Who were the worst world champs?

These are normally the guys you discover by accident.. You'll be watching a fight, and it suddenly dawns on you, How the hell did he become champ??

I'm sure every division must have one..

Because of the nature of the question.... Yes.... WBO can be included..

Here's a few, off the top of my head, that may/maybe not, be considered.

HW John Tate
CW Tyrone Booze
LHW JB Williamson
SMW Vincenzo Nardiello
MW Doug De Witt
LMW Duane Thomas
WW Manning Galloway
LWW Carlos Mausa

Plenty of room for debate just on the above mentioned, but there's a whole lot more.. Think I may have been a little unkind to DeWitt lol, but we'll see..

List is endless if you considerin cats who simply held any 1 of the 4 belts and wasn't lineal.

List is endless if you considerin cats who simply held any 1 of the 4 belts and wasn't lineal.
That's the whole idea.. Not endless, but a lot of possibilities that are cordially open for debate..

That's the whole idea.. Not endless, but a lot of possibilities that are cordially open for debate..

Oh. Well you go back further than me so most of who I'd name would just be cats from the late 70s up. There have been dozens of 'champions' who ain't truly fit the bill. Some were at least decent fighters I suppose but there's been many subpar cats who got their hands on a belt. And keepin wit serious world champs the 1st name to my mind was Baldomir. Can't believe he became world champ, and rightfully undisputed if not for $ issues.

Who were the worst world champs?

These are normally the guys you discover by accident.. You'll be watching a fight, and it suddenly dawns on you, How the hell did he become champ??

I'm sure every division must have one..

Because of the nature of the question.... Yes.... WBO can be included..

Here's a few, off the top of my head, that may/maybe not, be considered.

HW John Tate
CW Tyrone Booze
LHW JB Williamson
SMW Vincenzo Nardiello
MW Doug De Witt
LMW Duane Thomas
WW Manning Galloway
LWW Carlos Mausa

Plenty of room for debate just on the above mentioned, but there's a whole lot more.. Think I may have been a little unkind to DeWitt lol, but we'll see..

JOHN TATE - was a good fighter - his fights are very sought after and IMO Tate would be favourite to beat ALL the current heavyweight claimants.

TYRONE BOOZE - Good fighter who held his own against IBHOF ers Holyfield, Qawi & Eddie Mustapha Muhammad, he came over to the UK in 92 and put on a brutal power-punching display to KO undeteated Derek Angol.. i would fancy BOOZE to beat all of the current Top 10 cruiserweights today.

DOUG DEWITT - A real tough-cookie who always gave value-for-money in his fights and took part in some humdingers, Dewitt was good enough to defeat, Robbie Sims (defeated Duran), Dan Sherry (gave Eubank fits), Mathew Hilton (Brutal punching ex champ), Tony Thornton (pushed Eubank all the way). Don Lee (knocked out Sibson)..Dewitt took the bombs of Thomas Hearns on the chin without flinching and only succumed to Nigel Benn towards the tail-end of his career..Dewitt would be a top contender if not a champion today.

DUANE THOMAS - Kronk fighter trained by Manny Stewart and trained alongside Hearns, McCallum & McCrory, good enough to beat Sumbu Kalambay which tells how good his boxing ability was, knocked out John Mugabi (claimed he was thumbed) then robbed of title over in France on dubious decision.

The rest on your list i agree they are not the greatest of World Champions we have seen.

Worst undisputed Champion Ever -- Hasim Rahman

Oh. Well you go back further than me so most of who I'd name would just be cats from the late 70s up. There have been dozens of 'champions' who ain't truly fit the bill. Some were at least decent fighters I suppose but there's been many subpar cats who got their hands on a belt. And keepin wit serious world champs the 1st name to my mind was Baldomir. Can't believe he became world champ, and rightfully undisputed if not for $ issues.
Precisely!.. This debate is ideal for the younger posters, as the fighters in question will without doubt, have emerged from 1980 onwards.. Poor fighters simply wouldn't get a shot, back in the day..

I'd say Boldomir made up for his short comings with toughness and durabillity...

JOHN TATE - was a good fighter - his fights are very sought after and IMO Tate would be favourite to beat ALL the current heavyweight claimants.

