Bruno's punching power compared to Foreman's, Shavers, Cleveland Williams by his sparring partner and former victim. This is off a preview to the Bruno vs Cummings fighter, they said.......

Leroy caldwell ive been hit by Big Cat Clevland Williams, Shavers, foreman and there's no difference between those guy and Bruno's power.


Bill Sharkey ........Weaver, infact he is very comparable to foreman.

Took the durable Mike Jammeson out in two, it took Mike Tyson 5 rounds of pounding on him, Bruno laid him out with a 2/3 punch combo.

He did a job James Tillis, hurt him broke his nose, he wanted no more of Bruno. Tyson went 10 frustrating rounds with Tillis.

Im not trying to insinuate he hits harder than Tyson because i dont think he did but i guess this gives is an idea of how hard he could hit, not to mention he actually hurt Mike Tyson himself.

Makes his career even more disappointing really.

Makes his career even more disappointing really.

It does, i think that is why its so easy for people to poo poo Bruno because he did actually have a lot of ability imo, he could box, he had an excellent jab, he was fundamentally sound, he hit like a truck when he landed solid, albeit he was a bit open defensively.

His stamina, chin, defence cost him big time.

I think he hit as hard as Tyson, probly.

I would put him right up there in terms of raw punching power! One of the best KO Ratios of a heavyweight champ if im not mistaken.

Stamina, chin and defence were bad on Bruno, kinda reminds me of Haye.

But yeah he could hit very, very hard.

Always thought Morrison v Bruno would of been great fun.

:rolleyes: Should I comment on this and risk someone's wrath? :rolleyes:

Poet

yeah go for it lmao

yeah go for it lmao

Naw, I happen to respect the person in question so.....

Poet

Naw, I happen to respect the person in question so.....

Poet

You also think Bruno was the greatest of all time?

Just come out and say it. You'll feel better for it in the morning.

You also think Bruno was the greatest of all time?

Just come out and say it. You'll feel better for it in the morning.

:haha: Seriously? No. He was a solid fighter with one of hardest punches going but he wasn't quite good enough to take it to the next level.

Poet

:rolleyes: Should I comment on this and risk someone's wrath? :rolleyes:

Poet
lol, i'll bite go on!
Not been called junior for a while either :)

ok, my question always re Bruno:
Name me one fighter he knocked out who was there to win i.e. not just an opponent or name?
One fighter whose career was on the way up and not the way down?

lol, i'll bite go on!
Not been called junior for a while either :)

ok, my question always re Bruno:
Name me one fighter he knocked out who was there to win i.e. not just an opponent or name?
One fighter whose career was on the way up and not the way down?
John Emmen!.... No, there isn't any.. Unfortunately Frank's career was ruined by Terry Lawless, who wrapped all of his fighters in cotton wool and was generally regarded as a crap manager on the world scene.. It took a long time for Frank to realize this..

Bruno wasn't even allowed to fight for the British title as Lawless deemed the likes of Gary Mason and Horace Notice, far too risky..
Sadly, he was made to fight a succession of burnt out C class fighters instead, most of whom were KTFO in under 4 rounds.. Yes, Lawless paid good money to fly the likes of Scott Le Deoux, Walter Santimore, Chuck Gardner, Barry Funches etc to the UK instead.

Once Lawless felt Bruno was ready, he upped the anti considerably, by flying over Jumbo Cummings, who had just drawn with an ancient Joe Frazier, and then, a real risky one! A shot Gerrie Coetzee who was brutally KO'd in the 1st..
Yes.. Lawless was indeed , one soppy old cunt, wasn't he?

Now, here's the bit where everyone spits the dummy..
Bruno's punch was every bit as hard as Foreman, Shavers, Tyson, Liston, Williams etc, but only from a standing position against an opponent that was too slow to duck, because that was all he had ever trained for.. Had Manny Steward or Angelo Dundee got hold of him, he'd be right up there with Foreman and Shavers on all the lists!

If Bruno didn't drop his hands when he got hurt and learnt how to clinch/take a knee. He would have been a very good champ.

lol, i'll bite go on!
Not been called junior for a while either :)

ok, my question always re Bruno:
Name me one fighter he knocked out who was there to win i.e. not just an opponent or name?
One fighter whose career was on the way up and not the way down?
same can be said of the other British/Canadian heavyweight champion.

Bruno had a hell of a rap when it landed but he lacked `speed`of punch .. IMO he never hit as hard as Foreman, Tyson, Lyle, Williams, Frazier or Shavers but i really enjoyed his career..

