How To Avoid The Draft Or National Service

By Rumor Mill News.com
No dodging. Just refuse to volunteer. Here's how --

I hope that you will not be offended if I tell you how the "draft" works. I realize that most people THINK they know how it works, but in most cases they are in error. And you can avoid the worry when 'College and Canada will not be options [because] in December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in.' Being willing (and eager) to fight for one's country when it is truly in danger is one thing. Having the courage to refuse to fight in immoral and/or unconstitutional "wars" is quite another matter, I believe. No need to "dodge" the ball if they're not allowed to hit you with it, if you merely 'take your stand' and refuse to VOLUNTEER!

1. Mr. A receives a "draft notice" and is told to report on a certain date to a certain place where he receives his physical and mental tests...then he is classified with a number indicating whether he is A1(first called).

Continued here: ...all the way down to 4F(unfit for duty).

2. Mr. A is told that he is to report for "induction" into the military and to appear at a certain military base for that purpose on a date specified.

3. By "LAW" he must appear there...or a warrant for his arrest will be issued.

4. Assuming he reports as directed he will have another brief physical and tests and then is told to "line up on the yellow line (painted on the floor)

5. A Recruiting Officer will then tell all those "joining the army (or whatever) to take one step forward... (Oh, oh, THOSE WHO DID THIS JUST "VOLUNTEERED!")This is done so that no one can "legally" claim they were "forced into involuntary servitude!"

"RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SWEAR ALLEGIANCE." (almost everyone does!...thinking it must be REQUIRED!): "I, (name) do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America and will defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic, and will obey the orders of the President and the officers appointed over me, so help me God."

6. Those who "voluntarily" stepped forward CANNOT NOW CLAIM THEY WERE "DRAFTED"...they stepped forward voluntarily and took the Oath voluntarily!

7. Assume Mr. B was smarter than Mr. A and HE DID NOT STEP FORWARD ANDTHEREFORE DID NOT TAKE THE OATH OF ALLEGIANCE. (the recruiter will probably say something like this: "what's the matter with you, don't you know what' step forward' means?" Mr. B responds, "sure I do, but I AM NOT VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY...If you want me you must 'take me' against my will by force!" 8. All of those who "volunteered" will now be excused from the room...and the Mr. B will be cajoled with persuasive arguments...at first...then, when nothing works to change his mind he will be called names and insulted, possibly even assaulted by one or more military people present there as witnesses.

9. IF Mr. B does not weaken, stands his ground, eventually the tormentors will give up and have him arrested on some charge. However, there is NO lawful way that they can MAKE him go into the military...because of the Constitutional prohibition against "involuntary servitude"...which is why NO ONE IS TRULY EVER "DRAFTED" AND MUST BE "SEDUCED " INTO VOLUNTEERING!

D. R. Graham Ret. Science Instructor and Ret. Military Officer - Australia

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One thing to say at this point is what the cops are coached to say on the witness stand: "Am I ordered?"

If the recruiter says "No" - then obviously you're OK. If the recruiter says "Yes" - then you say "By what authority do you, a military officer, order me, a civilian?" If the recruiter says anything else, repeat the question until you get Yes or No.

If the recruiter says "I order you by the authority of the United States Government" then respond: "Which clause of the Constitution gives you, a military officer, to order me, a civilian?" Another thing to say is: "Am I free to go?" If the recruiter says "Yes" - then obviously leave. If the recruiter says "No" then say: "Am I under arrest?" "Am I your prisoner?" "Am I kidnapped?" "If I'm not free, then what am I?" and again, keep repeating the question. Another thing to say is: "I want an attorney."

Another thing to say is, of course, *nothing* at all. I think I would go with "Am I free to go?" because if you get to "Yes" then you can leave and he would look bad ordering an arrest.

If you ask the question three times and don't get a yes or no, then say, "Well I must be free to go, because I asked you three times and you won't tell me I'm not."

Then I would slowly turn around and leave, and if he keeps trying to interact I would just keep repeating the question. === Here's an excerpt from a book:

The Army induction officer instructed the draftees to "take one step forward" as their names were called, and said that step would signify their induction into the Army. When reluctant Willie's name was called, he answered present, but did not step forward. After the ceremony, he went home instead of to camp. When the MP's came for him, he went to court for a writ of habeas corpus to retain his freedom. "The officer himself," Willie argued, "said the step forward is what would make me a soldier. As I didn't take the step, I'm still a civilian and the Army has no claim on me." Counsel for the Army replied, "The Army isn't being run by childish games. Willie and a hundred others appeared to be inducted, and he was inducted before the whole group as any fool there could plainly see."

Willie retained his civilian status. The court ruled that the draft law required some definite ceremony to transform a civilian into a soldier. As the Army decided to have one step forward constitute the ceremony, and Willie didn't take the step, he wasn't a soldier. U.S. Court of Appeals, 1954

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wow, awesome neils. im gonna print this ****, ill probably need it one day :D

**** running to canada. If I want to hide, I'll just go on national TV as a cruiserweight fighter.

Muhammad Ali already taught us what we need to say. I'm not going to some other country to kill other poor people. I'll stay here, fight you, kill you, (etc etc)...

