Does the shot that knocked Lewis out knock out Mike Tyson, Holyfield or any other HW's? it seems to me that the shot Rahman landed would of knocked most HW's out. McCall is a noted puncher who set Lewis up perfectly and countered him with a shot that he had been working on in training camp.

Is it more a case of Lewis defensive liability than a bad chin?

It may have wobbled Evander, but It wouldn't have knocked him out. It probably would have given Tyson jelly legs. That was a huge punch and even iron jawed guys like Ali, Evander and guys with good chins like Mike would have been hurt by that.

I think it was more of a mistake on Lewis' part. His chin wasn't as bad as people make out. He took some heavy punches and stayed on his feet.

The shot Rahman landed would drop most HW's IMO.

Does the shot that knocked Lewis out knock out Mike Tyson, Holyfield or any other HW's? it seems to me that the shot Rahman landed would of knocked most HW's out. McCall is a noted puncher who set Lewis up perfectly and countered him with a shot that he had been working on in training camp.

Is it more a case of Lewis defensive liability than a bad chin?

I think even Heavyweights with very good chins would have been at least hurt by it. Tex Cobb probably would have just looked at Rahman though.

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I think the shot that Raman landed on Lewis is similar to the shot that Shavers caught Ali with in the 2nd round that buckled Ali. Both were against the ropes with the fighter that got hit misjudging the distance of the punch.

I think even Heavyweights with very good chins would have been at least hurt by it. Tex Cobb probably would have just looked at Rahman though.

Poet

Do you mean this guy :lol1:

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Do you mean this guy :lol1:

http://infinitejestchallenge.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/reilly_john_c.jpg

Yeah, the space alien :boxing:

Poet

Yeah, the space alien :boxing:

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Pretty sure that isn't Tex Cobb in that picture gents

Pretty sure that isn't Tex Cobb in that picture gents

I know, just a bit of a joke:boxing:

Yeah, the space alien :boxing:

Poet
I love Tex Cobb (no homo), he was funnier than Ali, had an even better chin, but to be polite to Cobb, that's where the similarity ended..

I'd say Rahman's shot, landing flush which it did, would KO over 90% of HW's..

Cobb, McCall, Ali, Marciano, Chuvalo & possibly Holmes may have beaten the count..
Both Holyfield and Tyson, had a better chin than Lewis, but not quite as good as the above..

It would KO a good few Heavyweights, and deck a few at least. But I think myabe the likes of Tex Cobb, George Chuvalo, Marion Wilson, Ray Mercer, and a few others stay up from it.

lewis' chin was underrated. solid but not great imo.

I wanna know how did Larry Holmes manage to get up from this punch. From argubaly the hardest puncher of all time.....
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lewis' chin was underrated. solid but not great imo.

I agree. Was it of the caliber of Tua, or (if the fight happened at middleweight) Hagler the answer is no. One factor many might consider in truth is the raw power of Rahman.

I wanna know how did Larry Holmes manage to get up from this punch. From argubaly the hardest puncher of all time.....
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Unreal wasn't it? NOBODY should have gotten up from that punch! :boxing:

Poet

I remember Holmes getting hit with a similar type of punch from McCall that Lewis was knocked out with. He wasn't knocked down but he was hurt.

Unreal wasn't it? NOBODY should have gotten up from that punch! :boxing:

Poet
I was actually at the fight my 1st and only time in Vegas for a fight, when that landed it was all I could do not to grab my coat and beat the rush!

Finding myself in disagreement. I don't think either punch was sufficient to do what they did, a one punch KO of a ATG heavyweight champion. I have a hard time visualizing any quality heavyweight champion this side of Ken Norton getting stopped. I think even the not-as-bad-as-his-reputation Gerry Cooney walks it off.

Does the shot that knocked Lewis out knock out Mike Tyson, Holyfield or any other HW's? it seems to me that the shot Rahman landed would of knocked most HW's out. McCall is a noted puncher who set Lewis up perfectly and countered him with a shot that he had been working on in training camp.