Frank attended a funeral in my town around 2yrs ago for a local drug-dealer who was killed in an accident, Frank did not look good, he seems to be weighing around 195-200lbs he is grey and heavily into the dope

same can be said of the other British/Canadian heavyweight champion.

Bruno had a hell of a rap when it landed but he lacked `speed`of punch .. IMO he never hit as hard as Foreman, Tyson, Lyle, Williams, Frazier or Shavers but i really enjoyed his career..

Frank attended a funeral in my town around 2yrs ago for a local drug-dealer who was killed in an accident, Frank did not look good, he seems to be weighing around 195-200lbs he is grey and heavily into the dope

I don't think Bruno's team would have let him within a mile of Ruddock in a non title fight to be honest. That's a shame to hear he isn't doing well he is a nice guy.

I always perceived Bruno to be a heavy handed guy but not the type of one punch puncher that Foreman and Shavers were.

Didn't I see Bruno on one of those Sky Sports Friday Fight Night shows a little while back? Looked in pretty good shape there to me, I know he's been through some bad times though.

I always perceived Bruno to be a heavy handed guy but not the type of one punch puncher that Foreman and Shavers were.

Didn't I see Bruno on one of those Sky Sports Friday Fight Night shows a little while back? Looked in pretty good shape there to me, I know he's been through some bad times though.

Think Mickey has it right bring a guy over who is all but laying on a meat hook and Frank looks like George Foreman. if he hits back Frank becomes Duane Bobick. he might have become a better fighter had a Steward got hold of him but I doubt he would have got 4 title shots.

Think Mickey has it right bring a guy over who is all but laying on a meat hook and Frank looks like George Foreman. if he hits back Frank becomes Duane Bobick. he might have become a better fighter had a Steward got hold of him but I doubt he would have got 4 title shots.
Duane Bobick is an excellent conparison.. Spot dick GJ, spot dick!

I'm tired of posting this;

Frank Bruno's straight punch was 6320 newtons and the punch took only 0.1 seconds from start to finish

:lol1:

Can anyone translate?

Think Mickey has it right bring a guy over who is all but laying on a meat hook and Frank looks like George Foreman. if he hits back Frank becomes Duane Bobick. he might have become a better fighter had a Steward got hold of him but I doubt he would have got 4 title shots.

No doubt Bruno would've been better had he been trained by a good American trainer because honestly from what I've heard the sparring in the UK is nowhere near as good as the sparring in the US, the fighters in the gyms in the US wouldn't have laid down for Bruno and that might have toughened him up for actual fights when he got hit.

Bruno was an animal and could have been a monster.;)

Greatest puncher of all time:

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Or maybe it's just the opponent...

Frank BUM is what I call him

Frank BUM is what I call him

very witty indeed ............ not

Frank BUM is what I call him
Quite clearly, a 15 year old US citizen..

Quite clearly, a 15 year old US citizen..

There are many on here aren't there:boxing:

Hey mickey malone i like the way you put it about Bruno.

There are many on here aren't there:boxing:

Hey mickey malone i like the way you put it about Bruno.
Cheers, so did I actually.. Frank's about 2 years older than me and from the same manor (hood).. Didn't know him very well, but followed his career with detail, and to be fair, have an unfair advantage with regard to info on him, but yeh, that's how it was..

Cheers, so did I actually.. Frank's about 2 years older than me and from the same manor (hood).. Didn't know him very well, but followed his career with detail, and to be fair, have an unfair advantage with regard to info on him, but yeh, that's how it was..

You can tell from your reply, its good to get a better insight from someone who followed his career closely, im obviously younger so its not really my era.

My recollections of live Boxing started about Eubank/Benn(screensport/ITV) time, great days.

same can be said of the other British/Canadian heavyweight champion.

Bruno had a hell of a rap when it landed but he lacked `speed`of punch .. IMO he never hit as hard as Foreman, Tyson, Lyle, Williams, Frazier or Shavers but i really enjoyed his career..

Frank attended a funeral in my town around 2yrs ago for a local drug-dealer who was killed in an accident, Frank did not look good, he seems to be weighing around 195-200lbs he is grey and heavily into the dope

You could add Sonny Liston to that list as well.

Chuck Gardner is quite possibly the worst fighter Bruno ever fought and that takes some doing.

Chuck Gardner is quite possibly the worst fighter Bruno ever fought and that takes some doing.

Believe it or not but Gardner actually once scored a win over Jimmy Young. He also beat the giant Mike White.

Believe it or not but Gardner actually once scored a win over Jimmy Young. He also beat the giant Mike White.
Trust me if Terry Lawless thought he was a danger he wouldn't have been there. Just to think that fight and beating an ancient Bugner got him a shot against Tyson!

