View Full Version : [HOLY S**T!] Fedor Emelianenko is ****ing unreal!
Toney Loc 11-08-2009, 01:25 AM This guy got his nose broken with the first JAB that landed on him and kept on fighting at an insane pace. He showed incredible explosiveness for a man his size and has titanium in his fists.
Fedor is a a CHAMPION in every sense of the word, what an AMAZING fighter. I almost feel blessed to witness his performances. :up:
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Easy-E 11-08-2009, 01:46 AM Exciting fight. Shame he came in fat and looked a bit sloppy.
The Underboss 11-08-2009, 01:52 AM sloppy or not, he got the job done.
MJ406 11-08-2009, 01:54 AM He's pretty bad ass
wonder who's next
my guess would be Wedum or Overeem
He's pretty bad ass
wonder who's next
my guess would be Wedum or Overeem
hopefully it will be early next year
Freedom. 11-08-2009, 03:48 AM This guy got his nose broken with the first JAB that landed on him and kept on fighting at an insane pace. He showed incredible explosiveness for a man his size and has titanium in his fists.
Fedor is a a CHAMPION in every sense of the word, what an AMAZING fighter. I almost feel blessed to witness his performances. :up:
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Great post! :fing02:
Freedom. 11-08-2009, 03:50 AM Exciting fight. Shame he came in fat and looked a bit sloppy.
Fedor's always been like that. But most MMA fans are not gay, so they are more interested in how well he FIGHTS rather than what he LOOKS LIKE.
Shiranui 11-08-2009, 04:41 AM I think the sound quality on most of these video uploads of the fight is screwed - when that shot connected live it was one of the loudest I've heard in combat sports in quite a while.
Clegg 11-08-2009, 04:45 AM Just watched it, very good fight
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Spray_resistant 11-08-2009, 05:00 AM That fight had everything, powerful striking, some grappling, the uneasy moments where both men were in trouble, and a dramatic ko......Rogers put up a good effort but was in there with the real deal tonight.
That fight had everything, powerful striking, some grappling, the uneasy moments where both men were in trouble, and a dramatic ko......Rogers put up a good effort but was in there with the real deal tonight.
yap, great fight, Compare that to some of the 1st round fights in the utimate fighter 10.
tocayito1 11-08-2009, 06:43 AM fedor looked great and his power and timing were impressive but he wasnt fighting a championship caliber of a fighter....rodgers has no standup and no great game just power he had no chance in hell of winning
Clegg 11-08-2009, 06:47 AM fedor looked great and his power and timing were impressive but he wasnt fighting a championship caliber of a fighter....rodgers has no standup and no great game just power he had no chance in hell of winning
Rogers did better than a lot of people have vs Fedor, no?
tommy boo boxer 11-08-2009, 08:02 AM fedor looked great and his power and timing were impressive but he wasnt fighting a championship caliber of a fighter....rodgers has no standup and no great game just power he had no chance in hell of winning
dude.. your post
Rogers did better than a lot of people have vs Fedor, no?
got owned
fathergll 11-08-2009, 10:55 AM I think the sound quality on most of these video uploads of the fight is screwed - when that shot connected live it was one of the loudest I've heard in combat sports in quite a while.
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I had that going on my surround sound...that shot was ****ing loud. Unreal
That was a grewat fight ohmmanananna he never gives up. FEDOR is the MANNNN
MindBat 11-08-2009, 11:21 AM This guy got his nose broken with the first JAB that landed on him and kept on fighting at an insane pace. He showed incredible explosiveness for a man his size and has titanium in his fists.
Fedor is a a CHAMPION in every sense of the word, what an AMAZING fighter. I almost feel blessed to witness his performances. :up:
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You have just been a witness to history in the making.
sloppy or not, he got the job done.
Exactly.
I think the sound quality on most of these video uploads of the fight is screwed - when that shot connected live it was one of the loudest I've heard in combat sports in quite a while.
It was the shot heard around the world.
That fight had everything, powerful striking, some grappling, the uneasy moments where both men were in trouble, and a dramatic ko......Rogers put up a good effort but was in there with the real deal tonight.
It couldn't have been scripted any better. If all fights were like that, the attraction to the sport would be mega-phenomenal.
Fedor has a knack for bringing excitement to every bout. A genuine fighter and showman. His humble demeanor is quite deceiving.
MindBat 11-08-2009, 11:25 AM fedor looked great and his power and timing were impressive but he wasnt fighting a championship caliber of a fighter....rodgers has no standup and no great game just power he had no chance in hell of winning
Rogers' flaws: No killer instinct and moments of hesitation.
You can't do that against The Last Emperor
Rogers was just befuddled and overwhelmed by a much better conditioned fighter.
Easy-E 11-08-2009, 02:53 PM Fedor's always been like that. But most MMA fans are not gay, so they are more interested in how well he FIGHTS rather than what he LOOKS LIKE.
I am more concerned with what type of shape he was in and how his training and conditioning went and whether that is a sign of lack of motivation.
Strange how I am gay for noticing he looked out of shape, yet you noticed that Fedor ALWAYS comes in like that....meaning you have studied his physique over his career...
strange.
(btw, Fedor never comes in cut, but he looked overweight and out of shape imo)
Easy-E 11-08-2009, 02:55 PM Rogers did better than a lot of people have vs Fedor, no?
He did look good against Fedor, no doubt he is strong and an ox and landed some good shots. When he got on top of Fedor I was literally shocked.
putaloco 11-08-2009, 03:00 PM fedor=beast
roby_acer 11-08-2009, 03:02 PM Does anyone know where I can download this fight? Hq? good quality?
I do hl's and I havent done an mma one in a minute so id like to do one with fedor.
Please help
MindBat 11-08-2009, 03:17 PM fedor looked great and his power and timing were impressive but he wasnt fighting a championship caliber of a fighter....rodgers has no standup and no great game just power he had no chance in hell of winning
Rogers had Fedor in a position where most fighters succumb to ground and pound. Many thought Rogers would take him out with at least one of those blows he was raining down on Fedor. He appeared to gas himself out in that one.
Stoppage 11-08-2009, 03:18 PM It was a very good fight. They both put on a great performance.
That knockout punch was amazing.
Junito-Rulez 11-08-2009, 03:20 PM Fedor is still the man, great fight, great performance from both fighters. Fedor's most dangerous opponents are IMO:
1)Overeem, i always felt that Overeem had the style to bother him. He's tremendously huge, strong as hell, has wolrd class kickboxing and a very solid grappling/wrestling game. His chin seems even better than it was at 205.
2) Barnett: is very well rounded, has KO power, improved on his striking and has great leglocks and ground control but he wouldn't beat him. I think Barnett is still too slow and lacks coordination to beat Fedor.
3) Lesnar: physically the strongest man in the division. Great wrestler, very good control, quick has hell. Lesnar could hold Fedor on the fences and work for a cut. Rogers who is a lesser wrestler with similar power had some good GNP action in his fight.
Fedor would still beat him coz he's just a much better boxer and a much harder hitter. Lesnar has never been hit in his MMA career, Fedor would take away his confidence. Plus Fedor has better hips than Mir.
