I am positive that Duran won that fight. Barkley had his moments, but he never really came close to seriously hurting Duran or dropping him while Duran did just that to him in the 11th round. I can't see why anybody thinks Barkley won this fight.

I had it 7-5, or 115-112, for Duran.

Ive never heard anyone say they thought Barkley won.

Ive never heard anyone say they thought Barkley won.

I did. Unfortunately.

I did. Unfortunately.

Il have to watch it again. All i remember is Duran landing that great counter right in the 1st.

I did. Unfortunately.
Unfortunately being the key word..

Well, I can tell you who I heard it from, but I reckon you'll soon find out...:rolleyes:

The fight ended in split decision for a reason.

Haven't seen it in over a year, but the last time I scored it I gave it to Barkley...I'll score it again soon.

It was very close but I leaned towards Duran because of the knockdown. It was a big upset, many figured Duran had no chance. But then again most fans thought Davey Moore would beat Duran and there was no way Hagler wouldn't destroy Duran too!

Well, I can tell you who I heard it from, but I reckon you'll soon find out...:rolleyes:

I could probably have figured out who without too much trouble ;) but.....naturally enough he saved me the effort :D What's the old saying? "Better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt"? He removed all doubt long ago :rofl:

Poet

I could probably have figured out who without too much trouble ;) but.....naturally enough he saved me the effort :D What's the old saying? "Better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt"? He removed all doubt long ago :rofl:

Poet

And incredibly enough there is another fool here who thinks Barkley won!:nonono:

And incredibly enough there is another fool here who thinks Barkley won!:nonono:

That would be Billionaire: Another Boxing Scene Einstein :rofl:

Poet

You guys need to jump off Duran's nutsack. The fight was close. There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing Barkley won.

Some of the people voting here don't even remember the damn fight, count on it.

You guys need to jump off Duran's nutsack. The fight was close. There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing Barkley won.

Some of the people voting here don't even remember the damn fight, count on it.

How bout you jump off Barkley's.

How bout you jump off Barkley's.

Sigh, I also believe Leonard beat Duran in their first fight. Yet I also dislike Leonard, and rate Duran over him p4p.

If the fight doesn't involve a Philadelphia fighter my scorecard doesn't get swayed one way or another on any kind of personal bias.

And if you'd read better, you would have noticed I'm not the one pretending one guy clearly won the fight. It was a fight that could go either way. Anyone who doesn't see that is the one in denial.

It would be nice if there was an alternate commentary for that fight, as part of the controversey I think is due to Al Bernstein being a notorious Duran hater, and Gil Clancy never forgiving Duran for the beatdown her put on his fighter, Ken Buchannon.
Despite being a Duran fan, I think a case can be made that a slight win for Barkley wouldn't have been an obscene robbery, but that's usually the product of overanalysis. I've watched that fight 25-30 times, and usually end up 6-6 or 7-5 Duran, with the knockdown (probably the most electric moment I've ever had in boxing) giving the win either way. The real indicator is that 1st round. I thought Barkley was winning the round fairly comfortably, and then Duran landed that massive right hand and had Barkley out on his feet. I just think that Barkley was SO hurt, that I had to slide that round over to Duran. It also changed the perception of the fight. Not only did it show that Duran came to fight, which was questioned, but that he was he going to be competative, AND he could actually hurt Barkley, which was not expected at all.
I do think Duran was hurt at least twice, but not to the degree Barkley was and I gave those rounds to Barkley anyway.

Sigh, I also believe Leonard beat Duran in their first fight.

Yow. Care to expound on that one?

Yow. Care to expound on that one?

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Not much to choose from this round. No one really deserved to win it. Leonard didn't do much, and Duran was mostly ineffective with what he did.


Round 2: 9 – 10 Duran
Big round for Duran, he buckles Leonard early and possibly hurts him once more later in the round. Leonard has his moments near the end, but didn't do enough.


Round 3: 9 – 10 Duran
Duran continues to beat Leonard's ass again this round, hurting him in the early going.