Pulled this off of these sites:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=127&contentid=1799&page=1

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=127&contentid=1799&page=2


....Just the fact that your on conspiracy planet kind of says it all. READ MY LIPS. We will not have a draft in this country again!!!!

....Just the fact that your on conspiracy planet kind of says it all. READ MY LIPS. We will not have a draft in this country again!!!!

Somebody else famous said READ MY LIPS too...

Or maybe you're joking?

http://www.rense.com/general63/nat.htm

How To Stay Out of the Military (Draft Resistance)

By David Wiggins The legal requirement to register for the draft demands a decision: give up your freedom and your conscience, or conscientiously resist.

All the good reasons that would prevent a free man from volunteering for military service, also apply to resisting the draft. How in a "free country" can the first requirement of a young man, when he comes of age, be to sign up to accept orders to kill for the state in an organized way? There is never a need to compel a free man to take up a cause that is both necessary and just; but a man who is drafted is never free, and thus his cause can never be assumed to be either necessary or just.

The draft is not simply an academic interest. There is not enough military manpower to sustain the commitments the President has already undertaken.

We constantly hear that our troops are "stretched too thin." To assist the United States, both the President and Secretary of State have made serious requests for significant military manpower contributions from other nations.

Continued here: These requests have largely fallen on deaf ears. The President has repeatedly stated he will not "back down" meaning, we must assume, that the military forces will continue to be "thinly stretched."

Where will they find relief? It appears they are looking at young Americans who are free to volunteer for military duty, but in good conscience, choose not to do so.

With certain exceptions, all men residing in the United States are required to register for the draft within 30 days of their 18th birthday. The obligation of a man to register is imposed by the Military Selective Service Act, which establishes and governs the operations of the Selective Service System.

In addition to the Military Selective Service Act, the "Health Care Personnel Delivery System" was authorized by Congress in 1987 to deal with large-scale casualties that outstripped the active-duty military's ability to handle them.

If implemented, the bill would require a mass registration of male and female health care workers between the ages of 20 and 45. At this time; however, the Selective Service has no statutory authority to draft medical personnel. That authorization would be provided by legislation to be introduced and passed in Congress at the time of a national defense mobilization.

That "M-Day" legislative package has not been made available for public comment or congressional debate. See the Center on Conscience and Wars "Health Care Professionals and the Draft" for details regarding the Health Care Personnel Delivery System.

The Pentagon is considering other "special skills" drafts, to include military linguists, computer experts, or engineers, which could arise from other immediate needs. "We're going to elevate that kind of draft to be a priority," said Lewis Brodsky, acting director of the Selective Service System.

A bill before the House Armed Services Committee would require the induction of young men into the military "to receive basic military training and education for a period of up to one year."

but pbds says no...

i ve been drafted

Somebody else famous said READ MY LIPS too...

Or maybe you're joking?


....Actually, two Presidents are famous for saying "read my lips". But seriously, there will not be a draft in this country unless there is a catastrophic world war or somethihng. I don't think that will ever happen so I don't see a draft happening.

Is this true of Australia or the US? The person refrenced is D. R. Graham Ret. Science Instructor and Ret. Military Officer - Australia

But you do mention something about the U.S. Court of Appeals, 1954. Is there any case regarding Vietnam? As that judgement would be the most recent and probably used as the precedent for any future judgements.

i ve been drafted


Poor Frenchy. Make sure to bring a bottle of wine and a loaf of French (freedom) bread. Sorry to hear that man. :p

Oh, on a side note, that whole fake Elviel (sp) post was hilarious.

Sounds like bull**** to me. The guy that wrote the article isn't even american. Im with Pbds on this one. With the latest technologies, you actually need less man power.

Poor Frenchy. Make sure to bring a bottle of wine and a loaf of French (freedom) bread. Sorry to hear that man. :p

Oh, on a side note, that whole fake Elviel (sp) post was hilarious.


i m 27 , nad the guys a few years older were all drafted and sent to lebanon bosnia germany and africa.

my generation you were drafted if you didnt went to college , but you could volunteer , so after finishing my MBA i voluntereed and joined the forces .

spend 2 years in it , good moments , good friends , boot camp was great but i went trough bad times too .

still , i think sending the youth of a nation to war is a bad idea , but teachin them how to defend their countries is good , IMO.

and thx for the elvieil joke , i m very proud of it .

I can't believe anyone would do this ****. Bunch of chicken **** *****s. Good thing everyone isn't as yellow as all of you or we wouldn't be a free country. Anyone who trys to avoid a military draft should be tortured to death in a slow and painful way. Whats this country coming to? Mine as well just give up, put a towel on our heads, and start speaking afgan.