Princemanspopa 11-08-2009, 03:51 PM FRAUDor looked mediocre against a C level fighter.You would think his nuthuggers would see such a performance and question his claim to greatness,but no,they continue to be awed by this modern day Frank Abagnale.
MindBat 11-08-2009, 04:00 PM Overeem is strong as is Lesnar. I'm just saying one small mistake against Emilianenko, and it's all over.
All it takes is one small mistake.
snakey112 11-08-2009, 04:16 PM FRAUDor looked mediocre against a C level fighter.You would think his nuthuggers would see such a performance and question his claim to greatness,but no,they continue to be awed by this modern day Frank Abagnale.
wtf are you talking about, redor looked FAR from mediocre, he beat rogers at his own game
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Princemanspopa 11-08-2009, 04:29 PM He was on his back absorbing punches from a guy who I doubt would have ever thought that he would end up in such a position.Brett Rogers easily got back up to his feet when he was thrown to the ground and look at how easy he backed up FRAUDor against the cage.
I can see why he didn't want to sign with the UFC.The UFC holds many strong wrestlers who would do the very same thing to FRAUDor only even worse,Rogers is nothing more than a brawler and yet he managed to give FRAUDor a very tough fight.
snakey112 11-08-2009, 04:41 PM He was on his back absorbing punches from a guy who I doubt would have ever thought that he would end up in such a position.Brett Rogers easily got back up to his feet when he was thrown to the ground and look at how easy he backed up FRAUDor against the cage.
I can see why he didn't want to sign with the UFC.The UFC holds many strong wrestlers who would do the very same thing to FRAUDor only even worse,Rogers is nothing more than a brawler and yet he managed to give FRAUDor a very tough fight.
Have you ever seen Fedor fight? He DOES get put into trouble from time to time. rocked by fujita, almost kimura'd by mark hunt, slammed on his head by kevin randleman, absorb a Crocop kick only to smash them seconds later. It happens. when Rogers was dropping bombs Fedor was setting up the armbar, watch it again and you will see, if that GnP actually was doing damage fedor would be covering up rather than trying to se up the armbar. Just because Rogers bloodied his nose and pushed him around the cage a bit means nothing. Fedor ended him in a spectacular fashion like he always does (despite the weight difference). There was nothing in this fight that made fedor look mediocre. All this fight showed was fedor's unique ability to stay calm and wait for his oppertunity after having his nose broken at the very beginning of the fight, that's the type of fighter fedor is, he may get into trouble from time to time but he always finds a way to win.
Princemanspopa 11-08-2009, 09:33 PM Have you ever seen Fedor fight? He DOES get put into trouble from time to time. rocked by fujita, almost kimura'd by mark hunt, slammed on his head by kevin randleman, absorb a Crocop kick only to smash them seconds later. It happens. when Rogers was dropping bombs Fedor was setting up the armbar, watch it again and you will see, if that GnP actually was doing damage fedor would be covering up rather than trying to se up the armbar. Just because Rogers bloodied his nose and pushed him around the cage a bit means nothing. Fedor ended him in a spectacular fashion like he always does (despite the weight difference). There was nothing in this fight that made fedor look mediocre. All this fight showed was fedor's unique ability to stay calm and wait for his oppertunity after having his nose broken at the very beginning of the fight, that's the type of fighter fedor is, he may get into trouble from time to time but he always finds a way to win.
Oh,yes.He was willingly getting punched in the face by a 260 pound man.He didn't end up on his back on purpose,he was absolutely terrified when he was put in that position and getting punched in the face.He got manhandled in the clinch by a brawler who has no grappling credentials and couldn't keep this C level brawler on the ground either.
It was a desperate performance,he wasn't calm at all and fortunately enough for him it ended with one lucky punch where Brett Rogers weak chin failed him.
Toney Loc 11-08-2009, 09:39 PM He was on his back absorbing punches from a guy who I doubt would have ever thought that he would end up in such a position.Brett Rogers easily got back up to his feet when he was thrown to the ground and look at how easy he backed up FRAUDor against the cage.
I can see why he didn't want to sign with the UFC.The UFC holds many strong wrestlers who would do the very same thing to FRAUDor only even worse,Rogers is nothing more than a brawler and yet he managed to give FRAUDor a very tough fight.
Fedor pwnz wrestlers. Coleman x2, Randleman, Lindland, Fujita.
Wrestlers are begging to get armbarred when they take down Fedor.
snakey112 11-08-2009, 09:40 PM Oh,yes.He was willingly getting punched in the face by a 260 pound man.He didn't end up on his back on purpose,he was absolutely terrified when he was put in that position and getting punched in the face.He got manhandled in the clinch by a brawler who has no grappling credentials and couldn't keep this C level brawler on the ground either.
It was a desperate performance,he wasn't calm at all and fortunately enough for him it ended with one lucky punch where Brett Rogers weak chin failed him.
nonsense, not once was fedor "terrified" in that fight, like I said if those 2 or 3 punches from rogers did any damage he would be covering up but he wasn't since he was going for the armbar, like I said that's the type of fighter he is and always has been, Fedor has never been invincible or immune from damage.
Two of his most shining moments include him being launched head over heels and onto his neck by a rabid Kevin Randlman and doing the chicken dance after being nearly knocked silly by Fujita.
His aura comes not from being immune from damage, it comes from his calm demeanor, non-flashy behavior, unathletic-looking body, perseverance, performance and finally, his record. The man is a legend for a reason, and it's not because he simply runs through every opponent he faces.
and no that was FAR from a "lucky punch"
tocayito1 11-08-2009, 09:40 PM Rogers did better than a lot of people have vs Fedor, no?
he did way better than he had any right to but he was never really in the fight he was trying to bully his way in and not really using any skill to do it....he got gassed really fast and i just dont think he was ever in the fight....but he was escaping submission attempts that would sometimes get him in good positions
tocayito1 11-08-2009, 09:44 PM Rogers had Fedor in a position where most fighters succumb to ground and pound. Many thought Rogers would take him out with at least one of those blows he was raining down on Fedor. He appeared to gas himself out in that one.
yea thats true but the only reason he got in that position was because fedor went for an armbar and didnt get it but it was impressive that fedor took about 3 or 4 hard shots...and i cant believe that rodgers wouldnt go into the biggest fight of his life in the best condition possible that is just retarded
Blair_Wells#32 11-08-2009, 09:45 PM :nonono: do not compare Lesnar,Carwin and Valasquez to any of those washed up dinosaurs and i wouldn't be to proud of the lindland fight he's pretty much a middleweight.
snakey112 11-08-2009, 09:53 PM :nonono: do not compare Lesnar,Carwin and Valasquez to any of those washed up dinosaurs and i wouldn't be to proud of the lindland fight he's pretty much a middleweight.
so is fedor if you really think about it
Blair_Wells#32 11-08-2009, 10:03 PM lindland came into that fight weight what 190 and fedor was around 235 45 pound difference and he gets praised for that fight.....yet brock comes into a fight outweighing his opponents by 20-30 pounds and gets ripped for it.
i just dont' get it with Fedor fans it seems he can do no wrong :lol1:
pesticid 11-08-2009, 10:06 PM He can't cause he also fights guys who weigh 300 and 400 pounds.
