I just saw a headline on CNN and other websites reporting that the Popes condition had deteriorated and he has a high fever. What will happen once the Pope passes, and how long do you think he has left?

That sucks, I have all his CDs.

We should start a poll and guess the day he kicks the bucket. We started one after they took Schiavo's feeding tube here in the office, but It didn't take off as we expected.

Dude, that muh****a has been looking and acting like Terry Chialvo's twin for a while now!

That's one announcement that doesn't surprise me in the least.

I bet he hasn't made a real official decision in years.

I wonder if somoene will make a How long before the Pope croaks thread.

That sucks, I have all his CDs.

Including all his greatest hits such as, "Dont Masturbate", "Abortion is Wrong" and "No Sex Before Marriage"? :D

I wonder if somoene will make a How long before the Pope croaks thread.

I was going to but took it out of my post at thelast minute afraid it was just too tasteless because it is the Pope afterall. If someone else is game, Im in!

Put me down for June 21th... 10,000 points.

I even have the underground **** he did with Madona

I'm in for December 25th

They'll keep him on a machine forever

Everybody dies.

But not everyone truly lives.

Or something like that.

I just saw a headline on CNN and other websites reporting that the Popes condition had deteriorated and he has a high fever. What will happen once the Pope passes, and how long do you think he has left?
let's just say i wouldn't like to be hanging by the balls waiting for him to die, these guys are supposed to be on the brink of death every week and then they come back again

Put me down for June 21th... 10,000 points.

I think it will be this weekend! Depends if they pull his feeding tube....

A post like this will piss off a few people, when I had Jesus "Saves" while playing soccer, I got PMed and asked to remove it, that it was too offensive. To many religious freaks without a sense of humor.

Damn, there goes my reputation points

Damn, there goes my reputation points


Did you have sex with a cat again?

Not today.

****ing a cat is hard as hell since they scratch and ****. SOmething like a chicken is a lot better, you can grab it by the wings and go at it. Good times.

I'll try that, thanks for lookin out for me

slickhook,hahahaha your sig is so funny

Just helping you out with post whoring and ****.

Make sure you put tape around it, so when you do **** it, it wont explode. I know this works with a rabbit. They scatch and kick

chikens have feathers and they get in the way and can hit the nutsack

Just helping you out with post whoring and ****.


I'm bored as hell. I can't train this week and there's nothing on tv.

i wish him the best, but im sadly saying his time is runing out.

i think the next pope will be italion.

Same here. There is no work to be done around here and it's only Thursday.

Getting injured sucks. My bad knees still allow me to go train, though.

I just saw a headline on CNN and other websites reporting that the Popes condition had deteriorated and he has a high fever. What will happen once the Pope passes, and how long do you think he has left?

They'll appoint a new one

I wonder if the Pope is gonna be replaced by a hardliner. It would be great for me. Another target toward which I can channel my hatred.

I wonder if somoene will make a How long before the Pope croaks thread.

Thanks for the karma.


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Really, the next pope should be african as thats the major growth area for catholicism in the last 20 years. However, he will probably be Italian and getting on himself, one of John Paul 2's disciples who will carry on his hardliner legacy

i'm not a religious freak but i am catholic and i do find most of this thread very offensive. and just so you know he has made several very important decisions in the last few years. this pope is probably the best pope that ever lived. the only way he calls it quits is when he dies. no pope has ever handed over power before death. i doubt that many of you were even a pleasent thought running down you moms thigh when he was elected pope. if you have never seen the process you should pay attention to the next one. i don't think he has that long. the urinary tract infection that caused the fever is a sign kidney failing and that is a sure sign of death. as for the1god....i have to admit that i find your latest sigs offensive, but not to the point that iot really bothers me. everyone is entitled to thier own opinions and beliefs. i never try to force or push my religion on anyone and i don't crum on anyone elses not even muslims. that being said i just think that this thread is in very bad taste.

