New reports are, Wladimir Klitschko will face Eliseo Castillo on the 4-23-05 date. What are your thoughts one this fight?

Does Eliseo Castillo have a good punch because if he does Wlad could be in trouble.

hhhmmm, he's 18-0 with 14 KOs and his last fight was a decision over michael moorer.... other than moorer, he hasnt beaten anyone of note, but beating moorer is better than anything meehan or rahman have done lately....

I was actually very impressed with Eliseo Castillo against Moorer. He's a very well schooled boxer (product of the Cuban amateur system) and bounced well on his feet the entirety of the fight staying out of Moorer's punching distance. He also has pretty quick hands and picked his spots well to mix it up. Vlad did own Byrd put that was before and I'm not sure what's left of anymore. I'm actually going out on a limb and picking Castillo to decision him

It's hard to say I feel like Wlad's carreer is nearing its end. However like what guru has said.... He hasn't beaten anybody in a higher caliber yet except for Moorer.

unless wlad himself quits, i dont think his career is even close to over... look at how long golota has been able to hang around and he's NEVER beaten anyone... wlad is very marketable, i.e. big white guy, with power and has a big folowing.... even if you dont like him, you have to admit he's much more entertaining to watch then most heavey's, even when he loses

If any of you are betting folk, I would bet against Wlad in every fight he has now till he retires. Wlad shouldnt even be boxing anymore IMO. He has a bad chin. He has bad stamina. And he has real confidence issues. All three are recipes for disaster. Castillo is capable of beating him.

The whole focus of the Castillo fight, at least what I remember, was how it was over for Moorer. Then Moorer KOs Jirov. I need to go back and rewatch the fight. I do remember Moorer won like one round of a scheduled ten. I wouldn't put money on this fight either way.

this fight prob wont happen, wlads recent matchups have all fallen through. anyway it would prob be a good fight but i would bet against wlad because he hasnt looked good since before sanders.

If any of you are betting folk, I would bet against Wlad in every fight he has now till he retires. Wlad shouldnt even be boxing anymore IMO. He has a bad chin. He has bad stamina. And he has real confidence issues. All three are recipes for disaster. Castillo is capable of beating him.

A Tito fan is giving lectures on weak chins. :rolleyes:

The whole focus of the Castillo fight, at least what I remember, was how it was over for Moorer. Then Moorer KOs Jirov. I need to go back and rewatch the fight. I do remember Moorer won like one round of a scheduled ten. I wouldn't put money on this fight either way.

Yeah true, but what was the score when Moorer TKO'd Jirov? 78-71, 79-71, 77-73. Its going to be interesting to see at what weight Castillo comes into this fight though because in his last 5 fights he's weighed in anywhere from 215-231 lbs.

A Tito fan is giving lectures on weak chins. :rolleyes:


......Ah newbies, ya can't live with em and ya can't kill em.

At least this fight would be more interesting than the hug and mug contest between Ruiz and Toney. I hope they will televise it on HBO or Showtime.

Castillo is a pretty decent boxer but he has pillowfists. He fought an old Michael Moorer and outboxed him but couldn't Knock him out, and Moorer has a pretty weak chin!

A featherfisted fighter will be demolished by Wlad.

This would be a decent fight to watch, better than say Rahman-Meehan or Bruster-Golota.

... Moorer has a pretty weak chin!


really?







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Castillo is a pretty decent boxer but he has pillowfists. He fought an old Michael Moorer and outboxed him but couldn't Knock him out, and Moorer has a pretty weak chin!

A featherfisted fighter will be demolished by Wlad.

Did you see the fight? If so did he at any time ever have Moorer hurt?

It does not matter dude. Every heavyweight sucks compared to Tyson. :rolleyes:

I think you mean Byrd. :buttkick:

Wlad KO 5. Good confidence booster for him

Castillo will win this fight...unless Wlad somehow goes the distance, then Castillo'll just get ****ed out of the decision.