*Round 4: 9 – 10 Duran
Once again, early in the round Leonard is caught and hurt by Duran's big right hand. That's 3 rounds in a row that he hasn't been able to avoid it, not looking good for Leonard at all. Afterwards the two exchange good body work back and forth, edge Leonard. And at the end of the round, there are some flurries and big shots landed by both fighters. Leonard appeared to get the best of it here as well (barely). So, what started as a big round for Duran, ended up pretty damn close. ...But Duran still won.


Round 5: 10 – 9 Leonard
Even round until the end, where Leonard finally put a meaningful combination together that actually made Duran back up a little.


Round 6: 10 – 9 Leonard
Leonard tied Duran up pretty well the entire round, and put together some bullshit shoe shining punches along with a couple decent hooks that gave him this round clearly.


*Round 7: 10 – 9 Leonard
Leonard continues his tactics from the last round, but Duran is given more freedom to work in this round, most notably the second half. First half of the round was Leonard's, second half even.


*Round 8: 9 – 10 Duran
Close round. When Leonard uses his jab, he's in control and winning the round. Problem is, he isn't consistent. And when he stops using it, Duran closes the distance and lands his big bombs. Leonard is usually even with Duran on the inside, up until the end of the round. At the end, Duran clearly got the harder punches in (most notably that sucker right hand).


Round 9: 9 – 10 Duran
Leonard took a lot of this round off, and Duran just outworked him. Duran did a very job of slipping underneath of Leonard's punches this round.


Round 10: 10 – 9 Leonard
Competitive but clear round for Leonard. He utilized his boxing ability well and managed to not get caught with any huge punches, aside from a couple decent body shots.


Round 11: 10 – 9 Leonard
This round was all combinations. Aside from body positioning and head movement, defense was pretty much out the window. Leonard won it because he was busier.


*Round 12: 10 – 10 Even
I saw nothing to indicate either fighter really won this round.


*Round 13: 9 – 10 Duran
Wow. Not much in the first half of the round aside from a big left hook by Duran, but the second half? Bomb, after bomb, after bomb, after bomb. Leonard took a terrible amount of punishment in the second half of this round despite the back and forth action, YET, Leonard managed to finish stronger and even hurt Duran. But, it wasn't enough to steal the round. I'm actually rather baffled at how Leonard seemed to walk through all the big punches Duran hit him with this round.


Round 14: 10 – 9 Leonard
Leonard's determination from the end of the last round continued over into this one. Duran also seemingly took his foot off the gas this round. In response, Leonard put his signature on the round via “his” famous bolo punch.


Round 15: 10 – 9 Leonard
Um, Duran apparently thought he was way ahead in this round, because he decided he didn't have to throw any punches. Leonard won the round on activity alone.




Final Score: 7 – 6 – 2 Leonard (144 – 143)




Score Variances:
Scoring all the starred rounds to fighter 1: 12 – 3 Leonard
Scoring all the starred rounds even: 6 – 3 – 6 Leonard
Scoring all the starred rounds to fighter 2: 6 – 9 Duran

You guys need to jump off Duran's nutsack. The fight was close. There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing Barkley won.

Some of the people voting here don't even remember the damn fight, count on it.
It was competetive but Duran won the knock down clinched it. Don't have any doubt that Duran won the 1st Leonard fight either. Do wonder about those who think he would have beaten Hagler over 12 though.

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Final Score: 7 – 6 – 2 Leonard (144 – 143)


Geez, ask and ye shall receive. I think I see where you're coming from, although I don't agree. I don't have the fight memorized, but I think you're more intuned to Leonard's sharp punches than Duran's aggression, which is a common thing for judging among best to worst. I imagine you had the Taylor-Chavez fight scored for Taylor by a wider margin than I did, for example. I think the difference in opinion may come from from the fact that in the majority of the fight I felt Duran imposed his will on Leonard, which put Duran in a easier position to win rounds by executing his game plan. I consider "making a fighter fight your fight" to be a scorable aspect of boxing, if that makes any sense.