Trust me if Terry Lawless thought he was a danger he wouldn't have been there. Just to think that fight and beating an ancient Bugner got him a shot against Tyson!

Well, he certainly did not look like a threat in the video I posted above. Seemed 50 years old and looked like he hadn't been in the gym for years. Not exactly in professional fighting shape.

I know Bugner was old and overweight but he was on a pretty good streak of wins at the time, having beaten Greg Page, David Bey and James Tillis back-to-back.

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I know Bugner was old and overweight but he was on a pretty good streak of wins at the time, having beaten Greg Page, David Bey and James Tillis back-to-back.



They were all pretty much names/"opponents" by this stage though really GreatA?
The fact that they dug up Tillis to fight Bruno a year or two after his Bugner defeat kind of puts things into perspective.
I was just pleased that Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey had passed away by then!

They were all pretty much names/"opponents" by this stage though really GreatA?
The fact that they dug up Tillis to fight Bruno a year or two after his Bugner defeat kind of puts things into perspective.
I was just pleased that Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey had passed away by then!

Tillis was pretty good at that point of his career, when he fought Bugner that is. He had seemingly improved his stamina, having gone to a 6-4 type of a decision with a young Mike Tyson. The Bugner loss sent him back and by the time he fought Bruno he was pretty much used up although he did fight Evander Holyfield later.

Page got upset by journeyman Mark Wills but he came back from that with two wins over Jerry Halstead and James Broad. Two years before he had held a world title. Solid win for an old Bugner.

Tillis was pretty good at that point of his career, when he fought Bugner that is. He had seemingly improved his stamina, having gone to a 6-4 type of a decision with a young Mike Tyson. The Bugner loss sent him back and by the time he fought Bruno he was pretty much used up although he did fight Evander Holyfield later.

Page got upset by journeyman Mark Wills but he came back from that with two wins over Jerry Halstead and James Broad. Two years before he had held a world title. Solid win for an old Bugner.
I know Joe, and if he wasn't such a genuinely nice natured person, he'd have made big waves in the HW division for a very long time!

I know Joe, and if he wasn't such a genuinely nice natured person, he'd have made big waves in the HW division for a very long time!

I'd have to agree with that. I always found it humorous that when Bugner fought in a rage, he started knocking people out with ease.

Watch the Winston Allen fight I posted above, where Bugner gets headbutted and instantly knocks Allen out with a right hand. I believe the pre-fight hype for the Richard Dunn fight got a bit ugly and Bugner responded by knocking Dunn out in one.

I'd have to agree with that. I always found it humorous that when Bugner fought in a rage, he started knocking people out with ease.

Watch the Winston Allen fight I posted above, where Bugner gets headbutted and instantly knocks Allen out with a right hand. I believe the pre-fight hype for the Richard Dunn fight got a bit ugly and Bugner responded by knocking Dunn out in one.
Although I haven't yet watched the Allen fight (well, not for at least 20 years or so) I'll stick my neck out, and say it wasn't a headbutt, he actually bit Bugners shoulder! Wonder if the young Mike Tyson was watching that one lol...

I know Joe, and if he wasn't such a genuinely nice natured person, he'd have made big waves in the HW division for a very long time!
Wouldn't argue with that he had all the tools for sure.
But by the time he signed with Frank Warren (Winston Allen onwards?) his future was behind him so to speak.

I'd have to agree with that. I always found it humorous that when Bugner fought in a rage, he started knocking people out with ease.

Watch the Winston Allen fight I posted above, where Bugner gets headbutted and instantly knocks Allen out with a right hand. I believe the pre-fight hype for the Richard Dunn fight got a bit ugly and Bugner responded by knocking Dunn out in one.

He finally looked a killer against Dunn. He probably showed more agression against Dunn than in 2 fights with Ali. Good showing against Frazier though probably the highlight of his career for me.

Although I haven't yet watched the Allen fight (well, not for at least 20 years or so) I'll stick my neck out, and say it wasn't a headbutt, he actually bit Bugners shoulder! Wonder if the young Mike Tyson was watching that one lol...

I think it was another fighter who bit him on the shoulder. I've heard about that but never seen it. I believe Bugner went onto knock that opponent out as well.

I think it was another fighter who bit him on the shoulder. I've heard about that but never seen it. I believe Bugner went onto knock that opponent out as well.
I just watched the fight and it's jogged my memory..
To begin with I thought, that's strange, as it's something Joe once made a brief comment on himself, in an email to me..

It isn't until back in his dressing room after the fight, that Bugner notices the distinct shape of a bite mark on his collar bone, and allows the press to photograph it..
I believe Allen was actually disciplined by the BBBC over it..