TYRONE BOOZE - Good fighter who held his own against IBHOF ers Holyfield, Qawi & Eddie Mustapha Muhammad, he came over to the UK in 92 and put on a brutal power-punching display to KO undeteated Derek Angol.. i would fancy BOOZE to beat all of the current Top 10 cruiserweights today.

DOUG DEWITT - A real tough-cookie who always gave value-for-money in his fights and took part in some humdingers, Dewitt was good enough to defeat, Robbie Sims (defeated Duran), Dan Sherry (gave Eubank fits), Mathew Hilton (Brutal punching ex champ), Tony Thornton (pushed Eubank all the way). Don Lee (knocked out Sibson)..Dewitt took the bombs of Thomas Hearns on the chin without flinching and only succumed to Nigel Benn towards the tail-end of his career..Dewitt would be a top contender if not a champion today.

DUANE THOMAS - Kronk fighter trained by Manny Stewart and trained alongside Hearns, McCallum & McCrory, good enough to beat Sumbu Kalambay which tells how good his boxing ability was, knocked out John Mugabi (claimed he was thumbed) then robbed of title over in France on dubious decision.

The rest on your list i agree they are not the greatest of World Champions we have seen.

Worst undisputed Champion Ever -- Hasim Rahman
Tate was a poorman's Riddick Bowe, who fought in worse shape as well as worse company.. I clearly remember him running round the ring with Mike Weaver in persuit sploshing at the back of his head.. He then went on to lose to Noel Quarless of all people.. Good he was NOT..

Tyrone Booze was a fat guy with a mass of defeats, who very briefly had a sneek at the WBO title, and will NOT be remembered for anything..

I've already said that I may have been unkind to DeWitt, but lets face it.. A close DC to blown up LM Hilton, and a loss to Benn in his 1st defense isn't anything to write home about..

Duane Thomas DID thumb John Mugabe in the eye.. This was a shot Mugabe to.. He then failed in his 1st defense and disappeared off the face of the earth, and you think he's good? lol

The WORST champ ever?

Well, try and take a look at the record of former welterweight champion Waldemar Holberg!

He was champion for all of 23 days back in 1914, and compiled a record of 44-24-5 from 1908 to 1921... with 39 of those wins coming against opponents with little pro experience (10 fights or less).

And many of the men who actually beat him were complete beginners with just 3 or 4 fights under their belt!

Simply amazing how bad this guy was!

The WORST champ ever?

Well, try and take a look at the record of former welterweight champion Waldemar Holberg!

He was champion for all of 23 days back in 1914, and compiled a record of 44-24-5 from 1908 to 1921... with 39 of those wins coming against opponents with little pro experience (10 fights or less).

And many of the men who actually beat him were complete beginners with just 3 or 4 fights under their belt!

Simply amazing how bad this guy was!
Good contribution! Heard of the name Holberg, but that's about it..
Wil do some research.. Thanks for that!

Tate was a poorman's Riddick Bowe, who fought in worse shape as well as worse company.. I clearly remember him running round the ring with Mike Weaver in persuit sploshing at the back of his head.. He then went on to lose to Noel Quarless of all people.. Good he was NOT..

Tyrone Booze was a fat guy with a mass of defeats, who very briefly had a sneek at the WBO title, and will NOT be remembered for anything..

I've already said that I may have been unkind to DeWitt, but lets face it.. A close DC to blown up LM Hilton, and a loss to Benn in his 1st defense isn't anything to write home about..

Duane Thomas DID thumb John Mugabe in the eye.. This was a shot Mugabe to.. He then failed in his 1st defense and disappeared off the face of the earth, and you think he's good? lol

John Tate - won virtually every minute of the full 15rds distance against a prime Mike"hercules"Weaver and with 45 seconds remaining in the final round Weaver caught him with a monster uppercut than left Tate face-down on the canvas.. Trevor Berbick was the fighter running after John Tate hitting him in the back of the head not Weaver.. Tate was good enough to beat Gerrie Coetzee over in South Africa also Kallie Knoetze, Duane Bobick & Bernado Mercado... as for Noel Quarless beating Tate, we might as well ridicule Sugar Ray Robinson for losing his final fight to Honolulu barman Stan Hernandez.

Tyrone Booze - i have 3 of his fights and seen him fight live` on one occasion, he was a decent fighter who knew how to handle himself in the ring, he was a sparring partner in philly for all the great light-heavyweights of the 80s Braxton, Spinks, Gregory, Franklin, Johnson... who are these `mass of defeats` against?