Geez, ask and ye shall receive. I think I see where you're coming from, although I don't agree. I don't have the fight memorized, but I think you're more intuned to Leonard's sharp punches than Duran's aggression, which is a common thing for judging among best to worst. I imagine you had the Taylor-Chavez fight scored for Taylor by a wider margin than I did, for example. I think the difference in opinion may come from from the fact that in the majority of the fight I felt Duran imposed his will on Leonard, which put Duran in a easier position to win rounds by executing his game plan. I consider "making a fighter fight your fight" to be a scorable aspect of boxing, if that makes any sense.

I gave Duran points for the same thing. But clean punches is to be placed above all. And Leonard clearly took that department over in the middle rounds.

I think it was a close fight, but Duran's cleaner shots and knockdown clinched it

I gave Duran points for the same thing. But clean punches is to be placed above all. And Leonard clearly took that department over in the middle rounds.

In this case, I think there were more "clean" punches by Duran and less "cleaner" punches by Leonard. By that I mean Leonard's punches just look better than Duran's, and most fighters punches for that matter. Duran landed a lot of short, ugly, mauling punches in clinches in that fight, which I score as much as Leonard's prettier punches from a distance. I'm not trying to argue or change anyone's mind, just stating how I scored it.
I remember when I finally got a tape of the full Leonard-Hearns fight instead of seeing the "we now advance to round 9" version on TV, and I would score a round for Leonard, and think "wait a minute", rewind and watch the round again and see that Hearns landed the harder punches, the more effective punches and more of them, but Leonard's were so showy compared to Hearns awkward delivery that Leonard's seemeed to highlight the round. Same was certainly true with Leonard-Hagler, although I still scored that for Leonard, 7-5.

I felt the knockdown won the fight for Duran, close fight.

I am positive that Duran won that fight. Barkley had his moments, but he never really came close to seriously hurting Duran or dropping him while Duran did just that to him in the 11th round. I can't see why anybody thinks Barkley won this fight.

Duran won... i have never heard anyone claim otherwise

It would be nice if there was an alternate commentary for that fight, as part of the controversey I think is due to Al Bernstein being a notorious Duran hater, and Gil Clancy never forgiving Duran for the beatdown her put on his fighter, Ken Buchannon.

Bernstein hates Duran? any examples of him and Clancy putting Duran down?

I disagree entirely with anyone who thinks Duran lost either of those fights.. He upset Leonard convincingly in their 1st fight, and hurt Barkley to a degree even he hadn't experienced before..
I don't recall Duran ever getting a gift decision, apart from the one where he was allowed to stop Kenny Buchannon with an uppercut to the bollocks!

Bernstein hates Duran? any examples of him and Clancy putting Duran down?

Clancy brought up the Buchannon fight several times in reference to how god damned old they kept reminding us he was, and in a kind of snotty tone (Although he's such a bad color man I may have misinterpreted), not to mention constantly mentioning how tired Duran looked (I thought he looked fresh considering the hard action in the fight, and he was certainly no more tired than Barkley), and how Duran "may have gotten a third wind". Bernstein never really states anything matter of fact, saying things like "This has been one of the better fights of the last 2 years, in this weight class. In this state. Involving a white fighter and a Mexican fighter", always hedging everything he says like he's too astute to be impressed or something. I always remember him saying round 1 of Hagler-Hearns was "perhaps one of the best in middleweight history". Perhaps? Middleweight history? Ya think?
In the pre-fight for Duran-Barkley he hinted that this fight was a joke, saying sarcastically "I guess this will be fight of the year" (Guess what, Al. It was.). And he just can't get over the fact that Duran has a rep for being a rough fighter. The commentary for Duran-Moore was worse, while a bonafide legend is recapturing greatness in the ring in front of him, he's crying about Duran not getting docked points for what he thought were gratuitous fouls (I've seen worse on a regular basis. Sugar Ray Leonard?). I could be wrong, but it seems as though Bernstein has kind of a tone when he calls a Duran fight that doesn't seem very fair. Not that I want gushing man-crushes like Lampley had on De La Hoya, or Larry Merchant gushing over any fighter that bleeds and makes other fighters bleed. Or right now the big boner that Max Kellerman has for Floyd Mayweather, which may have eclipsed his unrequited love for Pernell Whitaker (or as he would say, "Pewnell Thweet Pea Whitikew"). That's why my preferences have always been Sean O'Grady, Teddy Atlas and Manny Steward. Be concise, don't shout, don't take away from the fight, don't distract me by saying something stupid.

