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Dynamite Kid

10-27-2009, 09:16 PM

DLH threw more & landed more statistically but lost.

DLH

Landed 221
threw 616
36%

Mosley

Landed 127
496
26%

ROUND 1, DLH

DLH used the jab controlled the pace and landed a few right hands, Mosley scored well to the body he also landed a left hook but he was little more inactive than DLH whom dedicated & controlled the pace

ROUND 2, DLH

DLH was more active, he landed the jab consistently and landed the inside right hand in the clinch, Mosley was inactive & missed a lot, DLH dictated the pace again & landed the better counter shots inside Mosley's attacks.

ROUND 3, DLH, Lederman gave this to Shane, which is plausible to.

Better round for Shane but i still gave it to Oscar because he was a little more active, Mosley landed a few shots but was way to inactive imo, DLH continued to dictate the pace with the jab.

ROUND 4, MOSLEY

I thought Mosley got his own jab going in this round, he made DLH miss more by slipping a lot better than he had previously, he also landed some body shots, he was the aggressor throughout this round, that said it was still very close where DLH scored well to and could of taken it but i gave it to Shane because the 3rd round was so close that Shane could of gotten that.

ROUND 5, DLH

DLH scored his best punches in this round imo, he stopped using the jab but he landed the better punches right at the beginning and towards the end.

ROUND 6, DLH

Good round for DLH, Mosley only landed one right hand, DLH countered well inside of Shane's attacks, he also landed a couple of right hands.

round 7, DLH

DLH again countering better inside Mosley's attacks, he landed two solid left hands, he had the better of the exchanges imo, if he did not have the last say he scored the better punches.

ROUND 8, DLH, Lederman gave this to Shane, which is plausible to.

DLH landed the better counter punches for me, Mosley only really effective to the body, he was not that! effective either imo, he forced the pace but missed a lot and was not landing effectively, Oscar landed some nice right hands. I could see this round for Mosley to though so no biggy.

ROUND 9, Mosley

Mosley was more aggressive, he put more pressure on, he landed some solid shots, whilst DLH seemed to fade, he did land some counter shots himself though, compubox said DLH threw more punches in this round.

ROUND 1O, Shane although hard to score.

Hard to score but i gave it to Shane because he hurt DLH with a left hook to the belly, that made DLH wince imo, he also landed some solid left hooks, DLH rallied towards the end so it could of gone either way, but i went for Mosley as a sympathy round because he might have taken one of the earlier rounds where i gave DLH the benefit of the doubt, he did have a better round to anyway.

ROUND 11, DLH

Mosley's shots were not really landing that effectively, although the crowd went wild when when he did mount an attack, not much if anything really landed, DLH clearly scored the better counter punches in between his attacks if you watch closely.

ROUND 12, MOSLEY

Mosley scored the more solid shots and was more aggressive.

Story of the fight for me was that when Shane was aggressive he was not that! effective, meanwhile DLH took his foot of the gas towards the end and let him in a little, that said even when he was less active he was still scoring effective counter punches, that cant be said for Mosley when he was inactive. The thing that DLH did best here is that he used the jab well, he made Mosley take the lead and counterd effectively inside! of Mosley's attacks, that was a big part of why he won a lot of the exchanges imo, better counter punching inside Mosley's shots.

There is no waay! DLH lost that fight, even if i give Mosley the benefit of the doubt in the close rounds, he still did no better than a draw imo, he certainly did not beat DLH as far as im concerned. The first time i watched this fight i had Mosley losing but being a lot more effective late on with DLH taking most of the first 6, what surprised me was how ineffective some of Shane's work was if you actually watch it closely, he was certainly more active late but not necessarily that effective. I was surprised to see that DLH did take some of the late rounds to, DLH countering is what stood out the most imo, that won the fight for me.

8-4 DLH.

Like i said though, even if you want to give Shane the benefit of the doubt i could give him another 2 rounds to be kind, he still did not beat DLH, although i think he lost.

Stoppage

10-27-2009, 09:20 PM

116-112 for DLH

Round one was almost even but I gave it to Mosley because of the good left hook that wobbled Oscar. I gave rounds two and three to Oscar. He was doing a good job with the jab and seemed to upset Mosley with his timing.

I gave rounds four, five and six to Oscar. I found the fifth was pretty even until the last moments of the round where I felt Oscar did enough to win it. The sixth round had a lot of body punches from Oscar to win him that one, as well.

I gave rounds seven and eight to Oscar. Mosley the ninth.

I felt Oscar won the tenth round with a good flurry of punches he landed on Mosley towards the end of the round. Round eleven was pretty close with some good action from both. I felt Mosley won it. Round twelve was the best round of the fight and I gave it to Mosley.

Dynamite Kid

10-27-2009, 09:25 PM

Stoppage

10-27-2009, 09:36 PM

I just checked my score and it seems we are virtually on the same page, if you have not seen my scorecard its on the previous page if you want to check mine with yours.

Good analysis. We scored rounds 4, 10 and 11 differently but, overall, had the same score.

I agree that Mosley was too inactive. I think he was upset by Oscar's jabbing and counter-punching.

Dynamite Kid

10-27-2009, 09:41 PM

Good analysis. We scored rounds 4, 10 and 12 differently but, overall, had the same score.

I agree that Mosley was too inactive. I think he was upset by Oscar's jabbing and counter-punching.

I could easily have saw the 4th round for Shane, that was more a case of me evening it up for Shane because he could! of got a share of the 3rd where he did much better, as apose to the other rounds.

The 10th round was extremely hard to score, that really could of gone to DLH very easily, so............

In the 12th i just thought Mosley's aggression and a few harder shots he landed just took it, however i can see why you went for DLH because he did counter in between Mosley's shots to.

What should not of been in doubt was the winner, Mosley clearly lost that fight no matter how close some of rounds were.

Stoppage

10-27-2009, 09:45 PM

I could easily have saw the 4th round for Shane, that was more a case of me evening it up for Shane because he could! of got a share of the 3rd where he did much better, as apose to the other rounds.

The 10th round was extremely hard to score, that really could of gone to DLH very easily, so............

In the 12th i just thought Mosley's aggression and a few harder shots he landed just took it, however i can see why you went for DLH because he did counter in between Mosley's shots to.

What should not of been in doubt was the winner, Mosley clearly lost that fight no matter how close some of rounds were.

My bad. I meant round 11, not 12.

Dynamite Kid

10-27-2009, 09:46 PM

My bad. I meant round 11, not 12.

:lol1: No problem.

L.Ellerbe

11-08-2009, 05:43 PM

MANGLER

11-08-2009, 05:51 PM

Just over 15 yrs exactly when Foreman beat Moorer to get back the HW title. I'm watchin that fight later.

Stoppage

11-08-2009, 05:57 PM

bump !!!

id love to get this going again with 3 or 4 users if they are interested sometime during the week.....few suggestions

Leonard - Hearns II
Holmes - Spinks
Hopkins - Calzaghe
Leonard - Hagler

I'm up for it, again. I'd go with Leonard vs Hagler. Controversial match that I had trouble scoring.

L.Ellerbe

11-08-2009, 06:09 PM

yeah me 2 ..have to try get dynamite kid involved

Sergio Martinez

11-08-2009, 07:29 PM

Harry Greb vs Gene Tunney III

Stoppage

11-08-2009, 08:29 PM

Harry Greb vs Gene Tunney III

The only way we're watching that fight is if we had access to a time machine. I don't think any of Greb's fights were recorded on film.

L.Ellerbe

11-09-2009, 02:16 PM

we agree on leonard hagler

TheGreatA

11-09-2009, 02:18 PM

John L. Sullivan vs "Gentleman" Jim Corbett

TheGreatA

11-09-2009, 02:23 PM

L.Ellerbe

11-09-2009, 02:44 PM

GREAT A would you fancy watchin hagler-leonard tonight

we have 3 already up for it

TheGreatA

11-09-2009, 02:47 PM

GREAT A would you fancy watchin hagler-leonard tonight

we have 3 already up for it

Sure. :boxing:

Smokin'J

11-09-2009, 03:14 PM

I'm in, PM me how its going down.

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 04:57 PM

1 Leonard

Leonard landed a few jabs to the body and two left hooks to the head, he also landed
a right hand, Hagler did not get much done apart from a couple of body shots toward end.

2 leonard

hagler did okay early he scored with a leaping left and he clubbed away to Ray's liver whilst he was tying
him up, but ray made him miss thoughout, dictated the
pace and landed the best punches toward the end of the round, he landed a couple of right hands and a
body shot to go with the other body shot he landed midway through the round.

3 leonard

Tough, tough round to score, Hagler landed a nice inside left hand early on
and he was applying lots of pressure, he had more sucess by reverting back
to lefty, however leonard answered him punch for punch in the exnchages
and towards the end hagler was just marching foward with little effect,
towards the end leonard scored some flashy flurris and landed the best punch
of the round imo, right hand left hook.

4 Leonard

Best round of the fight for Ray, he made hagler miss badly and countered effectively throughout, simple really.

5 Hagler

Hagler round for me , although still a relatively close round because hagler got nailed a few times
with at least 4 right hands and a left hook right hand that landed solidly, Leonard also nailed hagler with
a left hook as he (Leonard) was pulling out, that said Hagler was more consitsnt
and even though his shots early in this round were only short little insignificent shots he closed very well
and was nailing ray pretty good by the end, so yeah hagler for me.

6 Leonard

Close, close round, probably the closest of the fight because both fighters were very competitve, hagler was consistent
as usual and scored with the little jloting shots, be he got nailed with quite a few solid right hands throughout,
leonard closed the round out better with some nice shots, could of gone to hagler to but i felt it was pretty
tight round that leonard took just on the fact he closed it out.

7 Hagler

Easily Hagler's best round of the fight, Leonard again nailed him a few times toward the end but Hagler's
consistency and the fact he was back to nailing ray on the ropes toward the end, he closed it out and was more
consistent throught, his cleanest punches of the fight were landed here imo.

8 Hagler

I like Haglers consistency here, he used the jab very effecitvely, he went to the body once
he closed the distance behind the jab, then brough his punches up to the
head from the body, consistent throughout, although again!!
he was starting to get nailed with clean counters towards the end.

9 Hagler

Leonard started well scoring the better combos but he was starting to get nailed in the middle rounds, he tired towards
the end, Hagler was consistent again, if there was a round where leonards flash might have stole it, it coud of been this
round, he landed some good counters on hagler but Hagler's greater body of work did it for me, Tim Ryan actually
spoke in this round of how he scored it for hagler but that how the emtoion involved in the fight
could of swung it Ray's way, that said i liked Hagler here.

10 Hagler

Tough round to score because hagler was landing those consistent jolting shots throughout whilst ray landed
some lovely combos but he was a little more inconsistent, he still landed the cleanerr shots to me though.
Tim Ryan said this could of easily been score for leonard, but again i went for Hagler.

11 Leonard

He scored the better, cleaner shots throughout, Hagler was consistent but ray landed the
clean effective punches in this round.

12 hagler

I like Hagler here he was more consistent, Ray was throwing flahsy shots and had the crowd eating out his hand,
that said he did not get much done and Hagler's jolting shots throughout took this round imo.

Hagler was hit with clean shots throughout the fight, even in the rounds he won with his consistency. Its fashionable to say Ray tried to steal rounds with flashy shots, its not so much that they were flashy shots, they
were clean!!! shots that you could see landing, Hagler's shots were short jolting shots inside that were harder to see, it was as though he was pushing his punches at times.

A side note, Hagler's uppercut was very effective here, particularly when Ray was trying to hold him round the back of the head, Hagler should of started out left handed, he should of used the jab to get in then gone straight for the body not the head, he would of most likely have won the fight but he let Ray get in his head and tried to prove could Box with him.