Is it more a case of Lewis defensive liability than a bad chin?

Rahman never in his career was able to poleaxe any other fighter in the manner he did to Lewis.. so i have to go with `No it would not have KOd Tyson, Holyfield or any other HW`s

I love Tex Cobb (no homo), he was funnier than Ali, had an even better chin, but to be polite to Cobb, that's where the similarity ended

Didn't Cobb get put down 4 times in one round by Dee Collier? bit of a stretch to say he had a better chin than Ali.

Didn't Cobb get put down 4 times in one round by Dee Collier? bit of a stretch to say he had a better chin than Ali.
Good info!.. Apologies to Ali, I didn't know about that, thanks... Cobb's still the funnier man though!

Didn't Cobb get put down 4 times in one round by Dee Collier? bit of a stretch to say he had a better chin than Ali.

From what I understand Cobb was heavily into coke by that point though. For a better example of his unreal chin watch his fight with Shavers.

Poet

I think people base Tex Cobb having such a great chin too much on the Larry Holmes fight,I've never seen his fights with Norton or Shavers but from what I read,Shavers looked shot and really poor in the fight with Cobb.He seems to have great wit and his response concerning Howard Cossell quitting in disgust over the mismatch with Cobb and Holmes was hilarious

"If I eliminate heart disease, if I walk on water, if I come up with a cure for crippled kids, I can't imagine a greater gift to mankind."



From what I understand Cobb was heavily into coke by that point though.

Poet

I never knew that,thanks.

I think people base Tex Cobb having such a great chin too much on the Larry Holmes fight,I've never seen his fights with Norton or Shavers but from what I read,Shavers looked shot and really poor in the fight with Cobb.He seems to have great wit and his response concerning Howard Cossell quitting in disgust over the mismatch with Cobb and Holmes was hilarious

"If I eliminate heart disease, if I walk on water, if I come up with a cure for crippled kids, I can't imagine a greater gift to mankind."

Shavers hit Cobb flush with some monster shots and Tex didn't even blink.

Poet

I never knew that,thanks.

Of course, he could have been on PCP for the Shavers fight which might explain ability to take Earnie's best shots ;)

Poet

I think people base Tex Cobb having such a great chin too much on the Larry Holmes fight,I've never seen his fights with Norton or Shavers but from what I read,Shavers looked shot and really poor in the fight with Cobb.He seems to have great wit and his response concerning Howard Cossell quitting in disgust over the mismatch with Cobb and Holmes was hilarious

"If I eliminate heart disease, if I walk on water, if I come up with a cure for crippled kids, I can't imagine a greater gift to mankind."

I never knew that,thanks.

Cobb took awful punishment against Norton, Dokes, Buster Douglas, Mercado, etc.

At his best he had as good a chin as anybody but other than that he had no redeeming qualities really. It's not even that he had somewhat underrated defense such as LaMotta or Chuvalo, he just took punches flush on the chin and eventually it was going to catch up with him. Late in his career it did.

Does the shot that knocked Lewis out knock out Mike Tyson, Holyfield or any other HW's? it seems to me that the shot Rahman landed would of knocked most HW's out. McCall is a noted puncher who set Lewis up perfectly and countered him with a shot that he had been working on in training camp.

Is it more a case of Lewis defensive liability than a bad chin?

a nuthugger trying to make excuses for his hero

a nuthugger trying to make excuses for his hero
Sonny going through old posts to draw this argument out does you no credit my friend. You have your view Dynamite has his, i'd leave it there.
Re the thread, if a 230/240lb professional boxer hits you with a clean shot the likelyhood is your going down, thats more physics than anything.