Dr Freecloud, don't you think it's hypocritical to say you're offended by this thread when just a few days ago there was a thread about Terri Schiavo and you didn't say anything about that one. (And that thread was even more tasteless!)

I'm not trying to pick a fight, it's just something I noticed.

A life is a life, and the pope's life isn't anymore important than anyone else's.

Well, I say he dies Saturday 3am

Peace Out Pope! :angel:

Dr Freecloud, don't you think it's hypocritical to say you're offended by this thread when just a few days ago there was a thread about Terri Schiavo and you didn't say anything about that one. (And that thread was even more tasteless!)

I'm not trying to pick a fight, it's just something I noticed.

A life is a life, and the pope's life isn't anymore important than anyone else's.

Well, I say he dies Saturday 3am

Peace Out Pope! :angel:

um i'm really scratching my head right now. maybe if i had actually noticed and looked @ that thread i would have been hypocritical if and only if i had put my 2 cents worth in about when she would pass. the only reason her ass is even in the media is because of all the legal actions that have gone on. there are tons of these same situations going on everyday. do i think its right what happened to her? no. did you know that it is illegal in the United States to starve a dog? no matter what hte conditions. you have to put the dog to sleep. prisoners on death row are served a less painful death than she received. as for the thread you speak of i still have not seen it and since you have brought it up prolly never will due to the fact that it is in poor taste i am sure. actually the popes life he lived and what he has contributed to humanity is far more important than what you can prolly comprehend. and i'm not trying to pick a fight its just something i noticed. just making a judgement on what you DID post and not on what you DIDN'T post.

I know how they elected a new pope... I learned it from watching "Euro Trip".

Thank you Hollywood.

i'm not a religious freak but i am catholic and i do find most of this thread very offensive. and just so you know he has made several very important decisions in the last few years. this pope is probably the best pope that ever lived. the only way he calls it quits is when he dies. no pope has ever handed over power before death. i doubt that many of you were even a pleasent thought running down you moms thigh when he was elected pope. if you have never seen the process you should pay attention to the next one. i don't think he has that long. the urinary tract infection that caused the fever is a sign kidney failing and that is a sure sign of death. as for the1god....i have to admit that i find your latest sigs offensive, but not to the point that iot really bothers me. everyone is entitled to thier own opinions and beliefs. i never try to force or push my religion on anyone and i don't crum on anyone elses not even muslims. that being said i just think that this thread is in very bad taste.


Just so you know, when I say calling it quits, I mean he is going to die soon, not give up his pope throne.
I do think that its really admirable of you not to make fun of anyone elses religion. Not even those zany muslims.

Face it, the Pope is just another person. He is the head of a religion. Ok. And? Can he shoot lightning out of his fingertips? Can he work miracles? Can he solve the worlds problems? NO, he is a man, just like most men.

****ing conservative prudes.

Fair enough, however...

"maybe if i had actually noticed and looked @ that thread i would have been hypocritical if and only if i had put my 2 cents worth in about when she would pass."

I find it hard to believe that a regular visitor to these forums like yourself missed that thread. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt ;) .

I also disagree with the way Terri Schiavo was handled. There should be a legal and humane way to go about it. In my eyes Dr. Jack Kevorkian is a great man. He helped people end their suffering painlessly. Too bad this country is run by religious nuts who put this man in jail.

"actually the popes life he lived and what he has contributed to humanity is far more important than what you can prolly comprehend."

It's not that I don't comprehend good deeds, I just don't fall for organized religion's propaganda. To me the church isn't a helping organization, it's a money making business. That is why I don't think the pope's death should matter anymore than the death of the Mcdonald's CEO. Both were successful leaders and both are human beings who should be considered equal.

If you see it differently that is cool too. I'm just going by what I've read and seen with my own eyes, not by what I was told at church by some guy.

"the only reason her ass is even in the media is because of all the legal actions that have gone on. there are tons of these same situations going on everyday."

According to what you just said the pope's death shouldn't be considered important because tons of old men die everyday.