Duane Thomas - beat Mugabi fairly easily landing a vicious left-hook that staggered a prime Mugabi who turned away claiming he had been hit with a thumb (quit) this fight was only 6 months after Mugabi lost to Marvin Hagler.. after the defeat to Duane Thomas 6 weeks later Mugabi was back in the ring scoring a 2rd KO he then reeled off 11 straight KO victories so was a long way from shot`... Thomas lost a desputed decision over in France in his 1st title defence, he lost to Gianfranco Rosi over in Italy before becoming heavily into Drugs and was shot and killed in Detroit a few years later.... yes he was a good fighter

Doug DeWitt - KOd Mathew Hilton the same Hilton who was a tremendous puncher and was fancied by many to rule the roost at Middleweight... beat Kalambay & Haglers brother Robbie Sims.... its clear your knowledge of boxing is very limited when claiming Doug Dewitt was ****e`

Worst Heavyweight belt-holder (since no one really considered him the "champion"): Trevor Berbick.

Poet

Alan Minter would score high for me.
Knowing that Hagler was lurking in the background, the title fight with Vito Antuofermo (another poor champion IMO) was like two bald men fighting for a comb.

Worst Heavyweight belt-holder (since no one really considered him the "champion"): Trevor Berbick.

Poet
Such an abundance of riches in the Heavys, Bruce Seldon, Tony Tubbs, Jess Willard, Carnera, Neon Leon, Bentt, Akinwande and thats even before we get into the murderers row of the 2000's.
Berbick was crap but he's beginning to look like Ali in that company lol

John Tate - won virtually every minute of the full 15rds distance against a prime Mike"hercules"Weaver and with 45 seconds remaining in the final round Weaver caught him with a monster uppercut than left Tate face-down on the canvas.. Trevor Berbick was the fighter running after John Tate hitting him in the back of the head not Weaver.. Tate was good enough to beat Gerrie Coetzee over in South Africa also Kallie Knoetze, Duane Bobick & Bernado Mercado... as for Noel Quarless beating Tate, we might as well ridicule Sugar Ray Robinson for losing his final fight to Honolulu barman Stan Hernandez.

Tyrone Booze - i have 3 of his fights and seen him fight live` on one occasion, he was a decent fighter who knew how to handle himself in the ring, he was a sparring partner in philly for all the great light-heavyweights of the 80s Braxton, Spinks, Gregory, Franklin, Johnson... who are these `mass of defeats` against?

Duane Thomas - beat Mugabi fairly easily landing a vicious left-hook that staggered a prime Mugabi who turned away claiming he had been hit with a thumb (quit) this fight was only 6 months after Mugabi lost to Marvin Hagler.. after the defeat to Duane Thomas 6 weeks later Mugabi was back in the ring scoring a 2rd KO he then reeled off 11 straight KO victories so was a long way from shot`... Thomas lost a desputed decision over in France in his 1st title defence, he lost to Gianfranco Rosi over in Italy before becoming heavily into Drugs and was shot and killed in Detroit a few years later.... yes he was a good fighter

Doug DeWitt - KOd Mathew Hilton the same Hilton who was a tremendous puncher and was fancied by many to rule the roost at Middleweight... beat Kalambay & Haglers brother Robbie Sims.... its clear your knowledge of boxing is very limited when claiming Doug Dewitt was ****e`
How many times have I told you about telling lies?

Where did I say DeWitt was ****E, c'mon, where the fvck did I say it????????
Said right from the beginning, 'I may be being a bit unkind to him'
Yes, he was definitely the best of those mentioned, and indeed a very tough competitor, but NOT a brilliant world champ as you seem to suggest...
Hilton may have been a good LM, & fancied at MW, but he didn't cut it! imo

Tyrone Booze has been in with good company, and LOST to every single one of them..
Here are some of his defeats, Jesse Ferguson, Markus Bott, Magne Havna, Nate Miller, Dwight Quawi, Johnny DuPlooey, Henry Tilman, Bert Cooper, Evander Holyfield, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad..
The only fighter of note he's beaten, was the very average Ralph Rocchigiani..
So, yes your right, he was indeed a 'sparring partner'..

Oh and you're right again, it was Berbick he ran away from lol, which kinda makes it even worse for Tate, as Trev wasn't exactly a devastating puncher was he?
What a peculiar thing to do in a boxing match.. He really was a very poor champion indeed..