I expect Castillo to knock Wlad out. He knows Wlad's chin now, and heart, so he'll come in confident and should win. Let's put it this way, Castillo is probably better than Lamon Brewster, so...yeah, Castillo has a very damn good chance.

I won't be shocked if Klitschko wins, cause yeah Castillo hasn't beat anyone good, but then again, Klitschko hasn't really since 2002, if you count McCline, Mercer, and Botha. Mercer is probably Klitschko's best win, besides Byrd, ever.

Castillo will win this fight...unless Wlad somehow goes the distance, then Castillo'll just get ****ed out of the decision.

I expect Castillo to knock Wlad out. He knows Wlad's chin now, and heart, so he'll come in confident and should win. Let's put it this way, Castillo is probably better than Lamon Brewster, so...yeah, Castillo has a very damn good chance.

I won't be shocked if Klitschko wins, cause yeah Castillo hasn't beat anyone good, but then again, Klitschko hasn't really since 2002, if you count McCline, Mercer, and Botha. Mercer is probably Klitschko's best win, besides Byrd, ever.

I'm of the opinion that Klitchko will come into the ring with the intent to make a statement, and put on a big performance. After all, with his last few fights, wouldn't you? It wouldn't surprise me if it ended with Vlad winning by a 1st round KO. He has the offensive skill, and the power, he's just been missing his confidence since his loss to Sanders. If he doesn't come out and perform spectacularly in this fight, he needs to rethink his committment to the sport.

It wouldn't surprise me if it ended with Vlad winning by a 1st round KO. .

Nor would I be the least bit suprised. Game fighter, Game contender. Flawed like any other heavyweight is. People say: his chin and stamina sucks. Well, ok. Those are his flaws. I can name a few also.

His brother: Akward, slow.
Toney: Fat, Short.
Byrd: featherfisted, undersized.
Mesi: chin, slow.
Ruiz: unskilled, retarded, clinchy
McCline: strange compact punches and odd noises.
Peter: Slow, lacking stamina (the lean foward clinch).
Tyson: Overrated, undersized, folds.
Golota: his conscience.

Castillo is a pretty decent boxer but he has pillowfists. He fought an old Michael Moorer and outboxed him but couldn't Knock him out, and Moorer has a pretty weak chin!

A featherfisted fighter will be demolished by Wlad.


I don't know, I didn't see the Moorer-Holy fight but the other two losses were to fighters with huge punches. I mean, Foreman has the type of power even now that can have you in big trouble no matter what part of the head he lands on, if it's a clean punch, and I won't even talk about Tua. I agree with you though, Wlad's just too big and has pretty fast hands for his size as well as big power. But he really needs to force the action early and end this fight in abrupt fashion the way he used to, at least then it would answer one question, "Does he still want to fight?" This coming from a Klit fan.

Nor would I be the least bit suprised. Game fighter, Game contender. Flawed like any other heavyweight is. People say: his chin and stamina sucks. Well, ok. Those are his flaws. I can name a few also.

His brother: Akward, slow.
Toney: Fat, Short.
Byrd: featherfisted, undersized.
Mesi: chin, slow.
Ruiz: unskilled, retarded, clinchy
McCline: strange compact punches and odd noises.
Peter: Slow, lacking stamina (the lean foward clinch).
Tyson: Overrated, undersized, folds.
Golota: his conscience.

Hahaha, odd noises.

I'm of the opinion that Klitchko will come into the ring with the intent to make a statement, and put on a big performance. After all, with his last few fights, wouldn't you? It wouldn't surprise me if it ended with Vlad winning by a 1st round KO. He has the offensive skill, and the power, he's just been missing his confidence since his loss to Sanders. If he doesn't come out and perform spectacularly in this fight, he needs to rethink his committment to the sport.

I don't know man when Wlad tries to make statements he punches himself out. It that's what he tries, Castillo better have a weak chin.

I saw the Moorer / Castillo fight. Castillo looked fast and strong but he looked inexperienced, and didn't seem to have more than average HW power. I think Moorer looked bad more than Castillo looked good.

