Rogers wants to brawl, fine so does Fedor and much better

Arlowski wants to box, that's alright too, cause Fedor will outbox him

Crocop wants to kickbox, Fedor beat him at kickboxing

Noguera wants to ground and pound or be on his back, no worries

Some japanese guy wants to judo him, but then Fedor is still better

Randleman wrestles with him for a minute and he's put on his damn back with a ****ed up shoulder and Fedor on top of him.

GSP can't strike no more or he's afraid to due to his ko loss to Serra
Silva is pretty much a striker

and those two are above Fedor p4p, unreal

agreed, fedor = p4p king

the way he just dove into nog's deadly guard and obliterated him with GnP was epic

but silva isn't just a striker, he has a black belt in BJJ, he just hasn't had to show his ground game as he prefers to strike

Arlowski wants to box, that's alright too, cause Fedor will outbox him

I don't think one right hand constitutes being outboxed. That was the only shot Fedor landed in that fight.

Noguera wants to ground and pound or be on his back, no worries

LOL @ thinking Nogueira is known for GnP


GSP can't strike no more or he's afraid to due to his ko loss to Serra

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Anyone who sits there and says he doesn't strike or is afraid to is an idiot.

And GSP doesn't beat guys at their own game?

He outwrestled Kos
Outboxed and Out Grappled BJ Penn
He outstruck Alves
He completely tooled Fitch everywhere.

How is that not beating guys at their own game?

Silva is pretty much a striker

Wrong

agreed, fedor = p4p king

the way he just dove into nog's deadly guard and obliterated him with GnP was epic

What I find crazy is that MMA fans or experts call striking disciplines as boxing, kickboxing and muythai one-dimensional, yet the the two guys that they have in their p4p list for the most part are one-dimensional regardless how great they are. GSP is the best wrestler in MMA and Anderson possibly the best striker. They are both great and I have nothing against them, but following the logic of a MMA fan or expert in MMA you should be master of all assets, ground and stand-up and that is what Fedor is.

gsp and silva are both black belts in jiu jitsu

I don't think one right hand constitutes being outboxed. That was the only shot Fedor landed in that fight.



LOL @ thinking Nogueira is known for GnP



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Anyone who sits there and says he doesn't strike or is afraid to is an idiot.

And GSP doesn't beat guys at their own game?

He outwrestled Kos
Outboxed and Out Grappled BJ Penn
He outstruck Alves
He completely tooled Fitch everywhere.

How is that not beating guys at their own game?



Wrong

Outboxed BJ Penn, you're out of your mind, outstruck Alves, you're at the point of no return.

Showing me a couple of highlights highlighting GSP's crazy striking don't mean nada, you gotta be consistent with it and GSP hasn't been since the Serra fight with the sole exception of the Fitch fight. GSP may be showing flashes of brilliant striking as of lat but it's just that flashes.

gsp and silva are both black belts in jiu jitsu

well that's excellent, I think msot guys are blackbelt and Fedor probably doesn't even have a yellow belt and jiu jitsu and is still better than them in their own sport. I am talking about striking with GSP and ground game with Silva.

Outboxed BJ Penn, you're out of your mind, outstruck Alves, you're at the point of no return.

He out boxed and out grappled BJ, watch the fight again.

He knocked Alves down twice in their fight. Go watch it again. Alves didn't have GSP in trouble once on the feet and he was supposed to be this great striker. Give me a break.

Showing me a couple of highlights highlighting GSP's crazy striking don't mean nada, you gotta be consistent with it and GSP hasn't been since the Serra fight with the sole exception of the Fitch fight. GSP may be showing flashes of brilliant striking as of lat but it's just that flashes.

And a one punch KO from Fedor is not a flash? Get the **** out of here with your bull****.

Arlovski and Bret were both put away with one punch. Impressive, yes, but how can you sit there and say that that automatically makes him a consistent striker. Does he have to land every punch or light him up with combos for two rounds before he finally finished him to make a case for him having good striking?

