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lyoto

Chuck's defence is not good

Lyoto would of made Liddell look like a fool.

lyoto

Chuck's defence is not good

Lyoto would of made Liddell look like a fool.

Agreed. It pains me because Chuck is one of my all-time favorites. I don't think he had the patience for Lyoto. Chuck would end up being the stalker rather than have Lyoto chase him. Though if ANYONE has a puncher's chance it's Chuck Liddell in his prime.

both counterstrikers, lyoto would catch him in the end though

Both are great counterstrikers. Lyoto's much faster but i do think that Chuck has the better power. Problem with Chuck is that, everytime he fought a real good striker he was in trouble, which is what Lyoto is. So I think Lyoto would catch em, might noy KO him but he'd win for sure.

i dont think chuck would've been varied enough in his striking to beat Lyoto

I've always said that Chuck was never that great of a fighter, he just had a powerful punch. Once people stopped being afraid of the power he stopped winning. Lyoto wouldn't be afraid so Machida by decision. Especially if Cecil Peoples is judging....

I've always said that Chuck was never that great of a fighter, he just had a powerful punch. Once people stopped being afraid of the power he stopped winning. Lyoto wouldn't be afraid so Machida by decision. Especially if Cecil Peoples is judging....

You think that's what happened? Not saying you're wrong but maybe Chuck was just past it.

You think that's what happened? Not saying you're wrong but maybe Chuck was just past it.

Probably a combination of things. No more fear, lack of training, and a newly developed glass jaw....

The only time Chucky Liddell worked effectively as a counter striker was when he was being spoon fed grapplers who had no idea how to strike and who's basic offense consisted of trying to rush Liddell,hoping to catch him with one punch.Anytime an opponent didn't fall into Liddell's predictable gameplan,Liddell himself would chase them and ended up losing or even getting knocked out.

Probably a combination of things. No more fear, lack of training, and a newly developed glass jaw....

Yeah that sounds about right actually. Especially the glass jaw. Chuck looks like Arlovski these days lol.

Lyoto is just too good for Chuck Liddell, better striker, smarter fighter, better defense. Chuck had the power advantage and a great chin back in the days but his defense was always suspect, so i'd pick Machida by easy decision.

The only time Chucky Liddell worked effectively as a counter striker was when he was being spoon fed grapplers who had no idea how to strike and who's basic offense consisted of trying to rush Liddell,hoping to catch him with one punch.Anytime an opponent didn't fall into Liddell's predictable gameplan,Liddell himself would chase them and ended up losing or even getting knocked out.


You are correct sir...

Prime Chuck Liddell was overrated, IMO.

He fought a lot of guys who were tailor made for him (Sobral), guys that just plain sucked (Vernon White) and guys that he fought just because (Horn)

Lyoto wins.

Prime Chuck Liddell was overrated, IMO.

He fought a lot of guys who were tailor made for him (Sobral), guys that just plain sucked (Vernon White) and guys that he fought just because (Horn)

Lyoto wins.

Overeem and Mezger were both top notch fighters, Couture has decent boxing too.

Probably a combination of things. No more fear, lack of training, and a newly developed glass jaw....

Liddell Kos him.
Machida lost his last fight

Overeem and Mezger were both top notch fighters, Couture has decent boxing too.

Mezger was well past his prime when he fought Liddell.
Overeem wasn't top notch at the time he lost to Liddell and he wasn't a very consistent LHW.

Couture didn't display boxing until he fought Tim, and he only outstruck Liddell because Liddell pitied and underestimated Couture in their first fight.

chuck liddell was never really that good...he would get ass raped by machida at any point in his career

I've always said that Chuck was never that great of a fighter, he just had a powerful punch. Once people stopped being afraid of the power he stopped winning. Lyoto wouldn't be afraid so Machida by decision. Especially if Cecil Peoples is judging....

been saying the same thing forever dana overrates him so every one just follows what dana says

and people :rofl:

Overeem and Mezger were both top notch fighters, Couture has decent boxing too.

couture as much as i love him doesnt really have good boxing..he improved but its still not very good....it looked good because tim sylvia is just horrendous in all parts of the fight game....he was outboxed by big nog and he has sucky ass boxing

couture as much as i love him doesnt really have good boxing..he improved but its still not very good....it looked good because tim sylvia is just horrendous in all parts of the fight game....he was outboxed by big nog and he has sucky ass boxing

That's true but he lands a very high percentage of strikes.

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even liddel in his prime has trouble with Machida. Machida poses too many weapons for liddel

Lyoto has the style, he would beat Chuck, I doubt he wouldnt stop him tho.

Prime Wanderlei murders prime Chuck + Machida.

I've always said that Chuck was never that great of a fighter, he just had a powerful punch. Once people stopped being afraid of the power he stopped winning. Lyoto wouldn't be afraid so Machida by decision. Especially if Cecil Peoples is judging....

its not so much people stopped being afraid of him, he fought grapplers for a long time but when he fought a decent striker (rampage) he got ktfo'd

Prime Wanderlei murders prime Chuck + Machida.

