Erik Morales the best mexican fighter of this generation [Archive]

kadyo

03-31-2005, 07:43 AM

men follow courage!

that's why i'm a big morales' fan :)

barrera dont have the cojones to face his demons :mad:

that's why i consider erik morales the best mexican of this generation as well the second best on all mexican boxing history having julio cesar chavez as the very best!

lest you are forgetful, the score is 2-1 against MAB. All of them have cojones dude so don't ever make the mistake of saying that barrera has no cojones because it's not funny. :boxing:

czars_salad

03-31-2005, 07:49 AM

barrera is

SnoopySmurf

03-31-2005, 08:10 AM

men follow courage!

that's why i'm a big morales' fan :)

barrera dont have the cojones to face his demons :mad:

that's why i consider erik morales the best mexican of this generation as well the second best on all mexican boxing history having julio cesar chavez as the very best!

Morales doesn't want to face Barrera again. Barrera is Erik's demon.

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 08:20 AM

everyone has an opinion
i respect that
but erik had victories over the 2 guys who had koed barrera that to me is a victory in their feud
beside those two loses vs barrera could of go either way

SnoopySmurf

03-31-2005, 08:23 AM

czars_salad

03-31-2005, 08:23 AM

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 08:24 AM

So he's not the undesputed best Mexican fighter, then. You just said so.
what are you talking about?
make your point

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 08:25 AM

the third one is a clear barrera win

and also the first fight :boxing:
naa BS that victory was overhyped

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 08:27 AM

erik is the best mexican fighter of this generation
he is never been Koed

czars_salad

03-31-2005, 08:28 AM

naa BS that victory was overhyped
which one?

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 08:31 AM

erik had never been koed like barrera had
that's a victory all be itself

erik is badass MOFO

kadyo

03-31-2005, 08:35 AM

erik had never been koed like barrera had
that's a victory all be itself

erik is badass MOFO

Give it up dude . Barrera is batter that morales by virtue of their fights and don't ever use other excuses like pac beat MAB and EM beat pac because it becomes a question of which comes first, chicken or egg? :D

SnoopySmurf

03-31-2005, 08:35 AM

My point is, Erik has been beaten by a freshly beaten fighter - Barrera.

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 08:38 AM

My point is, Erik has been beaten by a freshly beaten fighter - Barrera.
please gime a break

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 08:39 AM

Give it up dude . Barrera is batter that morales by virtue of their fights and don't ever use other excuses like pac beat MAB and EM beat pac because it becomes a question of which comes first, chicken or egg? :D
only in your fantasies barrera is better hahah no way jose not to me
erik morales is the king

czars_salad

03-31-2005, 08:45 AM

My point is, Erik has been beaten by a freshly beaten fighter - Barrera.
great observation ;)

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 08:47 AM

great observation ;)
stop kissin ass punk

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 08:49 AM

erik is never been koed
barrera had big time he could never be great when there is some who ktfo unless he take on pacman and defeat him

erik is the king of mexico

NAB

03-31-2005, 08:50 AM

Ricardo Lopez?? Is he this generation, or does he just miss out?

SnoopySmurf

03-31-2005, 08:57 AM

Until Julio Cesar Chavez retires, he's still the greatest of his generation. He's way past his prime now...but his fame will never be eclipsed.

But there was one better than him, IMO. Way back in the past : Salvador Sanchez. Truly, I think he would have beaten anyone from any generation at his weight class.

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 09:09 AM

K-Yo

03-31-2005, 09:13 AM

You can make an argument for both but the fact that Barrera lost to Jones was because he wasnt as developed as he became later. They are both great fighters and if one was to be better it wouldnt be by much i think Erik could beat Barrera but everytime they fight he has too much pride to box and he just goes to war, for example the second fight was more of a boxing match and i think a lot of people apart from the judges had Erik taking it.

SnoopySmurf

03-31-2005, 09:16 AM

i saw sanchez fight and morales is better than him :)

Man, you're worse than Klitchko and Ruiz fans.

Stickman

03-31-2005, 09:19 AM

Morales is a great, but Marquez is faster, more skilled, and a bigger puncher as well. He's the best of this generation, in my opinion.

oldgringo

03-31-2005, 11:16 AM

Morales is a great, but Marquez is faster, more skilled, and a bigger puncher as well. He's the best of this generation, in my opinion.

No way in hell. Morales has had stiffer competition, has a better record, and has held world titles at 3 different weight classes. Morales is more versatile and is the bigger puncher at 126 IMO. Morales would beat Marquez if they fought...

SnoopySmurf

03-31-2005, 11:32 AM

How many times did Morales fight at 126? And what's the story about Marquez not getting fights with Barrera and Morales?

amaru

03-31-2005, 11:44 AM

i think barrera and morales were each others equal until barrera beat him on november 27th. barrera in my opinion is mexicos best mexican figter of this generation. both fighters have won titles in 3 weight classes, both fighters have beaten i think its over 15 boxers who have held world titles and both fighters have lost fights. the only thing that seperates the 2 boxers is the fact that barrera has beaten morales twice and morales has beaten barrera once.this in my opinion makes him the better boxer between the 2 fighters.

adrsan84

03-31-2005, 11:53 AM

i saw sanchez fight and morales is better than him :)
your joking right?
because that's pretty funny, remember sanchez beat all the names he did as convincingly as he did before he was 24, not even near his prime yet. maybe morales has done more now but only cuz he's been fighting much longer.

