronger allies somehow. Whatever needs to happen isn't going to happen overnight.

Legal or illegal, they're still humans who desire and need love, food, and shelter. Nobody can help where they're born. You can't help being born in a crappy poor country. Legal immigration isn't so easy and definitely isn't a quick process. What is a family with nothing back in Mexico supposed to eat in the mean time while someone tries to get into this country legally?

I don't believe they're sneaking in to make our lives a living hell. They're doing it to improve their own ****ty lives and their familys' lives. I've been friends with a lot of people from Mexico, Guatemala, etc. Many of them live like 10 people to a single-wide trailer, work their asses off, pay their bills, and send whatever is left over back home. They're some of the most high spirited people you'll ever meet. They take nothing for granted, the friends I've had at least.

I had an old 1 disc CD player, something you could buy at Wal-mart for like $30, and I gave it to a friend from Guatemala. Every time I saw him for like 2 weeks, he would thank me for the CD player. When I went to his house, his friends would thank me, then they'd turn it on at some point. I know my friend had a visa and was here legally. Not sure able everyone there.

There are a lot worse people than illegal immigrants. I don't think most of these people are bad. I definitely wouldn't call them slime.

I'm no fan of slipx, but listing somebody's personal info in your signature IS a slimy thing to do.

Sonny, that ****head started it and was asking for it. He lied about it anyhow, which I figured. No its not a slimy thing to do. When I called his ex-girlfriend and got her to tell me he has a 2 inch penis, that was slimy. :)

I really want to **** Elizabeth Shue.

REALLY!

I better run and hide, it's an internet tough guy. It sure takes a lot of balls to talk **** on the net. Get a life.

I'm not an illegal, nor am I a kook. (as you would call it)

I am simply someone who knows ignorance and stupidity when I see it. With your attitude, I'm sure you would fit in quite well with those morons "guarding" the border.

What exactly are you so bitter about? Nah, nevermind I don't care. I've already wasted too much time on your hateful bull.

You really need some reading comprehension skills dumbass. I never sided with either the gun toting vigilantes or the illegal aliens scumbags.

I rain contempt on both of them. Get it dumbass. You think it's ok for Illegals to enter our country at will? That's your opinion and your entitled to it. But guess what numbnuts, there are procedures for enteruing this AND EVERY country for a reason. Because we want people who are here to work and contribute, not exconvicts and drug smugglers.

I laugh at you mindless jackasses who call anyone who wants to stop the flow of illegal aliens into this country a nazi. Remove your head from your ass for a second and maybe you'll see clearly for a change.

yeah Sonny's definitely not a nazi. he loves jews cause they make good umm...jewish food? for him to eat. I got nothing.

yeah Sonny's definitely not a nazi. he loves jews cause they make good umm...jewish food? for him to eat. I got nothing.

Actually my best friend is a Ukrainian Jew who fled the former USSR and went to Belgium I believe and then entered this country legally with his parents. His Father and mother LEARENED THE LANGUAGE, worked their asses off. After the 5 year waiting period they applied for and recieved US citizenship. His dad eventually opened a successful camera/photo developing store. My bud worked his ass off in school and earned a scholarship to UF where I met him. Today he works at the Pentagon as a linguist in a joint satelite project with the Russian government/military.

Oh yeah, and his mom make some ****ing awesome motza balls. :D

So no, I'm not a Nazi.

see? told ya so.

But I have to say that I think it is easier for Europeans to come to America than non-white people. They're more readily accepted than people of color. 5 years? That's a long time to wait to get US citizenship. I wouldn't hold it against them if they had snuck in and all.

For me, its the ones who sneak in and do actual crime that pisses me off. Like harmful crime, such as stealing, drug dealing, etc. Yeah, everybody should learn the predominant language of any country they go to if they're going to live there. Definitely agree with that.

I'd learn Japanese if I ever moved to Japan. Would love to know it anyhow so I could further enjoy Victorious Boxers 2 and watch all of my favorite anime, Hajime NO Ippo right now without English dubs.

You really need some reading comprehension skills dumbass. I never sided with either the gun toting vigilantes or the illegal aliens scumbags.

I rain contempt on both of them. Get it dumbass. You think it's ok for Illegals to enter our country at will? That's your opinion and your entitled to it. But guess what numbnuts, there are procedures for enteruing this AND EVERY country for a reason. Because we want people who are here to work and contribute, not exconvicts and drug smugglers.

I laugh at you mindless jackasses who call anyone who wants to stop the flow of illegal aliens into this country a nazi. Remove your head from your ass for a second and maybe you'll see clearly for a change.