In this case, I think there were more "clean" punches by Duran and less "cleaner" punches by Leonard. By that I mean Leonard's punches just look better than Duran's, and most fighters punches for that matter. Duran landed a lot of short, ugly, mauling punches in clinches in that fight, which I score as much as Leonard's prettier punches from a distance. I'm not trying to argue or change anyone's mind, just stating how I scored it.
I remember when I finally got a tape of the full Leonard-Hearns fight instead of seeing the "we now advance to round 9" version on TV, and I would score a round for Leonard, and think "wait a minute", rewind and watch the round again and see that Hearns landed the harder punches, the more effective punches and more of them, but Leonard's were so showy compared to Hearns awkward delivery that Leonard's seemeed to highlight the round. Same was certainly true with Leonard-Hagler, although I still scored that for Leonard, 7-5.

I also scored both Hearns fights for Hearns (even tho the first one ended before it should have) and gave Leonard a 7-5 win over Hagler.

On another note, Kellerman is only a closet Mayweather hugger. He won't come out with the slobbering until Mayweather actually beats an elite Welterweight.

What a surprise, PMP (lol, listen to that sound!:D) also sides with Obama!:rolleyes:

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Not much to choose from this round. No one really deserved to win it. Leonard didn't do much, and Duran was mostly ineffective with what he did.


Round 2: 9 – 10 Duran
Big round for Duran, he buckles Leonard early and possibly hurts him once more later in the round. Leonard has his moments near the end, but didn't do enough.


Round 3: 9 – 10 Duran
Duran continues to beat Leonard's ass again this round, hurting him in the early going.


*Round 4: 9 – 10 Duran
Once again, early in the round Leonard is caught and hurt by Duran's big right hand. That's 3 rounds in a row that he hasn't been able to avoid it, not looking good for Leonard at all. Afterwards the two exchange good body work back and forth, edge Leonard. And at the end of the round, there are some flurries and big shots landed by both fighters. Leonard appeared to get the best of it here as well (barely). So, what started as a big round for Duran, ended up pretty damn close. ...But Duran still won.


Round 5: 10 – 9 Leonard
Even round until the end, where Leonard finally put a meaningful combination together that actually made Duran back up a little.


Round 6: 10 – 9 Leonard
Leonard tied Duran up pretty well the entire round, and put together some bullshit shoe shining punches along with a couple decent hooks that gave him this round clearly.


*Round 7: 10 – 9 Leonard
Leonard continues his tactics from the last round, but Duran is given more freedom to work in this round, most notably the second half. First half of the round was Leonard's, second half even.


*Round 8: 9 – 10 Duran
Close round. When Leonard uses his jab, he's in control and winning the round. Problem is, he isn't consistent. And when he stops using it, Duran closes the distance and lands his big bombs. Leonard is usually even with Duran on the inside, up until the end of the round. At the end, Duran clearly got the harder punches in (most notably that sucker right hand).


Round 9: 9 – 10 Duran
Leonard took a lot of this round off, and Duran just outworked him. Duran did a very job of slipping underneath of Leonard's punches this round.


Round 10: 10 – 9 Leonard
Competitive but clear round for Leonard. He utilized his boxing ability well and managed to not get caught with any huge punches, aside from a couple decent body shots.


Round 11: 10 – 9 Leonard
This round was all combinations. Aside from body positioning and head movement, defense was pretty much out the window. Leonard won it because he was busier.


*Round 12: 10 – 10 Even
I saw nothing to indicate either fighter really won this round.