JOM'S

03-31-2005, 11:57 AM

imho, NOW ITS A TOSS UP BETWEEN ERIK AND MARCO, the 3rd fight did not settle anything, they should do it again and hopefuly after a third try KO the other guy ...

m00ks

03-31-2005, 11:59 AM

Man, you're worse than Klitchko and Ruiz fans.

didn't even know ruiz had fans

amaru

03-31-2005, 12:01 PM

imho, NOW ITS A TOSS UP BETWEEN ERIK AND MARCO, the 3rd fight did not settle anything, they should do it again and hopefuly after a third try KO the other guy ...

your saying the third fight did not settle anything??? it settled a lot in my opinon. there is no need to have anymore barrera vs morales fights, barrera has proved he is better than morales. both these 2 fighters can fight other fighters, if they keep on fightin eachother its just gonna turn into a tv series.

JOM'S

03-31-2005, 12:02 PM

Mi Amigo I am a GREAT FAN OF SALVADOR SANCHEZ, IMHO he could possibly been the greatest MEXICAN FIGHTER if that accident did not happen ...

JOM'S

03-31-2005, 12:07 PM

No way in hell. Morales has had stiffer competition, has a better record, and has held world titles at 3 different weight classes. Morales is more versatile and is the bigger puncher at 126 IMO. Morales would beat Marquez if they fought...

i think Erik is overall better fighter than JMM, mainly because of his chin and power, IMHO, JMM is a better technician inside the ring, would love to see them fight ...

dino

03-31-2005, 12:08 PM

de la hoya is...hes fought everybody..and beat everybody other then a much bigger fighter in hopkins quartey (in my eyes) and mosley the first time

JOM'S

03-31-2005, 12:11 PM

your saying the third fight did not settle anything??? it settled a lot in my opinon. there is no need to have anymore barrera vs morales fights, barrera has proved he is better than morales. both these 2 fighters can fight other fighters, if they keep on fightin eachother its just gonna turn into a tv series.

3 close fight and you think it is settled, who between the two is better ??? anytime this two guys fight its a toss up, IMHO one must be KTFO to finally settle everything and i think if they face each other again one of them will be KTFO ...

The Troll

03-31-2005, 12:24 PM

de la hoya is...hes fought everybody..and beat everybody other then a much bigger fighter in hopkins quartey (in my eyes) and mosley the first time

De La Hoya is an overrated media creation dickhead, he is the Sugar Ray leanord of the 90's. "The Golden Boy"

Actualy De La Hoya was pretty ferocious early in his career but since like the Chavez fight he has not done much except beat Quartey and he only barely beat him. But he has good skills obviously, he won the gold medal or whatever in the amateures at the olympics, but I like Barrera and Morales and Chavez, Vargas alot more than him.

The Troll

03-31-2005, 12:31 PM

Its funny how De La Hoya's stock never seems to drop despite the fact he has lost like his last several fights, given they were all top notch opposition. He lost to Sturm, he lost to Hopkins, he lost to Mosely. His last quality win is against Vargas in 2002. But he has essentially lost has last 3 fights. Maybe he should retire.

Jones looses 2 in a row everybody says he should retire

Michalczewski looses 2 last fights everybody says he should retire.

I dont know why De La Hoya is not held to this standard.
If he looses his next fight he should definitely retire.

m00ks

03-31-2005, 12:34 PM

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 12:36 PM

i'm losing all the respect for barrera for not facing pacman in a remacth barrera needs that rematch badly

besides erik had beaten the 2 fighter that koed barrera badly that to me all by itself is a triumph for erik on their feud

The Troll

03-31-2005, 12:36 PM

IF he continues to fight I expect he will continue to lose.

.::|ULTIMATE|::.

03-31-2005, 12:39 PM

m00ks

03-31-2005, 12:43 PM

IF he continues to fight I expect he will continue to lose.

But watch him cash in anyway.

amaru

03-31-2005, 04:13 PM

Morales is certainly the best Mexican fighter of this generation. Morales has only lost to mab (once imo)you could argue simply styles, anyway he has gone through tougher more skilled opponents one after another and pulled out the W. MAB is certainly on his heels but so far but he has 2 TKO looses against two different opponents that had him on the canvas.

no one can ever doubt erik morales as a fighter and a boxer. i just feel that barrera has done more or less the same what erik morales has doen, but more importantly beat him twice and that to me is the crucial deciding factor. barrera has faced tough opposition too in his career, just like erik morales. barrera has victories over tough fighters like kennedy mckinney, enrique sanchez, jesus salud and prince naseem hamed. also if morales has only lost once to barrera in your opinion it can also be disputed that morales lost to guty espades (i thinks it him, i could be wrong tho) too. barrera's record can be very decieving too, many people thought he did not lose the first fight with morales and it was also a very close second fight with junior jones that he lost, he easily could of got that decison. that then puts barreras losses to only 2 defeats. there is no shame in being KO'd either against top opposition. junior jones KO'd him, he was a world champion, manny pacquaio KO'd him and he was a world champion. if barrera got KO'd by journeymen or crap fighters then that could tarnish his record. barrera isnt even a 130lb fighter yet he went up to morales' weight class and beat him. that to me says a lot of barrera character. he fought morales on his terms and still won the fight.

i respect your post tho, it has valid points.