Thomas was Mugabe's next fight following the KO defeat to Hagler..
Everyone knows the 'beast' was tame after that, and the 11 straight wins you refer to were all journeymen, or no namer's with the exception of Rene Jacuot who I believe twisted an ankle or something.. The first decent fighter he met (Norris) KO'd him in one round..
The 'vicious' left hook you mention, looked more like an open handed upper cut to me, but this is only from memory, as I don't have the fight, but Mugabe immediately put a glove to his eye after Thomas had connected..

Berbick was crap but he's beginning to look like Ali in that company lol

That's frightening in it's implications you know :rofl: I used to think Carnera was the worst but some of really knowledgable old-school posters here convinced me he wasn't QUITE as bad as I had thought.

Poet

Alan Minter would score high for me.
Knowing that Hagler was lurking in the background, the title fight with Vito Antuofermo (another poor champion IMO) was like two bald men fighting for a comb.
I wondered when Minter was gonna come up lol
Trust you!.. I don't think he was particularly terrible though.. He just bled a lot..
I remember when Minter was calling himself 'Boom Boom', then all of a sudden Ray Mancini came along!

I wondered when Minter was gonna come up lol
Trust you!.. I don't think he was particularly terrible though.. He just bled a lot..
I remember when Minter was calling himself 'Boom Boom', then all of a sudden Ray Mancini came along!
Lets say he was well managed!
Every time I saw him he lost, couldn't believe he got a shot at the title.
Mind it was against Antuofermo, thinking about it I was only in my 40's then maybe I could've had a shot :)

That's frightening in it's implications you know :rofl: I used to think Carnera was the worst but some of really knowledgable old-school posters here convinced me he wasn't QUITE as bad as I had thought.

Poet
Yes there does seem to be a bit of reconstructing of Carnera going on.
Before my time but I remember my old man couldn't speak of him without a smile on his face lol. Think it speaks volumes when people speaking up for him say things like "that fight was probably on the level" !

Alan Minter would score high for me.
Knowing that Hagler was lurking in the background, the title fight with Vito Antuofermo (another poor champion IMO) was like two bald men fighting for a comb.

OMG! It's funny, but a couple of years ago on another boxing site I made a post that Antoufermo was a club-fighter or something along those lines and another poster went absolutely apesh1t over it. He ended up accusing me of being biased against European fighters just because I didn't think Vito was that good :rofl:

Poet

OMG! It's funny, but a couple of years ago on another boxing site I made a post that Antoufermo was a club-fighter or something along those lines and another poster went absolutely apesh1t over it. He ended up accusing me of being biased against European fighters just because I didn't think Vito was that good :rofl:

Poet
Antuofermo reminded me a lot of Gatti but without the defence.

How many times have I told you about telling lies?

Where did I say DeWitt was ****E, c'mon, where the fvck did I say it????????
Said right from the beginning, 'I may be being a bit unkind to him'
Yes, he was definitely the best of those mentioned, and indeed a very tough competitor, but NOT a brilliant world champ as you seem to suggest...
Hilton may have been a good LM, & fancied at MW, but he didn't cut it! imo

Tyrone Booze has been in with good company, and LOST to every single one of them..
Here are some of his defeats, Jesse Ferguson, Markus Bott, Magne Havna, Nate Miller, Dwight Quawi, Johnny DuPlooey, Henry Tilman, Bert Cooper, Evander Holyfield, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad..
The only fighter of note he's beaten, was the very average Ralph Rocchigiani..
So, yes your right, he was indeed a 'sparring partner'..

Oh and you're right again, it was Berbick he ran away from lol, which kinda makes it even worse for Tate, as Trev wasn't exactly a devastating puncher was he?
What a peculiar thing to do in a boxing match.. He really was a very poor champion indeed..

