Rahman- "James does a lot of talking and running off at his mouth, but let's see if he could back it up in the ring with me. I mean, he wouldn't have to pay me, I'll help him get ready for Ruiz and show him he's nowhere near my level at the same time."

Let us do see that. At least we know Rahman isn't shot like everyone else James has fought at heavyweight.

id enjoy watching that

Ya, I hope they do it. I don't know why Rock had to make it all about him being the best and challenging Toney. They would both help each other. The Rock's attitude makes me think that they should not do it because he will be trying to hurt Toney right before Toney's match against Ruiz. And if Toney hurt the Rock he would have months to recover.

so long as toney keeps away from rahman's right hand, it should be a good experince for him, ruiz beat the rock,so i don't see why people are saying he isn't shot

James Toney is a GOD in the gym, anybody whose ever seen him spar knows that he's bullet-proof when he's got the headgear on, Rahman is a bad-a$$ but I'd never challenge Lights Out to a workout thats 4 sure

James Toney is a GOD in the gym, anybody whose ever seen him spar knows that he's bullet-proof when he's got the headgear on, Rahman is a bad-a$$ but I'd never challenge Lights Out to a workout thats 4 sure


REALLY?? Have you ever seen James Toney in the gym against Middlweight Danny Green?

Green handed Toney his ass, so much for in the gym theory right?


Something ironic, Green fought Toney in that sparring session like Ruiz fights.


Ruiz by decision.

Alot people don't seem to understand that James Toney is a masterful fighter, it seems people just like to degrade him for his flaws. I honestly believe that he is the best heavyweight out there right now.

Alot people don't seem to understand that James Toney is a masterful fighter, it seems people just like to degrade him for his flaws. I honestly believe that he is the best heavyweight out there right now.
he may be the most skillful
but i think the size diff wouldnt let him beat Vitali

REALLY?? Have you ever seen James Toney in the gym against Middlweight Danny Green?

Green handed Toney his ass, so much for in the gym theory right?


Something ironic, Green fought Toney in that sparring session like Ruiz fights.


Ruiz by decision.


Oh please shut up with that ****. Green didn't hand Toney his ass and you know it. What entails handing someone their ass anyway? From what I saw, it looked like Greens face was going downhill in a hurry and Toney was just laughing at him when he'd try and unload on him...

Green hit Toney with nice combos and landed at will, Toney might have had more power shots but take nothing away from Green as he is a MIDDLEWEIGHT and Toney is a HEAVYWEIGHT.

I take nothing away from Toney but his style is going to hurt him in the heavyweight division eventually he is going to try and counter a shot that will put his lights out.

James isnt one to use great footwork and that will be his flaws.

His positives are his counter punching and hand speed but he isnt getting any younger.

Can you elaborate more on that Mayweather? Because I am having a hard time believing that. I am not saying you are wrong....but. How in the hell would he beat either of the Klitschko's?

The Klitschko's would be tough for James good point, but I think if he came with the right gameplan he could possibly win a decision. I just feel that as far as overall boxing skill he is the best fighter in the division.

Roy should have stayed a heavy weight, he would have beaten most of those bums.

The only guys who should really give Toney trouble are the Klitschos. The rest are bums. Toney's gonna knock 'em all out.

Rahman- "James does a lot of talking and running off at his mouth, but let's see if he could back it up in the ring with me. I mean, he wouldn't have to pay me, I'll help him get ready for Ruiz and show him he's nowhere near my level at the same time."

Let us do see that. At least we know Rahman isn't shot like everyone else James has fought at heavyweight.


.....I would definitely like to see that!! I saw that article on ********* and thought it was very interesting. Something tells me that Toney will not take him up on that offer.

The only guys who should really give Toney trouble are the Klitschos. The rest are bums. Toney's gonna knock 'em all out.


Look me up for a points bet around the Ruiz fight

somehow, I feel him being "undersized" will cause problems. :(

Yeah I agree beating Klitcshko will be a tough task for Toney(because his size disadvantage) but the other champs I think he can beat.