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 04:31 PM

.::|ULTIMATE|::.

03-31-2005, 05:37 PM

no one can ever doubt erik morales as a fighter and a boxer. i just feel that barrera has done more or less the same what erik morales has doen, but more importantly beat him twice and that to me is the crucial deciding factor. barrera has faced tough opposition too in his career, just like erik morales. barrera has victories over tough fighters like kennedy mckinney, enrique sanchez, jesus salud and prince naseem hamed. also if morales has only lost once to barrera in your opinion it can also be disputed that morales lost to guty espades (i thinks it him, i could be wrong tho) too. barrera's record can be very decieving too, many people thought he did not lose the first fight with morales and it was also a very close second fight with junior jones that he lost, he easily could of got that decison. that then puts barreras losses to only 2 defeats. there is no shame in being KO'd either against top opposition. junior jones KO'd him, he was a world champion, manny pacquaio KO'd him and he was a world champion. if barrera got KO'd by journeymen or crap fighters then that could tarnish his record. barrera isnt even a 130lb fighter yet he went up to morales' weight class and beat him. that to me says a lot of barrera character. he fought morales on his terms and still won the fight.

i respect your post tho, it has valid points.

Thanks man, sure u could argue Espadas beat Morales in their first encounter or said he would have won had he been more aggressive, however, and this is what helps puts Morales over Barrera ...
Morales silenced the argument when he gave him a rematch where he stopped him.

Barrera tried to avenge his loss against Jones and was unable to. He was met with another loss. He was then stopped against pacquiao where it was easily apparent at least to me that his heart gave out, he didnt want to fight anymore.

As you agreed yourself the Barrera Morales trilogy is so close all the wins and looses are validly debatable. And the reason a 4th bout between the two fighters would still have lots of demand. Where we can judge however is what they have accomplished and how they did it, and you have to give the nod to Morales who has faced more of the high level opposition despite less years in the game than Barrera.

Palma

03-31-2005, 05:45 PM

everyone has an opinion
i respect that
but erik had victories over the 2 guys who had koed barrera that to me is a victory in their feud
beside those two loses vs barrera could of go either way

Just a question and please take no offense. But would you still consider Morales the premiere Mexican born fighter (Next to Chavez of course) if he had lost to Pac Man?

I mean if he had lost to Pac Man than he would have that strike and 2 defeats to Barrera.

It's just a hypothetical question. I was just curious what others thought.

Big Props to your fighter morales. He was the better man that night when he faced Pac. I await for the rematch!

amaru

03-31-2005, 06:09 PM

even so barrera don't have the cojones to face pacman in a rematch
erik face anyone anytime
that's the diference that's the huge diference

what you gotta realize is that boxing is all about politics, barrera has even said in interviews that he wants to face pacman again, he said pacmans like a thorn in his side that he has to get rid of, barrera wants the fight. but he has mandatories with the WBC belt that he has to defend and im sure his promotors dont want to put him in straight away against pacman.

theres even talk about pacman facing barrera by the end of the year so i guess we all have to wait and see what happens. i admit tho, if barrera does not get in the ring with pacman again then that would tell me he does not wanna fight him and perhaps he thinks he cant beat him.

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 06:19 PM

Just a question and please take no offense. But would you still consider Morales the premiere Mexican born fighter (Next to Chavez of course) if he had lost to Pac Man?

I mean if he had lost to Pac Man than he would have that strike and 2 defeats to Barrera.

It's just a hypothetical question. I was just curious what others thought.

Big Props to your fighter morales. He was the better man that night when he faced Pac. I await for the rematch!

by defeating pacman he defeated a great fighter the one call the peoples champion and he did it coming into the fight as an underdog 3-1 this was the ONE fight IMO for morales to consolidate his legacy in he did it in a great fashion despite the 2 loses to barrera that IMO opinion were razor thin close
besides in his record he had fought a total of 12 world class champions out of his total of 50 professional fights,he has never been KOed moreover last four fighter he faced were all top notch fighters (chavez,hernandez,barrera and paquiao) for all this and more erik morales is the best fighter of this generation
so if you take all this in consideration my answer to you first question would be NO pacman was a great victory that help consolidate his legacy and to make people believe

amaru

03-31-2005, 06:20 PM

Thanks man, sure u could argue Espadas beat Morales in their first encounter or said he would have won had he been more aggressive, however, and this is what helps puts Morales over Barrera ...
Morales silenced the argument when he gave him a rematch where he stopped him.

Barrera tried to avenge his loss against Jones and was unable to. He was met with another loss. He was then stopped against pacquiao where it was easily apparent at least to me that his heart gave out, he didnt want to fight anymore.