Word Son.....

Prime Wanderlei murders prime Chuck + Machida.

I don't know if prime Wanderlei's style would translate in the UFC but i agree Prime Wanderlei is the G.O.A.T at 205.

Prime Wanderlei murders prime Chuck + Machida.
Under PRIDE rules, prime Wandy would destroy prime Chuck and Lyoto. Uncer UFC rules it's a toss-up, IMO.

Prime Chuck v Machida = boring standup battle. Chuck will be countered all night. Machida via UD.

Prime Wanderlei murders prime Chuck + Machida.

As much as I'd love that, Wandy sucked/sucks in the cage. His style just hasn't carried over to UFC for some reason and he hasn't changed his game up.

As much as I'd love that, Wandy sucked/sucks in the cage. His style just hasn't carried over to UFC for some reason and he hasn't changed his game up.

I don't think it has as much to do with the cage as it has to do with being in too many wars and being hit too many times in the later stages of his career

I don't think it has as much to do with the cage as it has to do with being in too many wars and being hit too many times in the later stages of his career

Yeah true but he also lost to Belfort and they were around the same age and he dropped a decision to Tito in the cage too, and Tito's a very overrated fighter. However all the recent losses I think are due to all the wars like you said.. Though some guys just don't adjust well to UFC. Remember when he KD Chuck in their fight and he didn't try to finish? He never said it (he's not one for excuses) but I think the first thing that came to his mind was to kick Chuck in the face (That's just me though, based on his body language) but in UFC it's a no-no and I think that's where that look of hesitation came from on Wand's face. I mean why else would you not attack Chuck on the ground? Can't be because of Liddell's amazing BJJ lol

Lyoto's style is a bad match-up for Chuck.
Lyoto via KO.

As much as I'd love that, Wandy sucked/sucks in the cage. His style just hasn't carried over to UFC for some reason and he hasn't changed his game up.


Wanderlei Silva is washed up and everyone but his nuthuggers know this.He hasn't been the same since the Mark Hunt fight and this is so damn obvious.He was poor against Yoshida and didn't deserve the decision,he got completely dominated by Arona in their first fight and was fortunate enough to get the decision in the rematch,then he got knocked out by both Cro Flop and Dan Henderson.

Wanderlei Silva is washed up and everyone but his nuthuggers know this.He hasn't been the same since the Mark Hunt fight and this is so damn obvious.He was poor against Yoshida and didn't deserve the decision,he got completely dominated by Arona in their first fight and was fortunate enough to get the decision in the rematch,then he got knocked out by both Cro Flop and Dan Henderson.

Thanks for the history lesson that we all knew, chief.

That's why I said prime Wanderlei - That means Pre-Everything you're saying.

Can't believe people actually voted Lyoto by KO... Chuck in his prime had an INSANE chin, Lyoto would outpoint him and win a decision

Lyoto has proven he has KO power, with Machida's gun and run style, Chuck will be accumulating damage and losing energy. If its not a one punch KO, it can easily become a barrage of punches, a TKO, etc.

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When did Liddell ever look good in winning or losing against a formidable striker ?

Actually, did Liddell ever win a fight against a good to great striker?

A Lyoto-Chuck matchup might've actually turned boring, since both guys are counter-punchers.

You can't call Chuck great and then turn around and diss Fedor or Rampage.
Granted Rampage has losses and he's kind of dumb but he is 1 of the top 3 LHW's of all time.
Fedor is just a fighter you can't deny.

Chuck was very very good but if the UFC wanted too they could have prevented Chuck from ever having a UFC title. I'm not saying Chuck is 100% hype but they built the UFC around his k.o ability by putting him up against fighters he could k.o.

We all knew what they were doing when they brought Silva in for Franklin and Rampage in for Chuck....Changing pf the gaurd.

Rampage is not top 3 LHW of all time...

Machida is overrated. He would engage with Chuck and get rocked.

Machida (not sure if I want to say by KO since Liddell's chin used to be better). Liddell has always been way too wide open with that bizarre guard of his.

Rampage is not top 3 LHW of all time...


Idiot.Can you name three greater than him? In reality no fighter at 205 has the resume that Jackson has besides Shogun.He has faced and beat greater competition than Chuck Liddell and Wanderlei Silva,knocked out both of them too.

LMAO Rampage KOed Wanderlei on Wanderlei's decline. Wanderlei BRUTALLY destroyed Rampage previously, twice as a matter a fact. I remember an uncouncious, bloody, half-dead Rampage hanging off the ropes in Pride. He is a WRESTLER who employs hardly an wrestling. Something that could give a TREMENDOUS advantage in his fighting. He is a wannabe boxer.

