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AIR_KENG
03-28-2005, 11:03 PM
Was Pacquiao shortchanged?
By Ronnie Nathanielz

The Manny Pacquiao Web site, which served as a tremendous boost to the career of the flamboyant Filipino southpaw, has regrettably degenerated into a site for fanatics who don’t have a clue about what really happened in the days leading up to the epic battle with Erik “El Terrible” Morales or what transpired during and immediately after the fight.

Worse still, it has become a venue for vicious and slanderous statements, unsubstantiated accusations and foul language, which have regrettably resulted in turning off genuine fight fans and undermined the integrity of the site while at the same time hurting the image of Pacquiao.

We all love and admire Pacquiao. We have referred to him as “a national treasure” and we salute his incredible courage and gallantry in the ring. His performance against Morales was a tribute not just to himself but to the entire nation because it showed the world the kind of inner strength, bravery and character of the Filipino. But this doesn’t mean that Pacquiao can do no wrong or does not make mistakes. Neither does it — or should it — take anything away from Morales and before him Juan Manuel Marquez, who rose from three knockdowns in the very first round to salvage a draw, controversial though it may have been in the eyes of many.

Truth to tell, those of us who have chronicled the exciting career of Pacquiao who were in Los Angeles to watch him train and then moved to Las Vegas at the same time he did, sensed that all was not right.

As Nick Giongco of the Manila Bulletin has so ably stated along with Abac Cordero of the Philippine Star and Recah Trinidad of the Philippine Daily Inquirer, Pacquiao was surrounded by a gathering of new faces who failed to understand or appreciate the demands of the fight game and were there only for the ride. To us, the new management team of Shelly Finkel as well as trainer Freddie Roach should be held responsible because they had effectively cordoned off the members of the longtime Team Pacquiao led by business manager Rod Nazario, who had always protected Pacquiao from hangers-on and made sure he was totally focused on the task at hand. However, in fairness to Pacquiao, he did show up at the Vagabond Inn where they were staying and on occasions met Nazario and embraced him like old times.

From what we have gathered, Roach and Finkel discussed taking over management of Pacquiao one year ago which is clearly unethical because Pacquiao had a management contract with Marty Elorde. You can claim that Elorde did nothing for Pacquiao but that doesn’t exonerate those who were guilty of tampering. The undeniable fact is that Elorde offered Pacquiao P10 million for a contract extension of five years and a group of well-meaning and financially capable friends of World Boxing Council founding secretary general Rudy Salud offered to up the amount for only a two-and-a-half-year deal.

We ourselves suggested to Pacquiao that he didn’t need a manager and could keep the 25 or 30 percent to himself instead of giving it away.

We will soon detail what transpired and how the Finkel group got Pacquiao to sign a two-year management contract as well as provide a breakdown of how much was ripped off Pacquiao’s purse for the Morales fight. We will also provide as objectively and fairly as humanly possible, a detailed rundown of what happened in the fight so that fight fans will understand why Pacquiao lost and be fair and honest in paying tribute to Morales, who deservedly won and earned our respect as one of the great Mexican champions of our time.

Let us not cheapen Pacquiao’s performance by making excuses about the gloves, the referee, the head-butt, the public officials who went to Las Vegas and everything else.

Let us be men and admit that on that night Morales was the better prepared fighter, with a cool and calculating corner unlike the Pacquiao corner which was in chaos and that Morales executed a well thought out fight plan and hope that Pacquiao and his team will do the right thing next time around and that Pacquiao will avenge his defeat.

AIR_KENG
03-28-2005, 11:06 PM
We will soon detail what transpired and how the Finkel group got Pacquiao to sign a two-year management contract as well as provide a breakdown of how much was ripped off Pacquiao’s purse for the Morales fight. We will also provide as objectively and fairly as humanly possible, a detailed rundown of what happened in the fight so that fight fans will understand why Pacquiao lost and be fair and honest in paying tribute to Morales, who deservedly won and earned our respect as one of the great Mexican champions of our time.

how can he analyze things fairly and objectively if he already has bias in his article??? ronnie is a pacquiao nuthugger through thick, but not through thin...

guardian
03-28-2005, 11:11 PM
We will soon detail what transpired and how the Finkel group got Pacquiao to sign a two-year management contract as well as provide a breakdown of how much was ripped off Pacquiao’s purse for the Morales fight. We will also provide as objectively and fairly as humanly possible, a detailed rundown of what happened in the fight so that fight fans will understand why Pacquiao lost and be fair and honest in paying tribute to Morales, who deservedly won and earned our respect as one of the great Mexican champions of our time.

how can he analyze things fairly and objectively if he already has bias in his article??? ronnie is a pacquiao nuthugger through thick, but not through thin...
I think Ronnie Natanielz and Murad are magkababayans... hehehe

AIR_KENG
03-29-2005, 05:04 AM
I think Ronnie Natanielz and Murad are magkababayans... hehehe
damn! they are not kababayans bro but they do have the same blood flowing through their veins!!!