Besides if Couture can go all the way up to fight Silvia why can't Lindland.
snakey112 11-08-2009, 10:08 PM lindland came into that fight weight what 190 and fedor was around 235 45 pound difference and he gets praised for that fight.....yet brock comes into a fight outweighing his opponents by 20-30 pounds and gets ripped for it.
i just dont' get it with Fedor fans it seems he can do no wrong :lol1:
yeah that's just one fight, you forgot pretty much all of his other fights where he is outweighed by a huge amount since he is such a small heavyweight, anderson silva is bigger than most of his MW opponents yet he doesn't get any **** from anyone
kswizzy99 11-08-2009, 10:29 PM This guy got his nose broken with the first JAB that landed on him and kept on fighting at an insane pace. He showed incredible explosiveness for a man his size and has titanium in his fists.
Fedor is a a CHAMPION in every sense of the word, what an AMAZING fighter. I almost feel blessed to witness his performances. :up:
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fedor is the man no doubt. no one in strike force will even give him a challenge. he needs to get his 2 other fights over with and sign with the UFC where the real action is at. Fedor vs Lesnar is gonna be the biggest mma fight in history.
Blair_Wells#32 11-08-2009, 11:00 PM couture started as a heavyweight and his natural weight is around LHW and HW while lindland is a natural 185.
MW is Andersons fight weight he's not much bigger then his opponents, Patrick Cote same size, Nate Marquardt same size, Rich Franklin i'd say was bigger then Silva, if Anderson fought someone like say BJ Penn then you can campare him to Fedor Vs Lindland.
Believe it or not i watched Pride when it was around an caught all of Fedors fights what bigger fighters were you talking about that im supposed to be impressed with? Semmy Shilt? a guy with zero ground game and hardly any take down defense? Zuluzinho? the same guy who got beat by butterbean :lol1: or Hong Man Choi? i never really understood that fight the guy was huge with giant reach and a good kickboxing backround yet like a dumbass he brings the game to the ground against fedor i smell a rat with this fight some backstage influence from the japanese promoters perhaps.
i'll give you this though for one of the big guys he fought i was very impressed when he took the fight to Sylvia and knocked him on his ass and choked him out, i really thought Sylvia would use his reach and grind out his usual decision win.
i also loved Fedors wars with CroCop and Nogeura but his decision to continue fighting cans with Strikeforce really got on my nerves i truly believe he is ducking the ufc and protecting his legacy, but dont' take my word for it, CroCop a friend of Fedors even came forward awhile back an laid claim to the same thing i said, not enough Fedors own brother also had some similar comments but he layed the blame with his managers protecting Fedor.
Fedor vs Brock, Fedor Vs Carwin, Fedor Vs Valasquez, Fedor Vs Dos Santos, Fedor Vs Mir
those are the fights i want to see not Fedor Vs some can that would be crushed by any of the fighters i've named above.
outside of the UFC the only fighters i'd like to see Fedor fight are Jeff Monson who i think would give Fedor a decent run for his money on the ground, and a rematch with Andrei Arlovski who has dumped his boxing dreams and is rejuvenating his MMA skills with Greg jacksons camp.
:thinking: that went a little longer then i thought it would :lol1: but any rebuttles(think thats spelled right lol) are welcome.
GroundSt.Pound 11-08-2009, 11:09 PM Brett Rogers weak chin failed him.
Wow. Seriously???
That shot would have laid out anybody. I don't give a **** who you are.
Stop being a cunt and stinking up this section with your bull****
Juggernaut 11-08-2009, 11:09 PM couture started as a heavyweight and his natural weight is around LHW and HW while lindland is a natural 185.
MW is Andersons fight weight he's not much bigger then his opponents, Patrick Cote same size, Nate Marquardt same size, Rich Franklin i'd say was bigger then Silva, if Anderson fought someone like say BJ Penn then you can campare him to Fedor Vs Lindland.
Believe it or not i watched Pride when it was around an caught all of Fedors fights what bigger fighters were you talking about that im supposed to be impressed with? Semmy Shilt? a guy with zero ground game and hardly any take down defense? Zuluzinho? the same guy who got beat by butterbean :lol1: or Hong Man Choi? i never really understood that fight the guy was huge with giant reach and a good kickboxing backround yet like a dumbass he brings the game to the ground against fedor i smell a rat with this fight some backstage influence from the japanese promoters perhaps.
i'll give you this though for one of the big guys he fought i was very impressed when he took the fight to Sylvia and knocked him on his ass and choked him out, i really thought Sylvia would use his reach and grind out his usual decision win.
i also loved Fedors wars with CroCop and Nogeura but his decision to continue fighting cans with Strikeforce really got on my nerves i truly believe he is ducking the ufc and protecting his legacy, but dont' take my word for it, CroCop a friend of Fedors even came forward awhile back an laid claim to the same thing i said, not enough Fedors own brother also had some similar comments but he layed the blame with his managers protecting Fedor.
Fedor vs Brock, Fedor Vs Carwin, Fedor Vs Valasquez, Fedor Vs Dos Santos, Fedor Vs Mir
those are the fights i want to see not Fedor Vs some can that would be crushed by any of the fighters i've named above.
outside of the UFC the only fighters i'd like to see Fedor fight are Jeff Monson who i think would give Fedor a decent run for his money on the ground, and a rematch with Andrei Arlovski who has dumped his boxing dreams and is rejuvenating his MMA skills with Greg jacksons camp.
:thinking: that went a little longer then i thought it would :lol1: but any rebuttles(think thats spelled right lol) are welcome.
My question is, what determines a can? Whether they fight in the UFC or not?
It's like this question, Had Anderson Silva fought and beat the same calibur opponents as he did in the UFC, but instead outside of the UFC, would he still be considered in conversations of P4P ranks?
Let alone that Rogers already KO'd Arlovski quicker than it takes to make minute rice. If Rogers had a UFC substitute, it would've been Shane Carwin.
About Fedor not going to the UFC there was probably more to the fact that M-1 Global wants a good share of the money with a fed that Fedor fights in (which is probably why Dana and the UFC told them to go **** them selves when they offered a co-promotion with the UFC).
GroundSt.Pound 11-08-2009, 11:13 PM My question is, what determines a can? Whether they fight in the UFC or not?
A Can is an inferior fighter or player (often an unknown or one with a poor record) that is set against the favorite solely for the purpose of losing and making the latter look good.
So an example of a can would be Hong Man Choi and Zulu
Juggernaut 11-08-2009, 11:15 PM A is an inferior fighter or player (often an unknown or one with a poor record) that is set against the favorite solely for the purpose of losing and making the latter look good.
So an example of a can would be Hong Man Choi and Zulu
Thanks for the definition in general, I mean in the context of his argument. He mentioned cans in Strikeforce, but guys like Werdum and Cinderella Man Overeem are far from cans (Unless Overeem has been really using roids)
GroundSt.Pound 11-08-2009, 11:18 PM Thanks for the definition in general, I mean in the context of his argument. He mentioned cans in Strikeforce, but guys like Werdum and Cinderella Man Overeem are far from cans (Unless Overeem has been really using roids)
Well Werdum and Overeem are far from cans. Overeem is a very, very solid fighter with K-1 Level Stand-up and a very respectable ground game.