Castillo may have a bright future but I think he's several fights away from being ready for a top ten opponent. This should be a good chance for Wlad to gain some confidence.

Nor would I be the least bit suprised. Game fighter, Game contender. Flawed like any other heavyweight is. People say: his chin and stamina sucks. Well, ok. Those are his flaws. I can name a few also.

His brother: Akward, slow.
Toney: Fat, Short.
Byrd: featherfisted, undersized.
Mesi: chin, slow.
Ruiz: unskilled, retarded, clinchy
McCline: strange compact punches and odd noises.
Peter: Slow, lacking stamina (the lean foward clinch).
Tyson: Overrated, undersized, folds.
Golota: his conscience.
?.....lol......What kind of funny noises?

Wlad by TKO 8. experience wins this fight.

......Ah newbies, ya can't live with em and ya can't kill em.

Hey man, you know he was right. It just absolutely boggles the mind how you guys will jump on an illogical bandwagon, i.e. Wlad has a bad chin/stamina.

Every time someone spouts this nonsense, I wanna just reach into the computer screen and pull the idiot out and put my foot in his ass.

Wlad, my friends, has NEITHER a bad chin or bad stamina, and you would have to be a doofus to think so. All you have to do is look at his previous fights. The man has gone well into the later rounds without trouble in many fights.

And a weak chin? You can't be serious. The shot he took from Sanders would have knocked out anyone. Except for someone with a really stiff chin like Tyson. And Brewster didnt knock the man out. Wlad handed him his ass for the entire fight before the drugs he was given in his water kicked in. What Brewster did was just hit a man that was unable to defend himself because he had been drugged. And if you dont think he was drugged, and you dont think that things like that happen in the world of pro-boxing, then you really know nothing of how the real world works. He was drugged, get over it.

But my preaching is done. I will let Wlad's future fights and ultimate belt-holding speak for itself. And when he does have a couple belts in hand, and defends them successfully, I expect you Wlad haters to forever shut your know-nothing traps.

i like wlad, but the drugged theory is just that a theory... i dont know what happened, but saying that he was drugged without any real evedince sounds like a bad excuse...

at the same time i agree with you that wlad has shown a decent chin and heart by getting up from several knockdown's and has shown good stamina by brutalizing mercer and byrd with lots of punches even later rounds...

what happened against brewster, i dunno, i just hope he rebounds and becomes the pre-sanders wlad... a few good wins and he'd right back in the thick things just like rahman and barret....

Hey man, you know he was right. It just absolutely boggles the mind how you guys will jump on an illogical bandwagon, i.e. Wlad has a bad chin/stamina.

Every time someone spouts this nonsense, I wanna just reach into the computer screen and pull the idiot out and put my foot in his ass.

Wlad, my friends, has NEITHER a bad chin or bad stamina, and you would have to be a doofus to think so. All you have to do is look at his previous fights. The man has gone well into the later rounds without trouble in many fights.

And a weak chin? You can't be serious. The shot he took from Sanders would have knocked out anyone. Except for someone with a really stiff chin like Tyson. And Brewster didnt knock the man out. Wlad handed him his ass for the entire fight before the drugs he was given in his water kicked in. What Brewster did was just hit a man that was unable to defend himself because he had been drugged. And if you dont think he was drugged, and you dont think that things like that happen in the world of pro-boxing, then you really know nothing of how the real world works. He was drugged, get over it.

But my preaching is done. I will let Wlad's future fights and ultimate belt-holding speak for itself. And when he does have a couple belts in hand, and defends them successfully, I expect you Wlad haters to forever shut your know-nothing traps.
........WOW

Hey man, you know he was right. It just absolutely boggles the mind how you guys will jump on an illogical bandwagon, i.e. Wlad has a bad chin/stamina.

Every time someone spouts this nonsense, I wanna just reach into the computer screen and pull the idiot out and put my foot in his ass.