When you watch a fight think one guy has won, well here i got the impression that Leonard had won and whilst i scored it as draw if forced i would of leaned toward Leonard due to superior, defence, footwork, cleaner punches,

L.Ellerbe

11-09-2009, 06:21 PM

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 06:29 PM

interesting scorecard in that i have it EXACTLY the same as you except i gave ray the 12th and had him 115-113 ahead

hagler threw the first 3 rounds away fighting orthodox...if he came out as usual who knows what would of happened...its 1 of those fights that sparks debate but in the midst of the debate people forget to acknowledge just how amazing SRL done to just go the distance with marvin..hagler wasnt in his prime but he was closer to his than ray was and also at his natural weight

115-113 leonard but only just

Dude as you can see from my card i tried to give Hagler the benefit of the doubt and i still cant see him doing better than draw. I have watched this fight so many times but never scored it, that said i can honestly say that everytime i have watched it i have never!! seen Hagler the winner.

Even at a draw you are leaning towards Leonard on greater ring generalship, defence, footwork, movement, combination's, clean!! punching.

I will never truly have full respect for Hagler because of the way he reacted to this loss, he acted like it was a blatant robbery, when even his most hardened fan would agree it was an extremely close fight at the very least.

Gotta say though, what heart from Leonard, tremendous heart to keep firing back when he was clearly fatigued.

L.Ellerbe

11-09-2009, 06:30 PM

id also like to add it was haglers own stubborness that cost him a rematch as well

L.Ellerbe

11-09-2009, 06:39 PM

Dude as you can see from my card i tried to give Hagler the benefit of the doubt and i still cant see him doing better than draw. I have watched this fight so many times but never scored it, that said i can honestly say that everytime i have watched it i have never!! seen Hagler the winner.

Even at a draw you are leaning towards Leonard on greater ring generalship, defence, footwork, movement, combination's, clean!! punching.

I will never truly have full respect for Hagler because of the way he reacted to this loss, he acted like it was a blatant robbery, when even his most hardened fan would agree it was an extremely close fight at the very least.

Gotta say though, what heart from Leonard, tremendous heart to keep firing back when he was clearly fatigued.

i mean certain rounds none of ray flurries landed either..i think it was at the end of the 7th he threw 7 or 8 dazzling shots but NONE landed an it was pissing hagler off..to be honest dude ive seen the fight 3 times now and each time ive before this ive not scored and just convinced myself ray won ..so im actually glad i have a clean conscience haha by actually thinking ray won as well..
Hagler i think was absolutely convinced he won..i watched the legendary nights after watchin the fight an larry merchant said hagler said he never put a pair of boxing gloves on after that fight he was so disgusted..,but i mean leonard reached out to him in the ring and said to him ''were still friends arent we'' and after ignoring him once ray said it again and hagler just replied ''its not fair'' an left the ring...WTF Hagler made it hard for himself by losing the first 3 rounds by fighting stupidly

no sympathy at all for him

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 06:45 PM

i mean certain rounds none of ray flurries landed either..i think it was at the end of the 7th he threw 7 or 8 dazzling shots but NONE landed an it was pissing hagler off..to be honest dude ive seen the fight 3 times now and each time ive before this ive not scored and just convinced myself ray won ..so im actually glad i have a clean conscience haha by actually thinking ray won as well..
Hagler i think was absolutely convinced he won..i watched the legendary nights after watchin the fight an larry merchant said hagler said he never put a pair of boxing gloves on after that fight he was so disgusted..,but i mean leonard reached out to him in the ring and said to him ''were still friends arent we'' and after ignoring him once ray said it again and hagler just replied ''its not fair'' an left the ring...WTF Hagler made it hard for himself by losing the first 3 rounds by fighting stupidly

no sympathy at all for him

Agreed

I did not score the last round for Ray because he was showboating and not getting enough done in terms of landing imo.

Its dumb to throw a blanket statement out there and try to make out that Leonard landed the flashier punches, what he actually!! did was land the clean punches, where as Hagler landed short jolting shots inside that were harder to see, Leonard also had him fighting his fight for how many rounds, he was dictating the pace of the fight early on. The biggest thing for me was how leaky Hagler's defence was, even in some of the rounds i gave him he still got nailed with clean punches.

L.Ellerbe

11-09-2009, 06:52 PM

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 07:08 PM

i agree on most points mate yeah...hagler for me was just overconfident and tried to act like he could beat ray on ray's terms by fghtin orthodox...when he realised he couldnt he was 3 rounds down aready

id love to score leonard - hearns II...1 day during the week again if you fancied it mate

Yeah just let me know when. I thought Ray lost that but i have never scored it so it will be interesting to see how a scorecard tally's up.

I also watched McCallum vs Toney tonight to score, BennyST wanted to get my take on why i thought Toney was lucky to get a draw, anyway here is my card. Toney winning 7 rounds to 5, its crazy how your interpretation can change when you actually score!! the fight.

1 McCallum ( very close)

Toney inactive not as active, McCallum dictated the pace and was consistent throughout, this was an
extremely close round, punch stats ...........35% of McCallums punches landed compared to 29% for James

2 Toney

Good round for Toney, he took it on the more solid punches landed, although mccallum seemed!
to be a little more active with the jabs.

3 McCallum
He controlled it with the jab, dictate the pace, he landed a sneaky right hand, he also landed a clipping left hook
after that.

4 McCallum

Toney scored the best punch of the round, howver
McCallum landed the jab consistently throughout to head and body
he also landed a number of right hands, some were countered by toney, some were not,
i could not give toney this round on one punch, he was too inactive here,
McCallum jabbed the belly and head throughout whilst also landing counter rights

5 McCallum

Toney landed the best punch of the round, a cracking right hand but i
cant score a round on 1 solid punch, not when McCallum landed his own
counter right hands and threw the jab consistenty to the body and head, not as
effectively as he did in other round, but toney virtually did nothing aside from that right
hand, in this round McCallum threw 356, landed 132, 37%, toney threw 320, landed 116, 36%

6 Toney

(Jab through 5 rounds..............McCallum landed the jab 93 times to Toney's 63 times)

Arguably Toneys best round, he landed quite a few solid shots in this
round, it was unlike round 4/5 where he landed one great punch but
got outworked, he still didnt do a lot here but he landed a number of those solid
shots as apose to one like in the previous two rounds.

7 Toney
Toney scored the more effective solid shots but mccallm closed well, still gave it to
Toney though. 40% each through 7 rounds

8 Toney

More solid punches scored by Toney in this round, although McCallum closed it up towards the end, still
a toney round though imo.

9 McCallum "Bill Miller to Toney " were losing this fight"

McCallum's best round in terms of solid punches landed on James

10 Toney

landed some solid shots here.

11 Toney

Landed the cleaner harder shots, McCallum again more active.

12 Toney

Clearest round of the fight.

Compubox

James Toney threw (823) landed (340) 41%

Mike McCallum threw (890) landed (343) 39%

Total jab

James Toney threw(373) landed(131) 35%

Mike McCallum threw 556 landed (211) 38%

Stoppage

11-09-2009, 07:09 PM

I gave the first three rounds to Leonard. I don't know why Hagler was trying to fight southpaw, in the first two rounds, because it's not his natural stance. In round three, Hagler went back to southpaw and he did a lot better. I still gave the round to Leonard, though.

Round four and six to Leonard. While I felt Leonard won the first two minutes of the fifth round, Hagler came on very strong in the last minute. I decided scored it even.

Round seven, eight and nine went to Hagler. Hagler seems to be getting himself back into this fight. He's also landing the more harder shots and doing the most damage.

Round ten was very close but I scored it for Hagler. I gave Leonard the eleventh. He was boxing great and landing some nice combinations. Round twelve a great round. Leonard was dancing around and got the crowd excited. I still gave it to Hagler, though, as he landed the better shots

Final score: 115-114 Leonard

L.Ellerbe

11-09-2009, 07:14 PM

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 07:15 PM

Stoppage

11-09-2009, 07:16 PM

good scorecard stopage.nice to see another vote for leonard LOL

i was reading a book called the four kings by george kimball...and in it michael katz was quoted saying that hagler also wanted people to know he was the best middleweight in the world fighting orthodox as well..which obviously didnt work out well

do u guys think a rematch would have been different ?

It's hard to say. You can make the argument that Hagler would've fought a smarter fight. You could also argue that Leonard would be in better ring shape since he's already fought since the long layoff.

It's one of those rematches the fans would've always wanted but never got.

-Dutch-

11-09-2009, 07:17 PM

I wish I had seen this thread sooner. :(

Stoppage

11-09-2009, 07:20 PM

Yeah that was an accurate scorecard imo, it virtually fell in line with what i saw.

Yeah. We scored every round the same except for the fifth. You scored it for Hagler, while I scored it even.

I agree with the other thing you said, as well. I just couldn't see Hagler winning this fight.

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 07:20 PM

I wish I had seen this thread sooner. :(

:lol1: Keep your ear to the ground we can do it again soon. I might watch the second James Toney vs McCallum fight in a bit. I thought McCallum won that fight so i want to see how it goes when i score it, dont know if your interested in watching that, or if have the fight.

L.Ellerbe

11-09-2009, 07:20 PM

leonard hearns 2 tomorrow possibly mate :popcorn:

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 07:23 PM

Yeah. We scored every round the same except for the fifth. You scored it for Hagler, while I scored it even.

I agree with the other thing you said, as well. I just couldn't see Hagler winning this fight.

Is that the round where Dundee said you blew that round, your trying to load up?

Yeah thought that was a round Leonard until the end, that said 9 and 10 could of easily swung Ray's way as Tim Ryan pointed out.

-Dutch-

11-09-2009, 07:23 PM

:lol1: Keep your ear to the ground we can do it again soon. I might watch the second James Toney vs McCallum fight in a bit. I thought McCallum won that fight so i want to see how it goes when i score it, dont know if your interested in watching that, or if have the fight.

I don't have that fight, and could only find the third fight in the video section. What else you interested in?

leonard hearns 2 tomorrow possibly mate :popcorn:

I'm working tomorrow night. :grumpy:

L.Ellerbe

11-09-2009, 07:25 PM

hows about jermain taylor winky wright ?????

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 07:27 PM

I don't have that fight, and could only find the third fight in the video section. What else you interested in?

I'm working tomorrow night. :grumpy:

Well i really want to watch this TBH, my boy just lost the first fight when i thought he won it the first time i saw it, so i want to know for a fact that he was robbed in the second fight lol

We can do it again soon though, ask L.Ellerbe if he is interested in watching something with you.

Stoppage

11-09-2009, 07:28 PM

Heh. I'm up for another fight right now if we can agree on one.

-Dutch-

11-09-2009, 07:31 PM

I just found Toney-McCallum II on youtube.

I'll watch either that, or Winky-Taylor if you guys want.

L.Ellerbe

11-09-2009, 07:38 PM

im up for the toney mccallum rematch..beware my bias as i am a toney fan haha

wont be watchin it tonight though fellas...nearly 1 o clock in morning here !!

Stoppage

11-09-2009, 07:39 PM

Maybe another day, I guess.

L.Ellerbe

11-09-2009, 07:50 PM

i was actually just lookin at Mike McCallums record a minute ago

i did not realise him an toney had a 3rd fight...shocked me that

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 08:25 PM

i was actually just lookin at Mike McCallums record a minute ago

i did not realise him an toney had a 3rd fight...shocked me that

Toney lost this rematch, just got done scoring it will post card in a min.

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 08:40 PM

1 Toney

He landed the cleaner blows and for a change he was more active than he was
in some of the rounds of the first fight.

2 Mccallum ( Toney landed 32, threw 118, 27 %, McCallum landed 45, thew 127, 35%

Toney started well but faded, McCallum controlled the action
from there on in by landing consistnetly with the jab, body shots
and a nice left hook.

