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random guy
03-30-2005, 01:05 AM
I think taylor got screwed over big time.
if that ref hadnt stoped the fight, with 2 sec left taylor would have won.
what do you think?.

Southpaw16
03-30-2005, 03:09 AM
Keep in mind the referee does not know how much or how little time is left in the round and is not supposed to base his decisions on that. If there was over a minute left in the round and Taylor was hit like that, it would be a bit less controversial.

Rockin'
03-30-2005, 03:27 AM
There were only 2 seconds left but it would take much less time than that for Chavez to land that huge final shot. With the condition that taylor was in, it might have killed him. What Taylor lost in that fight was career ending. I'd much rather him lose the fight by tko than lose his life because a referee was worried more about what the fans might say about his actions than the fighters well being...............Rockin'

random guy
03-30-2005, 04:00 AM
thats not true southpaw there was a little red light that went off for the last 10 seconeds of the round.

kapersky
03-30-2005, 09:30 AM
There were only 2 seconds left but it would take much less time than that for Chavez to land that huge final shot. With the condition that taylor was in, it might have killed him. What Taylor lost in that fight was career ending. I'd much rather him lose the fight by tko than lose his life because a referee was worried more about what the fans might say about his actions than the fighters well being...............Rockin'

i agree, but on the other hand he really deserv to win that, after getting betting so badly. and the fact that it was only 2sec is really hard to accept that stopped from ref :cool:

SonnyG8R
04-01-2005, 11:04 AM
Taylor got completely screwd. There is no question about it. That was just one of many examples of ****ty ref/judge decisions that have driven away fans from the greatest sport on earth.

shemmue
04-30-2005, 03:48 PM
i don't think taylor got screwed i have that fight and the legendary nights taylor vs. chavez and the referee never notices the red light that indicates its the last 10 seconds of the fight so he really did not notice how much time was left in the rnd. taylor got hit with a real hard shot he was aksed 2 times was he ok and he could not answer so i think the ref made the right decision remember he only has a spilt sec. to make the decision to stop the fight taylor's face was a mess and he was out on his feet . look at him know and you see the effects that the fight had on him chavez ruined him .

Rockin'
05-02-2005, 08:34 PM
Taylor got completely screwd. There is no question about it. That was just one of many examples of ****ty ref/judge decisions that have driven away fans from the greatest sport on earth.


And this quote is an example of people not understanding the real risks that a fighter takes stepping up. You say that you know what its about but you havent a clue. If you were in that situation you would change your mind and your previous post. Also, if that fight drove away fans than they were never fans to begin with. That was one of the greatest fights, period. Regardless of how it ended..........Rockin' :boxing:

adrsan84
05-03-2005, 02:15 AM
I agree it was close to the end of the fight and maybe Taylor could have taken the decision if it continued but damn, did you guys want chavez to kill taylor, not just ruin his career and maybe his life? He was in horrible condition and anymore punishment was not necessary, and as Steele said, the clock was of no importance to him he isn't the timekeeper.

Tha Greatest
05-05-2005, 10:06 AM
In 2 seconds Chavez wouldnt have been able to land everything by the time he grabs his gloves , etc, say go it will be like 5 seconds gone...

wmute
05-05-2005, 04:30 PM
screwed big time

ref is not the timekeeper and not the ringdoctor, but he has to determine if a fighter is able to continue, and in that case the clock was a determinant to decide if taylor was able to continue

could he continue?
yes
because there were only 2 seconds left, so unless chavez pulled out a gun he could have continued
2 seconds with the neutral corner rule were too much for anything to happen

anyway I think

lou duva is to blame for the situation in which taylor was ("we need this round"... and attracting mel's attention when the ref asked him if he was ok),

and for the decision... well chavez was don king gem. nuff said

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
05-05-2005, 04:46 PM
In reality there was more than 2 seconds left when the ref had his hands up waiving the fight off. That was what the put down as the official time, but steel was waiving his arms at 6 or 7 seconds.

Anyway

Taylor was asked twice if he was ok, the ref counted to 9 instead of 8. Taylor had no legs on him and was leaning on the ropes not looking ready, he wasnt even looking at the ref and was visibly hurt and busted up. Steele had no choice.

Say the ref had only asked taylor once, counted to 8 and done the wiping of the gloves. A legless and hurt taylor would have been standing or leaning there for at least 7 seconds.

Personally i agree with that Irish boxing analyst that said, Chavez put on a spectacular performance, and pulled out the win, but he wont get credit in the states because,

1) He is a Don King Fighter
2) He didnt know English
3) He was Mexican.

{BrownBomber}
05-05-2005, 06:17 PM
In reality there was more than 2 seconds left when the ref had his hands up waiving the fight off. That was what the put down as the official time, but steel was waiving his arms at 6 or 7 seconds.

Anyway

Taylor was asked twice if he was ok, the ref counted to 9 instead of 8. Taylor had no legs on him and was leaning on the ropes not looking ready, he wasnt even looking at the ref and was visibly hurt and busted up. Steele had no choice.

Say the ref had only asked taylor once, counted to 8 and done the wiping of the gloves. A legless and hurt taylor would have been standing or leaning there for at least 7 seconds.

Personally i agree with that Irish boxing analyst that said, Chavez put on a spectacular performance, and pulled out the win, but he wont get credit in the states because,

1) He is a Don King Fighter
2) He didnt know English
3) He was Mexican.
Can you imagine what Chaves would be in the U.S if he was an Anglo-American.
Micheal who!??

-GBGQ-
05-05-2005, 06:47 PM
If the fight would have gone to decision than Meldrick would've pulled out a split decision.

But it didn't.

There's a million and one ways to look at the ending but the truth of the matter is he got stopped.