Semper Fi

**** running to canada. If I want to hide, I'll just go on national TV as a cruiserweight fighter.

Oh please. More like a blown up Lt.Heavy who looked like he ate too many doughnuts. You fat internet oddity.

hahahaha, still hating the best I see. By all means, continue. Castillo sucks, hahahahaha. Mayweather beat his ass twice. Remember that, fool. hahahahaha.

If I got drafted I would man up, and go kill some ****. NOTHING could make me go to Canada. Bunch o'******* up there anyway.

I can't believe anyone would do this ****. Bunch of chicken **** *****s. Good thing everyone isn't as yellow as all of you or we wouldn't be a free country. Anyone who trys to avoid a military draft should be tortured to death in a slow and painful way. Whats this country coming to? Mine as well just give up, put a towel on our heads, and start speaking afgan.

Semper Fi

LOL. What other type of post would you expect from a guy who puts his arm measurements in his profile and lists his hobbies as "hunting, boxing, and fishing?"

Yeah, try telling me he didn't vote for "Dubya."

....Actually, two Presidents are famous for saying "read my lips". But seriously, there will not be a draft in this country unless there is a catastrophic world war or somethihng. I don't think that will ever happen so I don't see a draft happening.


Don't kid yourself. There WILL be a WWIII. It's just a matter of when.

That being said I doubt we will have a draft to send soldiers to Iraq.

As for avoiding the draft, I think that's kind of ****ed up. If called apon I would serve. That's the price of living in the greatest country on earth. Of course having just turned 38 I'm not to concerned about it.

exactly :D if that number was 19 you might be a bit more concerned about it and mabye have a different opinion

exactly :D if that number was 19 you might be a bit more concerned about it and mabye have a different opinion

No I wouldn't. I've always felt that way. Freedom isn't free.

No I wouldn't. I've always felt that way. Freedom isn't free.

But there's a difference between fighting for the freedom of your country and of the free world, as in WW2, and in meddling in a civil war because you don't like the politics of the winning side, as in Vietnam. If a draft was held soon it would probably over just as pointless a cause.

No I wouldn't. I've always felt that way. Freedom isn't free.

you should write commercials for public radio...

Sounds like bull**** to me. The guy that wrote the article isn't even american. Im with Pbds on this one. With the latest technologies, you actually need less man power.

Those crazy liberals in Arizona are posting hogwash then, apparently:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0330draft30-ON.html

Draft may be needed in a year, military analysts warn

Bob Dart
Cox News Service
Mar. 30, 2005 03:24 PM

WASHINGTON - If American forces aren't pulling out of Iraq in a year, a draft will be needed to meet manpower requirements, military analysts warned Wednesday.

With recruitment lagging and no end in sight for U.S. forces in Iraq, the "breaking point" for the nation's all-volunteer military will be mid-2006, agreed Lawrence Korb, a draft opponent and assistant defense secretary in the Reagan administration, and Phillip Carter, a conscription advocate and former Army captain.

"America's all-volunteer military simply cannot deploy and sustain enough troops to succeed in places like Iraq while still deterring threats elsewhere in the world," Carter concluded in the March issue of "Washington Monthly." advertisement

Korb is a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, and a senior adviser to the Center for Defense Information. Carter is attorney who writes on military affairs for Slate.com and other media. They debated at a symposium on the draft Wednesday.

While conceding that the Army, Marines, National Guard and Army Reserve -- the branches serving most in Iraq -- face recruitment difficulties, military officials have denied any plans to revive the draft, which was replaced by an all-volunteer force in 1973.

"The 'D-word' is the farthest thing from my thoughts," Army Secretary Francis Harvey said at a Pentagon press briefing last week. He said the all-volunteer force has proven its value and applauded the performance of soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"When you get over there, there's no difference between the active, the Reserves and the National Guard. The quality is high across the board. ... It's seamless," he said.

During his re-election campaign, President Bush declared flatly that he would not reinstate the draft. And there is little support for conscription on Capitol Hill.

"Today, no leading politician in either party will come anywhere near the idea -- the draft having replaced Social Security as the third rail of American politics," wrote Carter.

However, the analysts said that the all-volunteer army is on the verge of "breaking" under current circumstances. The 3rd Infantry Division based in Fort Stewart, Ga., and the 4th Infantry Division based in Fort Hood, Texas, are among the units that are being sent back for a second tour in Iraq.

The National Guard and Reserves historically depend on men and women leaving active duty to fill their ranks, Carter pointed out. But they're not going to join if it means they will be sent right back to Iraq in an activated unit, he said.

Military men, women and machines are all suffering from repeated deployments.

"What keeps me awake at night is what will this all-volunteer force look like in 2007," Richard Cody, the Army Vice Chief of Staff, told the Senate Armed Services Committee on March 16.

Korb, assistant secretary defense for manpower from 1981 through 1985, said the current rotation is unfair to the "patriotic" men and women who volunteered for military service and are stuck on a cycle in and out of Iraq. Since only a tiny segment of the populace is sacrificing, there is no political pressure to change the system, he said.