3 Toney
Good solid round for Toney, he was fairly consistent with his
workrate.

4 Toney
Landed the better, more solid shots, McCallum closed well but not enough
for me.

5 McCallum

Both landed good shots but more so McCallum, he landed more consistently
throughout the round, his jab was consistent also.

6 McCallum

Toney was too inactive, McCallum dictated the action with his
jab and scored effectively to the body.

7 McCallum (very close)

Toney was too inactive imo, although he did land some solid shots, he
was far too inactve for me, whilst McCallum was consistent with his
acttack.

Through round 7 McCallum has thrown 490 punches, landed 200
Toney has thrown nearly a 100 fewer punches and landed 75 fewer.

8 Toney ( Point deduction from McCallum, absolute BS, he did a Pernell Whitaker backhanrd in the clinch)
Toney scored some good inside right hands off the ropes, whilst rolling McCallum's shots.

9 McCallum (Toney only threw 50 punches in this round, leasted amount of punches thrown for either
fighter in either of their two fights)

Toney waay!! too inconsistent, McCallum was on top of him working away the whole
round.

(punches threw 10, Toney landed 184, threw 575, 32%
Mccallum landed 287, 704, 41%)

10 Toney

Better round for toney, more active.

11 McCallum
Consistently attacked the whole round.

McCallum has landed nearly a 100 more punches

12 mccallum
Good round for McCallum, he out landed Toney and scored well.

Toney clearly should not have won this fight imo, he got outworked throughout, he did land the harder
shots in some round but he was waay too inactive in most of the rounds.

Round 2 ( Toney landed 32, threw 118, 27 %, McCallum landed 45, thew 127, 35%)

Through round 7 McCallum has thrown 490 punches, landed 200
Toney has thrown nearly a 100 fewer punches and landed 75 fewer.

(Toney only threw 50 punches in this round, leasted amount of punches thrown for either
fighter in either of their two fights)

(punches threw 10, Toney landed 184, threw 575, 32%
Mccallum landed 287, 704, 41%)

7 rounds to 5 McCallum, Toney did not win even with Cortez's BS point deduction.

I scored the first fight for Toney tonight and i can hold my hands up and say having thought Toney got lucky the first
time i saw it having scored it he won a clear competitive fight, but no way did he win this rematch, McCallum
clearly won this imo.

-Dutch-

11-09-2009, 08:54 PM

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 09:00 PM

I'm watching it now.

How far into it are you?

Cant wait to see how you see it.:wave:

-Dutch-

11-09-2009, 09:01 PM

How far into it are you?

Cant wait to see how you see it.:wave:

Third round.

Ðemise

11-09-2009, 09:04 PM

I'll watch it tomorrow.

Unless, you're going to watch another fight tomorrow.

:lol1:

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 09:06 PM

Third round.

I'll watch it tomorrow.

Unless, you're going to watch another fight tomorrow.

:lol1:

Yeah watch it Demise.

How you got it so far Shadows ?

-Dutch-

11-09-2009, 09:07 PM

Yeah watch it Demise.

How you got it so far Shadows ?

I have it 2-1 Toney, but I thought the second was a 'swing' round, so 3-0 Toney is reasonable IMO.

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 09:30 PM

I have it 2-1 Toney, but I thought the second was a 'swing' round, so 3-0 Toney is reasonable IMO.

How you got it now Shadows.

-Dutch-

11-09-2009, 09:32 PM

How you got it now Shadows.

3-3.

Very cagey.

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 09:34 PM

3-3.

Very cagey.

......Indeed.

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 09:53 PM

Update Shadows?

-Dutch-

11-09-2009, 09:54 PM

Update Shadows?

I'm going into the 10th, and I have Toney 5-4.

I have three possible 'swing' rounds though.

Dynamite Kid

11-09-2009, 10:13 PM

finished yet Shadows?

-Dutch-

11-09-2009, 10:33 PM

Just finished watching McCallum-Toney II. This is how I scored it:

1. Toney, 10-9
Toney takes it on his activity and aggression.

2. McCallum, 10-9
This was a close round with both guys having a good stretch. I gave it to McCallum based upon his jab and body work.

3. Toney, 10-9
Toney controlled the round with his jab, and was picking off a lot of shots in the process. McCallum landed one nice combination of note.

4. Toney, 10-9
Not much really happened, a cagey round. McCallum landed a nice flurry, but Toney landed the harder shots during the round, most notably, a good right hand with a minute left (if I remember correctly :lol1:).

5. McCallum, 10-9
McCallum controlled the tempo and distance with his jab. Toney landed a nice uppercut and right hand, but was too inactive for me.

6. McCallum, 10-9
McCallum dictated the round again with his jab. He's also slipped and picked off a lot of shots. Toney is too apprehensive and is really only throwing single shots.

7. Toney, 10-9
Close round. There was more fighting on the inside. Toney takes it, as he landed the harder shots.

8. Toney, 10-8
Close round. Point deduction from McCallum; kinda iffy. More fighting on the inside, with Toney doing the better work; landed some nice shots, most notably a left hook.

9. McCallum, 10-9
McCallum simply outworks Toney. To started to land some good, effective body shots.

10. McCallum, 10-9
Close round. Toney landed some nice, hard shots, but again, was fighting in spurts. McCallum was far more active and landed several good combinations to the body.

11. McCallum, 10-9
McCallum looks tired, but still outlanded and outworked Toney.

12. McCallum, 10-9
McCallum controlled the round and scored points. Toney was way too inactive.

114-113 McCallum, 7-5 with the point deduction.

All in all, it was a close and cagey fight that I thought McCallum won simply on outworking Toney, who only fought in spurts. Hell, during the championship rounds, McCallum looked tired but was doing the better work. I was just waiting for Toney to step on the gas.

However, there were a three close rounds IMO, so I think it's reasonable that Toney could've gotten the nod--but no way by scores of 117-11 or 118-110.

EDIT: Sorry for keeping you up all night, seeing as you're across the pond.

Dynamite Kid

11-10-2009, 06:29 AM

Dynamite Kid

11-10-2009, 08:13 AM

Would you guys be interested in scoring Castillo vs Mayweather 1?

JCO

11-10-2009, 08:23 AM

I would be interested in partcipating.

Dynamite Kid

11-10-2009, 08:33 AM

I would be interested in partcipating.

Cool, hopefully we can get a few more posters to watch this to.

-Dutch-

11-10-2009, 10:04 AM

Dynamite Kid

11-10-2009, 11:09 AM

Yeah man, I really am sorry about keeping you up. I was watching the 11th round, and was like, fukk, it's past 3 AM where he is. :lol1:

I've got no problem with Castillo-Mayweather I. I had Castillo up by four last time, so it'd be interedting to score again.

I also haven't scored these in a while, or have yet to score them:

Eubank-Benn II
Eubank-Watson I
Barrera-Morales I (this is for you, DK )
Holyfield-Qawi I

I tried to hang on as long as i could but i thought damn! i gotta get to bed, only got to see your post this morning but its looks pretty accurate to me. Toney did land cleaner punches but McCallum was also landing consistently throughout, its like the Valuev vs Haye fight, even though Haye was fairly inactive so was Valuev, only Haye was landing clean shots and Valuev was not really connecting very often at all, if Toney had been relatively inactive but landing the better shots like Haye and McCallum was like Valuev, IE also relatively inactive and landing very little then i can see why Toney won, but McCallum clearly outworked him throughout.

Okay then Castillo v Mayweather is on for tonight :boxing:

And!! Barrera vs Morales if we have the stamina for it lol

Ha Ha cheers Shadows, MAB wins 13 rounds to zero:439:

BTW my card for Haye vs Valuev

1 Haye

Haye landed a few jabs to the belly and a right hook behind the elbow, Valuev
missed most of the jabs he attempted.

2 Haye

He landed the two best punches of the round, a right hand and
a left hook right hand, Valuev landed to the chest with the jab but not enough imo.

3 Haye
Haye clearly landed the cleaner punches.

4 Valuev

Valuev was more active, he landed with left hook whilst haye was pulling
out, he also landed short right, he used the jab consistently, hayes combos
missed for the most part.

5 Haye

Close round where Haye landed jabs to the belly, Valuev also landed
jabs to the chest but in the middle of round Haye scored a combo,
Valuev landed a combo towards the end to even it up again, but Haye landed
a clipping shot right at the end to take the round imo, close though.

6 Valuev

Valuev did better here, he landed the jab throughout the round to body and head, he
also landed a nice left hook early, he landed some liver shots to. Haye landed one
clean left hook but a lot of his raids were blocked.

7 Valuev

Hardest round to score so far, Haye landed some shots but was way too
inactive, Valuev landed some jabs and countered haye's right had counter
once in the round, he also landed jabs to the body and head, Haye tried a combo
at the end but virtually missed all.

8 Haye
Very inactive round for both, that said Haye closed it out with the
cleaner shots in the last min or so.

9 Haye
Haye landed 3 clean right hands here.

10 Haye
Haye landed the cleaner work for me, he landed an inside left hook, right
hook to the body and another cuffing right hand toward the end, Watt & Dark scored
it for valuev, but i dont know why.

11 Valuev
I thought Haye was too inactive here, meanwhile Valuev was not that effective
either but he was consistent and i was looking for a sympathy round for him anyway.

12 Haye
He landed the cleaner shots and wobbled Valuev, Valuev caught him on
the tail end of a left hook but that is the only punch i can remember him
landing.

-Dutch-

11-10-2009, 03:32 PM

I tried to hang on as long as i could but i thought damn! i gotta get to bed, only got to see your post this morning but its looks pretty accurate to me. Toney did land cleaner punches but McCallum was also landing consistently throughout, its like the Valuev vs Haye fight, even though Haye was fairly inactive so was Valuev, only Haye was landing clean shots and Valuev was not really connecting very often at all, if Toney had been relatively inactive but landing the better shots like Haye and McCallum was like Valuev, IE also relatively inactive and landing very little then i can see why Toney won, but McCallum clearly outworked him throughout.

Okay then Castillo v Mayweather is on for tonight :boxing:

And!! Barrera vs Morales if we have the stamina for it lol

Ha Ha cheers Shadows, MAB wins 13 rounds to zero:439:

BTW my card for Haye vs Valuev

1 Haye

Haye landed a few jabs to the belly and a right hook behind the elbow, Valuev
missed most of the jabs he attempted.

2 Haye

He landed the two best punches of the round, a right hand and
a left hook right hand, Valuev landed to the chest with the jab but not enough imo.

3 Haye
Haye clearly landed the cleaner punches.

4 Valuev

Valuev was more active, he landed with left hook whilst haye was pulling
out, he also landed short right, he used the jab consistently, hayes combos
missed for the most part.

5 Haye

Close round where Haye landed jabs to the belly, Valuev also landed
jabs to the chest but in the middle of round Haye scored a combo,
Valuev landed a combo towards the end to even it up again, but Haye landed
a clipping shot right at the end to take the round imo, close though.

6 Valuev

Valuev did better here, he landed the jab throughout the round to body and head, he
also landed a nice left hook early, he landed some liver shots to. Haye landed one
clean left hook but a lot of his raids were blocked.

7 Valuev

Hardest round to score so far, Haye landed some shots but was way too
inactive, Valuev landed some jabs and countered haye's right had counter
once in the round, he also landed jabs to the body and head, Haye tried a combo
at the end but virtually missed all.

8 Haye
Very inactive round for both, that said Haye closed it out with the
cleaner shots in the last min or so.

9 Haye
Haye landed 3 clean right hands here.

10 Haye
Haye landed the cleaner work for me, he landed an inside left hook, right
hook to the body and another cuffing right hand toward the end, Watt & Dark scored
it for valuev, but i dont know why.

11 Valuev
I thought Haye was too inactive here, meanwhile Valuev was not that effective
either but he was consistent and i was looking for a sympathy round for him anyway.

