View Full Version : Dana: "It's Time To Bring Fedor To See Lesnar Smash Him"


snakerattle79
11-10-2009, 07:59 AM
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-fedor10-2009nov10,0,2976507.story

A heavyweight fight between Fedor Emelianenko and Brock Lesnar is the bout most mixed martial arts fans want to see, but contractual obligations and medical problems are likely to prevent a showdown between the two for another year, Emelianenko's camp said Monday.

Emelianenko survived a cut nose Saturday to retain his unofficial standing as the top MMA heavyweight in the world by defeating Brett Rogers in a second-round technical knockout. He closed the victory with a stand-up, right-handed punch, then pounced on Rogers to deliver a left-right combination on the canvas before the referee ended the fight.

Emelianenko-Rogers headlined CBS' "Saturday Night Fights" card of four bouts promoted by Strikeforce/M-1, with a near-capacity crowd of 11,500 filling the Sears Centre near Chicago.

The TV ratings are not final, but early numbers show the Strikeforce fights drew at least 3.8 million viewers, and a 267% increase in the number of males aged 18-34 who usually tune in for Saturday night programming, CBS said.

Lesnar, with a record of 4-1, is heavyweight champion of the rival, and more dominant, Ultimate Fighting Championship. A few months ago, UFC failed to reach a deal with Emelianenko for multiple fights.

Scott Coker, Strikeforce chief executive, said because Saturday's fights delivered "those 18-34 male [viewership] numbers in a big way," CBS will televise future cards. Emelianenko earned $400,000 on Saturday night. A CBS spokesman said no decision has been made on whether the network would telecast another Strikeforce card, although Saturday's bouts drew new viewers to the network.

Yet, Dana White, president of UFC, called the Strikeforce's overall ratings Saturday a disappointment.

"CBS would be out of their mind to put that rinky-dink [Strikeforce] . . . on the air again . . . and without that backing, [promoters] won't have the money to pay [Emelianenko]."

But Emelianenko (31-1-1) still owes Strikeforce at least two more fights, possibly more with options, Coker said.

The Russian heavyweight agreed to a Strikeforce deal when his promotional company, M-1 Global, failed to reach agreement with UFC. The Emelianenko negotiations collapsed, in part, because UFC rejected M-1's push to co-promote an Emelianenko event.

After those talks ended, UFC announced a Lesnar fight against UFC contender Shane Carwin scheduled for Nov. 21. But Lesnar became ill and was diagnosed with mononucleosis, causing an indefinite delay of the Carwin bout.

Emelianenko, 33, also is dealing with health issues. He suffered a fracture and tendon damage in his left thumb, and a fractured nose in the Rogers fight, Coker said. Emelianenko stopped in Los Angeles on Monday to be treated for the injuries.

"[The hand injury] could've been from that blow when he had Brett on the mat at the end," Coker said. "We're hearing he could be out for four to six months."

Coker will use Emelianenko's layoff to boost name recognition in the U.S. of Strikeforce's heavyweight champion, Alistair Overeem, 29, an MMA veteran with a 31-11 record that includes losses to former UFC light-heavyweight champion Chuck Liddell and current UFC contender Mauricio "Shogun" Rua.

England's Overeem will headline a Strikeforce card on Showtime early next year, and he is the favorite to be Emelianenko's next foe, Coker said.

Meanwhile, public clamor for an Emelianenko-Lesnar bout is being noticed by promoters.

Jerry Millen, M-1 vice president, said Emelianenko is free to fight Lesnar if UFC drops its demands regarding co-promotion. Millen said the more-experienced Emelianenko would "smash" Lesnar, a former college wrestling champion and World Wrestling Entertainment performer whose "ranking looks manufactured."

Added Millen: "Fedor's not ducking anybody. If UFC wants to prove it has the best fighters, step up and co-promote. Fedor just wants to be treated fairly. The UFC business model is to own the souls of their fighters. Fedor doesn't have to do that, and if the fans scream loudly enough, we can make that happen."

UFC's White countered that a CBS retreat could cause Emelianenko to realize the UFC is where the big money is. White said he'd be happy to extend a contract to Emelianenko to prove UFC has the world's best heavyweight.