But in the context that he is speaking. Even though they are good fighters, Fedor (with his skills and resume) on paper makes them look like cans. Even though they aren't.
At least that's what it sounds like.
tocayito1 11-08-2009, 11:21 PM A Can is an inferior fighter or player (often an unknown or one with a poor record) that is set against the favorite solely for the purpose of losing and making the latter look good.
So an example of a can would be Hong Man Choi and Zulu
you dont consider rodgers a can? besides arlovski he hasnt beaten any one and his win over arlovski doesnt mean hes better it means he hits hard.....the other guys he has beaten arent good enough to even be an undercard fight....he beat no one besides arlovski and only got the shot because he looked impressive in his win....hes not good standing horrendous and the ground in no way shape or form is he a contender
Juggernaut 11-08-2009, 11:23 PM Well Werdum and Overeem are far from cans. Overeem is a very, very solid fighter with K-1 Level Stand-up and a very respectable ground game.
But in the context that he is speaking. Even though they are good fighters, Fedor (with his skills and resume) on paper makes them look like cans. Even though they aren't.
At least that's what it sounds like.
Maybe it's my tendency to think some people are blinded by the UFC logo (I'm not saying Blair Wells is).
It's like computer users, Mac users think anything that comes out of Apple is far more superior. Same with some UFC fighters, just because they fight for the UFC they're far more superior against everyone else, however, that kind of hype happened to Pride fighters and looked what happened (Fedor included, thank goodness he hasn't lost yet). Of course UFC has some of the best fighters in the world.
GroundSt.Pound 11-08-2009, 11:32 PM you dont consider rodgers a can? besides arlovski he hasnt beaten any one and his win over arlovski doesnt mean hes better it means he hits hard.....the other guys he has beaten arent good enough to even be an undercard fight....he beat no one besides arlovski and only got the shot because he looked impressive in his win....hes not good standing horrendous and the ground in no way shape or form is he a contender
Usually a can would put up much less of a fight than Rogers did. But I wouldn't call him a can. Zulu is a can, Rogers is a flash in the pan.
Juggernaut 11-08-2009, 11:35 PM you dont consider rodgers a can? besides arlovski he hasnt beaten any one and his win over arlovski doesnt mean hes better it means he hits hard.....the other guys he has beaten arent good enough to even be an undercard fight....he beat no one besides arlovski and only got the shot because he looked impressive in his win...
Though thats the mystery of MMA, pit lesser known to a well known. THeres been a lot of upsets in MMA because of the variety of styles in MMA. Just because Rogers beat some guys no one has heard before or few knows and then goes up to beat a big name, doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a shot, ask Lesnar after he beat Herring to a decision and was given a chance to face Couture.
I think these large amounts of upsets in MMA is what gives it hard time for those to accept MMA as a legit enough sport.
tocayito1 11-09-2009, 12:11 AM Though thats the mystery of MMA, pit lesser known to a well known. THeres been a lot of upsets in MMA because of the variety of styles in MMA. Just because Rogers beat some guys no one has heard before or few knows and then goes up to beat a big name, doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a shot, ask Lesnar after he beat Herring to a decision and was given a chance to face Couture.
I think these large amounts of upsets in MMA is what gives it hard time for those to accept MMA as a legit enough sport.
i think thats exactly why he didnt deserve a title shot...he got it because he got an impressive win against arlovski the only reason he fought arlovski is because they wanted that rematch and rodgers spoiled it so he got the shot instead....brock didnt deserve the title shot either but he is good for business so he got it he even said that he thought he would get 2-3 more wins before he got a title shot
tocayito1 11-09-2009, 12:13 AM Usually a can would put up much less of a fight than Rogers did. But I wouldn't call him a can. Zulu is a can, Rogers is a flash in the pan.
i guess we will disagree on that i just dont think hes skilled in any area of a fight but he hits like a bull...but i think we can agree that he was outclassed
villa04 11-09-2009, 02:37 AM This guy got his nose broken with the first JAB that landed on him and kept on fighting at an insane pace. He showed incredible explosiveness for a man his size and has titanium in his fists.
Fedor is a a CHAMPION in every sense of the word, what an AMAZING fighter. I almost feel blessed to witness his performances. :up:
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to be the best you got to beat the best, dodging the ufc isnt being a champion its being in fear of messing up your record
GroundSt.Pound 11-09-2009, 02:43 AM to be the best you got to beat the best, dodging the ufc isnt being a champion its being in fear of messing up your record
Sorry but the only legit HW fighter the UFC has is Lesnar and he doesn't pose much of a threat at all to Fedor. The only other guy they have that is still relevant he already smashed twice.
Fat Bloke 11-09-2009, 05:05 AM Exciting fight. Shame he came in fat and looked a bit sloppy.
Translation: A white guy just KTFO a black guy. Time to criticize the white guy!
lacollier883 11-09-2009, 05:07 AM one of the first time's of seeing fedor, was quite impressed, seems pretty tough
tommy boo boxer 11-09-2009, 05:44 AM to be the best you got to beat the best, dodging the ufc isnt being a champion its being in fear of messing up your record
dude... your post
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evilp0ptart 11-09-2009, 08:42 AM couture started as a heavyweight and his natural weight is around LHW and HW while lindland is a natural 185.
MW is Andersons fight weight he's not much bigger then his opponents, Patrick Cote same size, Nate Marquardt same size, Rich Franklin i'd say was bigger then Silva, if Anderson fought someone like say BJ Penn then you can campare him to Fedor Vs Lindland.
Believe it or not i watched Pride when it was around an caught all of Fedors fights what bigger fighters were you talking about that im supposed to be impressed with? Semmy Shilt? a guy with zero ground game and hardly any take down defense? Zuluzinho? the same guy who got beat by butterbean :lol1: or Hong Man Choi? i never really understood that fight the guy was huge with giant reach and a good kickboxing backround yet like a dumbass he brings the game to the ground against fedor i smell a rat with this fight some backstage influence from the japanese promoters perhaps.
i'll give you this though for one of the big guys he fought i was very impressed when he took the fight to Sylvia and knocked him on his ass and choked him out, i really thought Sylvia would use his reach and grind out his usual decision win.
i also loved Fedors wars with CroCop and Nogeura but his decision to continue fighting cans with Strikeforce really got on my nerves i truly believe he is ducking the ufc and protecting his legacy, but dont' take my word for it, CroCop a friend of Fedors even came forward awhile back an laid claim to the same thing i said, not enough Fedors own brother also had some similar comments but he layed the blame with his managers protecting Fedor.
Fedor vs Brock, Fedor Vs Carwin, Fedor Vs Valasquez, Fedor Vs Dos Santos, Fedor Vs Mir
those are the fights i want to see not Fedor Vs some can that would be crushed by any of the fighters i've named above.
outside of the UFC the only fighters i'd like to see Fedor fight are Jeff Monson who i think would give Fedor a decent run for his money on the ground, and a rematch with Andrei Arlovski who has dumped his boxing dreams and is rejuvenating his MMA skills with Greg jacksons camp.