12 Haye
He landed the cleaner shots and wobbled Valuev, Valuev caught him on
the tail end of a left hook but that is the only punch i can remember him
landing.

It was a close fight, and I could see either guy getting it, but the scores for Toney were very, very wide.

Yeah, Toney just seemed apprehensive and fought in spurts a lot during many rounds and it cost him on my card. It's a shame because his shots had more pop on them, which could be the reason he was favored by the judges. McCallum on the other hand was active throughout, jabbed, and worked the body, as you'd expect. He simply out hustled Toney.

There weren't many eye catching shots and flurries either, which makes it a bit harder to score. Both guys did a good job at picking off and slipping shots. Like you said, this was a fight between two elite, world class boxers.

Yeah, I'll watch Mayweather-Castillo I, but I have to work tonight and won't begin watching until 2:30 GMT. So if you want to watch it and post your card tonight, and I'll post my when I'm done, we can discuss in the morning.

A shutout, eh? What do you think this, Arsenal versus Scunthorpe? :lol1:

I haven't watched Haye-Valuev yet. I'm dreading it actually.

Dynamite Kid

11-10-2009, 03:53 PM

It was a close fight, and I could see either guy getting it, but the scores for Toney were very, very wide.

Yeah, Toney just seemed apprehensive and fought in spurts a lot during many rounds and it cost him on my card. It's a shame because his shots had more pop on them, which could be the reason he was favored by the judges. McCallum on the other hand was active throughout, jabbed, and worked the body, as you'd expect. He simply out hustled Toney.

There weren't many eye catching shots and flurries either, which makes it a bit harder to score. Both guys did a good job at picking off and slipping shots. Like you said, this was a fight between two elite, world class boxers.

Yeah, I'll watch Mayweather-Castillo I, but I have to work tonight and won't begin watching until 2:30 GMT. So if you want to watch it and post your card tonight, and I'll post my when I'm done, we can discuss in the morning.

A shutout, eh? What do you think this, Arsenal versus Scunthorpe? :lol1:

I haven't watched Haye-Valuev yet. I'm dreading it actually.

Agree.

Yeah i will just post mine then you can post after.

Haye vs Valuev is the worst fight ive seen since, well..........Valuev vs Holyfield.

Dynamite Kid

11-10-2009, 06:26 PM

Castillo vs Mayweather

1 Mayweather
more active, scored with the jab to the body and head throughout

2 Mayweather (very close)
Spirited rounds by Castillo but Mayweather may have just about
kept him out

3 Mayweather (Lederman scored this for Castillo on one combo by the looks of it)
He controlled the round with the jab for the most part, Castillo put a
lot of pressure on toward the end landed a left hook to the body and
a right that may have sneaked through, still like Mayweather's activity though

4 Mayweather
Mayweather's jab and counter right hands done it for me, Castillo put
pressure on again towards the end but he did not land signicently enough
thoughout the round to take it imo.

5 Castillo (Close) (Castillo landed 16, threw 40, Mayweather landed 13, threw 41)

I thought he out huscled Mayweather in this round and landed some good shots towards the end. Castillo
seemed to land the harder shots to

6 Castillo ( Castillo landed 24 punches in the round doubling PBF's output in that round, he
scored 19 out of 29 power shots in the round)
Easilly Castillo's best round, he also landed the best punch of the round, a hard right hand.

7 Castillo (75 power shots to only 30 for PBF, Castillo threw more than twice as many)
bigger round for Castillo, Floyd got nailed quite a few times with some solid shots in this round

8 Mayweather (10/8 round)
Mayweather beat Castillo to the punch and was more active throughout, Castillo had a point
taken for hitting on the break,

9 Castillo

I thought Castillo outhuscled Mayweather in this round and landed some hooks to the body and
busted him with double right hands, he put on lots of pressure in this round, they exchanged counter
right hands early and Castillo had the last say in the exchange.

10 Castillo (10/8)
Castillo landed some hard shots particularly to the body, he succeeded in breaking Mayweather's rythm.

11 Castillo (Very close round) Castillo, 35 out of 68, Mayweather 20 out of 50
I thought Castillo closed better although they went punch for punch inside

12 Castillo
more active landed good shots to.

Tough tough fight to score. One thing Castillo like Sosa, Chavez succeeded
in against Mayweather is, they broke up Mayweather's rythm, only Castillo landed a number of solid
shots on Mayweather unlike Sosa, Chavez. I thought Castillo won but if a couple of the rounds swung
to Mayweather then i can see that, but i cant say i think he won the fight, he was not effective enough
to have won the fight imo, Castillo was on his ass the entire fight after the 4th round and was landing
the harder shots.

Castillo landed 203, threw 506, 40%

Mayweather landed 157, threw 448, 35%

Power punches

Castillo landed 173, threw 377, 46%

Mayweather landed 66, threw 151, 44%

-Dutch-

11-11-2009, 12:36 AM

Dynamite Kid

11-11-2009, 06:19 AM

Castillo-Mayweather I

1. Mayweather, 10-9
Myaweather controls the round with his jab and left hooks.

2. Mayweather, 10-9
Close round. Myaweather landed the cleaner shots over the course of the round. Castillo was more active and was more successful in pushing Mayweather back, but it wasn't enough for me.

3. Mayweather, 10-9
Mayweather landed cleans jabs to the body, along with a few nice counter shots. Castillo had a good last round, as he began to pressure more.

4. Mayweather, 10-9
Mayweather did the same as last round; jabs to the body and counter shots.

5. Castillo, 10-9
Close round. Both guys have good portions of the round, but Castillo nicked it down the stretch.

6. Castillo, 10-9
Castillo backed up Floyd more and more, and landed some nice right hands and body shots in the process.

7. Castillo, 10-9
Castillo's best round. Pressured the entire round, and made Mayweather uncomfortable. Castillo landed three nice left hooks, along with two good right hands.

8. Even, 9-9
Close round. Castillo landed hard body shots, and Mayweather was too inactive for me. Point deducted from Castillo.

9. Castillo, 10-9
Nice exchange at the start, both guys landed nice right hands. Castillo pressured and worked the body well. Mayweather threw few and far between.

10. Castillo, 10-8
Mayweather started well, but faded quickly. Castillo landed well over the rest of the round. Point deducted from Mayweather.

11. Castillo, 10-9
Close round. A lot of fighting on the inside. Both landed their share of shots on the inside, but Castillo's have a bit more on them.

12. Castillo, 10-9
Castillo far more active, and Floyd fought in spurts again.

That's how I scored it. It may seem a bit wide, but there were three or four close rounds where you could certainly make the case for Mayweather.

I thought Castillo won it on his pressure, activity, and the fact that his shots seemed harder. Mayweather was way too inactive for me in many of the rounds and fought in spurts. I really think had he not hurt his right hand, he would have won on my card.

It's funny, this fight was similar in some ways to Toney-McCallum II.

Thanks for posting this Shadows.

It was an extremely hard fight to score because in some of the late rounds Mayweather tried to steal rounds with single shots for like half a min of the round, whilst Castillo dictated the pace and put hella pressure on him some
rounds, he clearly succeeded in breaking Mayweather's rhythm up for me.

I found it difficult to see whether Castillo was landing clean at times, did you have that problem to?

I agree, you could of made an argument for Mayweather and scored the fight a draw, or had Mayweather just edging it by one round, that said i think Castillo implemented what he wanted to do better than what Mayweather did, he dictated the pace and landed the harder shots, so i tend to think he deserved the benefit of the doubt in the fight and in most of those closer rounds. Castillo did no worse than a draw, Mayweather did no better than a draw imo. It was a tough fight to score though.

-Dutch-

11-11-2009, 12:20 PM

Thanks for posting this Shadows.

It was an extremely hard fight to score because in some of the late rounds Mayweather tried to steal rounds with single shots for like half a min of the round, whilst Castillo dictated the pace and put hella pressure on him some
rounds, he clearly succeeded in breaking Mayweather's rhythm up for me.

I found it difficult to see whether Castillo was landing clean at times, did you have that problem to?

I agree, you could of made an argument for Mayweather and scored the fight a draw, or had Mayweather just edging it by one round, that said i think Castillo implemented what he wanted to do better than what Mayweather did, he dictated the pace and landed the harder shots, so i tend to think he deserved the benefit of the doubt in the fight and in most of those closer rounds. Castillo did no worse than a draw, Mayweather did no better than a draw imo. It was a tough fight to score though.

I definitely thought Mayweather had an injured hand, and was trying to basically have a good 30-45 seconds at the start and end, with a little in the middle. I mean when you look at the fight, during the latter rounds, he throws mainly left hooks and jabs.

Meanwhile, Castillo was pressuring, making Floyd uncomfortable, and throwing and landing more in my eyes.

I didn't really have a problem telling if Castillo was landing or not. I watched the fight on youtube (I'm running out of space on my hard drive and need to burn my fights onto a DVD) and it was a good quality, how was the quality of the video you watched? I just pay a little extra attention when watching Mayweather as he's so adept at rolling the shots and catching them with his shoulder and he keeps his right high to block left hooks. Sometimes it can be hard to tell if shots are landing on him or not if you're not paying very close attention.

All in all I think you're right. It was a fight that I thought Castillo won, but you can certainly make a case for a close points win for Mayweather.

So what's on for tonight? :boxing:

Dynamite Kid

11-11-2009, 01:21 PM

I definitely thought Mayweather had an injured hand, and was trying to basically have a good 30-45 seconds at the start and end, with a little in the middle. I mean when you look at the fight, during the latter rounds, he throws mainly left hooks and jabs.

Meanwhile, Castillo was pressuring, making Floyd uncomfortable, and throwing and landing more in my eyes.

I didn't really have a problem telling if Castillo was landing or not. I watched the fight on youtube (I'm running out of space on my hard drive and need to burn my fights onto a DVD) and it was a good quality, how was the quality of the video you watched? I just pay a little extra attention when watching Mayweather as he's so adept at rolling the shots and catching them with his shoulder and he keeps his right high to block left hooks. Sometimes it can be hard to tell if shots are landing on him or not if you're not paying very close attention.

All in all I think you're right. It was a fight that I thought Castillo won, but you can certainly make a case for a close points win for Mayweather.

So what's on for tonight? :boxing:

the video you watched? I just pay a little extra attention when watching Mayweather as he's so adept at rolling the shots and catching them with his shoulder and he keeps his right high to block left hooks. Sometimes it can be hard to tell if shots are landing on him or not if you're not paying very close attention.

All in all I think you're right. It was a fight that I thought Castillo won, but you can certainly make a case for a close points win for Mayweather.

So what's on for tonight? :boxing:[/QUOTE]

I seem to remember him complaining to Roger in round 1 or 2 about his shoulder, id say its conceivable that he had a hand or shoulder injury, so yeah.

I watched a low avi version of it but i seemed to score the fight the same as you so i must of have been given him the credit he was due. I guess what i mean is there were times when he(Castillo) and Mayweather exchanged punches but he landed counters himself in those exchanges, do you remember in one round where Lampley spoke of a nice right hand that Floyd landed on Castillo? but if you actually watch closely it was Castillo that landed a nice right hand on Mayweather.

How about we take a couple of fights off your list, start with MAB vs Morales fight then pick another from the ones you listed, i cant remember which page you listed them on so let me know what the others were.:boxing:

-Dutch-

11-11-2009, 01:39 PM

the video you watched? I just pay a little extra attention when watching Mayweather as he's so adept at rolling the shots and catching them with his shoulder and he keeps his right high to block left hooks. Sometimes it can be hard to tell if shots are landing on him or not if you're not paying very close attention.

All in all I think you're right. It was a fight that I thought Castillo won, but you can certainly make a case for a close points win for Mayweather.