Thomas was Mugabe's next fight following the KO defeat to Hagler..
Everyone knows the 'beast' was tame after that, and the 11 straight wins you refer to were all journeymen, or no namer's with the exception of Rene Jacuot who I believe twisted an ankle or something.. The first decent fighter he met (Norris) KO'd him in one round..
The 'vicious' left hook you mention, looked more like an open handed upper cut to me, but this is only from memory, as I don't have the fight, but Mugabe immediately put a glove to his eye after Thomas had connected..

you named Dewitt as one of the worst champions in boxing history, which indicates you rate him as ****e`
nor did i rate him `brilliant`i said he was a good fighter and tough cookie...You have Dewitt on your list as your selected "Worst Champions in History" and now you are trying to deny it, saying you may be unkind to him because another poster called into question your comments

Do yourself a favour and go watch some Mathew Hilton fights, especially his fights with Drayton, Owens, Antuofermo & Benitez.. if Hilton was in the `Super 6 Tournement`i would be betting that he wins the tournement and all his wins would be brutal KOs.. none of the 6 fighters in that tournement had a set of whiskers like Doug Dewitt.

Tyrone Booze lost on points to 5 world champions, the other defeats was to highly rated fighters with Duploy & Ferguson being heavyweights.. Booze was far from being one of the worst champions ever.

Mugabi was in his prime and strongly fancied to beat Duane Thomas, he scored 11 straight KO wins over the next 3yrs and was strongly fancied to beat Terry Norris but failed, he then scored a couple of more KOs before being destroyed by Gerald McClellan in London - That is when boxing commentators started to claim Migabi was a `Shot fighter`... again Duane Thomas was far from one of the worst champions ever.

Yes there does seem to be a bit of reconstructing of Carnera going on.
Before my time but I remember my old man couldn't speak of him without a smile on his face lol. Think it speaks volumes when people speaking up for him say things like "that fight was probably on the level" !

It's hard to tell really. But when someone like GreatA or Slicksouthpaw says they think a certain fight is on the level I trust their judgement. Both are more knowledgable about boxing than I am.

Poet

you named Dewitt as one of the worst champions in boxing history, which indicates you rate him as ****e`
nor did i rate him `brilliant`i said he was a good fighter and tough cookie...You have Dewitt on your list as your selected "Worst Champions in History" and now you are trying to deny it, saying you may be unkind to him because another poster called into question your comments

Do yourself a favour and go watch some Mathew Hilton fights, especially his fights with Drayton, Owens, Antuofermo & Benitez.. if Hilton was in the `Super 6 Tournement`i would be betting that he wins the tournement and all his wins would be brutal KOs.. none of the 6 fighters in that tournement had a set of whiskers like Doug Dewitt.

Tyrone Booze lost on points to 5 world champions, the other defeats was to highly rated fighters with Duploy & Ferguson being heavyweights.. Booze was far from being one of the worst champions ever.

Mugabi was in his prime and strongly fancied to beat Duane Thomas, he scored 11 straight KO wins over the next 3yrs and was strongly fancied to beat Terry Norris but failed, he then scored a couple of more KOs before being destroyed by Gerald McClellan in London - That is when boxing commentators started to claim Migabi was a `Shot fighter`... again Duane Thomas was far from one of the worst champions ever.
Because another poster called in to question my comments??

I've used the words 'worst' and 'poor' No world champ is ****e! That's just one of your suburban yuppie expressions and was never indicated in any of my posts..

I'm not denying anything, DeWitt was one of the poorest MW champs in History.. That's why he failed at top level, had a nose like a Dover Sole, and could only win the WBO version of the title.. I think it should also be mentioned that Hilton had drug & alcohol problems at the time, and was hardly ever heard of there on after.. However, agreed, he WAS a fine 154 pounder & I followed his career during the 80's..

I've noticed you haven't suggested anyone who was worse than Booze or Thomas though, and I've also noticed that you haven't bothered to argue the corner for BJT in this post.. Well at least your learning something, I suppose...

Because another poster called in to question my comments??

I've used the words 'worst' and 'poor' No world champ is ****e! That's just one of your suburban yuppie expressions and was never indicated in any of my posts..

I'm not denying anything, DeWitt was one of the poorest MW champs in History.. That's why he failed at top level, had a nose like a Dover Sole, and could only win the WBO version of the title.. I think it should also be mentioned that Hilton had drug & alcohol problems at the time, and was hardly ever heard of there on after.. However, agreed, he WAS a fine 154 pounder & I followed his career during the 80's..

I've noticed you haven't suggested anyone who was worse than Booze or Thomas though, and I've also noticed that you haven't bothered to argue the corner for BJT in this post.. Well at least your learning something, I suppose...

its not up to me to list fighters who are worse, ive stated that Booze & Thomas are both far from being the worst world champions..