Wlad, my friends, has NEITHER a bad chin or bad stamina, and you would have to be a doofus to think so. All you have to do is look at his previous fights. The man has gone well into the later rounds without trouble in many fights.

And a weak chin? You can't be serious. The shot he took from Sanders would have knocked out anyone. Except for someone with a really stiff chin like Tyson. And Brewster didnt knock the man out. Wlad handed him his ass for the entire fight before the drugs he was given in his water kicked in. What Brewster did was just hit a man that was unable to defend himself because he had been drugged. And if you dont think he was drugged, and you dont think that things like that happen in the world of pro-boxing, then you really know nothing of how the real world works. He was drugged, get over it.

But my preaching is done. I will let Wlad's future fights and ultimate belt-holding speak for itself. And when he does have a couple belts in hand, and defends them successfully, I expect you Wlad haters to forever shut your know-nothing traps.
Man, relax...
I also felt bad when wlad got knocked in Brewster fight but all this drug theory, even though seems bearable(in terms of happening), does not have any real evidence. So for now let Wlad's fists do the talking. As for prediction I still would go with Wlad by tko in middle to late rounds. For me the most important statement would be that he can go the distance and ko somebody in late rounds. This would be the ultimate evidance that Brewster fight was rigged.
As for now, we wait abd pray.
P.S. Dont pay attention to the haters, they are just haters-- the inferior creatures.

i think castillo is a dangerous opponent, he's undefeated and beat moorer... brewster before fightin wlad hadn't beaten anyone even close to moorer... i would have rather seen wlad fight sergie or moorer...

A Tito fan is giving lectures on weak chins. :rolleyes:

Dude, Wlad is done man. I know there are a couple of fans left, but to be scared of TOS like he was is laughable. No disrespect, but P4P, I think Tito has a way better chin than Wlad.

Dude, Wlad is done man. I know there are a couple of fans left, but to be scared of TOS like he was is laughable. No disrespect, but P4P, I think Tito has a way better chin than Wlad.

Apparently you are confusing Wlad with TOS. TOS was the one who running away from Wlad the whole fight. Yeah I agree Tito has a much better chin than Wlad. I mean Wlad has been KD in 3 fights, but Tito has only been KD in 7 fights. :buttkick:

And knocked out be a weak puncher in Hopkins :loser:

And knocked out be a weak puncher in Hopkins :loser:

It took twelve rounds for Hopkins to beat down Trinidad. It only took one punch from Sanders and Brewster to KTFO of Wlad. I hope this answers all questions. :boxing:

I hope Wlad is KO`ed once and and for all and lets us get on with the heavyweight division!

my hope is for wlad to put on a dominating performacne, i sill think he's one of the most skille boxers in the HW division

I hope Wlad is KO`ed once and and for all and lets us get on with the heavyweight division!


...Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part but I sense an urgency(career) and also a calmness with confidence in Wlad's body language and his interviews lately. According to Steward he thinks that he and Wlad are completely on the same page now. I predict that Wlad re-explodes back onto the heavyweight scene and all of the **** talkers are gonna be running for cover. In a sense I feel that if Vitali faced adversity, Wlad may really step up. On the other hand, if he loses clean in his next fight it's over.

It took twelve rounds for Hopkins to beat down Trinidad. It only took one punch from Sanders and Brewster to KTFO of Wlad. I hope this answers all questions. :boxing:

Not really. Not sure why the comparison between Hopkins/Tito and Sanders/Vlad. Sanders hits as hard (or harder) as any heavyweight on the planet right now still fighting, and has better handspeed as well. He's an expert at making a hole for those lightning-quick straight lefts early in a fight (hence the name, Sniper) and he pounded Vlad with several of them, and Vlad reacted like most anyone else would've when hit with power like that....he fell down.

Vlad Klitchko may be done, or he may not be. The jury is still out on that one. His chin may be questionable also, but it's hard to say at this point, because he lost all his confidence when Sanders gave him that beating and still hasn't gotten it back, which showed in his ring performances since then.