So what's on for tonight? :boxing:

I seem to remember him complaining to Roger in round 1 or 2 about his shoulder, id say its conceivable that he had a hand or shoulder injury, so yeah.

I watched a low avi version of it but i seemed to score the fight the same as you so i must of have been given him the credit he was due. I guess what i mean is there were times when he(Castillo) and Mayweather exchanged punches but he landed counters himself in those exchanges, do you remember in one round where Lampley spoke of a nice right hand that Floyd landed on Castillo? but if you actually watch closely it was Castillo that landed a nice right hand on Mayweather.

How about we take a couple of fights off your list, start with MAB vs Morales fight then pick another from the ones you listed, i cant remember which page you listed them on so let me know what the others were.:boxing:[/QUOTE]

I don't remember that specific moment that you mentioned about the right hands. I'll have to check it out again.

Sure, MAB-Morales I is good for tonight.

I also had Holyfield-Qawi I, Benn-Eubank II, and Watson-Eubank I. I'm leaning towards Benn-Eubank II, what are your thoughts?

Dynamite Kid

11-11-2009, 02:17 PM

I seem to remember him complaining to Roger in round 1 or 2 about his shoulder, id say its conceivable that he had a hand or shoulder injury, so yeah.

I watched a low avi version of it but i seemed to score the fight the same as you so i must of have been given him the credit he was due. I guess what i mean is there were times when he(Castillo) and Mayweather exchanged punches but he landed counters himself in those exchanges, do you remember in one round where Lampley spoke of a nice right hand that Floyd landed on Castillo? but if you actually watch closely it was Castillo that landed a nice right hand on Mayweather.

How about we take a couple of fights off your list, start with MAB vs Morales fight then pick another from the ones you listed, i cant remember which page you listed them on so let me know what the others were.:boxing:

I don't remember that specific moment that you mentioned about the right hands. I'll have to check it out again.

Sure, MAB-Morales I is good for tonight.

I also had Holyfield-Qawi I, Benn-Eubank II, and Watson-Eubank I. I'm leaning towards Benn-Eubank II, what are your thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Yeah i like the sound of that, Eubank vs Benn 2, MAB vs Barrera.:boxing:

-Dutch-

11-11-2009, 02:22 PM

Yeah i like the sound of that, Eubank vs Benn 2, MAB vs Barrera.:boxing:

I just started watching Barrera-Morales I. It's nice to have no school or work. :D

-Dutch-

11-11-2009, 04:13 PM

I just finished watching Barrera-Morales I.

1. Morales, 10-9
Close round. There were several exchanges during the round and both men landed hard shots. I gave it to Morales because during the last minute or so, he controlled the tempo and slowed the pace down.

2. Barrera, 10-9
Barrera began to close the gap and find his range. He landed hard left hooks to the body and stinging right crosses throughout.

3. Morales, 10-9
Morales controlled the first two minutes of the round, but Barrera came back and forced Morales into exchanges.

4. Morales, 10-9
Barrera had a nice flurry at the end of the round, but it was not enough for me to give him the round. Morales outworked him.

5. Morales, 10-9
Great round, very close. Morales landed several hard right hands and began to swamp Barrera, which put him on the defensive. Barrera came back and landed a hard right hand and after an exchange, a left hook. Morales looked wobbled by the hook, but I gave him the round because IMO, Morales did the better work throughout.

6. Barrera, 10-9
Close round. A pretty uneventful round considering the fight. Barrera takes it as he landed several clean, hard body shots.

7. Barrera, 10-9
Both men went to work on the inside, and both landed hard shots. Barrera takes the round due to the nice combinations he landed while Morales was on the ropes.

8. Barrera, 10-9
Close round. Barrera picked off more shots and landed the harder one too. Both guys landed during an exchange at the end.

9. Morales, 10-9
Another great, very close round. Barrera started well with hard shots that forced Morales to the ropes, but he faded quickly. Morales took over and controlled the majority of the round by jabbing and landing several hard right hands. Morales managed to cut the welt under Barrera's left eye during the round. At the end of the round, Barrera caught Morales lunging with his right hand, and landed a nice three punch counter that hurt Morales. Morales went to the ropes, and both men landed punches during the exchange that followed.

10. Morales, 10-9
Barrera came on strong during the round, but Morales landed hard right hands throughout.

11. Barrera, 10-9
Barrera managed to cut Morales, though it was nothing big. Barrera won the round by landing hard body shots and nice right hands.

12. Barrera, 10-8
There wasn't much in this round, until Barrera landed to hard left hooks that stunned Morales. Morales was "knocked down".

6-6, 114-113 Barrera with the knock down.

Obviously, a great fight. I don't think much has to be said about that.

So this is my fourth time watching this fight, but only the first I've ever scored it. It should've been a draw on my card, but the ref botched the "knock down" call. There were several close rounds, and a case can be made for either guy IMO.

Morales threw more, but had less sting on his shots. Barrera was more selective, but carried the power, as evidenced by the fact he hurt Morales more than Morales hurt him. I thought when ever it got to the inside, Barrera was better and was much better going down to the body.

I thought Morales traded too much and didn't jab and move enough, but part of that was because Barrera did a good job at talking and cutting off the ring.

Dynamite Kid

11-11-2009, 04:24 PM

The Bay Bomber

11-11-2009, 04:59 PM

crap forgot about this thread

-Dutch-

11-11-2009, 05:36 PM

Shadows thanks a lot for you card my man. I will try to watch it tonight its just im a bit drunk at the moment due to my girl getting the beers in.:boxing:

If im not crosseyed by midnight i will try and watch it.

You got it. :boxing:

crap forgot about this thread

We're watching Barrera-Morales I. Score it and post your card if you'd like.

The Bay Bomber

11-11-2009, 05:55 PM

You got it. :boxing:

We're watching Barrera-Morales I. Score it and post your card if you'd like.

K I'll try to watch it tonight

Richie-G

11-13-2009, 05:06 PM

good idea for a thread we should keep this going, i would be interested in joining in............... anyone got any fights we could watch tonight?

Stoppage

11-15-2009, 09:24 AM

Anyone up for a fight, tonight?

-Dutch-

11-16-2009, 07:53 PM

Anyone up for a fight?

Richie-G

11-17-2009, 11:07 AM

yes! anyone got any in mind??

Cotto-Rulez

11-17-2009, 11:25 AM

Right now we can all watch Ruiz VS Tua, then i have Floyd Mayweather VS Chop Chop Corley.

Stoppage

11-18-2009, 11:18 AM

We gotta watch a fight, tonight.

-Dutch-

11-18-2009, 11:40 AM

We gotta watch a fight, tonight.

Definitely.

Got any ideas?

Richie-G

11-18-2009, 11:55 AM

im good for
dont mind what fight will watch any one

-Dutch-

11-18-2009, 12:07 PM

I'll throw some fights out there;

Holyfield-Qawi I
Moreno-Sidorenko II
Watson-Eubank I
Wright-Taylor
Benn-Eubank II
Spinks-Holmes I or II
Vazquez-Marquez III
Calderon-Cazares I

I'm sure the most of us have seen these fights and scored them, but I think it'd be interesting to see one another's cards and opinions.

Richie-G

11-18-2009, 12:20 PM

vazquez marquez 3??

Richie-G

11-18-2009, 12:21 PM

also im downloading whitaker- hurtado if anyone fancies it

Stoppage

11-18-2009, 12:24 PM

-Dutch-

11-18-2009, 12:28 PM

vazquez marquez 3??

Yeah man, it was a close fight.

I wasn't around here when the fight happened, so I don't know who other posters thought won. :lol1:

-Dutch-

11-18-2009, 12:31 PM

I'm up for any of the ones bolded. I actually haven't seen the Wright vs Taylor fight, yet.

Cool.

If you haven't seen Wright-Taylor, I'll watch it. I have scored it once and got 114-114.

Stoppage

11-18-2009, 12:31 PM

I'll watch Vazquez-Marquez III. Let me know, if you guys agree.

-Dutch-

11-18-2009, 12:35 PM

I'll watch Vazquez-Marquez III. Let me know, if you guys agree.

Watch the fight of the decade?
Sure, count me in. :)

Richie-G

11-18-2009, 12:35 PM

Yeah I'm watching Vazquez Marquez now.

Stoppage

11-18-2009, 12:37 PM

Alright. I'll start watching it.

-Dutch-

11-18-2009, 12:39 PM

I'm in class right now, so I'll watch it when I get home. :lol1:

Richie-G

11-18-2009, 12:45 PM

lol, just finished round one, gave it to marquez. this is my first time watching this fight, great start to it.

Stoppage

11-18-2009, 01:50 PM

I had Marquez winning by 113-112.

I gave Marquez rounds one to three, because he was beating Vazquez to the punch. He was landing solid jabs and good left hooks to the body.

I scored round four a 10-8 round for Marquez, because of the knockdown. Vazquez looked a lot better in rounds five and six and did enough, in my opinion, to win the rounds. It was his overhand rights that really stood out.

Round seven was close but I had Marquez winning it. Vazquez came on strong in the first half but Marquez turned it around in the second half. I gave round eight to Vazquez because he landed the best punches. Mostly his rights. Round nine to Marquez.

I had Marquez winning tenth round but had to score it 9-9 because of the point deduction. Round eleven was very close but I scored it for Vazquez because he was more active. Round twelve was the best round for Vazquez. It's amazing how he knocked him down at the very end of the round.

Overall, it was a great fight. I liked Vazquez' comeback but he just couldn't put enough in the bag to win it, in my opinion. Of course, that's different from how the official judges scored it.

-Dutch-

11-18-2009, 06:57 PM

I'm going into round two.

Dynamite Kid

11-18-2009, 07:40 PM

Round 1 Marquez

Clear round for Marquez until Vasquez started to get inside and hurt him
with an uppercut, still gave the round to rafa because he dictated the pace
scored the jab throughout, he also landed a couple of hooks to the head, and landed to the
body to.

Round 2 Marquez

Vasquez came out purposful but did not score that many clean shots,
Rafa scored the jab throughout and dictated the pace, Vasquez as was the case in
the 1st round rocked Rafa towards the end but did not do enough to take
the round imo

Round 3 Vasquez

More spirited round by Vasquez but he was not that effecitve landing
clean and he let rafa dictate the pace with the jab, he keeps walking into
the jab does Vasquez, if were to give Vasquez a round so far i could stretch
to this one, originally scored this round for Rafa but went
back and watched it again because i felt i had given Rafa the benfit of the doubt too
much in some close round. I thought Vasquez pinched the round on second view.

Round 4 Marquez 10/8, Terrific round!

Vasquez started okay, he got the jab going slipped shots
better in this round, but by the end he was back to eating the jab and got dropped.

Round 5 Marquez

Better round for Vasquez but he still let Marquez dictate the pace and
was kept in his place for the most part, could of gone to Vasquez, although i thought
Marquez scored the more clean, hard shots.

Round 6 Vasquez

Being kind to Vasquez here, athough he did come on strong towards the end,Marquez
had a good round untill the last half of the round, he looks tired imo

Round 7 Marquez
Vasquez was on his way to winning it but he still caught a lot
of clean hard counters, particulary towards the end where i thought
Marquez pulled the round back around, very well cound of gone
to Vasquez though

Round 8 Vasquez
Good round for Vasquez, Marquez answered a lot of his hard shots but
toward the end Vasquez was landing many hard, clean shots.

Round 9 Vasquez
Vasquez chipping away the whole round

Round 10 Even

I thought Marquez was winning the round but he had a point
deducted, Vasquez had the momentum but Rafa caught him with some
precise counter shots in this round.

Round 11 Vasquez

Momentum and chipping away.

Round 12 Vasquez 10/8
huge!! round for Vasquez, he was all! over rafa and scored a KD

Round 7 was very! close and could of gone to Vasquez. I just thought he caught too many
clean shots in the round, particularly towards the end.