John Tate as ive said earlier was a very decent fighter before alcohol problems beset him..i would rather watch a John Tate fight than a Valuev or one of the Klitschko brothers fights, Tate was far better skilled than alot of heavyweights are today.

Regarding Duane Thomas, Mugabi did say he was thumbed, but I think I read his eye socket was actually broken by that punch, which I remember Thomas after the fight saying was from his "favorite punch". Also, that fight between Duane Thomas and Lupe Aquino (I thought it was Aquino) was far, far, far, far from disputed. I don't remember Thomas winning a round. Didn't Duane Thomas die from getting his head run over by a car? Or am I thinking of Davey Moore? Someone else? Did I make that up?
Also, I would exclude fighters who, despite being bad, legitimately won their title from a strong or certainly lineal champion. Hence, I leave out Carlos Baldomir. I got into a similar debate once with some dude at a local boxing show about Stevie Cruz. He beat McGuigan. Who beat Pedroza. Etc.
I look at guys like Lou Del Valle, who did virtually nothing to earn his shot for a vacant belt against world beater Eddie Smulders but lose to old man river Virgil Hill. He then promptly lost it to Roy Jones in his next fight. Or non-fight, as the case was.

its not up to me to list fighters who are worse, ive stated that Booze & Thomas are both far from being the worst world champions..

John Tate as ive said earlier was a very decent fighter before alcohol problems beset him..i would rather watch a John Tate fight than a Valuev or one of the Klitschko brothers fights, Tate was far better skilled than alot of heavyweights are today.
I don't blame you.. Anyone would be hard pressed to name another champion who was worse than them..

Regarding Duane Thomas, Mugabi did say he was thumbed, but I think I read his eye socket was actually broken by that punch, which I remember Thomas after the fight saying was from his "favorite punch". Also, that fight between Duane Thomas and Lupe Aquino (I thought it was Aquino) was far, far, far, far from disputed. I don't remember Thomas winning a round. Didn't Duane Thomas die from getting his head run over by a car? Or am I thinking of Davey Moore? Someone else? Did I make that up?
Also, I would exclude fighters who, despite being bad, legitimately won their title from a strong or certainly lineal champion. Hence, I leave out Carlos Baldomir. I got into a similar debate once with some dude at a local boxing show about Stevie Cruz. He beat McGuigan. Who beat Pedroza. Etc.
I look at guys like Lou Del Valle, who did virtually nothing to earn his shot for a vacant belt against world beater Eddie Smulders but lose to old man river Virgil Hill. He then promptly lost it to Roy Jones in his next fight. Or non-fight, as the case was.

Davey Moore was crushed by a car on his own driveway, Duane Thomas was gunned down in front of a store by drug dealers... Lou Del Valle actually floored Roy Jones with virtualy his only punch of the fight.

Steve Cruz vs McGuigan was a very exciting fight with Cruz being the worthy winner yet he kinda faded into obscurity shortly aftwards.

Vincenzo Nardiello was a terrible champion..he was the ultimate spoiler to say the least...he wouldn't stop complaining to the ref from start to Finnish!
He would even complain when he won lol
wouldnt he Micky !?

i dont think there is a worst champion,to be a champion you have to have ability,you may not be as popular as others but a champion you are,not only in boxing but to be a champion in any sport takes a will and a dedication not only to the sport but to the athletes themselves :boxing:

Mayorga. He was the worst unified champion ever!

Cristobal Cruz
Lovemore Ndou
Gavin Rees
Alex Arthur
Joachim Alcine
Jurgen Braehmar

The Africans trading titles at 130; a lot of the 168 pound champions ever.

Luis Santana. Won, defended and lost his title on his back.

I've told the story a couple of times already but Al McCoy's title reign has to rate as one of the worst.

The southpaw McCoy reigned as the middleweight champion for more than 3 years during 1914-1917 and was involved in numerous fights during that time, of which he lost nearly all aside from his first round KO title win over George Chip. McCoy however could not lose his title on a newspaper decision and kept his title despite losing fight after fight and only barely hanging on to last the distance. Eventually Mike O'Dowd knocked him out and ended his reign of error.

Harry "3-fists" McWillis. Robbed the Great Tucan McGinty.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=12004&cat=boxer

I hope I am reading that wrong but it claims that this scam is actually in the hall of fame.

