So both Klitckos are white. Nicolae Valuev is white. Andrew Golota is white. The guy that almost fought Vlad but pulled out is white. Vitali is the first white heavyweight champion since Rocky Marciano.


Also Joe Mesi and Ty Fields are white. Only Joe Mesi and Ty Fields are reffered to as the great white hopes. Why is this? With so many white people in the top ten, why are only Americans referred to as the great white hope? Do white Europeans not count???

I don't get it. Should they change the name to the great American White Hope or just the American Hope?

Because John Ruiz was technically the first caucasian to win the heavyweight title since Rocky. So there's no more White Hope hype. It's done. And he sucks. I hope James Toney KOs this bum.

Because John Ruiz was technically the first caucasian to win the heavyweight title since Rocky. So there's no more White Hope hype. It's done. And he sucks. I hope James Toney KOs this bum.


I don't think your right. Also Ruiz is tecknically caucasian, he still is not white. He also is not the linear champion. He has a belt, but its not the important one. I am sure that white people have held heavyweight belts since Rocky, just not the important one.

I don't get it. Should they change the name to the great American White Hope or just the American Hope?
yes that seems to be the case, if vitali was american things would be a lot different as we know, but anyway he is not just a hope anymore he's the real thing, the other guys never quite made it

I don't think your right. Also Ruiz is tecknically caucasian, he still is not white.

If he's caucasian, then he's white.

Ruiz is of Puerto Rican decent. Who cares what color they are? They are all weak, the only legit Heavy Weight right now is Viatli, and even he seems robotic at times. We need another Tyson to getting things more exciting the HW division is falling down the drain.

Tye Fields is a farse, I have seen him fight to many times, he is as bright as a box of rocks. Another basketball player that couldn't cut it there. He has power but no jaw.

Because John Ruiz was technically the first caucasian to win the heavyweight title since Rocky. So there's no more White Hope hype. It's done. And he sucks. I hope James Toney KOs this bum.

john ruiz is puerto rican you idiot, he isnt white

Anthropologists generally classify people into a small number of main racial groups- [caucasoid]- european or white.[mongoloid]-which includes the chinese, inuit or eskimo and native americans.[negroid]-black africans.[australoid]- the australian aborigines. within each classifacation there are many sub groups

Gerrie Coetzee was white and he won the WBA title back in '83 or '84.

bum.

Bum eh? Why, because he doesn't fight the way you want him to?

He has held multiple belts at one time and is not a bum. Were you ever a champion? If not, then that makes you lower than what you consider him to be (a bum)

If you think Ruiz is a bum then you are the bum that runs out to my car with a windshield wiper with zero dignity, while Ruiz is the type of bum who retains his pride and earns his keep with a push cart full of cans n'****.

I've never really understood this infatuation with the great white hope thing ... I mean, it's pretty much blatantly racist to think of any sport in those terms. So it's best just to ignore it.

john ruiz is puerto rican you idiot, he isnt white


Jesus Christ. I'm being called an idiot by a dumbass who thinks Puerto Rican is a "race". Puerto Rico was colonized by three races. The indigenous natives, the Spaniards(caucasians) and Africans. Does John Ruiz look mulato to you?

Who's the idiot again? Ah...yes....Dan Sweeney. Here's your "Stupid" sign. Wear it well.

Bum eh? Why, because he doesn't fight the way you want him to?

He has held multiple belts at one time and is not a bum. Were you ever a champion? If not, then that makes you lower than what you consider him to be (a bum)

If you think Ruiz is a bum then you are the bum that runs out to my car with a windshield wiper with zero dignity, while Ruiz is the type of bum who retains his pride and earns his keep with a push cart full of cans n'****.

He's an alphabelt champion who barely beat an aging Holyfield, got a gift decision in the Golota fight, hugs and clinches like a koala bear. If I was to become a fighter, I certainly wouldn't be hugging people - that's not fighting.