"If you had a draft right now, I think you'd be out of Iraq," Korb said.

The American society "hasn't gotten the message that we're at war," agreed Carter.

"Those at peril are completely divorced from those in power," said Mark Shields, a syndicated columnist and TV commentator who moderated the symposium. "It's 'Patriotism Lite' -- you put a sticker on your SUV."

"America has a choice," wrote Carter. "It can be the world's superpower or it can maintain the current all-voluntary military. But it probably can't do both."

But there's a difference between fighting for the freedom of your country and of the free world, as in WW2, and in meddling in a civil war because you don't like the politics of the winning side, as in Vietnam. If a draft was held soon it would probably over just as pointless a cause.

Actually we entered Vietnam at the behest of France. Vietnam was a French holding at the time and the Vietnamese kicked the french military's ass (big surprise there). Ho Chi Min actually quated the US declaration of independence in a plea to allow Vietnam complete soveirnty over there own affairs. Unfortunately France had no intention of relinqueshing it's hold on Vietnam. This caused Ho Chi Min to change his tactics and politics. The US reason for being in Vietnam was to stop a "dominio afect" from occurring in East Asia in which one country after another came under Communist rule. Viewed with historical perspective it makes sense. China had shocked the US by turning communist after WWII and the USSR was eager to increase it's sphere of influence.

It wasn't really until after mi lei, and all the pictures and news footage of what was going on, that the US public turned against the war.

As for the Iraq war, I agree that it was entered into for dubious and likely personal reasons. However, Sadam was an ******* and if in 30 years we see that democracy has taken hold in the middle east then the men who lost their lives will not have been in vain.

Actually we entered Vietnam at the behest of France. Vietnam was a French holding at the time and the Vietnamese kicked the french military's ass (big surprise there). Ho Chi Min actually quated the US declaration of independence in a plea to allow Vietnam complete soveirnty over there own affairs. Unfortunately France had no intention of relinqueshing it's hold on Vietnam. This caused Ho Chi Min to change his tactics and politics. The US reason for being in Vietnam was to stop a "dominio afect" from occurring in East Asia in which one country after another came under Communist rule. Viewed with historical perspective it makes sense. China had shocked the US by turning communist after WWII and the USSR was eager to increase it's sphere of influence.

I see your point, but the thing is that the domino effect theory was used too many times in the Cold War to justify doing some pretty terrible things. Just look at the way Reagan meddled in Central American affairs in the 80s and ended up causing more deaths than would have happened if he had stayed out of it.

The thing of it is, the Communists won, and in the end the domino effect did not happen. Since that time the government there has been reforming to become a bit more reasonable. The reason is simple, of course: communism just doesn't work. In order to be able to provide a decent standard of living (and avoid another uprising) they've had to open themselves up to the global marketplace. And tourist dollars don't hurt either.

Funny thing is that the situation in Korea might have been a lot better now had the world just left them to sort out their own conflict. The communists might have won, but would probably then have had to adopt similar reforms. The way it is now, there is still animosity that radicalizes the North to the point where they people suffer to support a failing ideal. If the conflict had been allowed to run its course, then there would have been nobody to radicalize against.

Become a canadian , Eazier way to avoid drafting :cool: lol
( who else is canadian here ? )

I forgot the obvious. Just tell them you're gay. And do it before you're getting shot at...

Wounded Gay Soldier Discharged From Army 1 hour, 34 minutes ago

CINCINNATI - An Army sergeant from Ohio who was wounded in Iraq and wanted to remain in the military as an openly gay soldier was officially discharged Tuesday, according to an advocacy group.



Sgt. Robert Stout, 23, was awarded the Purple Heart after a grenade sent shrapnel into his arm, face and legs while he was using a machine gun on a Humvee in May 2004.

Stout, of Utica in central Ohio, told The Associated Press in April that he wanted to remain in the military and be openly gay, but that would conflict with the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

Aaron Belkin, director of the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military at the University of California-Santa Barbara, said Sgt. Robert Stout told him he was due back in the United States on Tuesday, the day of his discharge.

"I know a ton of gay men that would be more than willing to stay in the Army if they could just be open," Stout said in April.

Stout said he was openly gay among most of his 26-member platoon, part of the 9th Engineer Battalion based in Germany.

Army officials at the Pentagon could not immediately confirm the discharge. The Army declined to comment earlier on the case other than to say that soldiers discharged under "don't ask, don't tell" typically receive honorable discharges.

Avoid being drafted? Why would I want to do that- I have always wanted to play professional sports! Wait... I don't understand the thread.

I forgot the obvious. Just tell them you're gay. And do it before you're getting shot at...

Wounded Gay Soldier Discharged From Army 1 hour, 34 minutes ago

CINCINNATI - An Army sergeant from Ohio who was wounded in Iraq and wanted to remain in the military as an openly gay soldier was officially discharged Tuesday, according to an advocacy group.