......The only reason that anyone would advocate the influx of illegals into any country is either an illegal or they have family that was or is illegal. I understand where Sonny is coming from and for someone to speak against illegal immigration does not make that person racist or ant-mexican. Sonny has demonstrated time and time again that he is not racist and does not resemble a nazi in any way, shape, or form. The illegal immigration into this country is a serious problem that impacts all of us economically and with Al Qada recruiting in latin american countries it has become even more important. I have a a pretty damn good question: What the hell is wrong with Mexico that the people of Mexico couldn't fix by sticking around, advocating change, and seriously attempting to grow a prosperous and succesful nation? Why can't Mexico get their **** together?? The Mexican people who do come into this country seem to be hard working and predominantly good people. The Al qada factor makes the situation even trickier than it has been in the past. I know there of tons fo illegals in and around the area I live in, but you rarely see them responsible for crime or any violence that takes place. It still doesn't make the illegal entry into our country right or a good thing.

......The only reason that anyone would advocate the influx of illegals into any country is either an illegal or they have family that was or is illegal. I understand where Sonny is coming from and for someone to speak against illegal immigration does not make that person racist or ant-mexican. Sonny has demonstrated time and time again that he is not racist and does not resemble a nazi in any way, shape, or form. The illegal immigration into this country is a serious problem that impacts all of us economically and with Al Qada recruiting in latin american countries it has become even more important. I have a a pretty damn good question: What the hell is wrong with Mexico that the people of Mexico couldn't fix by sticking around, advocating change, and seriously attempting to grow a prosperous and succesful nation? Why can't Mexico get their **** together?? The Mexican people who do come into this country seem to be hard working and predominantly good people. The Al qada factor makes the situation even trickier than it has been in the past. I know there of tons fo illegals in and around the area I live in, but you rarely see them responsible for crime or any violence that takes place. It still doesn't make the illegal entry into our country right or a good thing.
About your ???? Every politician in Mexico is a theif and if he isnt he is probably dead. Look into it, all the ex-presidents from Mexico r millionares some even billionares. The only thing to fix the problem would be a revolution but then the U.S would allow it. That is one of the reasons many countries hate this country. Me I love the U.S it gives hard working people a chance at a better life.

About your ???? Every politician in Mexico is a theif and if he isnt he is probably dead. Look into it, all the ex-presidents from Mexico r millionares some even billionares. The only thing to fix the problem would be a revolution but then the U.S would allow it.


....How did the situation get like that and why have all the past politicians of Mexico basically raped the system? As I understand it, corruption in the governments in most latin american countries makes our governmental problems here look like a real tea party. Why is extreme corruption in politics(beyond anything that Neils believes our government does) occur so often in Latin America?

....How did the situation get like that and why have all the past politicians of Mexico basically raped the system? As I understand it, corruption in the governments in most latin american countries makes our governmental problems here look like a real tea party. Why is extreme corruption in politics(beyond anything that Neils believes our government does) occur so often in Latin America?
exactomundo!!!

There is some country I think in Africa where the US helped build roads for this country but the leader is the only one with a car. So what'd his punk ass do? Made roads to and from all of his houses throughout the country.

I have read the post on this thread and I just want to say that I support the Minutemen. I think what they are doing is great and I hope that it brings not only more attention to the issue, but also some action from the *******s in Washington, George W being the #1 *******.

I also cannot for the life of me think of a reason why people would say someone is racist for trying to protect its countries borders. I dont know if you all know this, but the minutemen are providing water to the illegals the see crossing the border, making sure they are ok. All they are doing is reporting illegal crossings to the border patrol.

As far as people from Mexico coming here to work, thats for the most part true. Most come to work. But most who come here to work, also come to work the system. They have kids over here and reap the beneifts of free healthcare, schooling and in some cases welfare. We have anough poor people in America already to take care of, we dont need any more. Also, poor people from Mexico will work for less money than Americans because they are more deperate. This indercuts the Americans wage and makes it so people in America cannot enjoy the same quality of life they are used to. Lets say some guy works construction and does dry wall. He has done it for 5 years and he makes 20 an hour. All of a sudden the contractor starts hiring illegals for 10 an hour. They might not do as good of a job at first, but because they are so cheap to hire, the contractor deals with it. Now the American guy is out of a job completely, and if he wants to get another job doing what he knows, he now has to compete with illegals who shouldnt be here in the first place for the job. Even if he gets the job he makes half what he used to because illegal labor has undercut the payscale. That is not fair to Americans. The rich will keep getting richer and the poor, Americans and Mexicans, will stay poor. Poor people from Mexico are Mexico's problem, not ours. You guys who think this Minutemen thing is ****ed up should concentrate your frustrations on that A-hole Vicente Fox and make him take care of his people rather than trying to export his poor to the US.