"The guy just got his face smashed in by Brett Rogers. Do you know what Brock or [UFC heavyweights] Frank Mir and Cain Velasquez would do to Brett Rogers?" White said. "It's time to bring this guy [Fedor] in, to see Brock Lesnar smash his head."

kaps
11-10-2009, 08:49 AM
Dana White is a moron...

$ LegenD $
11-10-2009, 09:13 AM
i for one give brock a hell of a chance against fedor....i would even wager that brock takes the "w"......

Junito-Rulez
11-10-2009, 09:17 AM
I don't think Rogers ever hurt Fedor. Except the sweep on Fedor's kimura attempt and Roger's 5 seconds GNP, Fedor was controlling the fight, had much less trouble than he did against Mark Hunt.

White says that Lesnar, Velazquez and Mir would kill Rogers. I agree for Lesnar and Velazquez but Mir is ****in overrated, he got killed by Vera and Freeman. A Rogers VS Mir match up would be closer. What i would like to see is Kongo VS Fedor. THe best striker in the UFC against the top Heavyweight fighter of the world.

Nick Fury
11-10-2009, 09:45 AM
What I don't understand how Lesnar is so highly rated . OK, I understand he has good wrestling, and is freakishly strong....but he's 4-1...he layed and prayed Herring for the decision, he beat a 46 year old Couture and an overatted Mir.

Junito-Rulez
11-10-2009, 09:53 AM
What I don't understand how Lesnar is so highly rated . OK, I understand he has good wrestling, and is freakishly strong....but he's 4-1...he layed and prayed Herring for the decision, he beat a 46 year old Couture and an overatted Mir.

Yes but you could also say Mir is the former Heavyweight champ and the first man to beat Nog, Couture was the real Heavyweight champ and a legit top 3 at the time. Herring, well he's a solid veteran, if you beat him, that means you're a good heavyweight(even though he's past prime and below what he was in 2001-3).

Lesnar is overrated but you can't deny his accomplishements in his 4-1 record. IMO his 4-1 is better than Sylvia's 25-6.

Nick Fury
11-10-2009, 10:37 AM
Yes but you could also say Mir is the former Heavyweight champ and the first man to beat Nog, Couture was the real Heavyweight champ and a legit top 3 at the time. Herring, well he's a solid veteran, if you beat him, that means you're a good heavyweight(even though he's past prime and below what he was in 2001-3).

Lesnar is overrated but you can't deny his accomplishements in his 4-1 record. IMO his 4-1 is better than Sylvia's 25-6.

Wes Sims beat Mir. And Couture is great no doubt, but he is a small heavyweight, and at 46, he is no where near as he was in his prime. And yeah, Herring is definitely solid, but as you said he's past it and Fedor bulldozed through him when Herring was THE top contender in the HW division.

SOTO
11-10-2009, 11:07 AM
He just got caught by good strong jab but he was never hurt. Brent Rogers would beat on Mir, he is a big guy and strong also ,dana is acting like it was a walk in the park.

Stalaggh
11-10-2009, 11:51 AM
Wes Sims beat Mir. And Couture is great no doubt, but he is a small heavyweight, and at 46, he is no where near as he was in his prime. And yeah, Herring is definitely solid, but as you said he's past it and Fedor bulldozed through him when Herring was THE top contender in the HW division.

Wes Sims did not beat Mir.....

Couture old as he is beat a tough opponent in Gonzaga

kaps
11-10-2009, 12:00 PM
Wes Sims didn't beat Mir, but it took Mir 3 rounds to beat Wes Sims. Mir has always been highly overrated. He beat a sick Nog, subbed a rookie, and broke a bums arm. That's Mir's carrer in a nutshell....

vinnie7731
11-10-2009, 04:25 PM
the article says fedor got paid 400k for saturday fight. i know thats not everything but thats not a bad pay day. if only the ufc/m-1 could have worked out something. i would say that the ufc offered him at least 600k per fight. anyone have any idea what the ufc offered him?

StillUnknown
11-10-2009, 05:49 PM
the article says fedor got paid 400k for saturday fight. i know thats not everything but thats not a bad pay day. if only the ufc/m-1 could have worked out something. i would say that the ufc offered him at least 600k per fight. anyone have any idea what the ufc offered him?

