i havent seen it but he was floored 5 times. but looking at the scores he could won if they didnt happen by a MD. was it a bad night or style matchup? or does JCV had the power to floor em that many times.

Vasquez wasn`t a bad fighter in his prime. I saw this fight and Winky just got in trouble and kinda let his inexperience tell. Vasquez`s power was very good too!

so he just had a little to much power adn winky wasnt a little to green? cause lookign at the scores it tellz me it was mostly winky aside from the knockdowns

in most interviews winky says he had the wrong kind of shoes on that made him keep slipping. He said none were legitimate knockdowns that hurt him seriously. but fighters say all sorts of things.

thats the gist of it.

I don't know about the slips!!!????

a horse is a horse of course of course, damn that winky, I hope he has the right shoes when he faces tito

I don't know about the slips!!!????

maxboxing has a video of the first Tito-winky press conference. there winky says everything about the slips/wrong shoes..blah blah blah. i'm not making it up or anything.

Julio Cesar Vasquez would have beaten terry norris and terrible terry knows it too.

in most interviews winky says he had the wrong kind of shoes on that made him keep slipping. He said none were legitimate knockdowns that hurt him seriously. but fighters say all sorts of things.

thats the gist of it.

I some what believe that... He really wasn't hurt by anything he was throwing it seemed. Winky was just falling all over the place.

i have this fight and just saw one punch that seems like it floored Winky, but Ithink he was sliping before that shot, the others were a combinatin of slips and exhaustion, winky had never gone more than 8 rounds in a fight and Vazquez was a big step up in competition

There was some publicity in the ring, in yelllow letters and everytime winky walked over it, he was slipping.

IN fact even with the knockdowns, Winky won like 10 rounds of the fight, but the judges werent giving him the knockdown rounds...

Also the referee was letting Vazquez punch Winky in the back of the head all the time, Vazquez should have lost some 3 points for that ****

It's all in Winky's style. He fights with his pillow gloves in front of his face and wasn't able to see Vazquez dipping low and under his shots,. Winky is always going to have trouble with squat volume punchers - see Soliman, and Vazquez. Plus, Vazquez wasn't a bad fighter either...he defended his title I believe 10 times and that is better then alot of welterweights in the HOF.

It's all in Winky's style. He fights with his pillow gloves in front of his face and wasn't able to see Vazquez dipping low and under his shots,. Winky is always going to have trouble with squat volume punchers - see Soliman, and Vazquez. Plus, Vazquez wasn't a bad fighter either...he defended his title I believe 10 times and that is better then alot of welterweights in the HOF.

winky didnt fight like that back then

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Winky just got caught with alot of good shots.
Shoes excuse is pathetic.

Winky claims 3 of those were slips, he could have won on the scorecards if not for those knockdowns, but Vasquez was strong in his prime, everyone was picking him to beat sweet pea because of his size and strength, and thats how great whitaker was when he dominated Vasquez.

Winky claims 3 of those were slips, he could have won on the scorecards if not for those knockdowns, but Vasquez was strong in his prime, everyone was picking him to beat sweet pea because of his size and strength, and thats how great whitaker was when he dominated Vasquez.

True that. Vazquez was one of the better 154 pounders in the short history of that division. He was tough as nails and was very heavy-handed. Whitaker put on a clinic that night and actually fought Vazquez' fight for a good deal of the time.

Vazquez only really lost once in his prime...the loss to Whitaker. I wish I could have seen that comeback KO victory over Carl Daniels.

Will vazquez be a hall of famer?

Besides azumah nelson and ramirez, who else did whitaker beat thats good enough to make hall of fame. IMO, buddy mcgirt did more than ken norton and he has a decent record against top level fighters.

We all know whitaker beat chavez, at least 1 judge gave it to whitaker. None of them gave it to the king of fixed fights.

Will vazquez be a hall of famer?

Besides azumah nelson and ramirez, who else did whitaker beat thats good enough to make hall of fame. IMO, buddy mcgirt did more than ken norton and he has a decent record against top level fighters.

We all know whitaker beat chavez, at least 1 judge gave it to whitaker. None of them gave it to the king of fixed fights.

jose luis ramirez, buddy mcgirt, meromero paez and vazquez are all kind of outside-looking-in type fighters for the HOF. ramirez was a two time champ, mcgirt was well accomplished, paez was a champion who made multiple defenses of his titles, vazquez was the same as paez.

i don't think vazquez will make it, but if pipino cuevas can get in there then any of those guys i just mentioned are just as deserving.

i havent seen it but he was floored 5 times. but looking at the scores he could won if they didnt happen by a MD. was it a bad night or style matchup? or does JCV had the power to floor em that many times.

To me the scores show Wink can fight since he lost a close fight after 5 KDs.After this fight is when he adopted his more defensive style and mastered it.He is virtually unbeatable at MW and JMW.....period.

True that. Vazquez was one of the better 154 pounders in the short history of that division. He was tough as nails and was very heavy-handed. Whitaker put on a clinic that night and actually fought Vazquez' fight for a good deal of the time.

Vazquez only really lost once in his prime...the loss to Whitaker. I wish I could have seen that comeback KO victory over Carl Daniels.

My memory of that fight was its a come from behind KO by Vasquez over Carl Daniels, yes that right after he lost to sweet pea, I wonder why Terry Norris never considered fighting Vasquez.

My memory of that fight was its a come from behind KO by Vasquez over Carl Daniels, yes that right after he lost to sweet pea, I wonder why Terry Norris never considered fighting Vasquez.

Cuz terry norris is bad against punchers with power, vazquez has beat like 5 or 6 good fighters, he only lost twice in his prime. I say he is better than hall of famers like cuevas, norton and antuofermo.