Sgt. Robert Stout, 23, was awarded the Purple Heart after a grenade sent shrapnel into his arm, face and legs while he was using a machine gun on a Humvee in May 2004.

Stout, of Utica in central Ohio, told The Associated Press in April that he wanted to remain in the military and be openly gay, but that would conflict with the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

Aaron Belkin, director of the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military at the University of California-Santa Barbara, said Sgt. Robert Stout told him he was due back in the United States on Tuesday, the day of his discharge.

"I know a ton of gay men that would be more than willing to stay in the Army if they could just be open," Stout said in April.

Stout said he was openly gay among most of his 26-member platoon, part of the 9th Engineer Battalion based in Germany.

Army officials at the Pentagon could not immediately confirm the discharge. The Army declined to comment earlier on the case other than to say that soldiers discharged under "don't ask, don't tell" typically receive honorable discharges.


...Does "openly gay" mean that he serviced his "Platooon members"? If he did then good for him!!!

No I wouldn't. I've always felt that way. Freedom isn't free.

I know this is old as hell, and you probably won't see this, but could you tell me, what freedom are we fighting for in Iraq? You're right, freedom isn't free, and if the security of THIS nation were in danger, then yeah, I'd join. If it were for Iraq, I would never go, because I don't see why we are there.

So, that's it: What freedom are we fighting for?

EDIT: I'd never tell ANYONE I was gay, because I can't stand those uppity ******s.

How To Avoid The Draft Or National Service

By Rumor Mill News.com
No dodging. Just refuse to volunteer. Here's how --

I hope that you will not be offended if I tell you how the "draft" works. I realize that most people THINK they know how it works, but in most cases they are in error. And you can avoid the worry when 'College and Canada will not be options [because] in December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in.' Being willing (and eager) to fight for one's country when it is truly in danger is one thing. Having the courage to refuse to fight in immoral and/or unconstitutional "wars" is quite another matter, I believe. No need to "dodge" the ball if they're not allowed to hit you with it, if you merely 'take your stand' and refuse to VOLUNTEER!

1. Mr. A receives a "draft notice" and is told to report on a certain date to a certain place where he receives his physical and mental tests...then he is classified with a number indicating whether he is A1(first called).

Continued here: ...all the way down to 4F(unfit for duty).

2. Mr. A is told that he is to report for "induction" into the military and to appear at a certain military base for that purpose on a date specified.

3. By "LAW" he must appear there...or a warrant for his arrest will be issued.

4. Assuming he reports as directed he will have another brief physical and tests and then is told to "line up on the yellow line (painted on the floor)

5. A Recruiting Officer will then tell all those "joining the army (or whatever) to take one step forward... (Oh, oh, THOSE WHO DID THIS JUST "VOLUNTEERED!")This is done so that no one can "legally" claim they were "forced into involuntary servitude!"

"RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SWEAR ALLEGIANCE." (almost everyone does!...thinking it must be REQUIRED!): "I, (name) do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America and will defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic, and will obey the orders of the President and the officers appointed over me, so help me God."

6. Those who "voluntarily" stepped forward CANNOT NOW CLAIM THEY WERE "DRAFTED"...they stepped forward voluntarily and took the Oath voluntarily!

7. Assume Mr. B was smarter than Mr. A and HE DID NOT STEP FORWARD ANDTHEREFORE DID NOT TAKE THE OATH OF ALLEGIANCE. (the recruiter will probably say something like this: "what's the matter with you, don't you know what' step forward' means?" Mr. B responds, "sure I do, but I AM NOT VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY...If you want me you must 'take me' against my will by force!" 8. All of those who "volunteered" will now be excused from the room...and the Mr. B will be cajoled with persuasive arguments...at first...then, when nothing works to change his mind he will be called names and insulted, possibly even assaulted by one or more military people present there as witnesses.

9. IF Mr. B does not weaken, stands his ground, eventually the tormentors will give up and have him arrested on some charge. However, there is NO lawful way that they can MAKE him go into the military...because of the Constitutional prohibition against "involuntary servitude"...which is why NO ONE IS TRULY EVER "DRAFTED" AND MUST BE "SEDUCED " INTO VOLUNTEERING!

D. R. Graham Ret. Science Instructor and Ret. Military Officer - Australia

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One thing to say at this point is what the cops are coached to say on the witness stand: "Am I ordered?"

If the recruiter says "No" - then obviously you're OK. If the recruiter says "Yes" - then you say "By what authority do you, a military officer, order me, a civilian?" If the recruiter says anything else, repeat the question until you get Yes or No.

If the recruiter says "I order you by the authority of the United States Government" then respond: "Which clause of the Constitution gives you, a military officer, to order me, a civilian?" Another thing to say is: "Am I free to go?" If the recruiter says "Yes" - then obviously leave. If the recruiter says "No" then say: "Am I under arrest?" "Am I your prisoner?" "Am I kidnapped?" "If I'm not free, then what am I?" and again, keep repeating the question. Another thing to say is: "I want an attorney."

