View Full Version : Terry Norris's 1st DQ loss


TheGreatA
10-19-2009, 08:23 AM
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Norris fans might find some comfort in the fact that Walker went onto lose 7 of his next 8 fights, 4 by KO's.

Benncollinsaad
10-19-2009, 08:26 AM
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Norris fans might find some comfort in the fact that Walker went onto lose 7 of his next 8 fights, 4 by KO's.

Didnt he lose to some guy named Santana twice on dq?? Luis Santana, I believe.

TheGreatA
10-19-2009, 08:31 AM
Didnt he lose to some guy named Santana twice on dq?? Luis Santana, I believe.

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He did eventually avenge the "losses":

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Benncollinsaad
10-19-2009, 08:50 AM
That was some weird ****. Did Norris ever say why he did that?

Benncollinsaad
10-19-2009, 09:52 AM
Cortez is a fuqing joke, always was, always will be. He steps in to save his "vato" obviously, just as Norris is about to finish him off in the first.

blacklodge
10-19-2009, 03:33 PM
That first Santana DQ was on the Carbajal-Gozales III undercard, which illustrates Norris' bad management (and possibly penalized for boring but dominant performances against Vaden and Pettway when Fox dipped their toe in the boxing waters with Tyson-Mathis and whatever the other one was.) Santana was faking. Stuff like that happens in boxing all the time. The 2nd should've been an immediate DQ for Norris.
The real bummer for Norris (and us boxing fans, I think) is the amount of time that the 3 Santana fights chewed up when Norris could have been making fights with some of the guys at 147 looking to move up, as I think Trinidad was considering at the time by taking the fight against Troy Waters at 154. Just as the bad loss to Simon Brown derailed the possibility of a fight with the winner of Jackson-McClellan I. I don't think Norris would have been as competative with McClellan, but I would have given him a great chance against both the slightly faded Julian Jackson and certainly Trinidad if he avoided a slugfest.

Princemanspopa
10-20-2009, 11:27 AM
Terry Norris never wanted any part of Tito Trinidad and such a matchup would have ended up very badly for Norris.Julian Jackson fit all criteria for the common Terry Norrison opponent at that point in his career,a great oppurtunity to put a name and a shallow win on his record,as for Terry Norris against Gerald McClellan....Norris has a history with elite fearsome punchers in their prime and....it never quite worked out in his favour

blacklodge
10-21-2009, 03:49 AM
Terry Norris never wanted any part of Tito Trinidad and such a matchup would have ended up very badly for Norris.

I've heard it both ways, Norris didn't want Trinidad, Trinidad didn't want Norris. I tend to think Trinidad made a decision to go for the bigger payday and wait for De La Hoya at 147, which was wise financially and in terms of his legacy. Based on how much trouble Trinidad had with speed, DLH, Oba Carr in spots, even Whitaker did better than he should have, I think Norris' hand speed gives Trinidad problems. I'd still pick Trinidad, but it's far, far from an easy call.

johnnyutah
10-21-2009, 04:15 AM
Cortez is a fuqing joke, always was, always will be. He steps in to save his "vato" obviously, just as Norris is about to finish him off in the first.

cortez is puerto rican, santana is dominican, and neither of those countries use the term "vato"...try again

BennyST
10-22-2009, 10:08 AM
Whilst boxing is a violent sport, it is still a sport with rules to protect fighters and I have always hated that many people defend this type of behaviour as "Oh well, it's boxing, that stuff happens and Norris was especially aggressive so you can't really blame him. He just got caught up in the moment".

I don't know if many others here see or hear this happen often but I find it terrible. I often hear the same thing said about Nigel Benn, who was just as bad as Norris and should have been DQ'd in a lot of his fights. He was one of the most blatant fouling fighters I've ever seen. Maybe because he was a great, popular champ in the UK he was allowed to get away with it more or something but I always hear fans of his excuse it as just Benn's attitude and that it was ok because that's just how he fought. I really dislike that.

How many times did you see Benn hit people when down, low blow or rabbit punch someone over and over all fight? He made Froch/Dirrell or Ali/Wepner look a perfect textbook fight in the rules at times.

Anyway, some of those were terrible and Norris did a lot more that he could have been DQ'd for too. He hit Curry when he was down quite blatantly too from what I remember. That fight was filled with fouls.

Benncollinsaad
10-22-2009, 10:10 AM
cortez is puerto rican, santana is dominican, and neither of those countries use the term "vato"...try again

So what?? Like I give a flying fuq. Your logic is wasted. They are both latinos. Doesn't matter what country they are from.

BennyST
10-23-2009, 12:08 AM
Cortez is a fuqing joke, always was, always will be. He steps in to save his "vato" obviously, just as Norris is about to finish him off in the first.

Do you mean in the third fight? I don't really get it? He got knocked out anyway.

blacklodge
10-23-2009, 04:56 AM
Whilst boxing is a violent sport, it is still a sport with rules to protect fighters and I have always hated that many people defend this type of behaviour as "Oh well, it's boxing, that stuff happens and Norris was especially aggressive so you can't really blame him. He just got caught up in the moment".

I don't know if many others here see or hear this happen often but I find it terrible. I often hear the same thing said about Nigel Benn, who was just as bad as Norris and should have been DQ'd in a lot of his fights. He was one of the most blatant fouling fighters I've ever seen. Maybe because he was a great, popular champ in the UK he was allowed to get away with it more or something but I always hear fans of his excuse it as just Benn's attitude and that it was ok because that's just how he fought. I really dislike that.

How many times did you see Benn hit people when down, low blow or rabbit punch someone over and over all fight? He made Froch/Dirrell or Ali/Wepner look a perfect textbook fight in the rules at times.

Anyway, some of those were terrible and Norris did a lot more that he could have been DQ'd for too. He hit Curry when he was down quite blatantly too from what I remember. That fight was filled with fouls.

I agree mostly. I've wondered in some fights (Hopkins-Allen I comes to mind, certrainly Benn-McClellan), if the referee is actually aware that rabbit punches in the clinch are illegal and dangerous, or is unaware what a rabbit punch actually is? But that aside, in Norris' first DQ to Santana, I felt that "protect yourself at all times" trumped the punch to the back of the head, due to the nature of the movement of both of them at the time. Santana turned his back on the ropes. In that sense, should Duane Thomas have been DQ'd for unloading on John Mugabi after his back was turned? In what must have been a moment of clarity for Larry Merchant during Margarito-Cintron II, Merchant was critical of Cintron offering the back of his head by crouching and then complaining for being hit there, and I agreed. Roy Jones also made a good case for himself in the post-fight interview after his DQ loss to Griffin, in what must have been another of those moments of clarity.
I think the fouls that are worthy of a DQ are usually obvious to even the casual fan (How do you not immediately DQ Tyson after biting Holyfield's ear the first time?), but sometimes deducting points for fouls is hard to come by as well, even though it's my preference.

Benncollinsaad
10-23-2009, 08:36 AM
Do you mean in the third fight? I don't really get it? He got knocked out anyway.

It shoulda been done in the first round. Cortez saved Santana in that round. It's obvious.