I knew we would see eye to eye. :D

Face it, the Pope is just another person. He is the head of a religion. Ok. And? Can he shoot lightning out of his fingertips? Can he work miracles? Can he solve the worlds problems? NO, he is a man, just like most men.

You know who can do those things?...

http://www.wizards.com/starwars/images/starwars/yoda_lightning.jpg

You know who can do those things?...

http://www.wizards.com/starwars/images/starwars/yoda_lightning.jpg
i happend to do those things when i got really mad once , i mean i didnt mean to hurt anyone .... and plus i also tend to turn green when im irate

They're announcing that the Pope is in his final hours.

thats not a funny april fools prank mister.

Really, the next pope should be african as thats the major growth area for catholicism in the last 20 years. However, he will probably be Italian and getting on himself, one of John Paul 2's disciples who will carry on his hardliner legacy

Pope John Paul II is Polish. The first non-Italian Pope in 5 Centuries. I'd like to see another non-Italian, maybe a Latin American. I'm not Catholic though so i don't really care.

thats not a funny april fools prank mister.

lol, no I'm serious. They are announcing that he has slipped into unconsciousness and is "in his final hours, not final days."

no sorry not fallin for it lol

From Drudge:

POPE HAS LOST CONSCIOUSNESS...
VATICAN SAYS POPE'S CONDITION HAS WORSENED...
POPE SUFFERING FROM HEART AND KIDNEY PROBLEMS...
Breathing 'has become shallow' and his kidney function is deteriorating...
Suffering low blood pressure...

I heard that he was still conscious. Still, it's just a matter of time now.

He's dead. :angel:

The pope has passed away apparently. :( There is a door that is closed on the vatican and its only closed when there is no pope. God bless him he was a good man.

*crosses*

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/nat_world/040105_APworld_pope.html

All jokes aside, he was a good man.

its still unconfirmed, he isnt dead yet, almost but not yet.

http://www.steefkwadraat.com/pics/albums/stefan/aprilpope.jpg

hahahha ass!

The man has lost consciousness... I was baptized, but I don't considered myself Catholic. The pope is/was a great man who did many good things, it's truly a sad day for everyone.

The Pope has croaked. I repeat, the Pope has croaked..









..this ain't no April Fools, either....The Pope has croaked..

no he hasnt :mad:

yeah well if he dies he didnt pick a very good day to do it!

yeah well if he dies he didnt pick a very good day to do it!
yeah thats true, but i guess you have to die sometime

you no that sucks April fools is ment for fun and joking around and laughing at people feel stupid, now if this ass dies today April fools will NEVER be the same! COMPLETE TURN AROUND!!!!! From a happy day to a stupid day where everyone is sad.

you no that sucks April fools is ment for fun and joking around and laughing at people feel stupid, now if this ass dies today April fools will NEVER be the same! COMPLETE TURN AROUND!!!!! From a happy day to a stupid day where everyone is sad.
i don't mean to sound like a nasty guy, but some people couldn't give a rats ass about him anyway

thats not nasty, im one of those people that DONT give a **** about him.

imo it wouldnt bother me if he dies he jus like the queen gets money and **** for nothing or tellin people wat they already now .

He was (or is) a great man.... For what? Oh yea, he waves to everyone. Like the queen. He's a freeloader. LOL

I know there are many pope supporters and such on here, I hope somebody can post a list of accomplishments. (Besides waving to people)

This "he's dead"... "No he's not" thing reminds me of Yasser Arafat a few month ago. We had to put up with this **** for days with that guy.

thats cause people wanna play pranks on something thats really gonna happen today or maybe even tomorrow, he isnt dead, people are just dumb. and i ment that in the nicest way possible. :)

I got that he was dead from Yahoo news, but then 10 minutes later everyone is saying that he isnt dead.

nope he is damn close though

He is the Leader of the Biggest religious fraud in the history of mankind.
I wont hide it or deny it, flamed or not that whole system is responsible for millions that are right now in indescribable agony and the present living 1.1 billion now putting their hope in a system of lies.
Its paganism with new names people, its works and doing what WE think is right to get to heaven, God has no say in it.
"he that believeth in Me hath everlasting Life"
How can 1.1 Billion and then some miss that?