Another thing to say is, of course, *nothing* at all. I think I would go with "Am I free to go?" because if you get to "Yes" then you can leave and he would look bad ordering an arrest.

If you ask the question three times and don't get a yes or no, then say, "Well I must be free to go, because I asked you three times and you won't tell me I'm not."

Then I would slowly turn around and leave, and if he keeps trying to interact I would just keep repeating the question. === Here's an excerpt from a book:

The Army induction officer instructed the draftees to "take one step forward" as their names were called, and said that step would signify their induction into the Army. When reluctant Willie's name was called, he answered present, but did not step forward. After the ceremony, he went home instead of to camp. When the MP's came for him, he went to court for a writ of habeas corpus to retain his freedom. "The officer himself," Willie argued, "said the step forward is what would make me a soldier. As I didn't take the step, I'm still a civilian and the Army has no claim on me." Counsel for the Army replied, "The Army isn't being run by childish games. Willie and a hundred others appeared to be inducted, and he was inducted before the whole group as any fool there could plainly see."

Willie retained his civilian status. The court ruled that the draft law required some definite ceremony to transform a civilian into a soldier. As the Army decided to have one step forward constitute the ceremony, and Willie didn't take the step, he wasn't a soldier. U.S. Court of Appeals, 1954

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Thats awesome right there.

I mentioned this in another thread, but it bears repeating here -- if there is a draft before I'm 40, or whatever the max age is for the Army at that time (I'm now 35), I'll enlist before any of you young punks get called. I've already talked to a recruiter about my options, set it up with our financial advisor, & made my funeral arrangements. May the kid whose spot I take live to be a thousand years old.

I mentioned this in another thread, but it bears repeating here -- if there is a draft before I'm 40, or whatever the max age is for the Army at that time (I'm now 35), I'll enlist before any of you young punks get called. I've already talked to a recruiter about my options, set it up with our financial advisor, & made my funeral arrangements. May the kid whose spot I take live to be a thousand years old.



.....This whole thread is a joke because there will be no draft. Only conspiracy theorists and nutjobs truly believe we will have one in the coming years.

Meh, I'm a pacifist under most circumstances, so it's all good. However, under threat of invasion or catastrophe I'd enlist in a heart beat. I'd never be drafted to fight an unjust war for unjust reasons.

If that's the case I'd act so gay.
I'd do it with a lisp and everything.
"Oh yeth, I can't wait to thand by all thoth strong men. My man puthy achesth for thum attention."

The current age limit on Military acceptance is 26. If you have served before they can call you up anytime.

The current age limit on Military acceptance is 26. If you have served before they can call you up anytime.

That is not true. That's only for the draft.

If there is to be no draft, explain why the draft boards have been restaffed in the past few years. Explain this:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.89:

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Universal National Service Act of 2003 (Introduced in Senate)

S 89 IS

108th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 89

To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

January 7, 2003

Mr. HOLLINGS introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services

A BILL

To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.

(a) SHORT TITLE- This Act may be cited as the `Universal National Service Act of 2003'.

(b) TABLE OF CONTENTS- The table of contents for this Act is as follows:

Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents.

Sec. 2. National service obligation.

Sec. 3. Two-year period of national service.

Sec. 4. Implementation by the President.

Sec. 5. Induction.

Sec. 6. Deferments and postponements.

Sec. 7. Induction exemptions.

Sec. 8. Conscientious objection.

Sec. 9. Discharge following national service.

Sec. 10. Registration of females under the Military Selective Service Act.

Sec. 11. Relation of Act to registration and induction authority of Military Selective Service Act.

Sec. 12. Definitions.

SEC. 2. NATIONAL SERVICE OBLIGATION.

(a) OBLIGATION FOR YOUNG PERSONS- It is the obligation of every citizen of the United States, and every other person residing in the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a period of national service as prescribed in this Act unless exempted under the provisions of this Act.

(b) FORM OF NATIONAL SERVICE- National service under this Act shall be performed either--

(1) as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services; or

(2) in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and homeland security.

(c) INDUCTION REQUIREMENTS- The President shall provide for the induction of persons covered by subsection (a) to perform national service under this Act.

(d) SELECTION FOR MILITARY SERVICE- Based upon the needs of the uniformed services, the President shall--

(1) determine the number of persons covered by subsection (a) whose service is to be performed as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services; and

(2) select the individuals among those persons who are to be inducted for military service under this Act.

(e) CIVILIAN SERVICE- Persons covered by subsection (a) who are not selected for military service under subsection (d) shall perform their national service obligation under this Act in a civilian capacity pursuant to subsection (b)(2).

SEC. 3. TWO-YEAR PERIOD OF NATIONAL SERVICE.

(a) GENERAL RULE- Except as otherwise provided in this section, the period of national service performed by a person under this Act shall be two years.