Berbick was crap

He wasn't crap at all.Wins over Greg Page,John Tate and Pinklon Thomas are very impressive.


Antuofermo reminded me a lot of Gatti but without the defence.

And the offense,look up Corro vs Antuofermo for further details.They said said Taylor vs Spinks was the worst middleweight title fight ever.....I disagree

no champ is worst, if they would be worst they wouldn't be champs

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=12004&cat=boxer

I hope I am reading that wrong but it claims that this scam is actually in the hall of fame.



He wasn't crap at all.Wins over Greg Page,John Tate and Pinklon Thomas are very impressive.




And the offense,look up Corro vs Antuofermo for further details.They said said Taylor vs Spinks was the worst middleweight title fight ever.....I disagree

Not even close. Hopkins-Hakkar anyone?

Luis Santana. Won, defended and lost his title on his back.
Now there is a live contender for the title.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=12004&cat=boxer

I hope I am reading that wrong but it claims that this scam is actually in the hall of fame.



He wasn't crap at all.Wins over Greg Page,John Tate and Pinklon Thomas are very impressive.




And the offense,look up Corro vs Antuofermo for further details.They said said Taylor vs Spinks was the worst middleweight title fight ever.....I disagree
I was being ironic saying Gatti without the defence :) He seemed to think that it was against the rules for them to miss him.
No Berbick wasn't all that but maybe crap was a bit strong.
Hey Prince you've disagreed with omeone without calling them a cunt or an idiot? Your mellowing :)

Hey Prince you've disagreed with omeone without calling them a cunt or an idiot? Your mellowing :)

He has his Slimey Limey back to do that under :rofl:

Poet

He has his Slimey Limey back to do that under :rofl:

Poet
I'll await my idiotic cunt badge then :)

I'll await my idiotic cunt badge then :)

:haha: I think BPP was drunk one night and accidently unbanned the ID :rofl:

Poet

I'm prepared to anoit Luis Santana as the winner of this contest as well. Good call.

Luis Santana. Won, defended and lost his title on his back.

Was he the guy Norris lost his head against, and Terry punched him out and then kept going and got DQ'd, and then the same in the rematch?

Cristobal Cruz
Lovemore Ndou
Gavin Rees
Alex Arthur
Joachim Alcine
Jurgen Braehmar

The Africans trading titles at 130; a lot of the 168 pound champions ever.
Good list.. Ndou and Arthur arn't short of skills though.. Perhaps they just under achieved.. There are people in Scotland who think Arthur has more ability than Ken Buchannon!
With regard to the other 3, how on earth did they do it? Especially Rees..
But when you take into consideration, he had to move up 2 weights to win a title at LWW, you have to give him credit...

Was he the guy Norris lost his head against, and Terry punched him out and then kept going and got DQ'd, and then the same in the rematch?
Yep! It was him.. Well spotted by GreatA there..

no champ is worst, if they would be worst they wouldn't be champs
Don't be silly! Of course there is.. There's a worst of everything in all sports, right from players to pitches to referees etc..

If I may throw another possibility into the mix: Battling Siki

If I may throw another possibility into the mix: Battling Siki
Shocked an ageing Carpentier to win the LH title, and I believe then lost it in his 1st defense.. Good call..

Shocked an ageing Carpentier to win the LH title, and I believe then lost it in his 1st defense.. Good call..

He put on a good show against Carpentier though. Nothing pretty about it but it was an early 1900's war.

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He put on a good show against Carpentier though. Nothing pretty about it but it was an early 1900's war.

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No I think you have this with Luis Santana.

no one said john ruiz?

no one said john ruiz?

john ruiz is'nt that bad, infact he's underrated, he's just borin as hell

James J. Braddock. No way in hell that he could've defeated Max Baer. No way in hell.

I'm shocked Nicky Cooks name hasn't been mentioned yet, he is lucky to be a British champion let alone world champion.

Who were the worst world champs?

These are normally the guys you discover by accident.. You'll be watching a fight, and it suddenly dawns on you, How the hell did he become champ??

I'm sure every division must have one..

Because of the nature of the question.... Yes.... WBO can be included..

Here's a few, off the top of my head, that may/maybe not, be considered.

HW John Tate
CW Tyrone Booze
LHW JB Williamson
SMW Vincenzo Nardiello
MW Doug De Witt
LMW Duane Thomas
WW Manning Galloway
LWW Carlos Mausa

Plenty of room for debate just on the above mentioned, but there's a whole lot more.. Think I may have been a little unkind to DeWitt lol, but we'll see..