As you agreed yourself the Barrera Morales trilogy is so close all the wins and looses are validly debatable. And the reason a 4th bout between the two fighters would still have lots of demand. Where we can judge however is what they have accomplished and how they did it, and you have to give the nod to Morales who has faced more of the high level opposition despite less years in the game than Barrera.

great post ULTIMATE. thats a good example you used against morales giving espades a rematch and winning to silence any doubters and arguements. however the same thing could be said about barrera. when barrera lost his first with morales, he got a rematch and won. when it was disputed whether he won or not they fought a third time and although it was very close again barrera won, so this could put barrera on morales' level, rather than putting morales ahead of barrera. at the end of the day both fighters are great fighters, legends and will go down in history as hall of fame fighters and most importantly are loved and treated like kings in their country mexico. if barrera did not exsist in this generation then morales would be mexicos best fighter of this generation and if morales did not exsist the best mexican fighter of this generation would go to barrera. both are great fighters and both will go down in history.

USA4LIFE

03-31-2005, 10:16 PM

I love both these guys, they are awsome fighters and they have done so much for this sport, but dont say that barrera has no cajones, thats going too far. He choce to fight morales which shows lots of cajones, he got a rematch won and gave morales a rematch which shows cajones. He never said he never wants to fight paquao, he still has plenty of time for a rematch. They are both going to go in the Hall of Fame so im happy about that.

IwatchBoxing

03-31-2005, 10:24 PM

The Golden boy is best Mexican fighter of this generation .

Sir_Jose

03-31-2005, 10:24 PM

Yes Erik is the best Mexican fighter of this generation and a top 5 Mexican aswell.

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 10:26 PM

Chups

03-31-2005, 10:37 PM

Barrera is the top and most revered Mexican fighter today.

mauricio95

03-31-2005, 10:38 PM

Barrera is the top and most revered Mexican fighter today.
you said that cuz youre a pacfan :D

nezahualcoyotl

03-31-2005, 10:44 PM

The Golden boy is best Mexican fighter of this generation .

The golden girl is not. Erik Morales is. Action speaks louder than words.

Chups

01-26-2006, 11:06 AM

adeelr

01-26-2006, 11:16 AM

Morales and Barrera have very similar resumes, you cannot say one is better than the other.

dep_violator

01-26-2006, 12:56 PM

The Golden boy is best Mexican fighter of this generation .
The golden boy? Is he the best? I thought the golden GAY is the best fighter. lol!

Morales is the best fighter of his generation. No doubt.

LondonRingRules

01-26-2006, 01:19 PM

The golden boy? Is he the best? I thought the golden GAY is the best fighter. lol!

Morales is the best fighter of his generation. No doubt.
** Don't know why anyone would mention Oscar who's American, but clearly Barrera is the best Mexican fighter not named JCChavez. Not only did he have the number of Morales, but he demolished the best feather of that era, Hamed. Now Manny looks to be the best feather and I'm not sure if he avenges his KO to Manny, but regardless, MAB is it.

SuckaPunch

01-26-2006, 01:27 PM

** Don't know why anyone would mention Oscar who's American, but clearly Barrera is the best Mexican fighter not named JCChavez. Not only did he have the number of Morales, but he demolished the best feather of that era, Hamed. Now Manny looks to be the best feather and I'm not sure if he avenges his KO to Manny, but regardless, MAB is it.

Barrera schooled Naz, NOT demolished.

Erik Morales by far is the best Mexican fighter of this generation, and he lived up to being a real Mexican fighter.

Barrera stopped being Mexican after he started outboxing his opponents and not outslugging them.

Easy-E

01-26-2006, 01:58 PM

Morales doesn't want to face Barrera again. Barrera is Erik's demon.

well now it may be barrera AND pac

Easy-E

01-26-2006, 01:59 PM

Barrera schooled Naz, NOT demolished.

Erik Morales by far is the best Mexican fighter of this generation, and he lived up to being a real Mexican fighter.

Barrera stopped being Mexican after he started outboxing his opponents and not outslugging them.

barrera outclassed the best mexican figher of this genereation twice :rolleyes:

Easy-E

01-26-2006, 02:00 PM

^^^^
so did zahir raheem :rolleyes:

IwatchBoxing

01-26-2006, 02:05 PM

Best Mexican fighters of this generation:
DLH
Ricardo Lopez - one of the all-time greats and finished off his great career on
the Felix Trinidad/Bernard Hopkins undercard
Barrera/Morales tied at 3

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 02:08 PM

IwatchBoxing

01-26-2006, 02:10 PM

Oscar DeLaHoya.....is American, not Mexican.
Well, he promotes Mexcans, has 100 million Mexican fans, has a father n mother who are Mexican, eats Mexican food, talks Mexican, looks Mexican, has a boxing show with nothing but Mexicans, but I guess all that culture shows hes Amrican :rolleyes: how dumb is it to say Oscar De La Hoya (really Aerican name) is American.

mic573

01-26-2006, 02:11 PM

Barrera stopped being Mexican after he started outboxing his opponents and not outslugging them.

So your saying the great Ricardo Lopez isn't considered a real Mexican fighter.