I just watched the fight and it's jogged my memory..
To begin with I thought, that's strange, as it's something Joe once made a brief comment on himself, in an email to me..

It isn't until back in his dressing room after the fight, that Bugner notices the distinct shape of a bite mark on his collar bone, and allows the press to photograph it..
I believe Allen was actually disciplined by the BBBC over it..

You're probably right. I heard that he was bitten during one of his comeback fights in the 1990's but someone must've gotten it confused with this fight.

brunos power is overrated,who did he beat with this so called power,he beat no one with this power that he claimed to have,he claimed this unheard of power but got kayoed,he had average power that is it:boxing:

"Hold him frank":lol1:

are you playing cards what do you mean hold em frank,does frank have 21 what game are you and frank playing:boxing:

"Hold him frank":lol1:

are you playing cards what do you mean hold em frank,does frank have 21 what game are you and frank playing:boxing:I was taking the micky lol
"Hold Him Frank" was what the UK tv comentators used to shout when Bruno was about to get Koed lol...its one of them things you never forget hearing when you was a kid...i used to watch all his fights with my dad :)

brunos power is overrated,who did he beat with this so called power,he beat no one with this power that he claimed to have,he claimed this unheard of power but got kayoed,he had average power that is it:boxing:
What's this..... a Dindalow?

I was taking the micky lol
"Hold Him Frank" was what the UK tv comentators used to shout when Bruno was about to get Koed lol...its one of them things you never forget hearing when you was a kid...i used to watch all his fights with my dad :)

Are those paintings yours?

same can be said of the other British/Canadian heavyweight champion.

Bruno had a hell of a rap when it landed but he lacked `speed`of punch .. IMO he never hit as hard as Foreman, Tyson, Lyle, Williams, Frazier or Shavers but i really enjoyed his career..

Frank attended a funeral in my town around 2yrs ago for a local drug-dealer who was killed in an accident, Frank did not look good, he seems to be weighing around 195-200lbs he is grey and heavily into the dope
You're a lying cunt!

You're a lying cunt!

here is the proof Mickey Moron

http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/other/frank_bruno_at_workington_funeral_1_347604?referre rPath=home/search_results_page_2_1681

here is the proof Mickey Moron

http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/other/frank_bruno_at_workington_funeral_1_347604?referre rPath=home/search_results_page_2_1681
Proof he attended a funeral, and at the same time, concrete evidence that you're a lying cunt..

Bruno is not grey, Bruno is not 195lbs, and he is quite clearly not heavilly into dope..

Proof he attended a funeral, and at the same time, concrete evidence that you're a lying cunt..

Bruno is not grey, Bruno is not 195lbs, and he is quite clearly not heavilly into dope..

Yea, he looks pretty youthful. And buff.

Are those paintings yours?Nah mate...:boxing:

Proof he attended a funeral, and at the same time, concrete evidence that you're a lying cunt..

Bruno is not grey, Bruno is not 195lbs, and he is quite clearly not heavilly into dope..If anyone is heavilly into dope ...i would say its that sonnyboy...he seem like a right crackhead to me.. :haha:

If anyone is heavilly into dope ...i would say its that sonnyboy...he seem like a right crackhead to me.. :haha:
Well he's got a nose like Pinnochio, so probably snorts it up a drain pipe!

Yea, he looks pretty youthful. And buff.
Very much so!... I wonder why Sillyboy would want to smear him like that.. Perhaps it's because he lost to Lewis..

Proof he attended a funeral, and at the same time, concrete evidence that you're a lying cunt..

Bruno is not grey, Bruno is not 195lbs, and he is quite clearly not heavilly into dope..

Frank Bruno was grey-haired years ago when he was rumoured to be going to return to the ring to fight Audley Harrison, he was grey at that guys funeral i am told... the guy who died was a dope-dealer and thats the reason Frank knew him... its quite simply really.. but no doubt `Mickey Moron` will twist and distort it and try his best to argue black is white because i exposed him as a fraud

Frank Bruno was grey-haired years ago when he was rumoured to be going to return to the ring to fight Audley Harrison, he was grey at that guys funeral i am told... the guy who died was a dope-dealer and thats the reason Frank knew him... its quite simply really.. but no doubt `Mickey Moron` will twist and distort it and try his best to argue black is white because i exposed him as a fraud
"I was told" lol, then like the fool that you are, send in a link of Frank at 240lbs without a grey hair on his head lol
Just for the record, it's black, not white or grey..
The only people that are heavilly into dope, is you and your unemployed mates in the local park!