As far as heavyweights go-John Ruiz, Leon Spinks, Valuev, Tony Tubbs, Hasim Rahman, Jim Braddock and Marvin Hart

As far as heavyweights go-John Ruiz, Leon Spinks, Valuev, Tony Tubbs, Hasim Rahman, Jim Braddock and Marvin Hart
I'd like to include Ruiz, but he's had a lot of success through tediously grinding out results.. The same applys to Valuev..
I'd say Rahman (could punch) and Tubbs (could box) would beat Braddock and Hart (who were both survivors) as well as say, Coetzee (could punch) & Damiani (could box) who in turn would probably beat Leon Spinks (could box a little bit)
Spinks has to be the worst in my opinion..

I'm shocked Nicky Cooks name hasn't been mentioned yet, he is lucky to be a British champion let alone world champion.
Cook still has a bit of time on his side, & has'nt really been around long enough to be judged as the worst..
At this stage, it could be said, that he got his opportunities too soon..
He's beaten the highly touted Alex Arthur, who in my opinion has always been overrated, and has lost to 2 good fighters in Lueveno & Martinez.. In total, he's only been in with 3 world class opponents..
In fairness, it's too early to say, as he still has time to come again..
But, should this not happen, then I'm pretty sure history will judge him as one of the worst champs to briefly rain at super featherweight..

I've already said that I may have been unkind to DeWitt, but lets face it.. A close DC to blown up LM Hilton, and a loss to Benn in his 1st defense isn't anything to write home about.

Losing to Benn wasn't anything to be ashamed of. At the very least he lasted longer than Iran Barkley.

Losing to Benn wasn't anything to be ashamed of. At the very least he lasted longer than Iran Barkley.
Yes you're right, I did underrate DeWitt, but he is still one of the more unlikely to have been a success as champion..

I see you're from St Helens.. What do you think of Gary Stretch?

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Yes you're right, I did underrate DeWitt, but he is still one of the more unlikely to have been a success as champion..

I see you're from St Helens.. What do you think of Gary Stretch?

He was a modestly talented boxer who had an ego the size of a planet and remains a poser of epic proportions. He's infamous in St. Helens for walking into a local kebab shop, jumping the queue and then getting put on his ass by a member of the Saints rugby team.

I couldn't believe my ears when he popped up in Oliver Stone's "Alexander". I wasn't watching the screen at the time he was introduced as Cleitus. Then I suddenly hear the broadest St. Helens accent you can imagine. It was surreal.

He was a modestly talented boxer who had an ego the size of a planet and remains a poser of epic proportions. He's infamous in St. Helens for walking into a local kebab shop, jumping the queue and then getting put on his ass by a member of the Saints rugby team.

I couldn't believe my ears when he popped up in Oliver Stone's "Alexander". I wasn't watching the screen at the time he was introduced as Cleitus. Then I suddenly hear the broadest St. Helens accent you can imagine. It was surreal.
He's filming out here in Thailand, playing a tough guy role in a David Winters movie.. I've met him on more than one occasion, and didn't like him, in fact, I don't know anyone that does like him.. He's off his tits, & acting the playboy most of the time, and has been in all sorts of trouble, mainly because of his treatment towards women and bullying of people in bars.. He was recently thrown out of his accomodation, and heavilly fined by police.. His 'minder' has since quit, sighting that he can no longer work with him..
LOL, recently there was a reinaction of the kebab shop episode..
About 2 weeks ago, he got a beating from a tourist, after he molested his girlfriend..

He's filming out here in Thailand, playing a tough guy role in a David Winters movie.. I've met him on more than one occasion, and didn't like him, in fact, I don't know anyone that does like him.. He's off his tits, & acting the playboy most of the time, and has been in all sorts of trouble, mainly because of his treatment towards women and bullying of people in bars.. He was recently thrown out of his accomodation, and heavilly fined by police.. His 'minder' has since quit, sighting that he can no longer work with him..
LOL, recently there was a reinaction of the kebab shop episode..
About 2 weeks ago, he got a beating from a tourist, after he molested his girlfriend..

He was insufferable when he was nothing more than a local hero. Now that he's in the movies his ego must be off the scale.

Molested his girlfriend? Classy.