I watched james spar for many years. He can lay on the ropes as long as he can time your punches well. Why do you think he has been succefull at heavyweight, for the same reason Byrd has been. They are both naturaly smaller guys whose eyes became accustomed to the faster fists of the lower weight divisions. Both were defensively gifted before hand, but put them in with a heavyweight and they will feel like they are that guy on the matrix dodging bullets. Heavyweights are very slow and Rahman is no exception. He has nothing out of the ordinary that Toney has not seen before. I predict Toney lays on the rope talking **** to Rahman the whole time while Rahman trys to land a punch. Give Rahman a handfull of rocks and he may have better success if he throws all those rocks at james..........Rockin'

I like Toney's skills but he's going against too much. He's old, he's short, and he's flabby. Foreman came back at an old age to cause a ruckus on the HW scene but he was incredibly powerful and 6'4". Toney has neither the power nor the reach, and his reflexes and handspeed won't be there forever.

I just don't think Toney can hang in even this super weak heavyweight division. Maybe I'll change my tune after the Ruiz fight.

I watched james spar for many years. He can lay on the ropes as long as he can time your punches well. Why do you think he has been succefull at heavyweight, for the same reason Byrd has been. They are both naturaly smaller guys whose eyes became accustomed to the faster fists of the lower weight divisions. Both were defensively gifted before hand, but put them in with a heavyweight and they will feel like they are that guy on the matrix dodging bullets. Heavyweights are very slow and Rahman is no exception. He has nothing out of the ordinary that Toney has not seen before. I predict Toney lays on the rope talking **** to Rahman the whole time while Rahman trys to land a punch. Give Rahman a handfull of rocks and he may have better success if he throws all those rocks at james..........Rockin'
I think that he was so succesful at Heavy because he fought a very, very old Holyfield(who by the way was beating him in the beginning) and another blown up fat nobody in Booker. Lets see how he does against somebody decent(and I am not calling that ****er Ruiz decent) :boxing:

I think that he was so succesful at Heavy because he fought a very, very old Holyfield(who by the way was beating him in the beginning) and another blown up fat nobody in Booker. Lets see how he does against somebody decent(and I am not calling that ****er Ruiz decent) :boxing:

Hey now if he beats Ruiz he is a legitmate heavyweight, I mean c'mon I hate Ruiz too but he has been champ for a long time.

Hey now if he beats Ruiz he is a legitmate heavyweight, I mean c'mon I hate Ruiz too but he has been champ for a long time.


I will totally give credit to ANYBODY to beat Ruiz...He is the man unstoppable unless Tua or Jones is in the Neutral corner as those are the only 2 men to beat him convincingly.

What's up with this ****? Sparring is for getting work in, not answering somebody's challenge. Let Rock beat Vitali, if he can, and if Toney can do a number on Huggy Bear, like most of us want ANYBODY to do, then they can meet for real, where it counts. Otherwise, quit posturing.
OK, so maybe this is just way in advance publicity?

I personally think Haseem Rahman will surgically place bulletholes in Toney's ass. Sparring or no sparring, he means it when he says Toney is not on his level. That fat little turd would get smoked like summer sausage in Costa Rica. If he tries that "lay on the ropes B.S." he will get blistered with the nastiest right hand he has ever felt.

But I guess they can help eachother out. :)Dude, you talk as if Rahman is the second coming of Joe Louis or something; have you seen his last 5 fights?

I personally think Haseem Rahman will surgically place bulletholes in Toney's ass. Sparring or no sparring, he means it when he says Toney is not on his level. That fat little turd would get smoked like summer sausage in Costa Rica. If he tries that "lay on the ropes B.S." he will get blistered with the nastiest right hand he has ever felt.

But I guess they can help eachother out. :)


:bryce:


Nastiest right hand my ass. That right hand wont be so nasty if it's not landing cleanly.

:bryce:


Nastiest right hand my ass. That right hand wont be so nasty if it's not landing cleanly.

LOL :D , thats true because Toney's defense is pretty good.

you would hope neither of them are stupid enough to spar together, in the lead to their respective big fights.

rahman's talking crap, and it may backfire on him, because toney may take him up on it. then rahman either backs down form the challenge, or gets busted up in sparring.

toney is a fighter, in the streets, in the gym in the ring, doesn't matter. rahman is 'slightly' more intelligent and unless he's prepared to put it all on the line in a sparring session, he'll be coming off second best.

REALLY?? Have you ever seen James Toney in the gym against Middlweight Danny Green?

Green handed Toney his ass, so much for in the gym theory right?


Something ironic, Green fought Toney in that sparring session like Ruiz fights.