ppl should really stop sukin his ass all the time hes pointless

:confused:??????????

yeah stop suckin ass! lol

I'm not religious or anything, but he was probably one of the better Popes.
He helped Jews escape Nazis, Publicly apologized for all the atrocities the Catholic church did towards Muslims, Jews and other religions throughout the ages.
He is probably the coolest one too. He wanted to be an actor as a young man :cool:

Pope John Paul II is dead....again.

i dont think so

The man has lost consciousness... I was baptized, but I don't considered myself Catholic. The pope is/was a great man who did many good things, it's truly a sad day for everyone.

In my opinion the pope has done some great things and some really ****ty things.

His permanent state of denial regarding the crisis in the Catholic church with cardinal Law and many, many others was a disgrace.

imo it wouldnt bother me if he dies he jus like the queen gets money and **** for nothing or tellin people wat they already now .

Wrong. :rolleyes:

This "he's dead"... "No he's not" thing reminds me of Yasser Arafat a few month ago. We had to put up with this **** for days with that guy.

Thank the Fox network for that. The dumb****s jumped the gun. Not really a surprise concidering the source.

He was (or is) a great man.... For what? Oh yea, he waves to everyone. Like the queen. He's a freeloader. LOL

I know there are many pope supporters and such on here, I hope somebody can post a list of accomplishments. (Besides waving to people)

There is a great deal of documented information on the accomplishments of the pope. Try doing some research before talking ****. Is that so hard?

It amazes me how many people are offended by a different view and cant do anything but give bad karma without an explaination. Some people cant face the truth or be put in there place, so all they can do is give you bad Karma. If you have a counterpoint to a person's opinion, lets hear it. Dont just cower behind Kama point and sulk.... Grow up

It amazes me how many people are offended by a different view and cant do anything but give bad karma without an explaination. Some people cant face the truth or be put in there place, so all they can do is give you bad Karma. If you have a counterpoint to a person's opinion, lets hear it. Dont just cower behind Kama point and sulk.... Grow up

Hey bro, you are a pretty cool and funny guy. I don't remember giving you bad karma, did I? The thing is that opinions are like piss holes. I really don't think this Pope was all that great. He did do some extremely impressive things during his life and some pretty ****ty things like not acting on the pedophile scandal. All I'm saying is it's easy to knock people when you don't bother to check into the facts, but I prefer an enlightened and informed opinion to just your run of the mill hate spewing. And you do seem to have a straw up your ass about christianity, Jesus, the pope, etc. for some reason. :confused:

Hey bro, you are a pretty cool and funny guy. I don't remember giving you bad karma, did I? The thing is that opinions are like piss holes. I really don't think this Pope was all that great. He did do some extremely impressive things during his life and some pretty ****ty things like not acting on the pedophile scandal. All I'm saying is it's easy to knock people when you don't bother to check into the facts, but I prefer an enlightened and informed opinion to just your run of the mill hate spewing. And you do seem to have a straw up your ass about christianity, Jesus, the pope, etc. for some reason. :confused:

This want directed at you bud, but I do know where you are coming from. I guess I want a reason, a true fact to back what people preach. If do listen, but when I ask, I am not answered. Just a squirrel tryn to get a nut I guess. No, you didn't throw any bad Karma at me. Not sure If I can give you mare, but I will try.

This want directed at you bud, but I do know where you are coming from. I guess I want a reason, a true fact to back what people preach. If do listen, but when I ask, I am not answered. Just a squirrel tryn to get a nut I guess. No, you didn't throw any bad Karma at me. Not sure If I can give you mare, but I will try.

lol, ok cool man. Well I have to hit the sack, but I'll be happy to list some of the Pope's accomplishments tomorrow if you'd like.

