Was it Pacquiao? http://www.canadastarboxing.com/images/fighters/Manny-Pacquiao-01-0503b.jpg

I think it is Pacquiao. The only problem is they always compare him to Bruce Lee... another small eyed asian. The world is being forced to believe that Asians should be Koreans, Japanese, Indians, Chinese and middle-eastern only. :thumbsdow

Was it Pacquiao? http://www.canadastarboxing.com/images/fighters/Manny-Pacquiao-01-0503b.jpg

I think it is Pacquiao. The only problem is they always compare him to Bruce Lee... another small eyed asian. The world is being forced to believe that Asians should be Koreans, Japanese, Indians, Chinese and middle-eastern only. :thumbsdow

Well, its no wonder you've been banned. But to answer the question....I'm going with Pacquiao now. I think he has surpassed Fighting Harada and long ago surpassed Kaosia Galaxy (sp?) and all other Asian fighters. Than again, I wouldn't be being honest if I said I had a firm grasp on all the other great fighters from that continent either.

There's a good chance it will be Pacquiao, but he's still fighting and it's too early to say..
I very much doubt it, but whose to say that he won't get humiliated and retire after his next fight.. Or what if he went on to lose his next 2 or 3?
It wouldn't be the 1st time a touted ATG has done this.. You could use the careers of Poison Junior Jones or Fernando Vargas as examples..

As it stands, I'd say Khaosai Galaxy is the greatest Asian fighter to have ever lived.. He dominated the Super Fly division throughout most of the 80's and some of the 90's to.. His record was almost identical to that of Marciano, 49 wins with 43 KO's.. The only blemish being a narrow points defeat, that occurred very early in his career..

It's a done deal. Pacquiao has a lot in the bank at this point, and I think it would take extreme circumstance for him not be the best. Proven and admitted steroid abuse, commit a murder, etc. I mainly say that because of the selling points with Pacquiao that fans and media just eat up. Knockouts, growing up in extreme poverty, considered the best p4p in the sport for however long he stays there, big match ups, multiple titles in multiple weight classes. If the 2nd best is Galaxy, then there you go. Didn't really beat anyone of note, and did he ever even fight outside of Thailand?

Here is a list (not mine) that I found and thought was pretty interesting. Opinions?

1- Masahiko "Fighting" Harada- The relentless, quick handed, strong and tenacious Japanese fighter with bulldog courage and extreme durabililty. Beat the great Pone Kingpetch for the title at age 19, lost it to Kingpetch in the rematch. He moved up to 118, was stopped by the great Jose Medel and then fought his way to the title and eventually became the only man to beat the amazing Eder Jofre, twice, both being absolutely amazing wars where both men were out on their feet and he showed his versatility in the first by boxing Jofre in the later rounds. Lost the title to Lionel Rose and never was truly world class again, though he fought and lost for the Featherweight title twice, losing to Johnny Famechon.

2- Manny Pacquiao- Not much to say that many do not already know but I will mention that at the early age of twenty he won the lineal flyweight title from the talented Saskul.

3- Pancho Villa- Maybe the greatest Filipino fighter ever, like Pacquiao fought amazing opposition early in life and became one of the only men to ever stop the legendary Jimmy Wilde. Died shortly after his loss to a seventeen year old future great Jimmy McClarnin in his last bout. One thing I do believe is his power is not properly represented by his record, his style hampered it by being so relentless he never really set down on his punches, I also think the same thing about Fighting Harada.

4- Gabriel "Flash" Elorde- Though somewhat inconsistent at times he defended his Jr. Lightweigt titles ten times and beat fighters such as Harold Gomes, Lou Bizarro, Ismael Laguna among others along with going 1-1 with the great Sandy Saddler.

5- Pone Kingpetch- Not a long career but was tall, fast, methodical and was fantastic in the rematch. Beat the greatest Flyweight of all time twice in Pascual Perez, and other greats like Fighting Harada and Hiroyuki Ebihara.

Maybe it's just me, but I think it's wrong to rate a fighters ATG status, until he is retired, or at least ancient like Hopkins, Holyfield & Jones..
Or, in other words, it would be wrong (at present) to put Wlad in a list of ATG heavyweights..
I'd say Pac's right in the middle of his prime at the moment, but imagine if Pac gets KTFO in the 1st against Cotto, & the same thing happens in the return.. OK, he'd still be an ATG, but more in the mould of Patterson, as opposed to, say Marciano or Ali..
I know this is all very unlikely, but certainly not unheard of..