*Round 13: 9 – 10 Duran
Wow. Not much in the first half of the round aside from a big left hook by Duran, but the second half? Bomb, after bomb, after bomb, after bomb. Leonard took a terrible amount of punishment in the second half of this round despite the back and forth action, YET, Leonard managed to finish stronger and even hurt Duran. But, it wasn't enough to steal the round. I'm actually rather baffled at how Leonard seemed to walk through all the big punches Duran hit him with this round.


Round 14: 10 – 9 Leonard
Leonard's determination from the end of the last round continued over into this one. Duran also seemingly took his foot off the gas this round. In response, Leonard put his signature on the round via “his” famous bolo punch.


Round 15: 10 – 9 Leonard
Um, Duran apparently thought he was way ahead in this round, because he decided he didn't have to throw any punches. Leonard won the round on activity alone.




Final Score: 7 – 6 – 2 Leonard (144 – 143)




Score Variances:
Scoring all the starred rounds to fighter 1: 12 – 3 Leonard
Scoring all the starred rounds even: 6 – 3 – 6 Leonard
Scoring all the starred rounds to fighter 2: 6 – 9 Duran
Will have to watch this one again but seen this one a lot and as memory serves Leonard didn't win much before the 10th then finished strongly.
No way he won 3 of the middle rounds 5,6,7 on the spin IMO, but i'll look at it again.

Round 14: 10 – 9 Leonard
Leonard's determination from the end of the last round continued over into this one. Duran also seemingly took his foot off the gas this round. In response, Leonard put his signature on the round via “his” famous bolo punch.



Do remember that though, Obama have another look at it!
Looked good but Leonard was holding and hitting but more importantly it didn't land, it hit Duran on the elbows/forearms.

Do remember that though, Obama have another look at it!
Looked good but Leonard was holding and hitting but more importantly it didn't land, it hit Duran on the elbows/forearms.

You basing this off memory or did you just look at it again?

Also, Duran didn't do shit in the round. Doesn't even matter if it landed. It was a signature, not what won him the round.

You basing this off memory or did you just look at it again?

Also, Duran didn't do shit in the round. Doesn't even matter if it landed. It was a signature, not what won him the round.
I don't argue that Leonard won the round my point is that a lot of work that Leonard did on the inside didn't actually land.

Duran made him miss a lot it is a tricky fight to score Leonard hit an awful lot of air/hair that night.
Just looked again, it looks like forearms to me.

I don't argue that Leonard won the round my point is that a lot of work that Leonard did on the inside didn't actually land.

Duran made him miss a lot it is a tricky fight to score Leonard hit an awful lot of air/hair that night.
Just looked again, it looks like forearms to me.

I got Leonard winning the fight by 1 point. Clearly he wasn't landing half of his punches. Nonetheless, his connect percentage was better than Duran's.

I got Leonard winning the fight by 1 point. Clearly he wasn't landing half of his punches. Nonetheless, his connect percentage was better than Duran's.
We'll agree to differ my friend, I think Leonard landing half is generous.
I would say the crux is the 5,6,7th rounds I will watch the fight again but I'd be suprised if Leonard got those 3 rounds.

I also scored both Hearns fights for Hearns (even tho the first one ended before it should have) and gave Leonard a 7-5 win over Hagler.



Its called a knockout! lol

But i agree with the rest.

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Not much to choose from this round. No one really deserved to win it. Leonard didn't do much, and Duran was mostly ineffective with what he did.


Round 2: 9 – 10 Duran
Big round for Duran, he buckles Leonard early and possibly hurts him once more later in the round. Leonard has his moments near the end, but didn't do enough.


Round 3: 9 – 10 Duran
Duran continues to beat Leonard's ass again this round, hurting him in the early going.


*Round 4: 9 – 10 Duran
Once again, early in the round Leonard is caught and hurt by Duran's big right hand. That's 3 rounds in a row that he hasn't been able to avoid it, not looking good for Leonard at all. Afterwards the two exchange good body work back and forth, edge Leonard. And at the end of the round, there are some flurries and big shots landed by both fighters. Leonard appeared to get the best of it here as well (barely). So, what started as a big round for Duran, ended up pretty damn close. ...But Duran still won.