Easy-E

01-26-2006, 02:13 PM

Well, he promotes Mexcans, has 100 million Mexican fans, has a father n mother who are Mexican, eats Mexican food, talks Mexican, looks Mexican, has a boxing show with nothing but Mexicans, but I guess all that culture shows hes Amrican :rolleyes: how dumb is it to say Oscar De La Hoya (really Aerican name) is American.

well im not sure if he eats alot of mexican food, because most of it isnt very healthy and he needs to be in tip top shape...ahahhahha

mic573

01-26-2006, 02:13 PM

One on one I think Barrera will always get the better of Morales but comparing records I say Morales has the edge.

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 02:14 PM

Well, he promotes Mexcans, has 100 million Mexican fans, has a father n mother who are Mexican, eats Mexican food, talks Mexican, looks Mexican, has a boxing show with nothing but Mexicans, but I guess all that culture shows hes Amrican :rolleyes: how dumb is it to say Oscar De La Hoya (really Aerican name) is American.

Born in America....raised in America...Won a gold medal for America....

Has he EVER fought outside of the USA ?

equals

American.....you racist idiot.

IwatchBoxing

01-26-2006, 02:19 PM

Born in America....raised in America...Won a gold medal for America....

Has he EVER fought outside of the USA ?

equals

American.....you racist idiot.
You live in England, how the **** would you know what I'm talking about? You even think DLH speaks English as his first language? Haha, you fooling yourself...when talking about great Mexicand, DLH has to be mentioned, dumb ass.

tracylee

01-26-2006, 02:21 PM

Best Mexican fighters of this generation:
DLH
Ricardo Lopez - one of the all-time greats and finished off his great career on
the Felix Trinidad/Bernard Hopkins undercard
Barrera/Morales tied at 3

DLH was only Mexican when it suited him. Most mexicans dont consider him one of 'them' and DLH knows this.
Anyway, as for the question, I consider Morales the best of his generation too. 3 controversial, extremely close bouts with Barrera doesnt make Barrera the better of the two, IMO. It's hard to go by the 2 out of 3 wins Barrera got when the first two times the judges got it assbackwards.

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 02:22 PM

You live in England, how the **** would you know what I'm talking about? You even think DLH speaks English as his first language? Haha, you fooling yourself...when talking about great Mexicand, DLH has to be mentioned, dumb ass.

Wait...they went & moved Philadelphia out of Pennsylvania ?
Or was Pennsylvania moved out of the United States ?
How, when ? Where was I ?

Oscar DeLaHoya has never lived in Mexico....never fought there.
So what if he eats Mexican food ? The rich bastard has paid every penny in taxes, to the USA.

Damn, he couldn't be more American, jackass.

scap

01-26-2006, 02:22 PM

You live in England, how the **** would you know what I'm talking about? You even think DLH speaks English as his first language? Haha, you fooling yourself...when talking about great Mexicand, DLH has to be mentioned, dumb ass.

I love it when 13 year-old-pre-teen Puerto Ricans get a little full of themsleves-I ****ing love it!

IWATCH-remember your still PR and you still owe me $10 bucks.

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 02:25 PM

Scap....

I still don't know if Trinidad is really a Puerto Rican boxer.
As far as I know, he hasn't had any kind of substance abuse problem after winning a title, which makes him not anything like his predecessors.

IwatchBoxing

01-26-2006, 02:26 PM

Wait...they went & moved Philadelphia out of Pennsylvania ?
Or was Pennsylvania moved out of the United States ?
How, when ? Where was I ?

Oscar DeLaHoya has never lived in Mexico....never fought there.
So what if he eats Mexican food ? The rich bastard has paid every penny in taxes, to the USA.

Damn, he couldn't be more American, jackass.
So, I guess is son is 100% Puerto Rican than since hes born in Puerto Rico?

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 02:28 PM

So, I guess is son is 100% Puerto Rican than since hes born in Puerto Rico?

I don't know what that makes him.....but the kid sure as hell isn't a Mexican....with his Puerto Rican mother & American father.

IwatchBoxing

01-26-2006, 02:29 PM

I don't know what that makes him.....but the kid sure as hell isn't a Mexican....with his Puerto Rican mother & American father.
Your retarded..

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 02:30 PM

Your retarded..

Is that Mexican for "right" ?

{BrownBomber}

01-26-2006, 02:31 PM

Damn! Im Mexican and I didnt know we had our own language. I speak Mexican............:rolleyes: DLH is AMerican not Mexican, his roots are Mexican.Perfect example would be Lenox Lewis.

IwatchBoxing

01-26-2006, 02:31 PM

I don't know what that makes him.....but the kid sure as hell isn't a Mexican....with his Puerto Rican mother & American father.
But since hes born in Puerto Rico, so that must make him 100% Puerto Rican (duh, why didnt I think of that :D )

SnoopySmurf

01-26-2006, 02:33 PM

What the hell are you guys arguing about?

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 02:34 PM

But since hes born in Puerto Rico, so that must make him 100% Puerto Rican (duh, why didnt I think of that :D )

If he's born there....raised there....lives there thirty + years from now- without ever living anywhere else....makes ALL of his money there...
He's a Puerto Rican.