Although, I'm a bit dubious about both of their resumes, (Galaxy & Marciano) Galaxy is the Marciano here.. Not only did he have 43 KO's in 49 wins, but he was also unbeaten in 19! title defenses (WBC) with 16! coming by way of KO.. Off the top of my head, only Joe Louis, and less than a handful of others, have achieved more..

Galaxy did defend outside of Thailand, he also fought in Indonesia, Japan, Korea and once in the Netherlands, where he KO'd the very useful Israel Contreras..

Although very few people know of his existence, a fight between Gilberto Roman & Galaxy would have been a very interesting match up.. Roman was the long standing 2 time WBA champ from Mexico, who was also an exceptional fighter.. I don't understand why they never had a unification bout..

Just for the record, my prediction is that Pac will beat Cotto, & go on to become the Greatest Asian Fighter whoever lived, but at the moment, I wouldn't say it's all totally 'cut and dried'..

Here is a list (not mine) that I found and thought was pretty interesting. Opinions?

1- Masahiko "Fighting" Harada- The relentless, quick handed, strong and tenacious Japanese fighter with bulldog courage and extreme durabililty. Beat the great Pone Kingpetch for the title at age 19, lost it to Kingpetch in the rematch. He moved up to 118, was stopped by the great Jose Medel and then fought his way to the title and eventually became the only man to beat the amazing Eder Jofre, twice, both being absolutely amazing wars where both men were out on their feet and he showed his versatility in the first by boxing Jofre in the later rounds. Lost the title to Lionel Rose and never was truly world class again, though he fought and lost for the Featherweight title twice, losing to Johnny Famechon.

2- Manny Pacquiao- Not much to say that many do not already know but I will mention that at the early age of twenty he won the lineal flyweight title from the talented Saskul.

3- Pancho Villa- Maybe the greatest Filipino fighter ever, like Pacquiao fought amazing opposition early in life and became one of the only men to ever stop the legendary Jimmy Wilde. Died shortly after his loss to a seventeen year old future great Jimmy McClarnin in his last bout. One thing I do believe is his power is not properly represented by his record, his style hampered it by being so relentless he never really set down on his punches, I also think the same thing about Fighting Harada.

4- Gabriel "Flash" Elorde- Though somewhat inconsistent at times he defended his Jr. Lightweigt titles ten times and beat fighters such as Harold Gomes, Lou Bizarro, Ismael Laguna among others along with going 1-1 with the great Sandy Saddler.

5- Pone Kingpetch- Not a long career but was tall, fast, methodical and was fantastic in the rematch. Beat the greatest Flyweight of all time twice in Pascual Perez, and other greats like Fighting Harada and Hiroyuki Ebihara.

Wow, this is actually a post I wrote a few months back on Y/A, it's pretty cool to see it used on another website.

Was it Pacquiao? http://www.canadastarboxing.com/images/fighters/Manny-Pacquiao-01-0503b.jpg

I think it is Pacquiao. The only problem is they always compare him to Bruce Lee... another small eyed asian. The world is being forced to believe that Asians should be Koreans, Japanese, Indians, Chinese and middle-eastern only. :thumbsdow

Pac man is the best

Wow, this is actually a post I wrote a few months back on Y/A, it's pretty cool to see it used on another website.

I would switch Pac and Harada, but I thought it was an excellent post. Nice job!

I would switch Pac and Harada, but I thought it was an excellent post. Nice job!

I rate Harada higher almost solely on his wins over Jofre, Pacquiao has accomplished more over the spread of his career but he never fought a guy nearly as good as Jofre, at least IMO (albeit a weight drained Jofre). That being said I have no problem with someone saying Pac is #1. Thanks man.

I hear the Jofre wins, but let's not forget that despite what revisonist history may tell us when Pacquiao beat Barrera, Barrera was generally considered to be the best boxer p4p in the sport (I know, I know, MAB had faded, but Jofre wasn't exactly fresh out of the gate). I'm not trying to belittle Jofre, but he gets overrated I think as a "pet" favorite (Mike McCallum comes to mind as well) due to being overlooked and ignored by the casual boxing fan. Besides, not to sound too modernist, the disputed draw and later win over JMM, wins over Morales in their 2nd and 3rd fights, and the Hatton win to me are at least comparable with 2 wins over Jofre.

after what ive seen, Pac is the best.