Give him another fight or 3 and see what happens. If he continues to disappoint, then we can write him off as a lost-cause, or a "coulda-woulda-shoulda" been and move on. Until then, I think I'll just be patient and see what happens, if that's ok with you fellas.

Sanders rocked Rahman with a left and Rahman fell back and grabbed the ropes which should have been ruled a knockdown. Luckily for Rahman he escaped that fight with a TKO because Sanders fat body was not in shape and his stamina feel apart late in the fight. My point is comparing Sanders left with anything Hopkins throws is utterly ridiculous.

unless wlad himself quits, i dont think his career is even close to over... look at how long golota has been able to hang around and he's NEVER beaten anyone... wlad is very marketable, i.e. big white guy, with power and has a big folowing.... even if you dont like him, you have to admit he's much more entertaining to watch then most heavey's, even when he loses

You are always trying to slag off Golota my man, saying he has never beaten anybody of note. HE beat the living crap out of former Undisputed Heavyweight Champion Riddick Bowe twice ending his career.

Not really. Not sure why the comparison between Hopkins/Tito and Sanders/Vlad. Sanders hits as hard (or harder) as any heavyweight on the planet right now still fighting, and has better handspeed as well. He's an expert at making a hole for those lightning-quick straight lefts early in a fight (hence the name, Sniper) and he pounded Vlad with several of them, and Vlad reacted like most anyone else would've when hit with power like that....he fell down.

Vlad Klitchko may be done, or he may not be. The jury is still out on that one. His chin may be questionable also, but it's hard to say at this point, because he lost all his confidence when Sanders gave him that beating and still hasn't gotten it back, which showed in his ring performances since then.

Give him another fight or 3 and see what happens. If he continues to disappoint, then we can write him off as a lost-cause, or a "coulda-woulda-shoulda" been and move on. Until then, I think I'll just be patient and see what happens, if that's ok with you fellas.


Very well said, Stickman. Have some Karma.

Not really. Not sure why the comparison between Hopkins/Tito and Sanders/Vlad. Sanders hits as hard (or harder) as any heavyweight on the planet right now still fighting, and has better handspeed as well. He's an expert at making a hole for those lightning-quick straight lefts early in a fight (hence the name, Sniper) and he pounded Vlad with several of them, and Vlad reacted like most anyone else would've when hit with power like that....he fell down.

Vlad Klitchko may be done, or he may not be. The jury is still out on that one. His chin may be questionable also, but it's hard to say at this point, because he lost all his confidence when Sanders gave him that beating and still hasn't gotten it back, which showed in his ring performances since then.

Give him another fight or 3 and see what happens. If he continues to disappoint, then we can write him off as a lost-cause, or a "coulda-woulda-shoulda" been and move on. Until then, I think I'll just be patient and see what happens, if that's ok with you fellas.

Very Perceptive - Karma+

You are always trying to slag off Golota my man, saying he has never beaten anybody of note. HE beat the living crap out of former Undisputed Heavyweight Champion Riddick Bowe twice ending his career.


OK, he beat bowe up, but did he win??? when has he ever won?? is golota a good fighter? yes, he is, but he's also a habitual loser, he always finds a way to lose and he's a quitter.. list his big wins??????? i'm sorry, there are none....

You are always trying to slag off Golota my man, saying he has never beaten anybody of note. HE beat the living crap out of former Undisputed Heavyweight Champion Riddick Bowe twice ending his career.


I agree with you on this point, McKay, I too feel that Golota has been robbed the last two outings and is definitely in the top five or six heavies out there right now. He has excellent conditioning (we saw this when he went the distance with Tyrd) and he has good power (we saw this when he put little Johnny boy on his ass in the second round of their fight, although I dont understand why he didnt go for the kill afte that kd). I think we will see Golota mop the floor with Brewster, and then fight (and lose to) Vitali for another belt.

OK, he beat bowe up, but did he win??? when has he ever won?? is golota a good fighter? yes, he is, but he's also a habitual loser, he always finds a way to lose and he's a quitter.. list his big wins??????? i'm sorry, there are none....