:thinking: that went a little longer then i thought it would :lol1: but any rebuttles(think thats spelled right lol) are welcome.
You thought Tim Sylvia was going to decision Fedor....?
Princemanspopa 11-09-2009, 10:13 AM Fedor pwnz wrestlers. Coleman x2, Randleman, Lindland, Fujita.
Wrestlers are begging to get armbarred when they take down Fedor.
Well congratulations,you just listed a few accomplished wrestlers,what you did fail to mention however,was the fact that -
*Coleman was shot and old
*Randleman is a mental midget with no killer instinct
*Fujita was nothing more than a stubby wrestler with no other skills
*Lindland was a bloated up MW,he can fight at LHW fine but as a HW :Flush:
Overeem is a very, very solid fighter with K-1 Level Stand-up and a very respectable ground game.
Good lord,now he's parroting Joe Rogan
Sorry but the only legit HW fighter the UFC has is Lesnar and he doesn't pose much of a threat at all to Fedor. The only other guy they have that is still relevant he already smashed twice.
I would say the likes of Carwin and Velasquez are much more of a threat than Overeem and Werdum.Fraudor won't fight Werdum anyway,he's already avoided that fight in the past.Carwin and Velasquez are both bigger and stronger than Fraudor and considering he's been taken down by much smaller grapplers in the past,they should have no problem in putting him down.If you don't think Lesnar poses a threat,then you are nothing more than a M-1 apologist.
Mikhnienko 11-09-2009, 09:02 PM lindland came into that fight weight what 190 and fedor was around 235 45 pound difference and he gets praised for that fight.....yet brock comes into a fight outweighing his opponents by 20-30 pounds and gets ripped for it.
i just dont' get it with Fedor fans it seems he can do no wrong :lol1:
Lindland weighed 212.5 lbs
Fyodor weighed 230 lbs
Lindland won a Silver medal in the 2000 Olympics in Greco-Roman Wrestling. Yeah, what a totally uncredible opponent.
Secondly, that is one fight. How much size does Fyodor give up in almost every fight he has?
You're a ***.
villa04 11-09-2009, 09:33 PM Sorry but the only legit HW fighter the UFC has is Lesnar and he doesn't pose much of a threat at all to Fedor. The only other guy they have that is still relevant he already smashed twice.
so if lesnar is so easy then why turn down millions more then what you were going to make.either say your scared or quit prancing around like your the greatest
GroundSt.Pound 11-09-2009, 09:38 PM so if lesnar is so easy then why turn down millions more then what you were going to make.either say your scared or quit prancing around like your the greatest
It wasn't money it was the fact that UFC was unwilling to co-promote with M-1 Global.
One of the stipulations of the M-1/UFC co-promotion was that M-1 wanted, I think half of PPV revenue from the fights and Dana White wanted no part of it and that was the only thing that kept them from coming to an agreement.
Secondly, Fedor owns a share in M-1 so he wasn't going to break away from it.
Thirdly, and probably most importantly, is the fact that every promotion that has co-promoted with M-1 is now defunct. That doesn't sound like a worthwhile partnership. I doubt Fedor is scared to fight anybody, it's all political at this point.
Cadillac Man 11-09-2009, 10:13 PM U guys know he beat a guy that was working at sams club 6 months ago right? Wouldn't say his opponent was world class.
GroundSt.Pound 11-09-2009, 10:16 PM U guys know he beat a guy that was working at sams club 6 months ago right? Wouldn't say his opponent was world class.
I don't think anybody said he was. But being able to still fight at capacity with a broken nose isn't something a lot of people can overcome mentally.
Blair_Wells#32 11-09-2009, 10:47 PM :lol1: yeah anyone who disagrees fedor is god is and Ass i get it, Lindland is as i stated in my other post is a natural MW and giving Fedor credit for beating up on him is pretty dumb especially on how much everyone bashes brock for being bigger then his opponents.
Fedor didn't break his nose the word on some mma new sites is that it was just a cut and nothing to serious, but he did hurt his hand and had a dislocated thumb.
monaroCountry 11-09-2009, 10:58 PM Well congratulations,you just listed a few accomplished wrestlers,what you did fail to mention however,was the fact that -
*Coleman was shot and old
*Randleman is a mental midget with no killer instinct
*Fujita was nothing more than a stubby wrestler with no other skills
*Lindland was a bloated up MW,he can fight at LHW fine but as a HW :Flush:
The current UFC heavyweight and the biggest contender according to noob MMA fans is Brock Lesnar. Lets dissect Brocks magnificent records.
Brock has fought
-Min-Soo Kim (3 wins 6 losses)
-Heath Herring (28 wins 14 losses)
-Randy Couture (16 wins 10 losses and 46 years old)
Brock has lost and won against the only semi decent fighter in his list
-Frank Mir (12 wins 4 losses)
Also note that Fedor did allot better against prime Heath Herring than Brock Lesnar.
monaroCountry 11-09-2009, 11:01 PM I dont know about you but I totally agree with Vadim and think that Dana White is simply out of control. Dana seems to be the crazy freak who will praise his own fighters one day and bag them the next, Dana has also bagged any fighters not in the UFC.
What Vadim said about having his fighters fight the best from around the world is evident (below). What is Dana/UFC scared of anyway? are they scared of their American fighters competeting against the worlds best or do they simply want to swim in little ponds?
For the sake of the sport, M1's global vision and competition style format must be allowed to flourish (UFC is an entertainment format like WWE). Dana's vision would make it very difficult for international fighters to succeed.
As for international competition, look at Anderson Silva's losses, he has lost three out of his 4 from non North/South American fighters (Japanese actually)
Vadim Finkelstein
(doesnt look like a crazy Russian to me)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pet5PtefOfw
Dana White (definately crazy/paranoid/control freak)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65awtItZNuE
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Skip to 1:18 into the video of why Fedor didn’t sign with UFC, he is correct in his assessment too as with my example below.
YouTube - Fedor Emelianenko Exclusive Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5DsxH3Rkh8)
M1 fighters
Fedor Emelianenko
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6925/fedoremelianenkoj.jpg
Gegard Mousasi
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2761/gegardmousasi.jpg
UFC fighters
Anderson Silva
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6527/andersonsilva.jpg
Brock Lesnar
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5595/brocklesnar.jpg
monaroCountry 11-09-2009, 11:02 PM Georges St-Pierre
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6378/georgesstpierre.jpg
Blair_Wells#32 11-09-2009, 11:06 PM whats the difference between a NooB MMA fan and and elitist or hardcore mma fan it seems that saying Lesnar can beat Fedor counts you as a Noob and singning the praise that fedor is god makes you a hardcore fan.
as far as disecting records you know its just as easy to do to Fedors right?
Harms 11-10-2009, 12:04 AM whats the difference between a NooB MMA fan and and elitist or hardcore mma fan it seems that saying Lesnar can beat Fedor counts you as a Noob and singning the praise that fedor is god makes you a hardcore fan.
as far as disecting records you know its just as easy to do to Fedors right?
Out of curiosity, do you consider Fedor the #1 HW in the world right now or if not then who?
