This guy is so shot and if you cant see that then there is something wrong with you. I get sick hearing Merchant and all of them saying all this good stuff about him. Joval looked horrible. Vargas is now garbage and will get KO by Hopkins, Taylor, Sturm, Tito, Winky, and Eastman. If he moves back down to 154 like he plans, then he will get KO by Ouma, Mayorga, and Forrest and would lose a easy decision to Spinks. If the top guys from 147 move up like Zab, Cintron, Margarito, Shane, and Oscer, they will all knock him out.

I said this a while ago and some agreed that he was shot and some didnt. I also said that Tito ruined him and most thought that Oscar ruined him but thats bull ****. This kid was a great fighter before and during the Tito fight. He took too much punishment in that fight, especially down the stretch. Every fight since then he has looked like ****. Even the fights before Oscar he was looking bad and every fight he looks worst. Oscar wasnt even hitting him that hard. This guy is shot. I think a pre Tito Vargas wouldve beat Oscar because he was also declining at the time. I saw his last fight against Marshall who himself was shot and sounds like Meldrick Taylor now sounds, and I thought the guy had a chance to beat him.

Im not here to dog him because I liked him alot and I thought he couldve been great but they moved him too fast and I think he is ruined. He will never even come close to beating a top fighter again and I think he will be KO by any of them except for Spinks but he would still lose a one sided fight to him

Im telling you that if he doesnt stop soon that he will end up like a punch drunk boxer. He is now starting to blink alot and other things. He better stop soon or it will be bad for him

Vargas was clearly rusty but has power and now technique and I think could return to the top ONLY at 154 though.

Vargas was clearly rusty but has power and now technique and I think could return to the top ONLY at 154 though.
He didnt have technique. He was just fighting one of the most uncoridinated fighters in boxing. If he fought anyone else tonight he wouldve lost

Lighten up. He fought a legitimate top 15 middleweight in his first fight back in over a year. He could have taken the easy road back like Tua and Toney and fought people who aren't even in the top 100. Yeah he needs to improve on a lot of things if he ever steps up to fight a top middlweight, but under the current circumstances I thought he looked pretty good.

Lighten up. He fought a legitimate top 15 middleweight in his first fight back in over a year. He could have taken the easy road back like Tua and Toney and fought people who aren't even in the top 100. Yeah he needs to improve on a lot of things if he ever steps up to fight a top middlweight, but under the current circumstances I thought he looked pretty good.


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I think you might be jumping the gun just a little bit. I dont think Vargas looked that bad. If he had just fought a more aggresive fight, he couldve hurt Joval more frequently.

with that said. Joval looked like he was fighting underwater from round 1. I mean that guy is very, very slow. Since he was fighting at Lt. Heavyweight tonight anyway(unofficial weight at fight time was 175), I'm gonna compare him to a very poor mans, slower Glen Johnson. a very busy fighter with limited power. but to describe Joval in a word: slow

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You can save that BS for private messages. post padding much there, Nautilus??

ya well it didnt really look like Vargas was use to the sloppy style of boxing joval presented. Maybe he was confused, but I believe I said ONLY at 154 would he return to the top.

Lighten up. He fought a legitimate top 15 middleweight in his first fight back in over a year. He could have taken the easy road back like Tua and Toney and fought people who aren't even in the top 100. Yeah he needs to improve on a lot of things if he ever steps up to fight a top middlweight, but under the current circumstances I thought he looked pretty good.
No man, this isnt about the opponent, its about him. You can just tell that he is no where near the fighter he was pre Tito. I dont even think he can take a punch from anyone with a solid punch. This guy is finished

vargas has no future at 160..especially while taylor is around...winky wright is better now then when he fought vargas i dont see him beating winky..but he can make some noise at 154

No man, this isnt about the opponent, its about him. You can just tell that he is no where near the fighter he was pre Tito. I dont even think he can take a punch from anyone with a solid punch. This guy is finished

I wasn't expecting him to be the fighter he was pre Tito after such a long layoff and such a serious injury, and I don't know why you are.

You guys keep talking about tonight and Joval's style but his last fight was the same way. This guy is shot and he knows it. Yes, Vargas knows it. He is so unconfident in the ring

well i don't think he looked that great either, but i'm not willing
to say he's totally shot.
I hope he makes a strong comeback.