It's very simple.

If he manages to become a great fighter, you will on-line suck his Puerto Rican dick.

Easy-E

01-26-2006, 02:34 PM

But since hes born in Puerto Rico, so that must make him 100% Puerto Rican (duh, why didnt I think of that :D )

so dlh is 100% american, according to that logic, correct?

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 02:35 PM

Fact is....

When those who really know boxing discuss Mexico's best ever....Oscar DeLaHoy will not be named.
Because he is not a true Mexican.

IwatchBoxing

01-26-2006, 02:37 PM

If he's born there....raised there....lives there thirty + years from now- without ever living anywhere else....makes ALL of his money there...
He's a Puerto Rican.

It's very simple.

If he manages to become a great fighter, you will on-line suck his Puerto Rican dick.
DLH lived in baby Mexico, nothing but Mexican, has Mexican parents, speaks Mexican (Brown. meaning he says vato loco's), looks Mexican, dresses Mexicans, hes Mexican. Just cause you move somewhere, doesnt mean you are part of there.

IwatchBoxing

01-26-2006, 02:38 PM

so dlh is 100% american, according to that logic, correct?
I guess thats what this retard is trying to say :haha:

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 02:44 PM

I guess thats what this retard is trying to say :haha:

fact is....he's not getting mentioned alongside other Mexican greats, when discussing that nation's fighters.

That's the way boxing people & historians have done it, & will do it.

You, nothing more than a Puerto Rican racist who can't think outside of Puerto Rican boxing.....can't change that.

IwatchBoxing

01-26-2006, 02:48 PM

fact is....he's not getting mentioned alongside other Mexican greats, when discussing that nation's fighters.

That's the way boxing people & historians have done it, & will do it.

You, nothing more than a Puerto Rican racist who can't think outside of Puerto Rican boxing.....can't change that.
Blacks call temselfs African-Americans, maybe hes Mexican-American, but I'm pretty sure hes Mexican. Its racist not to include DLH on the great Mexican list, just because he was born in America, and you talk like Mexicans aren't a race,m so how can I be racist?

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 02:50 PM

Blacks call temselfs African-Americans, maybe hes Mexican-American, but I'm pretty sure hes Mexican. Its racist not to include DLH on the great Mexican list, just because he was born in America, and you talk like Mexicans aren't a race,m so how can I be racist?

It's not "racist" to put Oscar on a best-Mexicn-ever list, generally.

But, you only put him on there because of Trinidad having a win over him.

IwatchBoxing

01-26-2006, 02:51 PM

It's not "racist" to put Oscar on a best-Mexicn-ever list, generally.

But, you only put him on there because of Trinidad having a win over him.
Ha! Thats why they refuse to put him on there

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 02:52 PM

Ha! Thats why they refuse to put him on there

yeah.....it has nothing to do with Oscar's wins over their true Mexican hero, Julio Cesar Chavez....does it ?

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 02:53 PM

Truthfully....he's not on there, because he is just too damn American.

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 02:55 PM

Oscar DeLaHoya
Sex Male
Nationality US American
Alias Golden Boy
Federal ID CA036576
Hometown Los Angeles, CA, USA
Birthplace Montebello, CA, USA
Division Middleweight
Date of Birth 1973-02-04
Reach 73”
Stance Orthodox
Height 5' 10½
Trainer Floyd Mayweather Sr.
Manager Self
W 37 (29 ko's) | L 4 | D 0 | Total 41

Yup....that looks like a town in Mexico !

AintGottaClue

01-26-2006, 03:03 PM

Barrera > morales always

Manny_P

01-26-2006, 03:04 PM

so Brian Viloria isnt Filipino becuz he born in Hawaii? :D

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 03:06 PM

so Brian Viloria isnt Filipino becuz he born in Hawaii? :D

If he fights ALL of his carerr out of the USA, without ever once venturing into the Phillipines for a fight...
Then he's an American fighter first, & a Filipino second.

Tell your boys, if they wanna be recognized differently, stop fighting for the USA in the Olympics !

Manny_P

01-26-2006, 03:10 PM

This shyt is confusing to be honest.

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 03:13 PM

Manny_P

01-26-2006, 03:15 PM

Of course it is....you aren't very bright.

Seriously....
If you've followed boxing for a long time, you'd understand where I'm coming from.
Oscar DeLaHoya is an American fighter. Had every one of his fights here, won a gold medal representing the USA.
He's an American sports superstar.

I'm not denying his heritage. But, things are viewed differently in the boxing world.

ok then what would you call me? I was born in Philippines came here when I was 12-13, but has lived in America since.

Im American now? :D I feel whole Filipino.

Easy-E

01-26-2006, 03:18 PM

ok then what would you call me? I was born in Philippines came here when I was 12-13, but has lived in America since.

Im American now? :D I feel whole Filipino.

manny, dlh was born in the united states. he is an american, with mexican heritage.

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 03:18 PM

ok then what would you call me? I was born in Philippines came here when I was 12-13, but has lived in America since.

Im American now? :D I feel whole Filipnio.