manila_assasin
03-29-2005, 10:37 AM
I really hope not.

michael_Q
03-29-2005, 10:55 AM
could they just stop going with the pacman flow. stop sensationalizing the man! damn mr. nathanielz! damn all the people na sumasakay sa pag-angat ni manny! just watch him grow dude... he knows wats best for him naman cguro.

bombshell
03-29-2005, 11:02 AM
could they just stop going with the pacman flow. stop sensationalizing the man! damn mr. nathanielz! damn all the people na sumasakay sa pag-angat ni manny! just watch him grow dude... he knows wats best for him naman cguro.
"you have the right to remain silence",but this man try to grab to ride to his back of being popular. that's the people personality-in media you should flow the direction of being, who's hot and who's not! :boxing:

michael_Q
03-29-2005, 11:16 AM
"you have the right to remain silence",but this man try to grab to ride to his back of being popular. that's the people personality-in media you should flow the direction of being, who's hot and who's not! :boxing:


and this is why media is no longer the media that should have been... it's breaking the limit of its functions.

AIR_KENG
03-29-2005, 11:44 AM
"you have the right to remain silence",but this man try to grab to ride to his back of being popular. that's the people personality-in media you should flow the direction of being, who's hot and who's not! :boxing:
he is overdoing it and it really becomes annoying... you see him in all of the interviews and work-outs of manny, asking so many things about manny's training and laughs with him whenever he's in front of the camera... yes, he rides manny's popularity, but by doing so, he is more on the downside... he losses the respect of pacfans, the only thing that is actually noicing him... papansin ang pucha...

kingmo
03-29-2005, 12:20 PM
Pacquiao lost because Morales was the better fighter on the night, plain and simple.. personal problems are part and parcel of every fighters preperations.. who's to say Morales didn't have any problems leadingb up to the fight?? If he had and he lost I doubt his camp would be making up excuses as to why he lost.. ultimately discrediting Morales of his well deserved win.

AIR_KENG
03-29-2005, 12:36 PM
Pacquiao lost because Morales was the better fighter on the night, plain and simple.. personal problems are part and parcel of every fighters preperations.. who's to say Morales didn't have any problems leadingb up to the fight?? If he had and he lost I doubt his camp would be making up excuses as to why he lost.. ultimately discrediting Morales of his well deserved win.
we were not discredting morales in any way... how many times should we admnit that he wa the better man in the fight??? morales is out of the topic now, it's an internal problem in team pacquiao that needs to be settled A.S.A.P...

michael_Q
03-29-2005, 12:39 PM
he is overdoing it and it really becomes annoying... you see him in all of the interviews and work-outs of manny, asking so many things about manny's training and laughs with him whenever he's in front of the camera... yes, he rides manny's popularity, but by doing so, he is more on the downside... he losses the respect of pacfans, the only thing that is actually noicing him... papansin ang pucha...


ur damn right. he's a good man pero he's ****in annoying!
sa PBA na lng dapat cya nagstay...haha

michael_Q
03-29-2005, 12:48 PM
we were not discredting morales in any way... how many times should we admnit that he wa the better man in the fight??? morales is out of the topic now, it's an internal problem in team pacquiao that needs to be settled A.S.A.P...

right. morales won and its over. rematch? hahaha... but not this early...

kingmo
03-29-2005, 04:43 PM
we were not discredting morales in any way... how many times should we admnit that he wa the better man in the fight??? morales is out of the topic now, it's an internal problem in team pacquiao that needs to be settled A.S.A.P...

Didnt say you were discrediting Morales... The article talks about all the problems Manny had in the run up to the fight and why he 'really' lost the fight!!! If thats not discrediting Morales win I dont know that is.

fist-of-fury
03-29-2005, 05:04 PM
In life, there are what we call FAIR-WEATHER FRIENDS. They are there and they swarm you when you're UP, but they run for the nearest exit once you're DOWN. It's sad, but that's life. Worse, some of these so-called friends are actually wolves in sheep's clothing, and they pounce on you even when you're already down and out and takes every opportunity to fleece you of what you've got left.

Manny has this kind of people in his team and in his circle of friends. I just hope he does some self-reflection and take time to know in his heart who his TRUE friends are. Dismiss the FALSE ones and throw away all excess his baggages (the mirons, the distractions, etc.) Otherwise, his demise will not come from his boxing opponents, but from those people nearest to him!

Manny is a true Pinoy hero and we don't want to see such talent and potential go to waste! :(

Palma
03-29-2005, 05:06 PM
"Let us not cheapen Pacquiao’s performance by making excuses about the gloves, the referee, the head-butt, the public officials who went to Las Vegas and everything else.

Let us be men and admit that on that night Morales was the better prepared fighter, with a cool and calculating corner unlike the Pacquiao corner which was in chaos and that Morales executed a well thought out fight plan and hope that Pacquiao and his team will do the right thing next time around and that Pacquiao will avenge his defeat."

Smooth how he threw that in there like that.
No excuses,our fighter lost and nuff said!
He'll avenge the loss to Morales the nest time they meet.
GUARANTEED!!