Whatever man... Ya Vargas can get knocked down, that was proven in his prime. He is a powerful fighter and a great competitor though and does not give up.

I wasn't expecting him to be the fighter he was pre Tito after such a long layoff and such a serious injury, and I don't know why you are.
All of you keep talking about tonight but this is the same as he looked before the injury. He will not get better no matter how much he fights. He will only get worst and I am worried about his health. I think if he doesnt stop he could end up being a punch drunk boxer. He is starting to blink alot in the ring and doing other things

"This guy is shot. I think a pre Tito Vargas wouldve beat Oscar because he was also declining at the time.

Im not here to dog him because I liked him alot and I thought he couldve been great but they moved him too fast and I think he is ruined. He will never even come close to beating a top fighter again..."

You are an idiot, and this is coming from someone who would have enjoyed seeing Vargas get his ass kicked tonight.

All of you keep talking about tonight but this is the same as he looked before the injury. He will not get better no matter how much he fights. He will only get worst and I am worried about his health. I think if he doesnt stop he could end up being a punch drunk boxer. He is starting to blink alot in the ring and doing other things

I don't know if this is sincere because I don't know if you are really a fan of his. The same argument is used by people who hate Wladimir. I say unless there is a situation like Holyfield, you let the fighter keep fighting as long as he wants.

To be honest, he looked pretty bad tonight. I'm not sure if it was Joval's awkwardness or Vargas's rust, but he looked very ordinary.

A knockout would have been nice, but not expected. His more familiar style would have most likely produced one, but then again his old style might have given Joval further openings that otherwise wouldn't have been there.

Every time things started to look tasty for Vargas, the bell cut it short.

Let's hope Vargas got more out of that fight than we did.

You can save that BS for private messages. post padding much there, Nautilus??

LMFAO. one of those (let me jump in at the right minute to look cool) posters. GTFO here man. You pop up out of nowhere.....are you saying he is a non-contributor? Look at your Seed/leech ratio. No matter how miniscule, I suppose you should be heard.

You are worse than I am. I spam. You post 1 time a year, and it is not worth reading at that.

Opposite ends of the spectrum I suppose.

I don't know if this is sincere because I don't know if you are really a fan of his. The same argument is used by people who hate Wladimir. I say unless there is a situation like Holyfield, you let the fighter keep fighting as long as he wants.
Wladimir is shot also

Vargas could stand uncovered for 10 rounds and not get knocked out by Joval. My 90 year old grandmother punches harder then Joval. However I dont think Vargas even tried for a knockout. This fight was a statement that he truly is trying to change for his career and his health.

I think the main reason Vargas didn't look so great tonight is because he fought too defensively. He is trying to learn too many things at one time. I think he should just win some fights to get his confidence back while working on new stuff in the gym and gradually applying it in the ring.

Hopefully all of you people saying that Vargas is done were not saying how great Toney looked against Booker nor should you be proclaiming Tua the heavyweight king when he KOs Griffis.

I think the main reason Vargas didn't look so great tonight is because he fought too defensively. He is trying to learn too many things at one time. I think he should just win some fights to get his confidence back while working on new stuff in the gym and gradually applying it in the ring.

Yeah and he has time do that because he is only 27 years old and like I said maybe those big losses are good because he has been humbled.

Hopefully all of you people saying that Vargas is done were not saying how great Toney looked against Booker nor should you be proclaiming Tua the heavyweight king when he KOs Griffis.
It's not about that. Vargas got KO by Tito and hasnt looked good since. Then he got KO by Oscar and he looked like **** against Marshall(a guy who shouldnt even have a boxing license). He looks worse every fight

It's not about that. Vargas got KO by Tito and hasnt looked good since. Then he got KO by Oscar and he looked like **** against Marshall(a guy who shouldnt even have a boxing license). He looks worse every fight

I think part of him not looking good against Marshall was that he was fighting in a outdoor arena when it was very cold that night.

Thats why hes trying to be "SMARTER" in the ring, dont get to heavy on Vargas, we still have to see when he fights the top guys.

Fernando Vargas is a different fighter now. As it has been said time and time again in this thread, no body should expect an athlete who has been out of the ring for over a year to come in and look as sharp as he did prior.