Round 5: 10 – 9 Leonard
Even round until the end, where Leonard finally put a meaningful combination together that actually made Duran back up a little.


Round 6: 10 – 9 Leonard
Leonard tied Duran up pretty well the entire round, and put together some bullshit shoe shining punches along with a couple decent hooks that gave him this round clearly.


*Round 7: 10 – 9 Leonard
Leonard continues his tactics from the last round, but Duran is given more freedom to work in this round, most notably the second half. First half of the round was Leonard's, second half even.


*Round 8: 9 – 10 Duran
Close round. When Leonard uses his jab, he's in control and winning the round. Problem is, he isn't consistent. And when he stops using it, Duran closes the distance and lands his big bombs. Leonard is usually even with Duran on the inside, up until the end of the round. At the end, Duran clearly got the harder punches in (most notably that sucker right hand).


Round 9: 9 – 10 Duran
Leonard took a lot of this round off, and Duran just outworked him. Duran did a very job of slipping underneath of Leonard's punches this round.


Round 10: 10 – 9 Leonard
Competitive but clear round for Leonard. He utilized his boxing ability well and managed to not get caught with any huge punches, aside from a couple decent body shots.


Round 11: 10 – 9 Leonard
This round was all combinations. Aside from body positioning and head movement, defense was pretty much out the window. Leonard won it because he was busier.


*Round 12: 10 – 10 Even
I saw nothing to indicate either fighter really won this round.


*Round 13: 9 – 10 Duran
Wow. Not much in the first half of the round aside from a big left hook by Duran, but the second half? Bomb, after bomb, after bomb, after bomb. Leonard took a terrible amount of punishment in the second half of this round despite the back and forth action, YET, Leonard managed to finish stronger and even hurt Duran. But, it wasn't enough to steal the round. I'm actually rather baffled at how Leonard seemed to walk through all the big punches Duran hit him with this round.


Round 14: 10 – 9 Leonard
Leonard's determination from the end of the last round continued over into this one. Duran also seemingly took his foot off the gas this round. In response, Leonard put his signature on the round via “his” famous bolo punch.


Round 15: 10 – 9 Leonard
Um, Duran apparently thought he was way ahead in this round, because he decided he didn't have to throw any punches. Leonard won the round on activity alone.




Final Score: 7 – 6 – 2 Leonard (144 – 143)




Score Variances:
Scoring all the starred rounds to fighter 1: 12 – 3 Leonard
Scoring all the starred rounds even: 6 – 3 – 6 Leonard
Scoring all the starred rounds to fighter 2: 6 – 9 Duran

I had the 7th very close, maybe even, Leonard scored cleaner shots, but also held more.

The 10th was also very close, i dont think Leonard clearly won it and he got tagged by a good right.

I think ur wrong about the 11th. Its Duran who works throughout the round. Leonard explodes in spurts. (no homo).

12 i gave Duran by a whisker. I thought he scored more, but nothing big.

Don't bother trying to reason with Obama. Not only can he not score, he also has weird criterias about giving someone a 10-8 round, even if that guy scored a knockdown!:rolleyes:

Also I believe he is mildly racist. He also scored the first Collins-Eubank fight for Eubank!:rofl:

Just watched the Barkley - Duran fight. Il probably watch it again as it was my 1st ever viewing, but i had it 114-113 to Duran.

Great fight, and the knockdown in the 11th won it for Duran by my scoring.
Some rounds were pretty hard to score, Duran seemed to hurt Barkley more, and was connecting with cleaner punches. But Barkley bossed alot of the rounds with great work to the body. Very close fight.

The KD for Duran clinched it IMO

The KD for Duran clinched it IMO

Yeah agree there, that 10-8 round won him the fight on my scorecards.

DURAN was winning, and the knock down sealed the victory!!!!