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Mexico is a country created when some of the most populous and most sophisticated Native nations were taken over and brutalized by one of the most oppresive imperial Empires ever known. This all happened starting five hundred years ago, which is a blink of an eye in historical terms. So people wonder why it has problems now :confused: ??

America was created from scratch about 200 years ago and we seem to be doing pretty well.

America was created from scratch about 200 years ago and we seem to be doing pretty well.

Yeah, but there are lots of differences (and keep in mind that I'm not trying to be anti-American...I'm just stating facts):

- European America was founded a lot later than European Mexico.

- When America was colonized by Europeans, they were a lot better as subjugating Indian peoples, by nature of having more modern weapons and military techniques than were available to the Spanish earlier.

- The Native populations were a lot less dense in America, making it easier to colonize.

- Okay, so what I'm trying to say is that it was a helluva lot easier for Europeans to conquer America. What does that mean? Well, it means it's a lot easier to settle down and create your own version of civilization. In Mexico, since the Native populations were still around, there was turbulence from the get-go.

- America was able to break free of its colonial masters sooners, thanks in no small part to the French, who helped out in the Revolution to stick it to the British, who had booted them out of North America about a decade earlier. Mexico was oppressed by the Spanish for a long while after America became a country.

- Most revolutions cause chaos for decades or centuries before things settle down. America was lucky, in a sense, that stability was secured quickly. France, which revolted a little while later, had to suffer through a litany of short Emperors before it could secure a stable democratic government. Mexico's revolution was even later than France's so give it time.

- America also has huge advantanges in terms of available natural resources, especially those that became important in the 20th century, creating a lot of wealth quickly.

Yeah, but there are lots of differences (and keep in mind that I'm not trying to be anti-American...I'm just stating facts):

- European America was founded a lot later than European Mexico.

- When America was colonized by Europeans, they were a lot better as subjugating Indian peoples, by nature of having more modern weapons and military techniques than were available to the Spanish earlier.

- The Native populations were a lot less dense in America, making it easier to colonize.

- Okay, so what I'm trying to say is that it was a helluva lot easier for Europeans to conquer America. What does that mean? Well, it means it's a lot easier to settle down and create your own version of civilization. In Mexico, since the Native populations were still around, there was turbulence from the get-go.

- America was able to break free of its colonial masters sooners, thanks in no small part to the French, who helped out in the Revolution to stick it to the British, who had booted them out of North America about a decade earlier. Mexico was oppressed by the Spanish for a long while after America became a country.

- Most revolutions cause chaos for decades or centuries before things settle down. America was lucky, in a sense, that stability was secured quickly. France, which revolted a little while later, had to suffer through a litany of short Emperors before it could secure a stable democratic government. Mexico's revolution was even later than France's so give it time.

- America also has huge advantanges in terms of available natural resources, especially those that became important in the 20th century, creating a lot of wealth quickly.

Differences or not, America has only been around for 200 or so years while as you said, modern Mexico (maybe oxymoron?), has been around for 500. Mexico has had plenty of time to straighten things out.

Differences or not, America has only been around for 200 or so years while as you said, modern Mexico (maybe oxymoron?), has been around for 500. Mexico has had plenty of time to straighten things out.

Yeah, but it's tough to build a healthy multi-party democratic government and make it last. In Canada and in the U.S., our government systems are decaying quite badly. Who knows where we'll both be in a few hundred more years?

Yeah, but it's tough to build a healthy multi-party democratic government and make it last. In Canada and in the U.S., our government systems are decaying quite badly. Who knows where we'll both be in a few hundred more years?

Very true. But my main point in all of this is that it is not America's responsibility to take care of the worlds poor. In the case of Mexico the blame needs to be targeted at their leaders. They have tourism from America, great oil reserves and their #2 GDP, money from relatives in America, to get them on their feet. In addition to that the US gives millions in aid to Mexico. Its time for them to do something abou their own country and fix it for good.

Very true. But my main point in all of this is that it is not America's responsibility to take care of the worlds poor. In the case of Mexico the blame needs to be targeted at their leaders. They have tourism from America, great oil reserves and their #2 GDP, money from relatives in America, to get them on their feet. In addition to that the US gives millions in aid to Mexico. Its time for them to do something abou their own country and fix it for good.

No, you're right. I agree that you can only blame the past so much. I was just trying to make the point that you can't assume all countries start out the same and that the ones that are successful now are somehow better than the ones that are struggling. I don't think you were but a few other people in the thread sort of seemed to be thinking that way. But people have been making a lot of good points as well. Like you said, you still have to make the commitment to fix the problems you have and not just rely on other people/nations.