(b) GROUNDS FOR EXTENSION- At the discretion of the President, the period of military service for a member of the uniformed services under this Act may be extended--

(1) with the consent of the member, for the purpose of furnishing hospitalization, medical, or surgical care for injury or illness incurred in line of duty; or

(2) for the purpose of requiring the member to compensate for any time lost to training for any cause.

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It was voted down, but it was still introduced to the Senate. There are members of Congress who want to start the Selective Service system. Let's hope that the members who DON'T want it, will always outnumber the ones who do.

....Just the fact that your on conspiracy planet kind of says it all. READ MY LIPS. We will not have a draft in this country again!!!!

Go to the Library of Congress at http://thomas.loc.gov/ and see the search engine at the center of the page. Select "Bill Number" and search for HR4752.

Universal National Service Act of 2006 (Introduced in House)

HR 4752 IH


109th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. R. 4752
To provide for the common defense by requiring all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 14, 2006
Mr. RANGEL introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Armed Services


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A BILL
To provide for the common defense by requiring all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.

(a) Short Title- This Act may be cited as the `Universal National Service Act of 2006'.

(b) Table of Contents- The table of contents for this Act is as follows:

Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents.

Sec. 2. National service obligation.

Sec. 3. Two-year period of national service.

Sec. 4. Implementation by the President.

Sec. 5. Induction.

Sec. 6. Deferments and postponements.

Sec. 7. Induction exemptions.

Sec. 8. Conscientious objection.

Sec. 9. Discharge following national service.

Sec. 10. Registration of females under the Military Selective Service Act.

Sec. 11. Relation of Act to registration and induction authority of military selective service Act.

Sec. 12. Definitions.

SEC. 2. NATIONAL SERVICE OBLIGATION.

(a) Obligation for Service- It is the obligation of every citizen of the United States, and every other person residing in the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of national service as prescribed in this Act unless exempted under the provisions of this Act.

(b) Form of National Service- National service under this Act shall be performed either--

(1) as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services; or

(2) in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and homeland security.

(c) Induction Requirements- The President shall provide for the induction of persons covered by subsection (a) to perform national service under this Act.

(d) Selection for Military Service- Based upon the needs of the uniformed services, the President shall--

(1) determine the number of persons covered by subsection (a) whose service is to be performed as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services; and

(2) select the individuals among those persons who are to be inducted for military service under this Act.

(e) Civilian Service- Persons covered by subsection (a) who are not selected for military service under subsection (d) shall perform their national service obligation under this Act in a civilian capacity pursuant to subsection (b)(2).

SEC. 3. TWO-YEAR PERIOD OF NATIONAL SERVICE.

(a) General Rule- Except as otherwise provided in this section, the period of national service performed by a person under this Act shall be two years.

(b) Grounds for Extension- At the discretion of the President, the period of military service for a member of the uniformed services under this Act may be extended--

(1) with the consent of the member, for the purpose of furnishing hospitalization, medical, or surgical care for injury or illness incurred in line of duty; or

(2) for the purpose of requiring the member to compensate for any time lost to training for any cause.

(c) Early Termination- The period of national service for a person under this Act shall be terminated before the end of such period under the following circumstances:

(1) The voluntary enlistment and active service of the person in an active or reserve component of the uniformed services for a period of at least two years, in which case the period of basic military training and education actually served by the person shall be counted toward the term of enlistment.

(2) The admission and service of the person as a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, the Coast Guard Academy, or the United States Merchant Marine Academy.

(3) The enrollment and service of the person in an officer candidate program, if the person has signed an agreement to accept a Reserve commission in the appropriate service with an obligation to serve on active duty if such a commission is offered upon completion of the program.

(4) Such other grounds as the President may establish.

SEC. 4. IMPLEMENTATION BY THE PRESIDENT.

(a) In General- The President shall prescribe such regulations as are necessary to carry out this Act.

(b) Matter to Be Covered by Regulations- Such regulations shall include specification of the following:

(1) The types of civilian service that may be performed for a person's national service obligation under this Act.

(2) Standards for satisfactory performance of civilian service and of penalties for failure to perform civilian service satisfactorily.

(3) The manner in which persons shall be selected for induction under this Act, including the manner in which those selected will be notified of such selection.

(4) All other administrative matters in connection with the induction of persons under this Act and the registration, examination, and classification of such persons.

(5) A means to determine questions or claims with respect to inclusion for, or exemption or deferment from induction under this Act, including questions of conscientious objection.

(6) Standards for compensation and benefits for persons performing their national service obligation under this Act through civilian service.

(7) Such other matters as the President determines necessary to carry out this Act.

(c) Use of Prior Act- To the extent determined appropriate by the President, the President may use for purposes of this Act the procedures provided in the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 451 et seq.), including procedures for registration, selection, and induction.

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SEC. 5. INDUCTION.

(a) In General- Every person subject to induction for national service under this Act, except those whose training is deferred or postponed in accordance with this Act, shall be called and inducted by the President for such service at the time and place specified by the President.