Story of the fight for was........................Vasquez's defence lost him too many rounds, Marquez's
got tired in the mid rounds (6/7) and let Vasquez start to push him to the ropes and gain the
momentum.

I scored a draw but i would not argue if anyone thought either man won TBH, it was very close, that said
i will say that Marquez landed the cleaner shots throughout imo.

Dynamite Kid

11-18-2009, 07:43 PM

-Dutch-

11-18-2009, 07:47 PM

I'll be finished watching soon.

I had to stop halfway through. Sometimes it's an inconvenience being a dog owner.

Dynamite Kid

11-18-2009, 07:50 PM

I'll be finished watching soon.

I had to stop halfway through. Sometimes it's an inconvenience being a dog owner.

:pat: lol

Can i ask a quick question bud? how did you see round 3?

Stoppage

11-18-2009, 07:54 PM

-Dutch-

11-18-2009, 07:54 PM

:pat: lol

Can i ask a quick question bud? how did you see round 3?

I gave it to Marquez.

As per my notes: Rafael does well, landing with his jab and landing solid body shots. Vazquez is trying to counter the jab with a right hand over the top, but it's coming up a bit short. Vazquez is pressuring and getting to Marquez more, though.

Dynamite Kid

11-18-2009, 08:00 PM

Can't argue with your scoring. I think I had trouble scoring round three, since it was pretty close. A few of the rounds were close, actually.

It's amazing how much the tide shifted. It looked as if Marquez was gonna pull a shout-out early but Vazquez came back with heart. The last knockdown was a great finish.

Yeah.

When i originally watched the fight i can remember thinking to myself, Marquez getting tired is what changed the momentum of the fight, and sure enough that is the same thing that i saw this time around.

When Marquez was in centre ring and using tight little turns he was superior but when he started conceding too much ground Vasquez started come on. I just think he got tired and the body shots took their toll on him.

Dynamite Kid

11-18-2009, 08:03 PM

I gave it to Marquez.

As per my notes: Rafael does well, landing with his jab and landing solid body shots. Vazquez is trying to counter the jab with a right hand over the top, but it's coming up a bit short. Vazquez is pressuring and getting to Marquez more, though.

I originally scored to Marquez and kinda gave it as a sympathy round, if i watch it again i will probably score for Marquez again :pat:

I just felt i needed to even it up a bit.

-Dutch-

11-18-2009, 08:08 PM

I originally scored to Marquez and kinda gave it as a sympathy round, if i watch it again i will probably score for Marquez again :pat:

I just felt i needed to even it up a bit.

:lol1:

I do that too, but only if one guy has won like five or six in a row.

I only watch the round once when scoring though.

Sammy2g3

11-18-2009, 08:17 PM

Since the ww's have been so popular, lets watch:

Pac vs Marquez II
Floyd vs Castillo I
Cotto vs Clottey

All controversial fights.

-Dutch-

11-18-2009, 08:40 PM

Just finished

1. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez wins the round by landing numerous jabs, left hooks, and good body work.

2. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez controls the round with his jab and nice hooks to the body. Vazquez does get in a nice left hook and right uppercut that backs up Marquez.

3. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez does well with his jab, which Vazquez is trying to counter with a right hand over the top. Vazquez has a better round, but Marquez takes it on his jab and body work.

4. Marquez, 10-8
Vazquez gets knocked down. Marquez stuns Vazquez and knocks him down with a right hand at the end of a combination. However, Vazquez manages to wobble Marquez with two right hands over Marquez's low left. I still made it 10-8 because other than being wobbled, Marquez controlled the round.

5. Vazquez, 10-9
Vazquez is slipping more jabs and landing his own jab, getting himself on the inside. Vazquez lands a nice left hook and nice right hands ( a nice one near the bell in particular). Marquez is showing Vazquez a lot of movement, but Izzy is cutting him off.

6. Vazquez, 10-9
Swing round. Marquez starts off well, landing his jab. However, Vazquez gains momentum as the round progresses and lands several hard right hands.

7. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez lands some nice combinations down the stretch, but Vazquez won the majority of the round, slipping punches and getting to work on the inside.

8. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez fights well in spurts, and isn't jabbing as much. Vazquez takes it with his pressure and the hard right hands he lands towards the end.

9. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez looks tired. He lands some nice shots at the end, but Vazquez pretty much out works and out lands him.

10. Even, 9-9
Point deduction. Vazquez comes forwards and pressures, but Marquez lands the harder punches with several combinations. Good enough to make it an even round.

11. Vazquez, 10-9
Marquez starts and ends well, but Vazquez wins everything in between. He pressure and out works Marquez and lands some nice right hands.

12. Vazquez, 10-8
Marquez gets knocked down. All three minutes won by Vazquez. Hits marquez often with hard shots. I've watched this fight numerous times and still can't believe that Marquez wasn't stopped.

114-111 Vazquez

Dynamite Kid

11-18-2009, 08:53 PM

Stoppage

11-18-2009, 08:56 PM

-Dutch-

11-18-2009, 09:17 PM

It was close. I thought Marquez was getting worn down every round after the 6th.

Vazquez was getting hit, but I do think he has a pretty decent defense as far as pressure fighters go. It's just that Marquez is an elite fighter, so he's bound to get tagged.

A lot of the rounds I gave to Vazquez because for me, Marquez would start and end well, whereas Vazquez was consistent with his output and pressure for three minutes; Marquez looked tired and was lazy with his jab when in that in between time. It's essentially the same reason I scored McCallum over Toney in the rematch and Castillo over Mayweather in the first fight.

I also thought that over the course of the twelve rounds, Vazquez landed the more effective punches. IMO he also stunned and hurt Marquez more, but obviously that doesn't automatically win you the fight. I also thought Vazquez was more effective in ring generalship as he was cutting off the ring more and forcing Marquez to fight more.

Dynamite Kid

11-20-2009, 03:30 PM

Who is interested in scoring Pacquiao vs Marquez 2 ?

Dynamite Kid

11-20-2009, 04:46 PM

I gave Pacquiao 5 rounds and Marquez 7, however the Knockdown means i scored it a draw. Manny's left hand was his what was keeping him in this fight at times he landed it over and over in the round he was successful in.

Round 1 Pacquiao(close tactical round) Pac 12 of 49, Jmm 6 OF 43

I like Pac in the first, he was more active whilst jmm did too much
waiting for my liking, a lot of the right hands jmm tried early in the round
missed but he did land a sharp clean right on Manny mid round, Pacquiao
scored with an early right jab, he went to the body a couple of times,
dictated the tempo and landed with a good flury towards the end.

Round 2 Marquez

Thought jmm wobbling Pac at the end stole the round , he looked effective
but he was not landing that cleanly because Pac was blocking a lot of his shots
on the gloves, Manny scored some good body work early and some nice straight
lefts.

Round 3 Pacquiao 10/8
I thought Pac was winning the round anyway but the KD punctuated
the round for him and made it 10/8

Round 4 Pacquiao
He landed straight left after straight left in this round.

Round 5 Marquez

Better round for JMM he controlled the action scored to the
body a few times and got his counter punching together

Round 6 Marquez
Clear round for jmm, he dictated and controlled the pace, scored
with effective counters.

Round 7 Pacquiao (tough round to score)
Not a lot happened early, both landed in the exchanges towards the end,
Manny seemed to have the bigger say with 3 good left hands

Round 8 Marquez
Clear round for jmm, Manny gets cut and jmm is taking advantage
and going back to what he did in round 5 & 6, effective clean counter
punching

Round 9 Marquez (tough round to score)

Pacquio back to being the aggressor but JMM also landed well, he has
been landing that left hook to the body all night.

Round 10 Pacquiao
Pac landed hard left hands tim and time again in this round

Round 11 Marquez
Not much happened early but jmm was still chipping away and toward the end he was landing to

round 12 Marquez
Clear round for JMM, he countered manny throughout.

Stoppage

11-20-2009, 06:27 PM

I scored it 115-113 for Marquez. And that's very interesting because, I scored it for Pacquiao, in the previous times that I watched it.

Round one was mostly even but, I felt Marquez won it, because of the good straight right that he landed on Pacquiao. He also won the second round because of the big left hook that staggered Pacquiao. Pacquiao won the third because of the knockdown.

Both landed punches in round four but, I gave it to Pacquiao, because his were the more effective ones. The same for rounds five and six, but this time for Marquez.

I thought Pacquiao won the seventh, by a little bit. Marquez dominated the eighth round, because of the cut on Pacquiao's right eye. I scored round nine even, because it was a round that you could've given to either fighter.

Pacquiao won the tenth, because of the great left hands that he landed. Especially the one in the beginning of the round that staggered Marquez. Round eleven was a close round but I gave it to Marquez. It seemed like he landed the cleaner punches. The same for round twelve, except this time it wasn't a close round.

Stoppage

11-20-2009, 06:34 PM

Dynamite Kid

11-20-2009, 06:35 PM

-Dutch-

11-20-2009, 06:41 PM

Stoppage

11-20-2009, 06:42 PM

115-113?

Does that score include the extra point for the knockdown?

Yup. 10-8 for Marquez, in round 3. But keep in mind that Marquez only won by one round.

Dynamite Kid

11-20-2009, 06:47 PM

I just finished eating. I have to take care of the pooch and then I'll start watching.

I'll post my card, and if you guys aren't up, you can read it in the AM.

DK might go to bed early because he has to be up in time to watch the Gooners lose to the Black Cats. :lol1:

Yup. 10-8 for Marquez, in round 3. But keep in mind that Marquez only won by one round.

Piss off Shadows :lol1:

I thought you had it 115-113, isn't that by two rounds?

OMG i cant believe!! Lederman gave the final round to Pacquiao :omfg:

Stoppage

11-20-2009, 06:57 PM

Piss off Shadows :lol1:

I thought you had it 115-113, isn't that by two rounds?

OMG i cant believe!! Lederman gave the final round to Pacquiao :omfg:

No. Cause if I had Marquez winning by 115-113, and I decided to change one round that I picked for Marquez and give it to Pacquiao, it would be 114-114.

Dynamite Kid

11-20-2009, 07:03 PM

No. Cause if I had Marquez winning by 115-113, and I decided to change one round that I picked for Marquez and give it to Pacquiao, it would be 114-114.

Im confused lol

Stoppage

11-20-2009, 07:23 PM

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/5352/46311547.png

That's my scorecard.

I scored round nine even. That neutralized the two point advantage Pacquiao had because of the knockdown in round three. I still only had Marquez up by one round, in the end.

7-5 Marquez.

Dynamite Kid

11-20-2009, 07:26 PM

-Dutch-

11-20-2009, 09:20 PM

Going into round 8

Dynamite Kid

11-20-2009, 09:48 PM

Going into round 8

Look foward to your card.:boxing:

-Dutch-

11-20-2009, 09:51 PM

Look foward to your card.:boxing:

I'll have it in 10-15 mins. :boxing:

-Dutch-

11-20-2009, 10:19 PM

Just finished Pacquiao-Marquez II

1. Pacquiao, 10-9
Very tactical round. Marquez landed a very nice straight right hand, but Pacquiao landed more straight lefts, which was good enough for me.

2. Marquez, 10-9
Close round. Pacquiao lands hard left hands, but Marquez is patient. Marquez lands nice straight right hands and left hooks. Pacquiao looks stunned at the end of the round, but IMO, he was just lunging in and caught off balance. I don't think he was really wobbled, he was trying to plant his feet after being airborne. :lol1:

3. Pacquiao, 10-8
Marquez gets dropped. There wasn't much in it leading up to the knock down. Pacquiao lands his trademark left and Marquez counter punching with his right. Marquez gets caught with a counter left and is dropped. Marquez is hurt during an ensuing exchange, and his legs buckle along the ropes.