Shogun
Wanderlei
Lyoto
Evans (is more skilled)
Dan Henderson may have lost to him but is more credible to be placed among the greats
Anderson Silva (fights in both divisions)
Mousasai would probably rip him a new one

Shogun
Wanderlei
Lyoto
Evans (is more skilled)
Dan Henderson may have lost to him but is more credible to be placed among the greats
Anderson Silva (fights in both divisions)
Mousasai would probably rip him a new one

You argued that Quinton Jackson was not a top 3 LHW in terms of how history will rank him,I refuted this and argued that very few in that weight class actually have a more impressive resume than him.You are producing this stupid list based on your own biased assumptions.


Igor Vovchanchyn
Kevin Randleman
Murilo Bustamante
Chuck Liddell 2x
Ricardo Arona
Matt Lindland
Dan Henderson
Keith Jardine


Does Lyoto Machida,Rashad Evans,Gegard Mousasi,Anderson Silva,Dan Henderson have this resume of wins at 205? I will answer that for you,no they do not and it's not even debatable.

Jackson knocked Wanderlei Silva out cold with one punch,just after Wanderlei Silva was coming off a sensational destruction over top ten LHW Keith Jardine.Wanderlei Silva's nuthuggers claimed that Jackson would be destroyed,they even did their little photoshops mocking Jackson and confidently picking a similar brutal knockout to occur once again.


Why should he utilize his wrestling when his boxing has carried him through to the greatest and most successful phase in his career? Because you miss seeing him slam people?

I bet Wanderlei Silva wished he had Rampage Jackson's boxing now that he's too shot to keep up the relentless pressure he once had,I bet Shogun Rua wished he had Rampage Jackson's boxing when he got outboxed by a fat,stubby judoka in Kazuhiro Nakamura.

You argued that Quinton Jackson was not a top 3 LHW in terms of how history will rank him,I refuted this and argued that very few in that weight class actually have a more impressive resume than him.You are producing this stupid list based on your own biased assumptions.


Igor Vovchanchyn
Kevin Randleman
Murilo Bustamante
Chuck Liddell 2x
Ricardo Arona
Matt Lindland
Dan Henderson
Keith Jardine


Does Lyoto Machida,Rashad Evans,Gegard Mousasi,Anderson Silva,Dan Henderson have this resume of wins at 205? I will answer that for you,no they do not and it's not even debatable.

Jackson knocked Wanderlei Silva out cold with one punch,just after Wanderlei Silva was coming off a sensational destruction over top ten LHW Keith Jardine.Wanderlei Silva's nuthuggers claimed that Jackson would be destroyed,they even did their little photoshops mocking Jackson and confidently picking a similar brutal knockout to occur once again.


Why should he utilize his wrestling when his boxing has carried him through to the greatest and most successful phase in his career? Because you miss seeing him slam people?

I bet Wanderlei Silva wished he had Rampage Jackson's boxing now that he's too shot to keep up the relentless pressure he once had,I bet Shogun Rua wished he had Rampage Jackson's boxing when he got outboxed by a fat,stubby judoka in Kazuhiro Nakamura.

On stupid assumptions? I basing it on skill, hence the inclusion of Anderson Silva. Keith Jardine = Same as Forrest a brawler (meaning he will win AND lose). Chuck Liddell (brawler with wrestling skills) wins and losses come with is style. Etc, etc.

But what has surprised me more is you going into detail about this. I thought you didn't like MMA, why would you waste your time on something that to you should be trivial and negligible? If you like MMA, why hide it?

LMAO Rampage KOed Wanderlei on Wanderlei's decline. Wanderlei BRUTALLY destroyed Rampage previously, twice as a matter a fact. I remember an uncouncious, bloody, half-dead Rampage hanging off the ropes in Pride. He is a WRESTLER who employs hardly an wrestling. Something that could give a TREMENDOUS advantage in his fighting. He is a wannabe boxer.

Shogun
Wanderlei
Lyoto
Evans (is more skilled)
Dan Henderson may have lost to him but is more credible to be placed among the greats
Anderson Silva (fights in both divisions)
Mousasai would probably rip him a new one

No to all the fighters in bold. Sorry bro but they haven't accomplished what Page has at 205.

No to all the fighters in bold. Sorry bro but they haven't accomplished what Page has at 205.

Hendo has....

Hendo has....

Maybe but you can't rank him above Page because of the loss in the unification bout.

I actually think Machida vs Liddell would be a boring ass fight. 2 Counter punchers circling around eachother for 25 min. Yawn, I'd rather watch Jake Sheilds lay on someone...

Chuck Liddell wouldn't sit back for that long,if you wait even two or three minutes without trying to engage him,he will come to you and history has shown this.Machida has far more discipline than Liddell has and he would keep to his gameplan.


Hendo has....

No he hasn't.Without even mentioning the fact that Jackson beat Henderson,Jackson has beaten far more accomplished LHW's than Henderson and it's not even debatable.