It was pretty clear and obvious that he did not perform with the same intensity that we are used to seeing from him, but then again he fought totally different as a whole. Defensively, he put on a boxing clinic, and although Joval is no where near the level of Trinidad, Wright, DLH, etc., to make anyone in the top 15 middleweights land at less than 20% accuracy is impressive.

He performed well, but in a different way than he usually would, because his approach was totally different. He wasn't going for a knockout, and that much was evident after the first three rounds. Be patient and give him a few fights before you go jumping the gun and claiming the man is totally shot.

Hopefully all of you people saying that Vargas is done were not saying how great Toney looked against Booker nor should you be proclaiming Tua the heavyweight king when he KOs Griffis.

LOL. I have heard some people say that Toney looked impressive against Booker. They also claimed that Toney won every single round of the Jirov fight......because of "counterpunching". Wtf ever.

Fernando Vargas is a different fighter now. As it has been said time and time again in this thread, no body should expect an athlete who has been out of the ring for over a year to come in and look as sharp as he did prior.

It was pretty clear and obvious that he did not perform with the same intensity that we are used to seeing from him, but then again he fought totally different as a whole. Defensively, he put on a boxing clinic, and although Joval is no where near the level of Trinidad, Wright, DLH, etc., to make anyone in the top 15 middleweights land at less than 20% accuracy is impressive.

He performed well, but in a different way than he usually would, because his approach was totally different. He wasn't going for a knockout, and that much was evident after the first three rounds. Be patient and give him a few fights before you go jumping the gun and claiming the man is totally shot.Man, I have been saying this. This isnt about tonight. You talk about his defense? Please. Joval has to be the most uncordinated fighter I have ever seen. I bet you anything if he steps up to a half way decent fighter, he will lose. I bet you that Eastman would knock him out

Fernando Vargas said himself that he was looking to try something new. Perhaps the best decision wasn't to turn a pro-fight into a sparring session, but he didn't do half-bad.

I'll say this again -- Give him a few fights before you jump the gun and claim the man is shot. You can't even say that this bout is a reflection of the negative results incurred during his bout against Trinidad, because he has taken an entire year off. He's a different fighter, wait and see. That's not to say that he is going to be a legendary competitor, it just means to wait before you go throwing assumptions out and making an ass out of yourself.

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Fernando Wasent that bad he tried being defensive that was new and in round 9 went to the vargas of old when he was low blowed tito status hahaa.

Hey, DLT! Did you see DLH vs. Vargas? I don't know but I think that Vargas looked pretty good in that fight regardless of the steroids. Vargas was only two points down when the TKO happened.

Hey, DLT! Did you see DLH vs. Vargas? I don't know but I think that Vargas looked pretty good in that fight regardless of the steroids. Vargas was only two points down when the TKO happened.


Your wrong the steroids made him look slow. He looked good when he fought Ike And Tito fast and strong he would have done better without steroids but everyone makes bad decisions learn to live with them.

My point is that Vargas was doing great against DLH and was really dominant when he put him against the ropes.

Vargas biggest problem is he gets to excited and burns alot of his stamina on pointless punches thats what he did to de la hoya he landed **** as when he foguth tito he landed lots of pretty punches which cause Low Blowing Tito to foul.

Fernando Vargas said himself that he was looking to try something new. Perhaps the best decision wasn't to turn a pro-fight into a sparring session, but he didn't do half-bad.

I'll say this again -- Give him a few fights before you jump the gun and claim the man is shot. You can't even say that this bout is a reflection of the negative results incurred during his bout against Trinidad, because he has taken an entire year off. He's a different fighter, wait and see. That's not to say that he is going to be a legendary competitor, it just means to wait before you go throwing assumptions out and making an ass out of yourself.
Hey ******, this is my opinion. Dont bring your ***** ass on here running your girl ass mouth because I said something about your boy

Hey, DLT! Did you see DLH vs. Vargas? I don't know but I think that Vargas looked pretty good in that fight regardless of the steroids. Vargas was only two points down when the TKO happened.
He's right, Vargas did look slow and like garbage. It was close because Oscar wasnt no better. That was the most overhyped fight in history. The crowd was going crazy at everything they were doing but they werent even landing half the time and the ones that did land werent that flush. You could tell that Oscar was going downhill in that fight also