4. Pacquiao, 10-9
Pacquiao lands the hard straight left to the head, and a few to the gut. Also, sneaks in a few good right hooks. Marquez lands a nice left hook, but he seems tentative and uncomfortable as he gets puched back. I think Marquez is having trouble reading Pacquiao's upper body movement and feints.

5. Marquez, 10-9
Not much, tactical round. Pacquiao lands jabs, straight lefts, and right hooks. However, Marquez is landing hard left hooks to the head and body and countering well.

6. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez controls the tempo and ring with his accurate and effective right hand counters. Pacquiao throws a few combinations, but does very little this round.

7. Pacquiao, 10-9
Close for the first two minutes, with both men landing shots. Things heat up after an accidental headbutt. There's more exchanges and Pacquiao takes the round by landing hard straight lefts.

8. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez takes advantage of a bad Pacquiao cut and becomes more aggressive. The cut was worsened by a Marquez right hand at the start. Works the left hook to the body, straight right, and jab. Lands a really nice one-two at the end.

9. Pacquiao, 10-9
Marquez lands the left hook to the body and a few right hands. However, Pacquiao's left hands and sneaky rights are harder, which wins him the round.

10. Pacquiao, 10-9
Marquez's cut really opens up. Pacquiao lands a tremendous left to open the round, and lands many more over the course of the three minutes.

11. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez is more consistent with his output, and lands more.

12. Marquez, 10-9
Pacquiao lands some punches, but he is outworked and outlanded by Marquez.

6-6, 114-113 Pacquiao, due to the KD.

Stoppage

11-20-2009, 10:29 PM

Just finished Pacquiao-Marquez II

1. Pacquiao, 10-9
Very tactical round. Marquez landed a very nice straight right hand, but Pacquiao landed more straight lefts, which was good enough for me.

2. Marquez, 10-9
Close round. Pacquiao lands hard left hands, but Marquez is patient. Marquez lands nice straight right hands and left hooks. Pacquiao looks stunned at the end of the round, but IMO, he was just lunging in and caught off balance. I don't think he was really wobbled, he was trying to plant his feet after being airborne. :lol1:

3. Pacquiao, 10-8
Marquez gets dropped. There wasn't much in it leading up to the knock down. Pacquiao lands his trademark left and Marquez counter punching with his right. Marquez gets caught with a counter left and is dropped. Marquez is hurt during an ensuing exchange, and his legs buckle along the ropes.

4. Pacquiao, 10-9
Pacquiao lands the hard straight left to the head, and a few to the gut. Also, sneaks in a few good right hooks. Marquez lands a nice left hook, but he seems tentative and uncomfortable as he gets puched back. I think Marquez is having trouble reading Pacquiao's upper body movement and feints.

5. Marquez, 10-9
Not much, tactical round. Pacquiao lands jabs, straight lefts, and right hooks. However, Marquez is landing hard left hooks to thehead and body and countering well.

6. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez controls the tempo and ring with his accurate and effective right hand counters. Pacquiao throws a few combinations, but does very little this round.

7. Pacquiao, 10-9
Close for the first two minutes, with both men landing shots. Things heat up after an accidental headbutt. There's more exchanges and Pacquiao takes the round by landing hard straight lefts.

8. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez takes advantage of a bad Pacquiao cut and becomes more aggressive. The cut was worsened by a Marquez right hand at the start. Works the left hook to the body, straight right, and jab. Lands a really nice one-two at the end.

9. Pacquiao, 10-9
Marquez lands the left hook to the body and a few right hands. However, Pacquiao's left hands and sneaky rights are harder, which wins him the round.

10. Pacquiao, 10-9
Marquez's cut really opens up. Pacquiao lands a tremendous left to open the round, and lands many more over the course of the three minutes.

11. Marquez, 10-9
Marquez is more consistent with his output, and lands more.

12. Marquez, 10-9
Pacquiao lands some punches, but he is outworked and outlanded by Marquez.

6-6, 114-113 Pacquiao, due to the KD.

Good scoring.

I'm the only one who felt Marquez won the first round. It was pretty close to me and I could've went with Pacquiao. But I still felt Marquez edged it out.

-Dutch-

11-20-2009, 10:39 PM

Good scoring.

I'm the only one who felt Marquez won the first round. It was pretty close to me and I could've went with Pacquiao. But I still felt Marquez edged it out.

I felt it was very close fight, and can see either guy getting the nod; you can make a case for either winning seven rounds IMO, and definitely six for Pacquiao. It's kind of funny to me that people call this a robbery really.

I know the numbers show that Marquez outlanded Pacquiao, but I don't put a lot of trust into Compubox when scoring a close fight. The idea of Compubox is a bit flawed IMO, but that's a discussion for another day, lol.

This was also the first time I've watched this fight since right before Pacquiao's fight with Diaz. I must say the growth of Pacquiao is much clearer after rewatching this fight. His right hand is just that much better, his upper body movement and rhythm is better, he turns his fighters more often, and his balance has improved a lot. Will that be enough to beat Mayweather? Again, another discussion for a different day. :D

Stoppage

11-20-2009, 10:47 PM

I felt it was very close fight, and can see either guy getting the nod; you can make a case for either winning seven rounds IMO, and definitely six for Pacquiao. It's kind of funny to me that people call this a robbery really.

I know the numbers show that Marquez outlanded Pacquiao, but I don't put a lot of trust into Compubox when scoring a close fight. The idea of Compubox is a bit flawed IMO, but that's a discussion for another day, lol.

This was also the first time I've watched this fight since right before Pacquiao's fight with Diaz. I must say the growth of Pacquiao is much clearer after rewatching this fight. His right hand is just that much better, his upper body movement and rhythm is better, he turns his fighters more often, and his balance has improved a lot. Will that be enough to beat Mayweather? Again, another discussion for a different day. :D

It was definitely close. I remember scoring it for Pacquiao, the last time I watched it. Amazing how I saw things differently, this time.

I think I know what you're going at, about the compubox thing being corrupt.

Before re-watching this fight I saw his first fight with Marquez. He really became a better boxer from when the first fight happened to the second. The amazing thing about him is that he keeps on getting better.

-Dutch-

11-20-2009, 10:57 PM

It was definitely close. I remember scoring it for Pacquiao, the last time I watched it. Amazing how I saw things differently, this time.

I think I know what you're going at, about the compubox thing being corrupt.

Before re-watching this fight I saw his first fight with Marquez. He really became a better boxer from when the first fight happened to the second. The amazing thing about him is that he keeps on getting better.

Yeah, his growth has been really fun to watch. Some people nit pick about certain aspects of his style, fights, etc. but no one can deny that he'll give you your $50 worth. People should really appreciate him because he and Floyd are the two best fighters of their generation.

Yeah, compubox. It's a good punch tracker, but that's about it; that's why in close fights I don't really pay attention to it. It doesn't tell you about the effectiveness/damage of a punch, the power of a punch, etc.

BritishBoxing92

11-21-2009, 10:24 AM

Marco Antonio Barerra Vs Naseem Hamed II

Dynamite Kid

11-21-2009, 11:00 AM

I felt it was very close fight, and can see either guy getting the nod; you can make a case for either winning seven rounds IMO, and definitely six for Pacquiao. It's kind of funny to me that people call this a robbery really.

I know the numbers show that Marquez outlanded Pacquiao, but I don't put a lot of trust into Compubox when scoring a close fight. The idea of Compubox is a bit flawed IMO, but that's a discussion for another day, lol.

This was also the first time I've watched this fight since right before Pacquiao's fight with Diaz. I must say the growth of Pacquiao is much clearer after rewatching this fight. His right hand is just that much better, his upper body movement and rhythm is better, he turns his fighters more often, and his balance has improved a lot. Will that be enough to beat Mayweather? Again, another discussion for a different day. :D

Agree there. On occasion there are rounds where you perceive one guy to be the busier fighter but the compubox numbers refute that sometimes. I lost all faith in compubox after the Calzaghe/Hopkins fight.

-Dutch-

11-21-2009, 11:12 AM

Agree there. On occasion there are rounds where you perceive one guy to be the busier fighter but the compubox numbers refute that sometimes. I lost all faith in compubox after the Calzaghe/Hopkins fight.

:lol1:

Hopkins-Calzaghe has been locked away in the "Do not watch again" vault.

Like I said in another post, Compubox just counts punches, it never measure the effective of a punch, the damage caused by a pounch, the power of a punch, etc.

Hypothetically, if I'm watching Juan Diaz-Devon Alexander, and Diaz throws 75 punches, lands 20 but Alexander throws 40, lands 12 and cuts or marks up Diaz, I'm giving it to Alexander.

Dynamite Kid

11-21-2009, 11:18 AM

:lol1:

Hopkins-Calzaghe has been locked away in the "Do not watch again" vault.

Like I said in another post, Compubox just counts punches, it never measure the effective of a punch, the damage caused by a pounch, the power of a punch, etc.

Hypothetically, if I'm watching Juan Diaz-Devon Alexander, and Diaz throws 75 punches, lands 20 but Alexander throws 40, lands 12 and cuts or marks up Diaz, I'm giving it to Alexander.

Yeah i hear ya there, it fits nicely alongside Valuev vs Holyfield/Haye.

Yep, its like how Pacquiao was painting Marquez's face with hard left hands in some of those rounds.

-Dutch-

11-21-2009, 11:23 AM

Yeah i hear ya there, it fits nicely alongside Valuev vs Holyfield/Haye.

Yep, its like how Pacquiao was painting Marquez's face with hard left hands in some of those rounds.

Yeah pretty much. I notice some point to Compubox in order to justify this fight as a robbery, but when you look at the stats, Marquez landed 15 more punches, or little more than one a round.

I think Bradley-Peterson is going to be like that. It's going to be Bradley's activity vs. Peterson's 'harder' punches.

I'm starting to like Peterson in that one, btw. :)

Dynamite Kid

11-21-2009, 11:33 AM

Yeah pretty much. I notice some point to Compubox in order to justify this fight as a robbery, but when you look at the stats, Marquez landed 15 more punches, or little more than one a round.

I think Bradley-Peterson is going to be like that. It's going to be Bradley's activity vs. Peterson's 'harder' punches.

I'm starting to like Peterson in that one, btw. :)

I think Peterson will have to watch out for Bradley dictating the pace and looking!! like he is landing.

I think its a tough fight for Bradley. Peterson is going to be looking to punch shorter and straight and take advantage with his reach. Bradley has in the past shown a tendency to loop punches so...

-Dutch-

11-21-2009, 11:46 AM

I think Peterson will have to watch out for Bradley dictating the pace and looking!! like he is landing.

I think its a tough fight for Bradley. Peterson is going to be looking to punch shorter and straight and take advantage with his reach. Bradley has in the past shown a tendency to loop punches so...

I've gone back and watched the Holt fight a few times, and I think Holt had the right game plan, but was too inactive.

Bradley fought well against Campbell, but he wasn't fighting in his usual style. Against Holt, he threw wide left hooks and that can be countered by a short right hand. He also carries it a bit low, and Holt tried to counter it with right hands over the top, and when Bradley jabbed, because Timmy brings his left back low. The problem was, Holt's right hand was too choppy and not straight enough.

Bradley also squares himself up to much when he throws throws 4, 5, ,6 body punch combos. He's wide open to be countered. Holt also managed to stop him in his tracks every time he jabbed.

I need to see more of Peterson though. I've only seen two fights of his. The flip side is, He's very rhythmic, and Bradley's high pressure style can disrupt it.

BTW, Bent got lucky.

Dynamite Kid

11-21-2009, 12:04 PM

I've gone back and watched the Holt fight a few times, and I think Holt had the right game plan, but was too inactive.