Blair_Wells#32 11-10-2009, 12:10 AM as of right now yes i'd put Fedor as the #1 HW with Lesnar as a close 2nd...but if Lesnar gets passed Carwin and the Winner of Valasquez vs Nogeura then i will have Lesnar as the Undisputed #1 HW in the world.
Harms 11-10-2009, 12:15 AM as of right now yes i'd put Fedor as the #1 HW with Lesnar as a close 2nd...but if Lesnar gets passed Carwin and the Winner of Valasquez vs Nogeura then i will have Lesnar as the Undisputed #1 HW in the world.
Fair enough. I can see that. I'm not a fan of Lesnar, but I can also realize if he Fedor was caught on the ground in the same position as Mir was, Fedor would have lost.
monaroCountry 11-10-2009, 01:29 AM How can you rate Lesnar that highly after just 5 fights against guys who have lost many times, some against Fedor and in their prime was beated more convincingly than what Lesnar could have done?
I think your giving far too much credit to Lesnar and far too less to Fedor. Fedor has fought tougher opponents, more opponents and far more top ten opponents (at the time) than Lesnar.
Mir is not Fedor, their ground game and skills is vastly different. A college wrestler like Brock would have a difficult time with a multiple world champion like Fedor.
Princemanspopa 11-10-2009, 01:34 AM The current UFC heavyweight and the biggest contender according to noob MMA fans is Brock Lesnar. Lets dissect Brocks magnificent records.
Brock has fought
-Min-Soo Kim (3 wins 6 losses)
-Heath Herring (28 wins 14 losses)
-Randy Couture (16 wins 10 losses and 46 years old)
Brock has lost and won against the only semi decent fighter in his list
-Frank Mir (12 wins 4 losses)
Also note that Fedor did allot better against prime Heath Herring than Brock Lesnar.
It doesn't matter,Lesnar unlike Mark Coleman actually has a working pulse,not to mention that he's also a good 35-40 pounds heavier than Coleman was at the time.I wasn't specifically picking out Lesnar either,Carwin and Velasquez also fall into the same bracket of big,strong accomplished wrestlers who aren't as limited on the ground as the likes of Coleman and Randleman are
monaroCountry 11-10-2009, 01:36 AM whats the difference between a NooB MMA fan and and elitist or hardcore mma fan it seems that saying Lesnar can beat Fedor counts you as a Noob and singning the praise that fedor is god makes you a hardcore fan.
as far as disecting records you know its just as easy to do to Fedors right?
Dissect away, please tell me how many championships Fedor has won, how many Olympic athletes, how many top 10 fighters, and how many ex UFC champions he has won against.
Fedor has consistently beaten his oppoenents not with just one move done over and over i.e. ground and pound but with moves that his oppoenents were meant to be better at i.e. AA a better striker, Rogers a better KO artist, Nog a better ground fighter and Matt Lindland a better wrestler.
monaroCountry 11-10-2009, 01:44 AM It doesn't matter,Lesnar unlike Mark Coleman actually has a working pulse,not to mention that he's also a good 35-40 pounds heavier than Coleman was at the time.I wasn't specifically picking out Lesnar either,Carwin and Velasquez also fall into the same bracket of big,strong accomplished wrestlers who aren't as limited on the ground as the likes of Coleman and Randleman.
Not everything is about weight in MMA, Fedor has faced far heavier fighters and fighters with far better ground game. Mark Coleman is an Olympic level wrestler whose record is as good as the people Brock has competed against. Coleman is now a spent force, his age just like Randy Couture has slowed him down.
I feel that Brock has been given hand picked fighters, one that he could win and not given the best in the world to compete against. Afterall im sure UFC doesnt want their money man to loose against worthier albiet less well known opponent.
Princemanspopa 11-10-2009, 02:13 AM Not everything is about weight in MMA, Fedor has faced far heavier fighters and fighters with far better ground game. Mark Coleman is an Olympic level wrestler whose record is as good as the people Brock has competed against. Coleman is now a spent force, his age just like Randy Couture has slowed him down.
I feel that Brock has been given hand picked fighters, one that he could win and not given the best in the world to compete against. Afterall im sure UFC doesnt want their money man to loose against worthier albiet less well known opponent.
Sure he has faced men who were far bigger than him,but I would hope that most wouldn't put too much stock in beating the likes of Zulu and Hong Man Choi.Coleman was an old man during both fights with Fedor and hasn't really been a top heavyweight since losing to Nogueira.
Lesnar is being given the best heavyweight available to him at the moment.Who is he not fighting who he shouldn't be?
Nogueira lost to Mir and most definately would have fought Lesnar otherwise
Gonzaga is an inconsistent mental midget with no chin or heart
Velasquez is still being brought along and is probably one win away from a title shot.
Fedor never faced the likes of Fabricio Werdum and a prime Sergei Kharitonov while he was champion in Pride,Nogueira was left to deal with them.
monaroCountry 11-10-2009, 02:27 AM Sure he has faced men who were far bigger than him,but I would hope that most wouldn't put too much stock in beating the likes of Zulu and Hong Man Choi.Coleman was an old man during both fights with Fedor and hasn't really been a top heavyweight since losing to Nogueira.
Lesnar is being given the best heavyweight available to him at the moment.Who is he not fighting who he shouldn't be?
Nogueira lost to Mir and most definately would have fought Lesnar otherwise
Gonzaga is an inconsistent mental midget with no chin or heart
Velasquez is still being brought along and is probably one win away from a title shot.
Fedor never faced the likes of Fabricio Werdum and a prime Sergei Kharitonov while he was champion in Pride,Nogueira was left to deal with them.
Nog was slaughtered twice by Fedor. Again go back to Fedors match up and seewho he has beaten, they were basically whos who of the HW division at the time.
Lesnar hasnt fought the best HW which isnt in the UFC, Brock should seek out better fighters.
Oh Fedor normally trains with a big, heavy, strong guy with stats closer to Brock (maybe 3in taller than Brock too), this guy is named Aleksander. This Aleksander has killed an actual bear with his hands and a knife, yet he has never won agaisnt Fedor.
Princemanspopa 11-10-2009, 03:29 AM The UFC doesn't need Fedor and they can go about promoting Lesnar as the baddest man to have ever walked this planet and the ufc's typical fan wouldn't know anything about it.Lesnar is tied to an exclusive contract,so he can't just walk away from it to go fight a man who most of the casual MMA fanbase may have only heard of.Lesnars fighting who's ever put infront of him and they were logical opponents for him to face(apart from his undeserving title shot).
I'm very well aware of Aleksander Emelianenko and his wonderful tales of fiction but he's nowhere near as strong,heavy or as dominant a wrestler as Lesnar is.
Blair_Wells#32 11-10-2009, 04:37 AM Brock fights hand picked Opponents? you do realize that Fedor just fought Rogers right someone who was no threat to him what so ever.....his next fight will be Werdum from what i've read another person who is no threat to Fedor.
when it comes to Fedors Record the only fights i'd say hold any relevance are with Nog, CroCop,Sylvia and Arloski everyone else on his list is either Rubbish or fight at lighter weight classes.
monaroCountry 11-10-2009, 08:45 AM Brock fights hand picked Opponents? you do realize that Fedor just fought Rogers right someone who was no threat to him what so ever.....his next fight will be Werdum from what i've read another person who is no threat to Fedor.
when it comes to Fedors Record the only fights i'd say hold any relevance are with Nog, CroCop,Sylvia and Arloski everyone else on his list is either Rubbish or fight at lighter weight classes.