I hear the Jofre wins, but let's not forget that despite what revisonist history may tell us when Pacquiao beat Barrera, Barrera was generally considered to be the best boxer p4p in the sport (I know, I know, MAB had faded, but Jofre wasn't exactly fresh out of the gate). I'm not trying to belittle Jofre, but he gets overrated I think as a "pet" favorite (Mike McCallum comes to mind as well) due to being overlooked and ignored by the casual boxing fan. Besides, not to sound too modernist, the disputed draw and later win over JMM, wins over Morales in their 2nd and 3rd fights, and the Hatton win to me are at least comparable with 2 wins over Jofre.

Both wins over Jofre were debatable. Barrera was not generally considered the best in 03 BTW...Hopkins and Jones still dominated debate.

Both wins over Jofre were debatable. Barrera was not generally considered the best in 03 BTW...Hopkins and Jones still dominated debate.

Yeah, maybe according to Ring, I stand corrected. But I think MAB deserved the status over Hopkins and Jones, and I daresay most serious, non-bias boxing fans would agree. It would be a challenge to name Hopkins' opponents after Trinidad in '01 and before DLH in 2004 (I think Joppy was in there somewhere) they were so insignificant, and everyone has talked about RJJ's opposition. In any case, I'll take Pacquiao's MAB win over Harada's Jofre win any day of the week.

Im glad to see nobody mentioned Amir Khan.lol

Anyone heard the phone call about his car for sale, V funny. Amir knan alloys.

If Pacquiao loses his next 3 fights this all changes very quickly.

If Pacquiao loses his next 3 fights this all changes very quickly.

I disagree. If he is the greatest Asian fighter now it has to be based on what he's already accomplished. Nothing can erase that, especially considering how far in weight he has climbed successfully.

Pacquiao clearly at this point. Other mentions would be Galaxy, Harada, maybe Tszyu (who was mostly Asian blooded).

Pacquiao clearly at this point. Other mentions would be Galaxy, Harada, maybe Tszyu (who was mostly Asian blooded).

Not the best, but I think Pancho Villa has to rank pretty high.

Not the best, but I think Pancho Villa has to rank pretty high.

It's hard to evaluate Villa. His legacy is a combination of the win over Wilde, and the incredibly large number of fights given his age at his untimely death. He usually got the nod over Pacquiao for Filipino fighters until recently. I would probably go with Galaxy as the #2 currently.

It's hard to evaluate Villa. His legacy is a combination of the win over Wilde, and the incredibly large number of fights given his age at his untimely death. He usually got the nod over Pacquiao for Filipino fighters until recently. I would probably go with Galaxy as the #2 currently.

Im partial to Fighting Harada for the 2 spot. But admittedly I am not well versed with Galaxy's career or opponents.

No Doubt, it's the PACMAN!

pancho villa

pancho villa

Explanation, please.

I'd say Manny, followed by Fighting Harada

Both wins over Jofre were debatable. Barrera was not generally considered the best in 03 BTW...Hopkins and Jones still dominated debate.

Some would debate them but they were wins for him. Close, but clear wins. The first one was much closer than the second one anyway. Great fights though.

Harada was always very exciting to watch. A madman. His fights with Rose and Famechon were brilliant, made even better because the Aussies won. :lol1:

Tsk. It has got to be Manny Pacquiao. Just look at his accomplishments. :D

thanx for the very interesting thread

Some would debate them but they were wins for him. Close, but clear wins. The first one was much closer than the second one anyway. Great fights though.

Harada was always very exciting to watch. A madman. His fights with Rose and Famechon were brilliant, made even better because the Aussies won. :lol1:
I'm a big fan of Famechon, and I know that you Aussies won't have a French word said about him lol..
I have within my collection of memorabilia, 3 framed telegrams that were sent to Freddie Mills as 'Good Luck' messages, b4 his 1944 fight with Bert Gilroy.. One of them in fact, is from his Mother! I believe they were at one time, in the posession of an Australian, because each one has been signed by Johnny Famechon, and I was amazed at the fine quality of his handwriting.. Much like his fighting style, it is neat, precise and accurate.. Just thought I'd share that with you...