BANE206
05-05-2005, 11:05 PM
sounds like a case of too much legendary nights. richard steele was looking into taylors EYES the whole time, not the red light behind them. its not the refs job to give tayor an edge to win the fight over chavez, its the refs job to make sure the rules are followed and to be aware of the fighters safety.

xrhythmxnxbluesx
05-06-2005, 01:14 AM
iono if someone said this or not... but it seem liked taylor nodd his head... when steele said if he was ok... juss watch the fight over and he slightly nodd his head... but chyea...

Shaolin Bushido
05-06-2005, 06:36 PM
I think taylor got screwed over big time.
if that ref hadnt stoped the fight, with 2 sec left taylor would have won.
what do you think?.

It was close as hell; he may have lost anyway but of course, the ref doesn't know or care who's winning.

At least that's the theory.

Ricomania77
05-06-2005, 07:24 PM
iono if someone said this or not... but it seem liked taylor nodd his head... when steele said if he was ok... juss watch the fight over and he slightly nodd his head... but chyea...
yeah you can see taylor kinda nodding his head
he was visibly hurt tho

BANE206
05-07-2005, 01:23 AM
taylor didnt nod his head, he was looking at his corner. its his own fault.

Birddog
05-07-2005, 11:37 PM
And if Steele had not stopped the fight, Taylor would have won on the Scorecards lets assume that's the case.

And Taylor would have what gone on to what? Get killed in his next fight, Gone on to be a great champ and retire happily. I don't think scenario 2 would have happened.

It was a brutal fight, and the damage done to MT was irreversable. it's a sad story that happens to many fighters.

chavezjr
05-10-2005, 09:59 PM
If Taylor had won the fight, he would probably have fought Camacho next, so he certainly wouldn't have gotten killed in the next fight.

However, Taylor was clearly out when the fight was stopped. Though there were only a few seconds left in the bout, the rule is that the fighter can be saved by the bell, not that he can be saved before the bell.

Of course I'm glad Chavez won since I'm a Chavez fan, but there's a reason for that. With all the work he did on Taylor in that fight, Chavez deserved the victory, despite all the great work that Taylor did as well.

gravity62
05-11-2005, 01:42 AM
Meldrick Taylor did nod his head. The ref didn't give him enough time to answer him the second time he asked if was he okay. Steele already had it in his head that he was going to stop the fight the first time he asked him. If you watch the fight without being biased you whould see that. I think Steele knew the final bell was about to sound, that's why he stopped it when he did.

chavezjr
05-11-2005, 05:04 PM
A fighter can be out and still nod his head. Most fighters would even respond "I'm okay" by instinct. Taylor, on the other hand, did not. He was interviewed after the fight and said he did not even remember the two times Steele asked him if he was okay. He said that Steele didn't give him any kind of direction. Taylor was not focused enough to remember that if you get knocked down, the first thing to do after getting back up is to look at the ref and put your hands up. I think Steele made the right call. But if you'd like, you can complain all you want about Carlos Padilla.

gravity62
05-12-2005, 04:33 AM
Taylor could have, and whould have finshed the fight without taking any more damage if the fight had went on. There was not enough time left for either of them (Chavez or Taylor) to land a punch, whether the referee knew that or not, you have to admit that. The question is could Taylor continue, and Taylor certainly could have.

It was the ref's mistake stoping the fight with 2 seconds left. He should've given Taylor time to respond the second time he asked him was he okay, but he didn't. By that time the fight whould've been over and Taylor whould have went on to win a slit decision.

Tiredoldngrey
05-29-2005, 06:47 PM
This was a great fight, somewhat cheapened by the way the stories changed with time. The night of the fight I saw it in a bar packed with Taylor fans and with no sound. Conservatively I gave Chavez the 2nd (hurt Taylor w/a hook), the 5th (hurt him again, also w/hook.???), the 8th, 10th, 11th and 12th. Many rounds were close, Taylor won others. I had Chavez leading after 11 and felt the KD (became ko) sealed the decision. One judge had Taylor by 8 points and was blasted in the boxing mags for being stupid. All seemed to feel that it had been a tight bout and even those that had Taylor leading or thought the stop hasty recognized that it was the fates imposing justice. After the best are supposed to go 15- any doubts about who wins in 15? A couple years ago I purchased a copy of the tape of that fight and heard the call for the first time. I couldn't believe it was the same fight. Lampley gave what has become typical for him; a ridiculously slanted report on the action that ignores one fighter and constantly highlights the other. This may have been when he invented his signature move; making and crediting punches that either were never thrown or that missed. Watch the tape with no sound, and also try watching a randomly selected round or two in slo-mo. That reveals the subtlety of JCC's defense (remember how easy to hit he was said to be yet never got marked up?)and the accuracy and effectiveness of his punching.

cornerman
05-30-2005, 03:37 PM
It is true that if Taylor would have finished the fight he would have won by a split descision, but i doubt it would have made much difference to the overall path of Taylors career, he took a tremendous ammount of punishment that night and many argue he was never the same again.
As to what happened after the knock down only Taylor and Steele will really know. Taylor appears to be looking at his corner and not at Richard Steele when he asks him if he wants to continue. If the fight had not been stopped purely due to the fact that there was only 2 seconds left in the round im sure there would be just as many people claiming Chavez was robbed as there are arguing for Taylor now, as you cannot be saved by the bell even in the last round.

onetwopunch
05-30-2005, 10:42 PM
Taylor got screwed big time, that Richard Steele..I hate him he sucks.

juan esparza
04-13-2006, 04:14 AM
taylor was done after chavez put the presure on him chaves landed to many body shots that taylors punches were not hurting chaves and taylor was just moving his handes throwing baby punches but i got to give it to taylor he had a 12 round violation by pops the beating that chaves gave taylor was almost the end of his carer i dont remember taylor having any meanful fights after that