He's a bum. Say it with me. John Ruiz = bum. Intiende?

who cares what color the skin is - the best fighter wins, usually, and that's the end of it.

race is a stupid concept, anyway, that really doesn't make any sense if you think about it - people look at me and call me white, because of my pale skin and light hair, but my great x 4 grandmother was a mohawk indian - you can see it in some of my facial features, like my cheekbones - so knowing that, what would you call me? 95% white 5% native american? and what about my cousins, the kids of my african uncle - are they 48% white, 48% black, and 4% native american? at what point do we just give up and admit that we're all just humans?

i guess though that as long as people keep thinking that race exists and is a big deal, it's gonna exist and it's gonna be a big deal.

For some reason only Americans can be labled with the great white hope label.

Dammit, I want my white hope to speak straightforward, standard American English with no trace of an accent and to appear to have the ability to demonstrate emotion.

Is that so wrong?

lol...

Dammit, I want my white hope to speak straightforward, standard American English with no trace of an accent and to appear to have the ability to demonstrate emotion.

Is that so wrong?

lol...

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So both Klitckos are white. Nicolae Valuev is white. Andrew Golota is white. The guy that almost fought Vlad but pulled out is white. Vitali is the first white heavyweight champion since Rocky Marciano.


Also Joe Mesi and Ty Fields are white. Only Joe Mesi and Ty Fields are reffered to as the great white hopes. Why is this? With so many white people in the top ten, why are only Americans referred to as the great white hope? Do white Europeans not count???

I don't get it. Should they change the name to the great American White Hope or just the American Hope?

I know this is going to sound stupid, but I never really thought about the fact that the last white champ in the heavy division being Marciano, back in the 50's. Does this have anything to do with Klitchko not being popular on most of these boxing forums, or at least being extremely controversial, do you think? And that's a serious question, not a snyde remark.

the great white hope is an american born white dude, perfect example was tommy morrison thats a great white hope, klitschkos aint american they dont count

Theres no white hope in the moment

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Morrison I think was really the last to carry that title.

And actually Morrison won a title- the WBO title by beating Foreman. Foreman went from that loss to the Moorer fight where he won and was considered The Champ. Something to think about...

But there are numerous whites who have held heavyweight titles since Marciano (Shultz,Botha, etc)- they just weren't undisputed champs -there are a lot less undisputed HW champs than you think- esp since Tyson. In the 90's someone always had one of the belts and another guy would have one, or maybe someone would have two- Moorer, Bowe, Lewis, Holyfield, Foreman, etc. Another something to think about...

I personaly don't care what color their skin is. I care most about boxers that kick ass. They should call them "the Great AssKicker".

Vitali Kicks Ass!
Mike Tyson used to Kick Ass!
Marvin Hagler Kicked Ass!
George Forman Kicked Ass!

Chris Byrd Ki..............well......runs away then slaps like a black Larry from the three stooges.

Chris Byrd Ki..............well......runs away then slaps like a black Larry from the three stooges.
that was a funny quote :D

john ruiz is puerto rican you idiot, he isnt white


As a puerto rican whos black, i can assure you, those puerto ricans with white skin and straight hair take more after their spanish/european counterparts, hes white.

If I was to become a fighter, I certainly wouldn't be hugging people - that's not fighting.

He's a bum. Say it with me. John Ruiz = bum. Intiende?

Disrespecting Ruiz because you don't like to watch hugging is ignorant. You arent a fighter, you don't know how it is to be in there with a guy who could unstuck your VW bug out of the mud with a left hook, understand? Take Bruno for example, they tested his power and it measured around 0.63 ton. When your brain is on the line, it means that the way you see the world, your mother****ing sense of smell, taste, and knowledge of who you are, friends,family,memory, is all on the line too. you risk it all just by going between those ropes into that square circle, looking at people like McClellan who took one bad shot behind the head, one bad punch made him a half deaf blind vegatable for life, left to be cared for by relatives. With this in mind, developing a hugging style that wins fights isn't exactly a bad idea. He overpowers the tendons before they hit him, weakening his opponent's punches, it's actually quite an interesting style to watch if you know what he's doing. When he's moving in and 'hugging' as you say, he is really probably not only blocking punches but weakening the punching muscles of the other guy, and also tiring the other guy out by leaning all over him. You simply see it as hugging because you are 90% of what the world is composed off, the ignorant masses, and my purpose is to 'correct' your thinking, to save you future 'corrections' from others, so don't take this as a flame.