Bradley fought well against Campbell, but he wasn't fighting in his usual style. Against Holt, he threw wide left hooks and that can be countered by a short right hand. He also carries it a bit low, and Holt tried to counter it with right hands over the top, and when Bradley jabbed, because Timmy brings his left back low. The problem was, Holt's right hand was too choppy and not straight enough.

Bradley also squares himself up to much when he throws throws 4, 5, ,6 body punch combos. He's wide open to be countered. Holt also managed to stop him in his tracks every time he jabbed.

I need to see more of Peterson though. I've only seen two fights of his. The flip side is, He's very rhythmic, and Bradley's high pressure style can disrupt it.

BTW, Bent got lucky.

Agree, Bradley does get very square when he gets aggressive.

I think Bradley has the style to beat Peterson because Peterson does have a tendency to cover up and against a busy fighters like Bradley he might get outworked. However i also think that Peterson can take advantage of Bradley's wide shots and his squaring himself up.

By all accounts Vanes Martirosyan beat Bradley in the amateurs, he seems like a rangey fighter to so maybe Bradley will struggle with the reach here? Peterson does have a very a good jab from what ive seen.

For some reason i expect us to lose to teams we should be beating :pat:

-Dutch-

11-22-2009, 04:53 PM

Here's my scorecard for Kessler-Ward:

1. Ward, 10-9
Ward controls the distance and tempo of the round with jabs to the head and body. Also lands lead left hooks.

2. Ward, 10-9
Both fighters jabbing a lot, but Ward takes it after he takes it to Kessler on the inside at the end of the round. Lands a nice right hand too.

3. Ward, 10-9
Ward is dictating the pace of the round and fight with his jab and coming in and out, throwing combinations. His footwork and movement is very good, and lands a nice counter right hand. Kessler looks very uncomfortable with the way the fight is going.

4. Ward, 10-9
Ward manages stun Kessler with a right hand, and lands another quality one during the round. Again, he starts going to work on the inside.

5. Kessler, 10-9
Kessler starts to up the pressure and lands his jabs. He also lands a nice left hook and good, hard right hand to the body. Ward really only lands a nice counter right hand, and starts pawing with his jab.

6. Ward, 10-9
Wars gets a little wild in this round. Ward lands nice, hard jabs and two very nice right hands. He goes back on the inside and starts taking it to Kessler. Kessler lands a few jabs and a nice left hook.

7. Ward, 10-9
Ward is jabbing to both the head and body well and is landing the right hand. Ward is tearing up Kessler on the inside, he's landing hard uppercuts. It's obvious Kessler has very little inside skills.

8. Ward, 10-9
Ward is jabbing a lot and lands hard right hands to the body and head. He goes back to work on the inside.

9. Ward, 10-9
Ward keeps pushing Kessler back. He's landing jabs and power punches. Again, he's roughing Kessler up on the inside.

10. Ward, 10-9
Ward starts to pressure Kessler, making him uncomfortable fighting off the back foot with jabs and right hands. Kessler does lands a few nice shots during an exchange half way through the round.

-Dutch-

11-25-2009, 12:38 PM

Anyone up for a scrap tonight?

Dynamite Kid

11-25-2009, 12:50 PM

Anyone up for a scrap tonight?

Yeah later though for me.

-Dutch-

11-25-2009, 01:14 PM

Yeah later though for me.

Ok, cool. I wasn't going to do one until later anyways.

Got anything in mind?

Dynamite Kid

11-25-2009, 01:51 PM

Ok, cool. I wasn't going to do one until later anyways.

Got anything in mind?

Not yet, is thinking hmmmm

Dynamite Kid

11-26-2009, 06:32 PM

Round 1 Camacho
More active, scored to the body and scored a few straight lefts to the
head, Davis looks confused with the left handed stance, he was inactive for
the most part, Camacho also scored with the jab.

Round 2 Camacho
Davis is letting Camacho get off first, Camacho is going to Davis's body well. Davis
started to workout the Southpaw stance later in the round by applyiing more
pressure but he still did too much waiting and got hit with the better punches

Round 3 Camacho
Consitent with jab, went to the body and scored two good straight left
hands, Davis is waiting too much and not applying pressure like you
must against a lefty, he is allowing Camacho to get off first

Round 4 Davis (sympathy round which i orginally scored for
Camacho)
Not much happened but i gave it to Camacho on a couple of clean jabs
and left hand towards the end. Davis could of taken this because not
much happened.

Round 5 Camacho (little closer)
More pressure by Davis but he was not that succesful landing! Camacho
went to the body hard and scored counter jabs and one straight left hand

Round 6 Camacho ( little closer)
Far too much wainting by Davis, Camacho had a quiet round but still scored
to the body, Davis tried to steal it late.

Round 7 Davis (sympathy)
Lots of pressure and pushing Camacho back

Round 8 Camacho
He controlled the round and scored to the body, he also scored the jab and straight lefts

Round 9 Camacho
He hammered Davis to the body, Davis started okay but let Camacho take
over

Round 10 Camacho
I thought he landed better to the body and Davis let him get off as per usual

I would not have given Davis any rounds but i was feeling generous as it was so one sided, Davis clearly
struggled with the Southpaw stance and its lesson that he should of learned imo. You have to apply pressure
when you Box Southpaw's, he let Camacho get off way too much and tried to Box a Southpaw, which is
the worst thing you can do because they are use to fighting your style. Camacho showed
good ring generalship and scored hard to the body all night long.

Manfredy vs Johnston. war!

Round 1 Johnston
Both scored well to the body, Johnston scored the jab and a nice straigh
left hand, they went punch 4 punch at the end it what was a close round
because Manfredy scored well to the body late in the round.

Round 2 Jonhston
getting off first, scored the jab the whole round and went to the body, he
nailed Manfredy at the bell to. Manfredy landed two hard shots but he was
largely inactive waiting.

Round 3 Johnston
best round for Johnston, he was pushing Manfredy back and throwing
throwing throwing the whole round.

Round 4 Manfredy
scored the harder shots and went to the body throughout. Johnston was
also active but he was not landin hard enough imo

Round 5 Johnston (Lederman scored this for Angel)
Manfredy landed the hard shots but Johnston was all over him, more active

Round 6 Johnston
beat Manfredy to the punch and landed well toward the end

Round 7 Johnston (extremely close round)
i thought he was a little more consistent

Round 8 Johnston (very close)
i thought he just knicked it towards the end of the round, Manfredy was
doing well but i thought Johnston closed the round out better.

Round 9 Johnston
he controlled the round and gave Manfredy lateral movment, he also
scored some nice counter straight lefts

Round 10 Johnston
outwoked Manfredy and countered him excellently with counter straight
lefts

Round 11 Johnston
Not a lot happened mid round but by the end Johnston was countering
Manfredy with ease

Round 12 Manfredy
scored hard shots down the stretch imo.

Great fight. Probably a closer fight than i scored it although Johnston
clearly was the winner. Johnston was so active throughout the whole
fight he was throwing constantly whether inside or counter with
straight left hands from range. Mandredy spent to much time on the
defence at times because of his hand high style, when Johnston backed him
up Johnston really had his way, Manfredy clearly landed the hard punches
throughout though, however he let Johnston get of first most of the fight, Johnston threw over a 1000 punches.

-Dutch-

11-26-2009, 07:53 PM

Benn-Eubank II

1. Benn, 10-9
Benn outworks and outlands Eubank.

2. Benn, 10-9
Eubank starts well, picking off Benn as he comes in. Benn starts slipping more and more shots. Benn lands left hooks and digs to the body.

3. Eubank, 10-9
Eubank boxes well. Benn is trying to bob and weave his way in, but isn't doing it behind his jab. Eubank lands his jab and a couple of nice right hands. He also lands a nice uppercut on the inside.

4. Benn, 10-9
Benn lands lead right hands over Eubanks low left. Benn lands a nice left hook that gets a rise out of the crowd because Eubank plays as if he's been hurt. Benn is getting wild, however.

5. Eubank, 10-9
The round is wild at times. Benn lays on the ropes, egging Eubank on. Eubank picks Benn off coming in, landing the better shots in the process.

6. Eubank, 10-8
Point deduction from Benn (low blows). Eubank lands his jab, a nice straight right hand, and a right uppercut. Benn is too wild--he gets in on the inside and just clinches and does no work.

7. Benn, 10-9
Close, but sloppy round. Benn outwork Eubank. Not much landed.

8. Benn, 10-9
Benn outworks Eubank in the round. Eubank has a nice little spell, but for much of the round, he is too lax.

9. Benn, 10-9
Another scrappy round. Benn works hard and lands more on the inside. Also lands a couple of nice left hooks.

10. Benn, 10-9
Eubank misses a lot. Benn pressure most of the round, lands a nice right hand and a good left hook.

11. Eubank, 10-9
Eubank has a much better round. Has a higher output than Benn, and outlands him. Benn looks tired.

12. Eubank, 10-9
Benn starts well, but fades. At a few points, Benn goes to the ropes and just lets Eubank throw. Eubank outworks hims.

7-5 Benn, 114-113 with the 1 point deduction.

mhager91490

11-26-2009, 08:09 PM

Anyone up for scoring Arguello-Olivares up to the stoppage?

-Dutch-

11-27-2009, 01:57 AM

Nobuo Nashiro v Hugo Cazares. Great fight.

1. Nashiro, 10-9
A fairly cagey first round. Nashiro is stalking and Cazares looking to box. Nashiro has a good spell and lands some right hands and a left hook.

2. Nashiro, 10-9
Nashiro is less active this round, but is landing the better shots. He's also picking off more and getting the upper hand in the exchanges.

3. Cazares, 10-9
Cazares has a good first half of the round. He backs up Nashiro with a three punch combination while on the ropes. He starts to press the action with his compinations. Nashiro looks uncomfortable on the back foot. The second goes at a much slower pace, with some exchanges thrown in.

4. Cazares, 10-9
Close round. Cazares works his jab and lands some nice counter lefts. He's looking to land his uppercut. Nashiro keeps coming forward, but isn't jabbing his way in. He does counter Cazares uppercut with a nice left hook, however.

5. Nashiro, 10-9
Cazares is more stationary this round. He's just telegraphing the uppercut now. He's throwing more jabs followed by a straight left to the body. Nashiro lands a nice left hook and is starting to go to the body more. He's starting to work his jab more, and bring the right hand behind it.

6. Nashiro, 10-9
Nashiro presses at the start with a four punch combination, landing two. Cazares is throwing lead powershots and Nashiro is countering him or blocking the shots. Nashiro lands a nice left-right counter combination at the end of the round.

7. Cazares, 10-9
Cazares does better this round. He lands a nice body shot, along with a right uppercut and left hands. He's still getting pressed though.

8. Cazares, 10-9
Close round. Nashiro lands his jab and counters. Cazares lands his uppercut, lead hooks, and right hands. Things heat up during the final minute, with Cazares pressing the action and landing more power shots.

9. Nashiro, 10-9
Nashiro pressures landing his jab, right crosses, and left to the body in the process. Cazares lands some nice lead crosses and uppercuts.

10. Nashiro, 10-9
Cazares has success early, but his shots have lost some steam and he looks tired. Nashiro is more consistent with his jab and lands his power shots. He lands a really nice right hand with around a minute to go.

11. Nashiro, 10-9
Nashiro lands his jab and several really nice, head snapping right hands. Cazares is throwing more and possibly landing more, but Nashiro is landing the better shots.

12. Nashiro, 10-9
GREAT round. Maybe round of the year. Both guys come out really hard for this one. The round starts off with both guys in heated exchanges, landing hard shots. Cazares started off better, but Nashiro catches him and rocks him hard. Cazares almost went down in the corner. The guys continue to trade, but Cazares is caught again and stunned this time. He regroups, but Nashiro takes the rest of the round.

8-4, 116-112 Nashiro