You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

well that's excellent, I think msot guys are blackbelt and Fedor probably doesn't even have a yellow belt and jiu jitsu and is still better than them in their own sport. I am talking about striking with GSP and ground game with Silva.

Jiu Jitsu is not a ground game?

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What I find crazy is that MMA fans or experts call striking disciplines as boxing, kickboxing and muythai one-dimensional, yet the the two guys that they have in their p4p list for the most part are one-dimensional regardless how great they are. GSP is the best wrestler in MMA and Anderson possibly the best striker. They are both great and I have nothing against them, but following the logic of a MMA fan or expert in MMA you should be master of all assets, ground and stand-up and that is what Fedor is.

GSP and silva are NOT one dimensional man, silva is primarily a striker but he also has a black belt in BJJ, he just hasn't had to show it so far. GSP isn't one dimensional either, he has GREAT wrestling, is a black belt in BJJ and has decent striking, that isn't one dimensional, I'll tell you who is one dimensional, matt hughes is what you would call a one dimensional fighter.

well that's excellent, I think msot guys are blackbelt and Fedor probably doesn't even have a yellow belt and jiu jitsu and is still better than them in their own sport. I am talking about striking with GSP and ground game with Silva.

fedor's main grappling style is sambo, in which he is a world champion...

and like I said silva has a black belt in BJJ (which is a ground game style) and GSP has decent striking, but his amazing wrestling and BJJ black belt more than make up for.

GSP and silva are NOT one dimensional man, silva is primarily a striker but he also has a black belt in BJJ, he just hasn't had to show it so far. GSP isn't one dimensional either, he has GREAT wrestling, is a black belt in BJJ and has decent striking, that isn't one dimensional, I'll tell you who is one dimensional, matt hughes is what you would call a one dimensional fighter.

Exactly, if GSP was so one dimensional he would have probably been knocked out by Alves. But instead it was GSP winning the exchanges standing up and knocking Alves down.

Other one dimensional fighters

Mark Coleman
Tank Abbott
Jake Shields
Jacare
Damien Maia
Mike Pierce

He out boxed and out grappled BJ, watch the fight again.

He knocked Alves down twice in their fight. Go watch it again. Alves didn't have GSP in trouble once on the feet and he was supposed to be this great striker. Give me a break.



And a one punch KO from Fedor is not a flash? Get the **** out of here with your bull****.

Arlovski and Bret were both put away with one punch. Impressive, yes, but how can you sit there and say that that automatically makes him a consistent striker. Does he have to land every punch or light him up with combos for two rounds before he finally finished him to make a case for him having good striking?

You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

It's not Fedor's fault that they fall down after one punch, striking is striking whether you win by one punch or a thousand is irrelevant, the point is if Fedor is always winning so you can call his one punch ko's flukes and he sets them up too so...

I am not bashing GSP and Anderson because before I was a Fedor fan I was a GSP fan but his Hieron days are over and you would never ever see that striking from GSP unless he fights a superior wrestler which won't happen or he moves up in weight and his wrestling is diminished. That's not a knock on GSP but when we talk about combination of skill and the efficiency of it. Let's say GSP and Silva are behind Fedor.

It's not Fedor's fault that they fall down after one punch, striking is striking whether you win by one punch or a thousand is irrelevant, the point is if Fedor is always winning so you can call his one punch ko's flukes and he sets them up too so...

I never said they were flukes. You said to be considered as having good striking, you need to be consistent. But if Fedor is knocking guys out with one punch, and GSP is outstriking guys for entire fights, devoid of finishing them that way, How does that make Fedor the more consistent, efficient striker and how does that make GSP afraid to strike, or make him a one dimensional fighter?

You are a fairweather fan jumping from one bandwagon to the next when a fighter you used to be a fan of, doesn't exceed your expectations.