I suggest you show fighters in general more respect, hopefully after this post you'd even show Strickland some respect, maybe I taught you something.

Billy Zumbrun is a great white hope!

j/k

For some reason only Americans can be labled with the great white hope label.

http://www.klitschko.com/duels/boxers/photo/mike_acklie.jpg

http://www.klitschko.com/duels/boxers/photo/mike_acklie.jpg

reminds me of Georgious George off of the movie Snatch..;)

whats that fighters name there?

Disrespecting Ruiz because you don't like to watch hugging is ignorant. You arent a fighter, you don't know how it is to be in there with a guy who could unstuck your VW bug out of the mud with a left hook, understand? Take Bruno for example, they tested his power and it measured around 0.63 ton. When your brain is on the line, it means that the way you see the world, your mother****ing sense of smell, taste, and knowledge of who you are, friends,family,memory, is all on the line too. you risk it all just by going between those ropes into that square circle, looking at people like McClellan who took one bad shot behind the head, one bad punch made him a half deaf blind vegatable for life, left to be cared for by relatives. With this in mind, developing a hugging style that wins fights isn't exactly a bad idea. He overpowers the tendons before they hit him, weakening his opponent's punches, it's actually quite an interesting style to watch if you know what he's doing. When he's moving in and 'hugging' as you say, he is really probably not only blocking punches but weakening the punching muscles of the other guy, and also tiring the other guy out by leaning all over him. You simply see it as hugging because you are 90% of what the world is composed off, the ignorant masses, and my purpose is to 'correct' your thinking, to save you future 'corrections' from others, so don't take this as a flame.

I suggest you show fighters in general more respect, hopefully after this post you'd even show Strickland some respect, maybe I taught you something.

Dude, there are countless boxers and journalists who say the same thing I do about Ruiz. I did't come up with this conclusion on my own. I listened to those who are boxers and trainers who say Ruiz is a bum. I show fighters in general A LOT of respect. I don't have to respect Ruiz. Perhaps you learned something today : everyone has an opinion. Mine is just more correct than yours. ;)

Vitali Klitskcho wasn't the last white heavyweight champion since marciano, what about Ingemar Johansson who defeated Floyd patterson for the heavyweight title crown? He didn't last long though.

Dude, there are countless boxers and journalists who say the same thing I do about Ruiz. I did't come up with this conclusion on my own. I listened to those who are boxers and trainers who say Ruiz is a bum. I show fighters in general A LOT of respect. I don't have to respect Ruiz. Perhaps you learned something today : everyone has an opinion. Mine is just more correct than yours. ;)

"dude", how about you hook me up with some of your fruit snacks? only if it's cool with your mom though.

Disrespecting Ruiz because you don't like to watch hugging is ignorant. You arent a fighter, you don't know how it is to be in there with a guy who could unstuck your VW bug out of the mud with a left hook, understand? Take Bruno for example, they tested his power and it measured around 0.63 ton. When your brain is on the line, it means that the way you see the world, your mother****ing sense of smell, taste, and knowledge of who you are, friends,family,memory, is all on the line too. you risk it all just by going between those ropes into that square circle, looking at people like McClellan who took one bad shot behind the head, one bad punch made him a half deaf blind vegatable for life, left to be cared for by relatives. With this in mind, developing a hugging style that wins fights isn't exactly a bad idea. He overpowers the tendons before they hit him, weakening his opponent's punches, it's actually quite an interesting style to watch if you know what he's doing. When he's moving in and 'hugging' as you say, he is really probably not only blocking punches but weakening the punching muscles of the other guy, and also tiring the other guy out by leaning all over him. You simply see it as hugging because you are 90% of what the world is composed off, the ignorant masses, and my purpose is to 'correct' your thinking, to save you future 'corrections' from others, so don't take this as a flame.