UFC offered him well over a 1mil per fight

its not about the money with fedor. at first the ufc wouldn't let him compete in Sambo competitions, which was a non-starter for Fedor. they relented on that demand, but since Fedor is still contractually obligated to M-1 for 2 more fights, they wont sign a UFC that doesn't co-promote

Phenomkidd
11-10-2009, 06:24 PM
I don't think Rogers ever hurt Fedor. Except the sweep on Fedor's kimura attempt and Roger's 5 seconds GNP, Fedor was controlling the fight, had much less trouble than he did against Mark Hunt.

White says that Lesnar, Velazquez and Mir would kill Rogers. I agree for Lesnar and Velazquez but Mir is ****in overrated, he got killed by Vera and Freeman. A Rogers VS Mir match up would be closer. What i would like to see is Kongo VS Fedor. THe best striker in the UFC against the top Heavyweight fighter of the world.

Idk Velasquez has a questionable chin (Kongo fight), and Rogers has power so...its up for grabs. Standing Rogers vs Lesnar would be a good fight, on the ground, Lesnar easy. Mir could maybe sub Rogers but would probably be KOed before he would get a chance. Kongo is also nowhere near the best striker in the UFC.

Fedor was not controlling the fight, momentum shifted at times, but Fedor had the most control out of the two but he did not control the fight in the sense of dominating.

Phenomkidd
11-10-2009, 06:25 PM
UFC offered him well over a 1mil per fight

its not about the money with fedor. at first the ufc wouldn't let him compete in Sambo competitions, which was a non-starter for Fedor. they relented on that demand, but since Fedor is still contractually obligated to M-1 for 2 more fights, they wont sign a UFC that doesn't co-promote

He's obligated to Strikeforce, he only pushed for M-1 because he has part ownership of the promotion, at least that seems to be the reason.

TheCheetah
11-10-2009, 07:06 PM
I think Lesnar would beat Fedor.

nela
11-10-2009, 11:19 PM
Is Dana White an MMA fan first or a businessman? Seems to me if he was really that big of an MMA fan and really thought his UFC HWs would crush Fedor, he'd make a one-man exception for Fedor to co-promote with M-1 if for no other reason then to embarrass Fedor and Strikeforce.

If he was to make an exception for Fedor, what are the odds he's going to have to make another one down the line? At this point, it seems like most of the top MMA talent is going to gravitate towards UFC, the dominant organization, anyway.

I suspect Dana is worried that Fedor would beat Lesnar/Carwin/Velasquez, which would prove that the UFC does not have the top talent in the world in every division and give Strikeforce a foothold to compete with the UFC. This is probably the ultimate deal-breaker, which sucks for the MMA fans of the world.

Harms
11-11-2009, 02:03 AM
Is Dana White an MMA fan first or a businessman? Seems to me if he was really that big of an MMA fan and really thought his UFC HWs would crush Fedor, he'd make a one-man exception for Fedor to co-promote with M-1 if for no other reason then to embarrass Fedor and Strikeforce.

If he was to make an exception for Fedor, what are the odds he's going to have to make another one down the line? At this point, it seems like most of the top MMA talent is going to gravitate towards UFC, the dominant organization, anyway.

I suspect Dana is worried that Fedor would beat Lesnar/Carwin/Velasquez, which would prove that the UFC does not have the top talent in the world in every division and give Strikeforce a foothold to compete with the UFC. This is probably the ultimate deal-breaker, which sucks for the MMA fans of the world.

Don't get it twisted, he's a businessman first.

Napalm Death
11-11-2009, 01:06 PM
mir didnt lose to wes sims. wes sims decided to stomp on his head while also holding onto the cage. both of which are illegal in the ufc.

kaps
11-11-2009, 02:14 PM
The funniest thing is that if Dana signed Fedor tomorrow you'd hear him say that Fedor is the best figther in the world.....

mrbigshot
11-11-2009, 02:38 PM
Wes Sims beat Mir. And Couture is great no doubt, but he is a small heavyweight, and at 46, he is no where near as he was in his prime. And yeah, Herring is definitely solid, but as you said he's past it and Fedor bulldozed through him when Herring was THE top contender in the HW division.

wes sims never beat mir u tosser

Talon
11-12-2009, 12:16 PM
ok randy did ok wrestling against lesnar. did you see how fedor threw rogers around?? lesnars gonna be KOed or submitted

The Number 6
11-12-2009, 12:58 PM
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-fedor10-2009nov10,0,2976507.story

England's Overeem will headline a Strikeforce card on Showtime early next year, and he is the favorite to be Emelianenko's next foe, Coker said.