GSP and silva are NOT one dimensional man, silva is primarily a striker but he also has a black belt in BJJ, he just hasn't had to show it so far. GSP isn't one dimensional either, he has GREAT wrestling, is a black belt in BJJ and has decent striking, that isn't one dimensional, I'll tell you who is one dimensional, matt hughes is what you would call a one dimensional fighter.

To be fair to myself and you guys, calling smb like GSP and Anderson one-dimensional is a little harsh and an exaggeration as I am trying to make a point in comparing them to Fedor. And that's all I am saying Fedor is the only guy out there that can beat you at your own game time and time again. I don't ever envision Silva to outwrestle Hendo or GSP to outstrike Penn, Serra and Alves on his feet the whole fight. Alves is a good striker, Penn I believe is average and Serra is worse but looks better just like Penn cause the guys he's fought ar so bad at it.

I never said they were flukes. You said to be considered as having good striking, you need to be consistent. But if Fedor is knocking guys out with one punch, and GSP is outstriking guys for entire fights, devoid of finishing them that way, How does that make Fedor the more consistent, efficient striker and how does that make GSP afraid to strike, or make him a one dimensional fighter?

You are a fairweather fan jumping from one bandwagon to the next when a fighter you used to be a fan of, doesn't exceed your expectations.

The point is in which fight did GSP used mainly striking. He did well against Fitch at time becase I belive Fitch is terrible at it. He tried against Serra thinking that Serra would be tough to take down and the short reach too and then he got tagged too many times. He did have a kick or a superman punch against Alves but you don't believe that if he decided to strike with Alves on a consistent basis he would've gotten the better of it.

To be fair to myself and you guys, calling smb like GSP and Anderson one-dimensional is a little harsh and an exaggeration as I am trying to make a point in comparing them to Fedor. And that's all I am saying Fedor is the only guy out there that can beat you at your own game time and time again. I don't ever envision Silva to outwrestle Hendo or GSP to outstrike Penn, Serra and Alves on his feet the whole fight. Alves is a good striker, Penn I believe is average and Serra is worse but looks better just like Penn cause the guys he's fought ar so bad at it.

and I agree with you there, fedor beats everyone at their own game, people like to rag on him for having wild, "sloppy" striking but that is bull****, it works for MMA and that's all that matters, comapre that with someone like sherk who has far more "technical" boxing but it is far less effective

I just disagreed with you saying gsp and anderson are 1 dimensional

The point is in which fight did GSP used mainly striking. He did well against Fitch at time becase I belive Fitch is terrible at it. He tried against Serra thinking that Serra would be tough to take down and the short reach too and then he got tagged too many times. He did have a kick or a superman punch against Alves but you don't believe that if he decided to strike with Alves on a consistent basis he would've gotten the better of it.

And it what fights does Fedor use all striking? Not very many. This is MMA why is a guy that takes the fight to the ground always chastised?

I do believe that GSP could get the better of any exchanges against almost anyone. As long as GSP's opponent is on his toes in fear of the takedown, GSP can do anything he wants to him. Including striking

and I agree with you there, fedor beats everyone at their own game, people like to rag on him for having wild, "sloppy" striking but that is bull****, it works for MMA and that's all that matters, comapre that with someone like sherk who has far more "technical" boxing but it is far less effective

I just disagreed with you saying gsp and anderson are 1 dimensional

I agree I am a boxing fan first and foremost and Fedor's technique looks sloppy but fighting isn't won on style points unless you're Machida I guess. Sloppy or not, nobody's got more accurate and effective striking game.
Sherk is terrible I have no idea why he would fight guys stand-up when he could have better success against them on the ground.
I remember also I believe Diego Sanches had a training with Oscar and he felt that he was a better striker, I think he lost to Koshchek cause he was trying to strike with him, maybe cause he though Josh was still that aweful at striking as his UF days.

And it what fights does Fedor use all striking? Not very many. This is MMA why is a guy that takes the fight to the ground always chastised?