First- Oscar was born in the USA. Raised here, too.
You spent twelve years in the Phillipines.

Still, if you fight in the Olympics for the USA, & then go & have 40 fights nowhere else but the USA....you are an American.

machotime

01-26-2006, 03:18 PM

ok then what would you call me? I was born in Philippines came here when I was 12-13, but has lived in America since.

Im American now? :D I feel whole Filipino.
I think if you look inbetween your legs, anyone could tell that you are philipino, or asian at least. :bad: :D

Manny_P

01-26-2006, 03:19 PM

manny, dlh was born in the united states. he is an american, with mexican heritage.

so this is where they get arguments in. So according to jabsRstiff logic Viloria is American, yet if you ask ANY Filipino that know him, the automatic response would be "He's Filipino". :D

Manny_P

01-26-2006, 03:20 PM

I think if you look inbetween your legs, anyone could tell that you are philipino, or asian at least. :bad: :D

You're gettin close to gettin banned. Stop racist shyt in this website.

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 03:21 PM

so this is where they get arguments in. So according to jabsRstiff logic Viloria is American, yet if you ask ANY Filipino that know him, the automatic response would "He's Filipino". :D

ask any Mexican what Oscar DeLaHoya is & they'll say "He isn't Mexican !"

Manny_P

01-26-2006, 03:22 PM

ask any Mexican what Oscar DeLaHoya is & they'll say "He isn't Mexican !"

but if you ask me, I'd say HE's MEXCIAN-AMERICAN.

I think that's the mistake you and Iwatch made. You want to call delahoya American, and Iwatch says he's Mexican :D!

Call him Mexican-American then and this settles it. You agree? :D

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 03:23 PM

but if you ask me, I'd say HE's MEXCIAN-AMERICAN.

I think that's the mistake you and Iwatch made. You want to call delahoya American, and Iwatch says he's Mexican :D!

Call him Mexican-American then and this settles it. You agree? :D

RIGHT....

But...my point is that he will not be remembered as a MEXICAN FIGHTER.

machotime

01-26-2006, 03:27 PM

You're gettin close to gettin banned. Stop racist shyt in this website.
I didn't think it was racist, but it sure was funny. If I hurt your feelings, im sorry :bukkake:

Parody

01-26-2006, 03:32 PM

erik is never been koed
barrera had big time he could never be great when there is some who ktfo unless he take on pacman and defeat him

erik is the king of mexico

erik had never been koed like barrera had
that's a victory all be itself

erik is badass MOFO

I bet your going to stop all that bull****, because Eric got knocked the **** out, and Barrera survived a round extra than Morales.

IwatchBoxing

01-26-2006, 03:43 PM

RIGHT....

But...my point is that he will not be remembered as a MEXICAN FIGHTER.
He already is, you want to take him off the list cause he lost to Trinidad, in the greatest Mexico vs Puerto Rico fight ever, cause 70% of the Mexicans fighting now are American to your opinion, yet their still refferred as Mexicans. **** being PC, I'ma say Chirstmas, and keep telling it as it is.

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 03:45 PM

IwatchBoxing

01-26-2006, 03:48 PM

Turd....

I'm one of the biggest Tito fans on this board.
How many Trinidad fights have you been to ? Probably two less than I.
I have been to two.

Also, I hate Oscar DeLaHoya...always have, & always will.
JabsRstiff, your the one who told me that DLH, and Trinidad dont make your top 50 greatest anything.

jabsRstiff

01-26-2006, 03:56 PM

I don't think I said that.
But, I don't know if they're in the top 50, all time.
I'd have to think about that.

I've been a huge Trinidad fan since the day I saw him smoke Blocker.

IwatchBoxing

01-26-2006, 03:57 PM

I don't think I said that.
But, I don't know if they're in the top 50, all time.
I'd have to think about that.

I've been a huge Trinidad fan since the day I saw him smoke Blocker.
Hey retard, maybe you should stick to boxing history, cause with your old age, I doubt you can keep up. :D

Easy-E

01-26-2006, 03:59 PM

morancito

01-26-2006, 04:05 PM

i saw sanchez fight and morales is better than him :)

You clearly didn't see Sanchez fight. Not only was he way better than Morales, he was even better than Chavez himself. Chava is the best fighter my Country has ever produced.

The best Mexican boxer of this generation is Finito López, no question, with Marco Antonio Barrera a close second and Morales a very, very close third.

DiEgO_cHiCo_CoRRaLeS

01-26-2006, 04:14 PM

dude how can you say morales is better when barrera beat his ass twice!

jack_the_rippuh

01-26-2006, 04:15 PM

Morales < Barrera....always and forever.

NAB

01-26-2006, 11:56 PM

From over here... Oscar is American.

S0UTHPAW

01-27-2006, 02:01 AM

So wait a second, lets say there is a American citizen that was born in China and raised in Germany, he gets his freak off with a Mexican citizen born in Egypt, but studied French history in Iraq. Now the lady gets all chubby and plops out a kid in a airplane flying over the border of North and South Korea......

Now what the hell does that make him/her?

NAB

01-27-2006, 07:52 AM

Manny_P

01-27-2006, 07:54 AM

Morales < Barrera....always and forever.