Show me how many losses Brocks opponents have had? Many of them have lost close to the same number of times theyve won. The first of Brocks opponet was certainly a can who have lost far more times than he has won, another opponent was a grandpa and should have retired, finally Heath was schooled by Fedor in one round before his corner threw in the towel, Lesnar too three rounds and a decision.
If you only count 4 fighters then you have no idea the other talents youve discarded. Many of those fighters would have been able to beat Brock and many of them were better competition than Nog, Sylvia and Arloski.
monaroCountry 11-10-2009, 08:51 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LnXCXYOHIk
Bobby Lashley and Brock Lesnar are very much comparable in the number of fights, experience, physicality and background.
You have to admire Dana Whites hype ability. Bobby isnt very well known while Brock has already been regarded by some as the best HW today and one of the best in history, only after 4 fights and 1 loss.
vinnie7731 11-10-2009, 05:28 PM Brock fights hand picked Opponents? you do realize that Fedor just fought Rogers right someone who was no threat to him what so ever.....his next fight will be Werdum from what i've read another person who is no threat to Fedor.
when it comes to Fedors Record the only fights i'd say hold any relevance are with Nog, CroCop,Sylvia and Arloski everyone else on his list is either Rubbish or fight at lighter weight classes.
how can you say rogers was no threat to fedor? did you watch the fight?
silvia is not relevant
you are a fedor hater just admit it
Blair_Wells#32 11-10-2009, 09:52 PM yes i've watched the fight, did you pay attention to the forums and betting lines b4 the fight? 6-1 i believe the betting odds were everyone and their grandmother knew Rogers had no chance in this fight.
Alright take Sylvia off the list and that leaves 3 credible fighters that Fedor has fought.
yeah yeah Fedor beat heath quicker then Brock so that automatically means he can handle Lesnar? by that way of thinking Gabriel Gonzaga would have his way with Fedor because he knocked out CroCop and Fedor couldn't :fing02:
yup i know who bobby lashley is the difference with him and Brock is that Brock came to the ufc and said he wanted to fight the best right away, and Lashley has admitted himself that he would like to take a slower route to getting the UFC belt and he's bringning himself along slowly, i respect that and look forward to his progress.
Outside of Noguera there is no threat on Fedors list to Brock, Randalman,Choi,Crocop,Schilt,Coleman,Lindland :lol1: Sobral,Arona,Mark Hunt & Zuluzinho would all be taken down and pounded out early.
Do i Hate Fedor no of course not he's a very humble guy with heavy hands and a great ground game, what i do dislike though is his or his managers decision not to test him in the UFC against guys who are a threat to him, he comes out and Blames the UFC Contracts but then about a week later his Own Brother Aleks says in a interview that there was nothing wrong with the Contract the UFC gave fedor it was his managers not wanting him in the UFC, Crocop also was asked about why Fedor did not sign with the UFC and he said that maybe Fedor wants to protect his Legacy and questions why he would not want to test himself in the UFC.
also alot of his fans not all but alot get on my nerves, to them Fedor is god and he can't be beat, If Someone Punches him in the Face they come out an say he meant to get punched :lol1:
in conclusion no i don't hate Fedor his a very humble classy guy who can fight, what i dont' like is his/his managers decision not to bring him to the UFC and test himself like CroCop, Nog, Rampage and Shogun have.
Stalaggh 11-12-2009, 02:09 AM http://i37.tinypic.com/2hxvlvp.jpg
Blair_Wells#32 11-12-2009, 07:21 AM :lol1: that Gif's Awesome.
Princemanspopa 11-12-2009, 07:24 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LnXCXYOHIk
Bobby Lashley and Brock Lesnar are very much comparable in the number of fights, experience, physicality and background.
You have to admire Dana Whites hype ability. Bobby isnt very well known while Brock has already been regarded by some as the best HW today and one of the best in history, only after 4 fights and 1 loss.
No they are not.Lashley was never even close to being the top wrestler in the country like Lesnar was at one time.Lashley doesn't have the athleticism that Lesnar has and most imporantly,Lesnar never struggled with a mediocre,blown up middleweight in Jason Guida either.The level of competition the two have faced isn't comparable between the two.
vinnie7731 11-12-2009, 07:30 AM yes i've watched the fight, did you pay attention to the forums and betting lines b4 the fight? 6-1 i believe the betting odds were everyone and their grandmother knew Rogers had no chance in this fight.
Alright take Sylvia off the list and that leaves 3 credible fighters that Fedor has fought.
yeah yeah Fedor beat heath quicker then Brock so that automatically means he can handle Lesnar? by that way of thinking Gabriel Gonzaga would have his way with Fedor because he knocked out CroCop and Fedor couldn't :fing02:
yup i know who bobby lashley is the difference with him and Brock is that Brock came to the ufc and said he wanted to fight the best right away, and Lashley has admitted himself that he would like to take a slower route to getting the UFC belt and he's bringning himself along slowly, i respect that and look forward to his progress.
Outside of Noguera there is no threat on Fedors list to Brock, Randalman,Choi,Crocop,Schilt,Coleman,Lindland :lol1: Sobral,Arona,Mark Hunt & Zuluzinho would all be taken down and pounded out early.
Do i Hate Fedor no of course not he's a very humble guy with heavy hands and a great ground game, what i do dislike though is his or his managers decision not to test him in the UFC against guys who are a threat to him, he comes out and Blames the UFC Contracts but then about a week later his Own Brother Aleks says in a interview that there was nothing wrong with the Contract the UFC gave fedor it was his managers not wanting him in the UFC, Crocop also was asked about why Fedor did not sign with the UFC and he said that maybe Fedor wants to protect his Legacy and questions why he would not want to test himself in the UFC.
also alot of his fans not all but alot get on my nerves, to them Fedor is god and he can't be beat, If Someone Punches him in the Face they come out an say he meant to get punched :lol1:
in conclusion no i don't hate Fedor his a very humble classy guy who can fight, what i dont' like is his/his managers decision not to bring him to the UFC and test himself like CroCop, Nog, Rampage and Shogun have.
who cares what the people on forums are saying as to weather he was a threat or not.
look, im not defending rogers here but im saying he was a threat cause he did a pretty good job and put up a good fight.
all those guys in there prime were decent fighters and that is when fedor fought them. they are all credible opponents
you cant blame fedor for not wanting to fight brock. its mostly m-1's fault
snakerattle79 11-12-2009, 12:59 PM Exciting fight. Shame he came in fat and looked a bit sloppy.
Fedor is fat since day and his looping punches maybe sloppy to some experts out there but he gets the job done, how many technically sound fighters remained undefeated in their career?
snakerattle79 11-12-2009, 01:09 PM FRAUDor looked mediocre against a C level fighter.You would think his nuthuggers would see such a performance and question his claim to greatness,but no,they continue to be awed by this modern day Frank Abagnale.