It amazes me how many people are offended by a different view and cant do anything but give bad karma without an explaination. Some people cant face the truth or be put in there place, so all they can do is give you bad Karma. If you have a counterpoint to a person's opinion, lets hear it. Dont just cower behind Kama point and sulk.... Grow up

i completely disagree with
the **** you said about the pope
but i respect your right to say it.

he did much more than what you claim he did.
but if thats your opinion i got nothign to do but
to respect it.


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i completely disagree with
the **** you said about the pope
but i respect your right to say it.

he did much more than what you claim he did.
but if thats your opinion i got nothign to do but
to respect it.


hey sonny goy my PM??


What did I say negative about the pope?

What did I say negative about the pope?

"For what? Oh yea, he waves to everyone. Like the queen. He's a freeloader"

"For what? Oh yea, he waves to everyone. Like the queen. He's a freeloader"


And how is this not true?

You should know better than to discuss religion on an "Internet Boxing Forum" man. You are communicating with people from multiple cultures and more specifically: religious backgrounds. Typing the comments you did, constitutes blasphemy for the most part, and might offend some of your fellow posters. In coalition with your "Jesus Avatar's" You make a formidable opponent for righteous people. People who saw the Pope as their "leader in Faith", might not find this to be the time to discredit him.

Just my Opinion.

Agreed. And understandable, kinda like having a Marthastewart avatar on a cooking board. If you preach it, back it up, thats all I say. Which is how many boxers are.

And how is this not true?

he did much more than that
im a catholic but not a real
traditional one i dont go to church.
but he was more than a freeloader,
but as i said if thats what you want to
think.
what can i do

he did much more than that
im a catholic but not a real
traditional one i dont go to church.
but he was more than a freeloader,
but as i said if thats what you want to
think.
what can i do

Agreed, and the freeloader is a bit extreme, he is a good diplamat. His last word were so true too. He was a good man.

just pray for his soul...he done good things in this world..as a holy father of christian community may the lord blessed him until the last day of his life-may the lord be with him until his last breath gone...for those who are not christian it's up to you...or just ignore this one. :)

There are 2 things I think the Pope should have done while he was alive.

1. Done something about the pedophile priests.

If the Pope knew what was going on, he should be ashamed of himself for passing these guys around to other churches while they were suspected of molesting kids. Ih he didnt know it was happening until after all the accusations came out, he still takes some blame for not punishing these people more severely. He should have booted Cardinal Law in Boston and Cardinal Mahoney in LA and came out publicly against the problem.

2. Let priests marry

If he would have let priests marry, I think we wouldnt have had the severe problem with pedophilia that we have in the priesthood today. The way it is, no heterosexual male would join the priesthood. That being the case, the pool of prospective priest is very shallow. If priests were allowed to marry, you would have more heterosexual men interested in being a priest, therefore increasing the pool of priests to choose from by a great deal. This way, if someone is caught fooling around with kids, you can fire him and get a new priest. Not pass him to another church like they do now. They pass these guys around because they dont have enough priest to take all the molesters places if they were to be fired.

The Catholic Church also needs to step into the 21st century and let women be priests.

2. Let priests marry

If he would have let priests marry, I think we wouldnt have had the severe problem with pedophilia that we have in the priesthood today. The way it is, no heterosexual male would join the priesthood. That being the case, the pool of prospective priest is very shallow. If priests were allowed to marry, you would have more heterosexual men interested in being a priest, therefore increasing the pool of priests to choose from by a great deal. This way, if someone is caught fooling around with kids, you can fire him and get a new priest. Not pass him to another church like they do now. They pass these guys around because they dont have enough priest to take all the molesters places if they were to be fired.
There you have a problem. The pope is taught to be Infallible, so since that is a teaching of the Church and came from a Pope that teaching would mean the Pope isnt infallible and you know where that leads, the Church falls on it's face.
The pope Apologized for the Jewish persecutions, a Pope instituted action.
He made a mistake there.