Morales < Barrrera < Pacquaio now mo than ever!

dep_violator

01-27-2006, 07:56 AM

Morales < Barrrera < Pacquaio now mo than ever!
PERFECT!!!

hellfire508

01-27-2006, 08:08 AM

I think the best Mexican fighter ever was Salvador Sanchez, followed very closely by Julio Cesar Chavez.

I think Erik slightly has the wood over Barrera. I like both these guys ALOT, but I give the edge to Erik. He has wins over the guys Marco lost to - in Jones, Pacquiao. Plus he beat Marco in the first fight on my card, and the second. Marco clearly won the third. (Opinions differ on the 1st and 2nd, but I gave both to Erik). The you have wins over McCullough, In Jin Chi,Hernandez, Jesus Chavez. And to me - heart means a lot. And Erik has as much heart as any fighter in history...

tracylee

01-27-2006, 11:19 AM

so this is where they get arguments in. So according to jabsRstiff logic Viloria is American, yet if you ask ANY Filipino that know him, the automatic response would be "He's Filipino". :D

Why does he go by the name "the Hawaiian Punch" instead of the Filipino Punch? I knew he was hawaiian, but this is the first I've heard about any filipion heritage or background :confused:

Manny_P

01-27-2006, 11:23 AM

Why does he go by the name "the Hawaiian Punch" instead of the Filipino Punch? I knew he was hawaiian, but this is the first I've heard about any filipion heritage or background :confused:

yea yo, he's 100% Filipno blood.

he call it Hawain Punch cuz he live there and gots pride where he live at.

While Viloria got his "Hawwain Punch" no one beats Pac's "Manila Ice" :D

SnoopySmurf

01-27-2006, 11:23 AM

Why does he go by the name "the Hawaiian Punch" instead of the Filipino Punch? I knew he was hawaiian, but this is the first I've heard about any filipion heritage or background :confused:

Simple. He lives in Hawaii. Everyone knows about the fruit punch, Hawaiian Punch. He's a fighter. So they use the metaphor like many other fighters do.

In fact, he's not the first Filipino fighter from Hawaii to use this (Andrew Ganigan).

GunStar

01-27-2006, 11:23 AM

tracylee

01-27-2006, 11:25 AM

Simple. He lives in Hawaii. Everyone knows about the fruit punch, Hawaiian Punch. He's a fighter. So they use the metaphor like many other fighters do.

In fact, he's not the first Filipino fighter from Hawaii to use this.

I see..thanks for clarifying ;) lol, I had no idea he was filipino...and I like the guy! I should keep up better with the finer details :o

mic573

01-27-2006, 12:16 PM

tracylee

01-27-2006, 12:18 PM

He announced that he was Filipino a few months back.

and i missed it..figures :o

dep_violator

01-27-2006, 01:30 PM

He announced that he was Filipino a few months back.
Personally, I think this Villoria guy is a turn-coat ****.

He's not a Filipino but a mere leech who wants to ride PAC's bandwagon.

He represented another country while still an amateur and now that circumstances warrant him advantageous to try to turn-coat, he does so.

SnoopySmurf

01-27-2006, 03:08 PM

Personally, I think this Villoria guy is a turn-coat ****.

He's not a Filipino but a mere leech who wants to ride PAC's bandwagon.

He represented another country while still an amateur and now that circumstances warrant him advantageous to try to turn-coat, he does so.

He's an American Citizen who was part of the US Olympic team. Pro boxing isn't about what country you represent, unlike the Olympics. Pro boxing is an individual vs individual event. It has nothing to do with politics like the Olympics. Even early in his pro career, he mentioned about the problems in keeping his weight because of the fatty Filipino food his mom makes.

He honors his parents and his heritage by wearing the Philippine flag. It's also to help inspire Filipinos of his ancestral home to let them know that they can be successful anywhere. You sure you're not "pak-men"? Coz he also called Viloria a "turn coat".

morancito

01-27-2006, 03:22 PM

He already is, you want to take him off the list cause he lost to Trinidad, in the greatest Mexico vs Puerto Rico fight ever, cause 70% of the Mexicans fighting now are American to your opinion, yet their still refferred as Mexicans. **** being PC, I'ma say Chirstmas, and keep telling it as it is.

Oh man, you are disgusting. Ask any Mexican boxing fan, not even 5% of us will tell you DLH is Mexican, or considered as one. Oscar doesn't want to be Mexican, it was just a PR move to enter the Latin market with Golden Boy Promotions.

I didn't even care, nor did the other 95% of Mexican boxing fans, when he was robbed against Tito. I actually loved it. **** DLH.

There are a lot of knowledgeable Ricans here who can tell you that the greatest Mexico vs Puerto Rico fight ever, our best ever vs your best ever, was Salvador Sanchez vs. Wilfredo Gomez. And you know who won that one. (Extreme, Machotime, you know I mean no disrespect with this post)

But more important, why do you have to make these forums your own personal place to spill your hatred towards Mexicans? I mean, did one of us banged your sister or something? You have a fixiation with Mexicans that used to bother me, but now only amuses me to no end.