Rogers can KO you're Idols Brock and Mir but he cannot KO Fedor. BTW who's you're A-level fighters? Nog,Cain.Carwin,Brock? LOL Fedor would eat them for lunch, and Fedor kicked Nog's ass 3 times already
Toney Loc 11-12-2009, 01:20 PM Normal HWs clean the HW division. Fedor cleans the HW planet. :boxing:
monaroCountry 11-20-2009, 01:58 AM you cant blame fedor for not wanting to fight brock. its mostly m-1's fault
Actually its mostly the UFCs fault, M1-Global has had no problem with dealing with other prmotions and other organisations. Its only been the UFC that has road blocked them.
Strikeforce Offers Better Deal Than UFC
August 6th, 2009 | by Rea Frey
http://chicago.fighthype.com/2009/08/06/strikeforce-offers-better-deal-than-ufc/
Fedor “The Last Emperor” Emelianenko joined Strikeforce founder and CEO, Scott Coker on a conference call today, along with President of M-1 Global, Vadim Finkelchtein, to discuss Fedor’s recent multi-fight deal to headline mega-events with Strikeforce and M-1 Global. After endless rumours around the bidding war over Fedor, the heavyweight fighter addressed the reasons why he took this deal over the rest.
“The advantage in signing the deal with Strikeforce is really great,” Fedor stated. “The UFC did not give us any chance to develop. The UFC wants me to be the fighter of the UFC. They do not offer us anything else. Dana White stated that M-1 rejected a huge amount of money and decided to fight for cheap money. That’s not the truth. Nothing special was offered to M-1. And when we made a deal with Strikeforce and when we united with Strikeforce, we got the opportunity to broadcast all fights on the first channel in Russia, in the leading channel in Korea and in Japan, and in many other countries. But UFC won’t give us these opportunities. If Strikeforce was able to offer a better deal than the UFC, why should we go to the UFC? I’m happy we have found a great partner. I’m very happy to fight again. I don’t know the name of the opponent yet. I know for sure that the fight will take place in fall. I will be happy to meet any opponent, which will be offered by the organizers.”
Scott chimed in. “We’re not just signing with Fedor, but we’re signing with M-1. In conjunction with Strikeforce, we’re going to put on some sizeable match-ups together. Fedor is the greatest heavyweight fighter in the history of MMA. Everyone was after him, and for us to land him and fight on Showtime – we feel like we won the lottery.”
In response to allegations that Dana White called Strikeforce “Strikfarce,” and that no one watched Strikeforce, that they had no money and no one to fight Fedor, Scott laughed. “My response to that is of course he’s going to say that. He’s a promoter. We’ve been in business a long time, and I think we know how to operate a business with Ken and Showtime. I feel confident we are going to have some great big shows. Under the current circumstances, is anyone surprised? I don’t think so.”
After the Affliction show was cancelled, Vadim explained the negotiation process: “When we came to America, we already had a plan to have a meeting with Lorenzo and Dana. Their management was not telling anything further about the offers of the UFC. That’s why we wanted them to meet each other and we wanted also to listen to the offer.”
Ken Hirschman discussed Showtime’s plans to promote Fedor: “We’re actually beginning our planning now. We’re going to be starting with some teases we can market on Showtime and across the Internet to introduce Fedor. He’s a sold commodity among the hardcore fans. Everyone recognizes him as the best fighter in the world. We have to reach beyond that to the general fans. This is the most exciting fighter out there. Even if you’re not a hardcore MMA fan, you’re going to get some excitement watching him fight in the cage.”
In response to rumours that Dana White said Fedor didn’t want to fight the best fighters in the world and he didn’t care about the fans, Fedor remained calm. “I don’t think that I don’t need really good fighters because the last two fights I think had really great opponents.”
“With Fedor, we have a great opportunity,” Scott added. “He’s the hottest free agent on the market. We’ll probably enter the Pay-Per-View business, but it’s 6-9 months away. In the meantime, we’ll sit down with Ken and talk about how we get there. The first fight will be on Showtime, and people will get to watch it for free. We’ve always been committed to obtaining the best fighters. We’re continuing that vision. Fedor is a great opportunity, and how often does that come along? I talked to my partners who are solid guys, and we made a business decision and it was important for Showtime, and we said let’s make this partnership, and let’s go for it! If I thought this was going to be a situation where we’re going to lose money or go out of business, we wouldn’t have done it. We’ve created a formula. It’s really quite complicated, and I can’t get into it. But I think it’s a win-win for all parties involved.
“Here’s the thing with those other companies,” he continued, when discussing why they failed. “It wasn’t their core business. IFL was originally about comic books. Affliction was a t-shirt company. The core business wasn’t the mixed martial arts business. We’ve been around a long time. This is our 25th year in business. We’re going to be around for a long time. It’s our core business. If people stick to their core competency, they’ll be around.”
Fedor put to rest the rumors that he doesn’t have control over his contracts or money. “I would like to say that I have full control of all the contracts and my career as well. I get all financial reports. All important issues are being discussed with me. Everything I don’t like, Vadim tries to send for. I need to tell you I have complete control of what’s going on.”
And why he chose a smaller organization? “If the small organizations offer much better conditions than the big organizations, then I will work with small organizations,” he said. “From my viewpoint, the UFC does not have the proper attitude towards fighters. They do not consider fighters normal people – human beings. I think the attitude for UFC fighters is not the correct one. The offer seems to be one kind and on the Internet, they published different numbers. The offer we got from them was neither of those. I don’t pay attention to different discussions. There are a lot of people who take the side of the UFC. A lot of people take side of M-1 as well. I think that if the numbers which are published on the Internet were real numbers, we would have signed the contract with the UFC.”
“I don’t think that M-1 activities are reflected in the media or Internet in an accurate way,” Vadim added. “We are a very young organization and we do not have the huge PR machine like the UFC. We have been abused in the media and the press and a lot of journalists do not take our side. Fedor has never belonged to the UFC. And not being in the UFC, he managed to achieve the image he has in fighting for many other organizations. We understand perfectly well what would happen if he had signed the contract with the UFC. Fedor’s name outside of the US is much bigger than the name of the UFC. If Fedor comes to the UFC, he’ll make the UFC famous outside of the US. And all accusations are false ones. Dana White states right now that we wanted to come and take his business in the Russian way, but that’s not true. We offered the co-production and co-promotion.”
In conclusion, Fedor addressed the disappointment expressed by fans with the cancellation of the Brock Lesnar fight. “I really feel very sorry for that fight which could not happen. I feel very sorry for my fans, but I think that I also deserve some respect. That my personal interests are taken into consideration.”
“Just give us some time,” Vadim said. “Brock Lesnar – nobody knew him a year ago. Will you kindly give us some time? We will be able to show everybody what we will achieve together.”
“We’re happy to have the M-1 partnership and Fedor on board with Showtime,” Scott concluded. “And stay tuned for future news. This will be the first time Fedor gets in the cage in his career, and there are a lot of fans out there. When it comes to fight time, they’re all going to tune in.”
Stay tuned for future news about Fedor Emelianenko’s heavyweight fall debut on Showtime.
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