You're just splitting hairs here, guru. You said yourself something we all know, he beat up Bowe. Yes, his temper got the best of him and he lost, but we all know who the better boxer is, dont we?

And as far as Im concerned, he didn't "find a way" to lose to Byrd (a draw actually), IMO, he whipped Byrd like a red headed stepchild. And the general consensus on his performance against Ruiz is that he beat Ruiz, hands down. Hell, he knocked the man down twice, and the Hugger had point taken away, and still they gifted him a victory. Come one. We all know the pro boxing world is a corrupt one. And it shouldnt be much of a stretch to think that the judges were bought and paid for in that fight, and if you can make that leap in logic, it shouldnt be hard for you to see the plausibility of Wlad having been drugged during the fight with Brewster.

You're just splitting hairs here, guru. You said yourself something we all know, he beat up Bowe. Yes, his temper got the best of him and he lost, but we all know who the better boxer is, dont we?

And as far as Im concerned, he didn't "find a way" to lose to Byrd (a draw actually), IMO, he whipped Byrd like a red headed stepchild. And the general consensus on his performance against Ruiz is that he beat Ruiz, hands down. Hell, he knocked the man down twice, and the Hugger had point taken away, and still they gifted him a victory. Come one. We all know the pro boxing world is a corrupt one. And it shouldnt be much of a stretch to think that the judges were bought and paid for in that fight, and if you can make that leap in logic, it shouldnt be hard for you to see the plausibility of Wlad having been drugged during the fight with Brewster.


i agree its plausible that happened to wlad, but with nothing concrete i'm not going use it as an excuse... and i also agree that golota is a good fighter that should have beaten bowe twice.... but there is also plenty of evidence to suggest that golota is an underachiever, a quitter and a career loser...

i think golota is three times the fighter brewster is, but i wouldn't bet a penny on him.... he could kill brewster for 9 rounds, get caught by one left hook and quit like he did against grant....

Golota has had a lot of close fights, he's made some bad choices, and he's had some bad luck. IMO - He won the fight against Byrd and should be IBF champ. You could also argue that he beat Ruiz. I won't be surprised if he finally gets his dues and becomes the WBO champ over Brewster.
IMO - he deserves it.

I hope Wlad is KO`ed once and and for all and lets us get on with the heavyweight division!

Wlad will have to lose a handful of times or more before he disappears.

Quick - name Andrew Golota's greatest win...

Golota has a bunch of big opponents on his resume, zero wins against the cream of the crop, and he keeps getting title shots because he has tons of fans. Wlad could be the same way...

Wlad will have to lose a handful of times or more before he disappears.

Quick - name Andrew Golota's greatest win...

Golota has a bunch of big opponents on his resume, zero wins against the cream of the crop, and he keeps getting title shots because he has tons of fans. Wlad could be the same way...
Have some Karma.

I hope Wlad is KO`ed once and and for all and lets us get on with the heavyweight division!

you are a hater ... LOL

Castillo will win this fight...unless Wlad somehow goes the distance, then Castillo'll just get ****ed out of the decision.

I expect Castillo to knock Wlad out. He knows Wlad's chin now, and heart, so he'll come in confident and should win. Let's put it this way, Castillo is probably better than Lamon Brewster, so...yeah, Castillo has a very damn good chance.

I won't be shocked if Klitschko wins, cause yeah Castillo hasn't beat anyone good, but then again, Klitschko hasn't really since 2002, if you count McCline, Mercer, and Botha. Mercer is probably Klitschko's best win, besides Byrd, ever.


WOW. What a great, perceptive analysis.

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WOW. What a great, perceptive analysis.



ROFL! Nice one, Nautilus!

ROFL! Nice one, Nautilus!


That guy is a serial hater. lol.

That guy is a serial hater. lol.


...Yep, talk about being exposed. You can see the true Wlad haters in there for sure. I love it when somebody brings back an old thread like this. :)