I'm a big fan of Famechon, and I know that you Aussies won't have a French word said about him lol..
I have within my collection of memorabilia, 3 framed telegrams that were sent to Freddie Mills as 'Good Luck' messages, b4 his 1944 fight with Bert Gilroy.. One of them in fact, is from his Mother! I believe they were at one time, in the posession of an Australian, because each one has been signed by Johnny Famechon, and I was amazed at the fine quality of his handwriting.. Much like his fighting style, it is neat, precise and accurate.. Just thought I'd share that with you...

:lol1:

Damn right about that cobber! Those bloody frogs.

Still, that's cool. Yeah, his fighting was very precise. Amazing defense. He had that shoulder roll down pat, and was impossible to catch in the corner. He had some of the slipperiest ducking, spinning etc. I've seen by any fighter. A real underrated defensive specialist.

:lol1:

Damn right about that cobber! Those bloody frogs.

Still, that's cool. Yeah, his fighting was very precise. Amazing defense. He had that shoulder roll down pat, and was impossible to catch in the corner. He had some of the slipperiest ducking, spinning etc. I've seen by any fighter. A real underrated defensive specialist.
Haha, Fair Dinkum mate! Probably where Toney got it from...

What is the criteria of being the best?
Is fame one of them?

Pacquiao is Famous, has won a lot of championship belts, he is the Pound for pound king today. No doubt it was Pacquiao! :fing02:

Its not even up for a debate. Pacquiao has beaten not the best of his division but fighters that are recognized as the sports very best.

1. Barrera I
2. Morales II
3. Hatton
4. Marquez II
5. Dela Hoya

See their comments? It has to be a Japanese.
Filipino the best Asian boxer ??? Naaah

Filipinos are not even allowed to win in the Olympics that's why they cheated and Onyok Velasco just got a Silver.

Its not even up for a debate. Pacquiao has beaten not the best of his division but fighters that are recognized as the sports very best.

1. Barrera I
2. Morales II
3. Hatton
4. Marquez II
5. Dela Hoya

So has Harada. He was the only fighter to beat a recognised guy that is much higher than each and every one of those fighters on the P4P list.

Pac fought in much more divisions (although not necessarily beating any fighters that were genuinely bigger) and has more titles, but I don't actually think he fought anyone that was better than the guys Harada fought.

Still, with more titles etc etc, comes greater things so it's hard to say anyone but Pac is now the best.

So has Harada. He was the only fighter to beat a recognised guy that is much higher than each and every one of those fighters on the P4P list.

Pac fought in much more divisions (although not necessarily beating any fighters that were genuinely bigger) and has more titles, but I don't actually think he fought anyone that was better than the guys Harada fought.

Still, with more titles etc etc, comes greater things so it's hard to say anyone but Pac is now the best.

Honestly i thought Barrera 1 was the ULTIMATE for Pacquiao. What he did from that point elimates any thought that Harada accomplished more than him in the ring.

He could have stayed at 126 forever and beat the toughest fighter there but is that the more chalenging route to greatness?

in response to the bolded
Are you saying that the 2003 version of Marco Antonio Barrera is not better than the Fighters in HArada's resume?

Honestly i thought Barrera 1 was the ULTIMATE for Pacquiao. What he did from that point elimates any thought that Harada accomplished more than him in the ring.

He could have stayed at 126 forever and beat the toughest fighter there but is that the more chalenging route to greatness?

in response to the bolded
Are you saying that the 2003 version of Marco Antonio Barrera is not better than the Fighters in HArada's resume?

I don't think anybody on Pacs resume is better than Jofre, but I agree he has surpassed Harada in Legacy and overall accomplishments.

Pacqiuaos from phillipines not asia....****in hell....

Pacqiuaos from phillipines not asia....****in hell....

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Yup......you got there before me. :dunno:

Im going with Pac on this one :)

There is no doubt now. This is Pac and your Japanese guy ->:nutkick:

Pacqiuaos from phillipines not asia....****in hell....

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SOUTHEAST ASIA DUDE!

You won't see a filipino looking ASIAN in Hollywood...

"Let's put an asian in this film"
Automatically, they will put a woman with small eyes in chinese dress!!! There are more Countries in Asia than China.

Fighter Harada was the greatest asian fighter prior to Pacman. Harada was overall better than Galaxy. If you look at film footage between the two you will see that Harada had better technical skill. Galaxy was more flat footed and counterpuncher with great power and muaythai fighting power.
Harada was champ flyweight and bantam, and a controversial loss at featherweight for the championship.

Obviously as stated, unless something comes up questioning pac's achievements he is the greatest asian fighter hands down.