(b) Age Limits- A person may be inducted under this Act only if the person has attained the age of 18 and has not attained the age of 42.

(c) Voluntary Induction- A person subject to induction under this Act may volunteer for induction at a time other than the time at which the person is otherwise called for induction.

(d) Examination; Classification- Every person subject to induction under this Act shall, before induction, be physically and mentally examined and shall be classified as to fitness to perform national service. The President may apply different classification standards for fitness for military service and fitness for civilian service.

SEC. 6. DEFERMENTS AND POSTPONEMENTS.

(a) High School Students- A person who is pursuing a standard course of study, on a full-time basis, in a secondary school or similar institution of learning shall be entitled to have induction under this Act postponed until the person--

(1) obtains a high school diploma;

(2) ceases to pursue satisfactorily such course of study; or

(3) attains the age of 20.

(b) Hardship and Disability- Deferments from national service under this Act may be made for--

(1) extreme hardship; or

(2) physical or mental disability.

(c) Training Capacity- The President may postpone or suspend the induction of persons for military service under this Act as necessary to limit the number of persons receiving basic military training and education to the maximum number that can be adequately trained.

(d) Termination- No deferment or postponement of induction under this Act shall continue after the cause of such deferment or postponement ceases.

SEC. 7. INDUCTION EXEMPTIONS.

(a) Qualifications- No person may be inducted for military service under this Act unless the person is acceptable to the Secretary concerned for training and meets the same health and physical qualifications applicable under section 505 of title 10, United States Code, to persons seeking original enlistment in a regular component of the Armed Forces.

(b) Other Military Service- No person shall be liable for induction under this Act who--

(1) is serving, or has served honorably for at least six months, in any component of the uniformed services on active duty; or

(2) is or becomes a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, the Coast Guard Academy, the United States Merchant Marine Academy, a midshipman of a Navy accredited State maritime academy, a member of the Senior Reserve Officers' Training Corps, or the naval aviation college program, so long as that person satisfactorily continues in and completes at least two years training therein.

SEC. 8. CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION.

(a) Claims as Conscientious Objector- Nothing in this Act shall be construed to require a person to be subject to combatant training and service in the uniformed services, if that person, by reason of sincerely held moral, ethical, or religious beliefs, is conscientiously opposed to participation in war in any form.

(b) Alternative Noncombatant or Civilian Service- A person who claims exemption from combatant training and service under subsection (a) and whose claim is sustained by the local board shall--

(1) be assigned to noncombatant service (as defined by the President), if the person is inducted into the uniformed services; or

(2) be ordered by the local board, if found to be conscientiously opposed to participation in such noncombatant service, to perform national civilian service for the period specified in section 3(a) and subject to such regulations as the President may prescribe.

SEC. 9. DISCHARGE FOLLOWING NATIONAL SERVICE.

(a) Discharge- Upon completion or termination of the obligation to perform national service under this Act, a person shall be discharged from the uniformed services or from civilian service, as the case may be, and shall not be subject to any further service under this Act.

(b) Coordination With Other Authorities- Nothing in this section shall limit or prohibit the call to active service in the uniformed services of any person who is a member of a regular or reserve component of the uniformed services.

SEC. 10. REGISTRATION OF FEMALES UNDER THE MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT.

(a) Registration Required- Section 3(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. 453(a)) is amended--

(1) by striking `male' both places it appears;

(2) by inserting `or herself' after `himself'; and

(3) by striking `he' and inserting `the person'.

(b) Conforming Amendment- Section 16(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 466(a)) is amended by striking `men' and inserting `persons'.

SEC. 11. RELATION OF ACT TO REGISTRATION AND INDUCTION AUTHORITY OF MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT.

(a) Registration- Section 4 of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 454) is amended by inserting after subsection (g) the following new subsection:

`(h) This section does not apply with respect to the induction of persons into the Armed Forces pursuant to the Universal National Service Act of 2006.'.

(b) Induction- Section 17(c) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 467(c)) is amended by striking `now or hereafter' and all that follows through the period at the end and inserting `inducted pursuant to the Universal National Service Act of 2006.'.

SEC. 12. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) The term `military service' means service performed as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services.

(2) The term `Secretary concerned' means the Secretary of Defense with respect to the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps, the Secretary of Homeland Security with respect to the Coast Guard, the Secretary of Commerce, with respect to matters concerning the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the Secretary of Health and Human Services, with respect to matters concerning the Public Health Service.

(3) The term `United States', when used in a geographical sense, means the several States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam.

(4) The term `uniformed services' means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, commissioned corps of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and commissioned corps of the Public Health Service.

if im not gonna join the military im just not, aint no1 gonna tell me to fight in sum war i dont agree in, if i agreed with it though i wouldnt have to be drafted id enlist tommorow..

Hmm its been over a year since the original article was written. I see absolutely no steps being taken to create a draft proposal. Safe to say they missed the boat. All you pacifist and non-combatants can relax.