I suggest you show fighters in general more respect, hopefully after this post you'd even show Strickland some respect, maybe I taught you something.
yes that is true, he does deserve some respect, anyone who steps into a boxing ring is a brave guy, and ruiz has worked hard to achieve where he is today, saying someone is boring is one thing, but not considering that the guy at least has some talent and should be given some respect is another

"dude", how about you hook me up with some of your fruit snacks? only if it's cool with your mom though.

You're fruity enough.

Jon Ruiz is White? Since when?

The fact that Vitali is white and the most DOMINANT and FORMIDDABLE hw since Marciano is why he still doesnt get the respect he'd get if he were black. It's like basketball, whites just never respected much anymore. Go to any boxing gym and fighters will tell you they'd love to have to fight a white guy. I think that perception is retarded but thats the way it is.

Jon Ruiz is White? Since when?

I will refer your question to a Puerto Rican.

As a puerto rican whos black, i can assure you, those puerto ricans with white skin and straight hair take more after their spanish/european counterparts, hes white.

"dude", how about you hook me up with some of your fruit snacks? only if it's cool with your mom though.

I just looked at your pictures. You like "fruit snacks" as in....little boys, I see.

Too bad bout Mesi is all I can say.

[QUOTE=joeboxer]why are only Americans referred to as the great white hope? QUOTE]


I personally, in the course of conversation, written or oral, refer to any white fighter as "the great white hope". I simply refer to them as a fighter. I guess people who bring skin tone into the conversation have a few issues they should work out, but that's just me.

Of course you people realize that hispanics are considered white in many census statistics.

Disrespecting Ruiz because you don't like to watch hugging is ignorant. You arent a fighter, you don't know how it is to be in there with a guy who could unstuck your VW bug out of the mud with a left hook, understand? Take Bruno for example, they tested his power and it measured around 0.63 ton. When your brain is on the line, it means that the way you see the world, your mother****ing sense of smell, taste, and knowledge of who you are, friends,family,memory, is all on the line too. you risk it all just by going between those ropes into that square circle, looking at people like McClellan who took one bad shot behind the head, one bad punch made him a half deaf blind vegatable for life, left to be cared for by relatives. With this in mind, developing a hugging style that wins fights isn't exactly a bad idea. He overpowers the tendons before they hit him, weakening his opponent's punches, it's actually quite an interesting style to watch if you know what he's doing. When he's moving in and 'hugging' as you say, he is really probably not only blocking punches but weakening the punching muscles of the other guy, and also tiring the other guy out by leaning all over him. You simply see it as hugging because you are 90% of what the world is composed off, the ignorant masses, and my purpose is to 'correct' your thinking, to save you future 'corrections' from others, so don't take this as a flame.

I suggest you show fighters in general more respect, hopefully after this post you'd even show Strickland some respect, maybe I taught you something.


Fantastic response. Especially :D at the unstuck your VW bug out of the mud with a left hook comment.

Have some karma

Fantastic response. Especially :D at the unstuck your VW bug out of the mud with a left hook comment.

Have some karma

Ruiz has a good left hook????? I thought he stick his left arm out and falls forward (which some call it a jab), only to grab on to his opponent. ;)

the great white hope only applies to white americans, joe mesi tommy mossison and tye feilds are white hypes, isnt ruiz liek a PR?

the great white hope only applies to white americans, joe mesi tommy mossison and tye feilds are white hypes, isnt ruiz liek a PR?


I know alot of people who even think he's Mexican.

I know alot of people who even think he's Mexican.


who cares its john ruiz