He is Dutch

I cant imagine Fedor ever fighting for the UFC, i think Dana's attitude towards Fedor over the last few years hasnt helped matters.
Shame for the fans tho

kaps
11-12-2009, 02:55 PM
He is Dutch

I cant imagine Fedor ever fighting for the UFC, i think Dana's attitude towards Fedor over the last few years hasnt helped matters.
Shame for the fans tho

His parents are dutch, he was born in England...

Clint650
11-12-2009, 10:56 PM
fools are trippin. UFC can't say **** about Strikeforce. they put on a great show, and it was FREE of charge. thanks Strikeforce!

i had Rogers to beat Fedor, and you know he came awfully close. Fedor gets major props for taking those shots and finding his range to put Rogers away. Lesnar might have a bulldozers chance to knockout Fedor, but i seriously doubt it. Fedor just proved how explosive he really is. Brock's stand up wouldn't match well, and well i think we all know what would happen if they go to the ground. Fedor wins by armbar, rear naked choke, leg lock whatever he would submit Lesnar.

Clint650
11-12-2009, 10:59 PM
more importantly, Shane Carwin knocks them both out.

Phenomkidd
11-12-2009, 11:29 PM
fools are trippin. UFC can't say **** about Strikeforce. they put on a great show, and it was FREE of charge. thanks Strikeforce!

i had Rogers to beat Fedor, and you know he came awfully close. Fedor gets major props for taking those shots and finding his range to put Rogers away. Lesnar might have a bulldozers chance to knockout Fedor, but i seriously doubt it. Fedor just proved how explosive he really is. Brock's stand up wouldn't match well, and well i think we all know what would happen if they go to the ground. Fedor wins by armbar, rear naked choke, leg lock whatever he would submit Lesnar.

Yeah they put on a show FREE of charge, harder to make the money back up.

more importantly, Shane Carwin knocks them both out.

Doubtful.

Syf
11-13-2009, 03:05 PM
This guy, Lesnar, has a 4-1 record, and he's better than Fedor who's 31-1 or something?

How does that work?

But yeah, I caught the fight... Nice right hand by Fedor, and I admire his perseverence after getting his nose crushed on.

The Number 6
11-13-2009, 03:51 PM
His parents are dutch, he was born in England...

Learn something new every day, never knew that.
Bet he wasnt over here long though.

kaps
11-13-2009, 04:12 PM
Learn something new every day, never knew that.
Bet he wasnt over here long though.

I believe he was only there as a child. He was born in Hounslow...

The Number 6
11-13-2009, 04:32 PM
I believe he was only there as a child. He was born in Hounslow...

Pitty we cant claim him, he would have been the best heavyweight/ maybe the best lb4lb fighter we have had in mma.

kaps
11-13-2009, 04:40 PM
Pitty we cant claim him, he would have been the best heavyweight/ maybe the best lb4lb fighter we have had in mma.

He's on steroids...

Phenomkidd
11-13-2009, 07:37 PM
Probably, maybe not though. Most likely he is though, he wanted to fight Fedor in Japan under the Dream banner instead of defending his belt in the US. And we all know how strict Japan's drug testing system is lol

caveez
11-14-2009, 09:18 AM
lesnar is a brute with no brain. fedor will let him take him to the ground and then proceed to submit him via armbar or leg lock.

GoldenBoy23
11-14-2009, 01:21 PM
If Lesnar ever smashed Fedor..i'll eat dog ****

fightaddicted
11-15-2009, 11:32 AM
fedor would knock out lesnar...cuz if you watched couture fighting lesnar, couture almost knocked lesnar out and had him stumbling..so imagine what fedor would do..