This is direct from the catchism

"In order to preserve the Church in the purity of the faith handed on by the apostles, Christ who is Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility. By a supernatural sense of faith the People of God, under the guidance of the Church's livi ng magisterium, unfailingly adheres to this faith." Pg. 235, #889

"The Roman Pontiff... enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith - he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals... This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself." Pg. 235, #891

"The pastoral duty of the Magisterium is aimed at seeing to it that the People of God abides in the truth that liberates. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church' s shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals." Pg. 235, #890

"The infallibility of the Magisterium of the Pastors extends to all the elements of doctrine, including moral doctrine, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, expounded, or observed." Pg. 495, #2051


So you see it's catch 22, if he does that then the Church lied and cannot be trusted.
But he already apologized for jewish persecution so you can draw your own conclusion about that.

Several questions arise from this
1.When the pope and other Catholic leaders, who claim to be infallible, disagree with God' s Holy Word, then God must be wrong?

2.Why does the Catholic church want you to believe that the pope and other Catholic leaders are infallible in matters of doctrine? Is it to bring members into further bondage and obedience to the Catholic church?

3.Where do fallible men obtain the authority to declare other men infallible?

4.Why does the Catholic church refuse to honor Jesus Christ by acknowledging Him as the only infallible One, as the Holy Scriptures teach?

i was thinkin i should start going to church, but i know i'd fall asleep. :confused:

2. Let priests marry

If he would have let priests marry, I think we wouldnt have had the severe problem with pedophilia that we have in the priesthood today. The way it is, no heterosexual male would join the priesthood. That being the case, the pool of prospective priest is very shallow. If priests were allowed to marry, you would have more heterosexual men interested in being a priest, therefore increasing the pool of priests to choose from by a great deal. This way, if someone is caught fooling around with kids, you can fire him and get a new priest. Not pass him to another church like they do now. They pass these guys around because they dont have enough priest to take all the molesters places if they were to be fired.


Priests were allowed to marry until the Middle Ages. People forget that. After that, they still slept around and kept it quiet, probably until recent times. In towns in the Middle Ages people didn't trust the priests to be around their wives while they were away. They were the original poolmen, you might say.

People who don't believe this are kidding themselves. No way can most people keep celibate their whole lives...only the most insanely devout. So we're asking priests now to follow rules that nobody before them had to.

There you have a problem. The pope is taught to be Infallible, so since that is a teaching of the Church and came from a Pope that teaching would mean the Pope isnt infallible and you know where that leads, the Church falls on it's face.
The pope Apologized for the Jewish persecutions, a Pope instituted action.
He made a mistake there.

This is direct from the catchism

"In order to preserve the Church in the purity of the faith handed on by the apostles, Christ who is Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility. By a supernatural sense of faith the People of God, under the guidance of the Church's livi ng magisterium, unfailingly adheres to this faith." Pg. 235, #889

"The Roman Pontiff... enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith - he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals... This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself." Pg. 235, #891

"The pastoral duty of the Magisterium is aimed at seeing to it that the People of God abides in the truth that liberates. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church' s shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals." Pg. 235, #890

"The infallibility of the Magisterium of the Pastors extends to all the elements of doctrine, including moral doctrine, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, expounded, or observed." Pg. 495, #2051


So you see it's catch 22, if he does that then the Church lied and cannot be trusted.
But he already apologized for jewish persecution so you can draw your own conclusion about that.

Several questions arise from this
1.When the pope and other Catholic leaders, who claim to be infallible, disagree with God' s Holy Word, then God must be wrong?

2.Why does the Catholic church want you to believe that the pope and other Catholic leaders are infallible in matters of doctrine? Is it to bring members into further bondage and obedience to the Catholic church?

3.Where do fallible men obtain the authority to declare other men infallible?

4.Why does the Catholic church refuse to honor Jesus Christ by acknowledging Him as the only infallible One, as the Holy Scriptures teach?


Garrett, from what I can decipher from your post, this has nothing to do with what I am saying. Please explain to me what this has to do with my suggestion that the pope should have made it so priests should be able to marry?