I do believe that GSP could get the better of any exchanges against almost anyone. As long as GSP's opponent is on his toes in fear of the takedown, GSP can do anything he wants to him. Including striking

Serra is a very good example as to why GSP prefers wrestling. He shows his amazing striking abilities here and there, and looking at them individually he wins all the style points. However, if he keeps striking with people even below average strikers like Serra he could be hurt bad.

Fedor fought Mirco for almost 30 mins on his feet striking with him.

GSP doesn't fight 2/3rd of a round on his feet lately. Unless he locks somebody in a wrestling lock like Penn.

Exactly, if GSP was so one dimensional he would have probably been knocked out by Alves. But instead it was GSP winning the exchanges standing up and knocking Alves down.

Other one dimensional fighters

Mark Coleman
Tank Abbott
Jake Shields
Jacare
Damien Maia
Mike Pierce


Georges St.Pierre wins fights because his opponents are aware of his takedowns,he throws jabs out of desperation and is terrified at putting together combinations.He wouldn't have been knocked out as Alves wasn't able to defend his takedowns.Georges St.Pierre is as one dimensional as any MMGAY fighter as there is.

Georges St.Pierre wins fights because his opponents are aware of his takedowns,he throws jabs out of desperation and is terrified at putting together combinations.He wouldn't have been knocked out as Alves wasn't able to defend his takedowns.Georges St.Pierre is as one dimensional as any MMGAY fighter as there is.

if MMA is so gay then why do you spend more time in this section than anyone? why do you watch all the big MMA events? why did you watch strikeforce yesterday?

you say it is gay yet you watch every event and talk about it in this section

what a joke...

Well I won't say that there is a gay aspect of MMA, not in the cage although some positions are very suggestive, but I've noticed some gays in the audiences when I've been to bars cheering for guys, nothing wrong with that as I went to a theatre with a ko worker who was admiring the guys' bodies and found out he was gay:), that was during the GSP vs Serra 1 fight and he was admiring the tattoos of this guy that is going to the movies that fights at 150 or smth, spanish guy with tights and good looks I guess.

But you're right about one thing, GSP DOES NOT THROW COMBOS ANYMORE, he's afraid he would get countered. He's one punch at a time guy.

Serra is a very good example as to why GSP prefers wrestling. He shows his amazing striking abilities here and there, and looking at them individually he wins all the style points. However, if he keeps striking with people even below average strikers like Serra he could be hurt bad.

Fedor fought Mirco for almost 30 mins on his feet striking with him.

GSP doesn't fight 2/3rd of a round on his feet lately. Unless he locks somebody in a wrestling lock like Penn.

Completely wrong, Cro Cop won the first round of that fight with striking, Fedor then took the fight to the ground and gnp Mirko for the rest of the fight. Fedor broke his hand early in the fight.

Completely wrong, Cro Cop won the first round of that fight with striking,

oooh...Im gonna have to disagree with you on that one. Cro Cop got a few damaging hits in the first half of the first round, but then Fedor controlled him on the ground in the last half of the FIRST ROUND.

Though it wouldn't have mattered, because the scoring in Pride wasn't by round by round, but rather the whole fight.

Completely wrong, Cro Cop won the first round of that fight with striking, Fedor then took the fight to the ground and gnp Mirko for the rest of the fight. Fedor broke his hand early in the fight.

Well, you need to watch the fight again because everytime Fedor went to the ground to ground and pound, it was Mirko that initiated it. Mirko did have some success in the first but that was it that was all. So pretty much a kickboxer would rather take it to the ground against a Sambo fighter, that's what Fedor does to you. Just watch the 3rd round, Fedor outstrikes Mirko bad and then Miko wants to take him down but this is Fedor so Fedor grounds and pounds him. Fedor would've standed with him all along if Mirko wasn't afraid of his bombs.

And if you want to know how great Mirko was on his feet check this vid out against Remi Bojanski

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