Palma
03-29-2005, 05:16 PM
In life, there are what we call FAIR-WEATHER FRIENDS. They are there and they swarm you when you're UP, but they run for the nearest exit once you're DOWN. It's sad, but that's life. Worse, some of these so-called friends are actually wolves in sheep's clothing, and they pounce on you even when you're already down and out and takes every opportunity to fleece you of what you've got left.

Manny has this kind of people in his team and in his circle of friends. I just hope he does some self-reflection and take time to know in his heart who his TRUE friends are. Dismiss the FALSE ones and throw away all excess his baggages (the mirons, the distractions, etc.) Otherwise, his demise will not come from his boxing opponents, but from those people nearest to him!

Manny is a true Pinoy hero and we don't want to see such talent and potential go to waste! :(


Sounds like Manny should pay Mike Tyson a visit the next time he is in The USA. I am sure Mike can tell Manny a story or two about these "Fair-Weather Friends" and the hurt they can cause both emotionally and financially.

fist-of-fury
03-29-2005, 09:46 PM
Sounds like Manny should pay Mike Tyson a visit the next time he is in The USA. I am sure Mike can tell Manny a story or two about these "Fair-Weather Friends" and the hurt they can cause both emotionally and financially.


How true! But I'm sure Pac can get his act together, his house cleaned up and bounce back soon! :boxing:

AIR_KENG
03-29-2005, 10:58 PM
How true! But I'm sure Pac can get his act together, his house cleaned up and bounce back soon! :boxing:
i hope he does what erik did for their last fight... ditch the excess baggage and retain the only people that you really need for training... ditch justin fortune, he overworked manny... ditch murad, for obvious reasons... buboy, lenny and freddie should be the only one's there...

fist-of-fury
03-30-2005, 01:37 PM
i hope he does what erik did for their last fight... ditch the excess baggage and retain the only people that you really need for training... ditch justin fortune, he overworked manny... ditch murad, for obvious reasons... buboy, lenny and freddie should be the only one's there...

You know, I just read (was it Pedro Fernandez or Ringtalk?) that Pac's entourage grew from that of a small mob to the size of Ben-Hur's movie cast!!! Not literal of course, but Pac should get the drift. Yeah, he should do an Erik the next time: train with as lean a team as possible, somewhere up in the mountain of Mt. Apo in Mindanao for the most mimimum of distraction! :rolleyes:

Warden11
04-02-2005, 04:13 PM
Pacquiao is my favourite fighter at that weight but I said all along that Morales would win he is just simply a better fighter so who cares what hapened before the fight. Not to say Pacman couldnt beat him just the odds are with Morales

JOM'S
04-03-2005, 12:13 PM
guys what's your take on the PPV share that Manny should have gotten from the fight, they say its around 3,000,000.00 US Dollars, IS THERE ANY CHANCE FOR PAC TO GET IT OR AT LEAST PART OF IT, HOW CAN THE MUHAMMAD ALI ACT HELP THE PAC ???

after that great fight, PAC MAN ended at the short end of the stick, he lost the fight to a better man that night (this okey, better luck next time), but being short changed by 162,000,000 Philippine Pesos (that's a lot of money) ...

AIR_KENG
04-03-2005, 12:23 PM
You know, I just read (was it Pedro Fernandez or Ringtalk?) that Pac's entourage grew from that of a small mob to the size of Ben-Hur's movie cast!!! Not literal of course, but Pac should get the drift. Yeah, he should do an Erik the next time: train with as lean a team as possible, somewhere up in the mountain of Mt. Apo in Mindanao for the most mimimum of distraction! :rolleyes:
haha! mt. apo would be a nice place to train, just pray that he won't be bombed by terrorists :D

AIR_KENG
04-03-2005, 12:26 PM
guys what's your take on the PPV share that Manny should have gotten from the fight, they say its around 3,000,000.00 US Dollars, IS THERE ANY CHANCE FOR PAC TO GET IT OR AT LEAST PART OF IT, HOW CAN THE MUHAMMAD ALI ACT HELP THE PAC ???

after that great fight, PAC MAN ended at the short end of the stick, he lost the fight to a better man that night (this okey, better luck next time), but being short changed by 162,000,000 Philippine Pesos (that's a lot of money) ...
he was shortchanged definitely by murad (he obviously needed the money to regain lost money due to the dental make-over :D)

Crouching Tiger
04-04-2005, 01:41 PM
he was shortchanged definitely by murad (he obviously needed the money to regain lost money due to the dental make-over :D)

I'm not sure if Pac will get his money back, but bottomline is: Pac has admitted that Murad has done miracles for him - MURAD MADE HIS MONEY DISAPPEAR!!!!!! :D

elBartolo
04-07-2005, 05:24 AM
This article has biases written all over it. Funny, but this guy already associated himself with the other group and want to project his group as clean and with clear conscience.

He really likes MM, first Marcos and now Murad. well maybe because M again stands for Money.