Priests were allowed to marry until the Middle Ages. People forget that. After that, they still slept around and kept it quiet, probably until recent times. In towns in the Middle Ages people didn't trust the priests to be around their wives while they were away. They were the original poolmen, you might say.

People who don't believe this are kidding themselves. No way can most people keep celibate their whole lives...only the most insanely devout. So we're asking priests now to follow rules that nobody before them had to.

I know this to be true also, but thanks for pointing this out to the rest.

I dont see why they shouldnt let priest get married. What do you think about what would happen to the available pool of priests if this were the case?

Garrett, from what I can decipher from your post, this has nothing to do with what I am saying. Please explain to me what this has to do with my suggestion that the pope should have made it so priests should be able to marry?

I think he's trying to say that the Cathecism says that the church is infallible and speaks the offical Word of God, and therefore can't go back on anything that it said before. The idea being that the laws that the church sets out are the laws of the univserse, and that going back on one would be like, say denying gravity.

The thing is that nobody has thought of the Church as being this way since at least Reformation times. Even the most devout Catholics I'm sure understand that there is a difference in the moral laws set out by their religion and the day-to-day regulations required to keep it running smoothly and honestly. The two points that you bring up would belong in the second category as far as I'm concerned.

yeah what bombardier said explosivo

I think he's trying to say that the Cathecism says that the church is infallible and speaks the offical Word of God, and therefore can't go back on anything that it said before. The idea being that the laws that the church sets out are the laws of the univserse, and that going back on one would be like, say denying gravity.

The thing is that nobody has thought of the Church as being this way since at least Reformation times. Even the most devout Catholics I'm sure understand that there is a difference in the moral laws set out by their religion and the day-to-day regulations required to keep it running smoothly and honestly. The two points that you bring up would belong in the second category as far as I'm concerned.

Ok, well Im not saying that my suggestions would be popular with the Catholics, but if what you say about the pope being infallible is true, then he can do whatever he wants and he's still unfallible right? So he can change any of these rules and not be questioned since he always knows best!!

Ok, well Im not saying that my suggestions would be popular with the Catholics, but if what you say about the pope being infallible is true, then he can do whatever he wants and he's still unfallible right? So he can change any of these rules and not be questioned since he always knows best!!

I think a lot of Cardinals would welcome the reforms you mentioned, actually. A lot of them are really concerned about dwindling support in Western Europe and North America. Europe, especially, is quite non-religious, and their only hope is to try and modernize. The problem is that you can't go too fast and get the conservative Catholics upset...but sooner or later they're going to have to change.

I think its sick how some people are crying over this. Devoted catholics who follow the teachings of their church are naturaly going to be upset but some of these people claiming to be upset over the death of the Pope just seem to be catching the coat tails. If you are legitimately upset and cry because of the loss of your church, then I feel for you and you have my deepest sympathies.

Otherwise, **** off and let the people who are really devestated over his loss greave and come to terms with it.

i completely disagree with
the **** you said about the pope
but i respect your right to say it.

he did much more than what you claim he did.
but if thats your opinion i got nothign to do but
to respect it.


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Ok, well Im not saying that my suggestions would be popular with the Catholics, but if what you say about the pope being infallible is true, then he can do whatever he wants and he's still unfallible right? So he can change any of these rules and not be questioned since he always knows best!!
No he cant change the rules all the time to fit.
They should of been right from the start if his Rules and laws were from God

No he cant change the rules all the time to fit.
They should of been right from the start if his Rules and laws were from God

Well from what I hear there is nothing in the bible that says priests cannot be married so I guess they can change it.

The pope's job is to made the church prosper and for it to best reflect God's will (I'm not really a Christian by the way, but that doesn't make what I'm saying any less true). If doing something like letting priests marry will make the church more popular without compromising its core beliefs, than it should be done.

People haven't believed that the church's rules were "right" from day one for hundreds of years. As long as the basic doctrine doesn't change, what's the big deal in changing the day-to-day mechanics of how that doctrine is promoted?