Sonny going through old posts to draw this argument out does you no credit my friend. You have your view Dynamite has his, i'd leave it there.
Re the thread, if a 230/240lb professional boxer hits you with a clean shot the likelyhood is your going down, thats more physics than anything.

just a small few of Dynamites threads.. all trying to justify his idolization of Lewis... go through all my threads and try find a thread i have started on Lewis... you wont find one.. i am consistant in my view of Lennox Lewis, i only talk Lewis in Lewis threads... yet i get ridiculed and trashed for doing so..by the Lewis nuthuggers.. it is not a level playing field GJC

just a small few of Dynamites threads.. all trying to justify his idolization of Lewis... go through all my threads and try find a thread i have started on Lewis... you wont find one.. i am consistant in my view of Lennox Lewis, i only talk Lewis in Lewis threads... yet i get ridiculed and trashed for doing so..by the Lewis nuthuggers.. it is not a level playing field GJC
You have shoe horned Lewis into a few unrelated threads Sonny surely you will admit that?

just a small few of Dynamites threads.. all trying to justify his idolization of Lewis... go through all my threads and try find a thread i have started on Lewis... you wont find one.. i am consistant in my view of Lennox Lewis, i only talk Lewis in Lewis threads... yet i get ridiculed and trashed for doing so..by the Lewis nuthuggers.. it is not a level playing field GJC

How many times do you need telling? im not even a Lewis fan, much less a Lewis nuthugger. I will pull anyone up for undervaluing a fighter, particularly if they are trying to make out they are being objective about that fighter when they are so blatantly not!

I will also pull people up who i feel are overvaluing a fighter,its just how i roll.

The only thing consistent about your views on Lennox Lewis is that fact that you have hated on him in every post you ever made and never once!! been objective, why do you think the GreatA accused of being severly biased earlier ?

You have!! to believe im a Lewis fanboy because that would say you were irrationally hating on Lewis rather than putting a fanboy straight on his love for Lennox. I know your game old! boy.

Does the shot that knocked Lewis out knock out Mike Tyson, Holyfield or any other HW's? it seems to me that the shot Rahman landed would of knocked most HW's out. McCall is a noted puncher who set Lewis up perfectly and countered him with a shot that he had been working on in training camp.

Is it more a case of Lewis defensive liability than a bad chin?

a lot of them would have got up though,

I bet big george coulda taken it..esp in his comeback, Holyfield in his prime might have soaked it up as well.

that shot shavers landed on Holmes was wack..Holmes looked like he was put to the sleep..then he suddenly jumps up.

that shot shavers landed on Holmes was wack..Holmes looked like he was put to the sleep..then he suddenly jumps up.
Thought the referee was a little quick to stop the fight v McCall, Lewis was in trouble but no more shaky than Holmes was against Shavers in my view.

The shot landed by Rahman would of flat out knocked just about every HW who ever fought completely silly. It was a perfect punch. Straight down the pipe, through the guard and onto Lewis chin which also happened to be turned away into profile so his chin was in the ultimate spot to get the KO punch.

I don't actually believe there would be any HW who wouldn't go down from that shot at least. If you ask anyone what the perfect and only definite way to KO someone is, they will say "If you get a punch from the side or a profile shot right to the point of someone's chin, they will go down no matter what"

Go through Foreman's career. He never got hit by a punch like that. Ever. He went down and got knocked out from much lesser stuff and neither did many others. Because his head was turned into the profile position and his body was still relatively straight there is no give in the neck. It just snaps your whole head and brain into complete shock. No one stays up from that shot. They might not stay down, but they don't stay up.

Most guys with good chins also have one good habit. They never get hit with their chin turned to the side while their body is straight on. Guys that do turn their heads keep their body turned too so that if they get hit their head turns around with room to keep going with the force of the punch. Rahman's shot didn't allow any of that and his head was turned too late anyway. When you get your punched into your shoulder you do not survive it. The shock to your brain is simply physically too much.

It was stuck up in the air, turned to the side and he got hit right on the point of the chin. It was like the shot that Hearns landed on Duran. He had one of the greatest chins but he got hit by a very hard puncher from the side on the point of the chin. Lights out!

you know that shot I have to agree I think it does not knock out an ali or tyson or holyfield they were better defensivley and had iron chins and could take a good punch.:boxing: