Zab Super Judah
03-26-2005, 06:24 PM
or lower or soemthing....I know you cant be overweight but can you be underweight?
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View Full Version : If You Are A Middleweight Fighter Are You Allowed To Weigh In At Like 147 Zab Super Judah 03-26-2005, 06:24 PM or lower or soemthing....I know you cant be overweight but can you be underweight? SacTown1 03-26-2005, 06:45 PM you can be as far under-weight as you want mic573 03-26-2005, 07:32 PM I think some athletic commissions won't sanction a fight if one fighter is so many pounds under the official weight. After the weigh in it really doesn't matter unless it's in the contract but at the official weigh in the fighter must be with in a reasonable weight. MlLkMan 03-26-2005, 07:40 PM Why would you wanna do that? Kid Achilles 03-26-2005, 08:19 PM If you were a smaller guy challenging a bigger guy and you thought that gaining the weight might impede your mobility and handspeed, you wouldn't want to have to put on the weight just to make a limit. Yes, a guy can fight at middleweight at 147. He just can't weigh over the limit. DLT 03-27-2005, 12:02 AM I think the rule is that you cant go under the next weight down so if you fight at 160, you have to way atleast 155 or maybe 154 but I think you have to be over the bottom weight class. I guess you could weigh 154 and a ounce Kid Achilles 03-27-2005, 12:05 AM That is a misconception DLT. riz 03-27-2005, 12:09 AM im pretty sure u can, jus dont kno y u want to. unless ur like RJJ at HW so ye u can, jus most ppl dun do it DLT 03-27-2005, 12:10 AM That is a misconception DLT. Well show me a fight were somone was under the bottom weight mic573 03-27-2005, 12:38 AM That is a misconception DLT. How many commissions would allow a fighter to weigh in well under the weight limitz? That's asking for trouble if that fighter gets seriously hurt. riz 03-27-2005, 01:35 AM both hopkins and delahoya were like 4 pounds under in there fight FuryDragon 03-27-2005, 01:41 AM DLT, Roy Jones Jr. would've been a great cruiserweight when he fought Ruiz, if you look at the weight. He was well under the limit for heavyweight. PessimisticPug 03-27-2005, 05:33 AM I believe that in the pros, excluding heavyweights, there can be up to a 12lb difference between the fighters.........Rockin' DLT 03-27-2005, 07:17 AM DLT, Roy Jones Jr. would've been a great cruiserweight when he fought Ruiz, if you look at the weight. He was well under the limit for heavyweight. The limit for heavyweight is over 191 which is cruiserweight. DLT 03-27-2005, 07:19 AM I believe that in the pros, excluding heavyweights, there can be up to a 12lb difference between the fighters.........Rockin' Thats not true. Why would they make a rule with a certain amount of pounds when the weights vary so much. 12 pounds is totaly different when your talking about a cruiser weight and a bantam weight. DLT 03-27-2005, 07:23 AM I am right on this guys. Trust me. Hopkins was wanting to fight Mosley. Mosley didnt want to move up that far but he wanted X's 160 pound title so the solution was for them to agree to weigh in at 155. That tells you right there that you cant go under the bottom weight. AintGottaClue 03-27-2005, 09:59 AM The limit for heavyweight is over 191 which is cruiserweight. i thought they changed it to 201? mic573 03-27-2005, 10:41 AM I am right on this guys. Trust me. Hopkins was wanting to fight Mosley. Mosley didnt want to move up that far but he wanted X's 160 pound title so the solution was for them to agree to weigh in at 155. That tells you right there that you cant go under the bottom weight. That wouldn't be under the next weight class. The junior middleweight limit is 154. Delahoya and Hopkins agreed to weigh in at 158. Hopkins came in at 156 and Delahoya came in at 155. PessimisticPug 03-27-2005, 01:14 PM Thats not true. Why would they make a rule with a certain amount of pounds when the weights vary so much. 12 pounds is totaly different when your talking about a cruiser weight and a bantam weight. This was a few years ago, but I had come in over our agreed weight and that is what I was told by the man weighing me in. The fight was lined where I was not supposed to come in over 155, but I did. The guy I was fighting came in at 147 and I came in at 158. The fight was allowed. When you get down to the bantams and featherweights the max difference in weights would drop to probably like 8 or 10 pounds. May I ask DLT where you got this information or was it just something that you believe is the way that they handle it. stepmonster 03-27-2005, 01:33 PM ya im pretty sure it doesnt matter what weight you are, ive seen some pretty lopsided fights where the little guy took it home stepmonster 03-27-2005, 01:33 PM roy jones faught a lot of guys who were much bigger than him DLT 03-27-2005, 05:23 PM That wouldn't be under the next weight class. The junior middleweight limit is 154. Delahoya and Hopkins agreed to weigh in at 158. Hopkins came in at 156 and Delahoya came in at 155. I dont get what your saying here. That is like the same thing I said masterdirector 03-27-2005, 09:17 PM Okay I'm assuming probably someone by now has cleared this up, but okay... No, you have to weigh within the weight limit to fight in that weight class. You can't be underweight or overweight. At least not in the VAST MAJORITY of fights. Remember how Jones was concerned about making weight for his heavyweight bout against Ruiz? That was before all the sanctioning bodies got together and made the new Heavyweight limit 200 lbs (because of Jones, just by the way). The only reason anybody tries making weight at Heavyweight is if they're lighter than the limit. So yeah Hopkins couldn't go fight Tyson next month. He'd have to gain at least 40 lbs and lose about 400 IQ points to do something so stupid. Now if you're Arturo Gatti, you can weigh 160 and still fight 140 lb fighters, but that's just boxing corruption at its best. Kid Achilles 03-27-2005, 09:49 PM That is incorrect about making heavyweight. Billy Conn fought Louis at a little under 170 which was below the HW minimum even in those days. Have you forgotten that HW's routinely weigh in with coats and boots? Many are really a good 5-10 pounds less than what they weigh in at. If it were truly mandatory that a HW weigh in over the cruiserweight limit, they would not allow them to wear all that excess clothing. Heavyweight weigh-ins are just for the staredown and a chance for fans to get a good look at what kind of condition the fighters are in. A heavyweight doesn't have to meet any weight limit as the division has no ceiling. He can weigh 180 or 480. As long as he passes his medical exams, and the bout has been sanctioned, they aren't going to force a fighter to put on weight. Even if they did (which would be absurd as bloating himself would just decrease his chances even more) the fighter would simply wear a coat with small weights in the pockets. buff_mike10 03-27-2005, 10:00 PM He's right, look back at Rocky Marciano, he only weighed 180, and he beat guys that weighed in at the mid 200's masterdirector 03-27-2005, 10:11 PM okay damn, they're not going to sanction a fight no matter what if a guy weights 140 and wants to fight a heavyweight. don't be a dumbass. Yeah, okay technically it COULD possibly happen but you know damn well it never will. If the fight isn't sanctioned between a 140 fighter and a heavyweight, they only won't sanction it why? Because of the massive weight difference, meaning they would be enforcing the fact that the 140 lb guy isn't at heavyweight. If its an unsanctioned fight why do they even need weigh ins anyhow? Weigh ins are only required for sanctioned fights. Unsanctioned fights don't count, period. buff_mike10 03-27-2005, 11:32 PM No your not going to see a 140 pounder fighting a prime Tyson or anything like that. The reason is because there is no promotor stupid enough to promote a fight that noone is gonna pay to see. masterdirector 03-27-2005, 11:38 PM I'd pay to see Tyson take on Kostya Tszyu. That'd be a dream match for me. Of course, I hate Tszyu. PessimisticPug 03-28-2005, 01:02 AM I will ask when I see an official next time. The heavyweights can be as lopsided as they want. But they will not allow a fight where a true heavyweight is fighting a middlewieght. Way back in the day maybe where saftey was not so much of an issue, but today the could not. If a death occured in the ring under those circumstances the ama would be all over us trying to get us banned for good. And if this were to happen they would have a strong case. So this is the thing. Heavyweights I believe must make the heavyweight limit and then the weight difference becomes obsolete in the commisions eyes. However in regular weight classes there IS a cut off in the difference in weight between the 2 fighters. Like I posted earlier, if i had been 2 pounds heavier the fight would not have been approved. That was a jr. middle fight and the max difference between the 2 fighters could be no more than 12 pounds. As I said, the next time im around the guys I will ask and find out the exact details as the state of michigan requires. The limit in weight difference is there.....Rockin' :boxing: moochi 03-28-2005, 02:56 AM or lower or soemthing....I know you cant be overweight but can you be underweight? I am not quite sure what you are asking as you said "at LIKE 147".... what does "LIKE 147" mean? If you meant are you allowed to weigh in AT 147, then the answer would be yes, unless the contract specified the particular weight bracket you would have to weigh. PessimisticPug 03-28-2005, 03:37 AM The only time that you absolutely have to make weight is when fighting for a title. Other than that you just have to come in with in the weight stipulated on the contracts, like somebody already said...........Rockin' |