Ruiz by decision.


Green handed Toney his ass????? That is the craziest thing I have ever heard. Toney was the big guy but he was the more accurate guy, as well Danny Greeen couldn't move out of the way of ****. He also got made fun of the whole time. Toney broke his nose in the first or second round. People that were watching thought that maybe the fight should have been stopped.

I have to ask you your own question. Did you see Toney vs Green?

Fro everything that iheard from the people in his neighborhood, James was not a street fighter.........Rockin'

Green hit Toney with nice combos and landed at will, Toney might have had more power shots but take nothing away from Green as he is a MIDDLEWEIGHT and Toney is a HEAVYWEIGHT.




A middleweight landed at will against someone almost 100 pounds heavier. Really, how impressive. Oscar de la hoya could also land at will against Hopkins, but it doesn't really matter does it.

The only thing Danny Green displayed was the ability to take a lot of hard shots without going down. Standing there and trading with someone almost 100 pounds bigger is not exactly smart, and I doubt any one judging that session would have given Green even one round.

What's up with this ****? Sparring is for getting work in, not answering somebody's challenge. Let Rock beat Vitali, if he can, and if Toney can do a number on Huggy Bear, like most of us want ANYBODY to do, then they can meet for real, where it counts. Otherwise, quit posturing.
OK, so maybe this is just way in advance publicity?

Thats a good point sparing is practice, so you can't really judge a matchup based on a sparing session.

That's some funny **** to think Danny Green won that.
Toney could have did him worse than how he did him, in my opinion.

As far as Rahman goes, I don't see anything he can do better than Toney, aside from hitting harder, but even that is neutralized by Toney's excellent defense. Toney has a pretty hard chin, as well..

That's some funny **** to think Danny Green won that.
Toney could have did him worse than how he did him, in my opinion.

As far as Rahman goes, I don't see anything he can do better than Toney, aside from hitting harder, but even that is neutralized by Toney's excellent defense. Toney has a pretty hard chin, as well..

I agree with you about Rahman/Toney, Toney is the better fighter.

Hate to break the news to you OG....but Toney is not the best fighter who ever lived. He might be one of the most flawed. He got pummeled by Jirov, and If you are saying Rock would not do the same:

Prescription Eyeglass time dude.

:booty:


I never said he was. I said that Rahman wouldnt land cleanly on him. "Pummeled" by Jirov? HAHA. Jirov could have hit Toney with a small missile in that fight and he wouldnt have hurt him. Toney was ready to go another 3 rounds, if Jirov had, he would have been KTFO and possibly scarred for life. You expect Rahman to throw over 1000 punches in a fight? Because Jirov threw well over 1000 and thats the only reason anyone paid that any attention...5% of them actually landed with anything on them. I legitimately think that Toney would beat Rahman because, yeah, Rahman has a nice overhand right, but Toney's better EVERYWHERE else.

My point was Danny fought Toney the way Ruiz would in that session, very close and would smother a lot of Toneys shots.

While it may have been just sparring, Green still landed a considerable amount of shots and wasnt the quickest either.

Toney sucks when a guy smothers him, you sure as hell dont see Toney move on his feet to well.

Theres something that I am having teouble understanding here. If james was pummeled by Jirov, then why does James have a big W next to his name in the record book while Jirov has a big L next to his name?..............Rockin'

My point was Danny fought Toney the way Ruiz would in that session, very close and would smother a lot of Toneys shots.

While it may have been just sparring, Green still landed a considerable amount of shots and wasnt the quickest either.

Toney sucks when a guy smothers him, you sure as hell dont see Toney move on his feet to well.


His performance "sucked" against Jirov? Toney fights on the inside as well as anybody...

I don't know how he'll fare against Huggy Bears hugging...but then again nobody does.

Not that I think Rahman is the greatest thing the heavies have by any means, but I do feel that he would be too much for Toney. Toney had one hell of a time with Jirov and that fight was up for grabs until the last round. Look what Moorer did to Jirov and rethink Toney and his place. I think as a boxer Toney is more overated than anyone. He is definitely hitable and Jirov found him easily. A number of posters on this board think Toney is the greatest fighter to ever enter the ring and to hear them talk about him you would think he never lost a fight in his life. It never ceases to aamze me at how Toney is held in such elevated regard. Roy kicked the **** out of him and made him look foolish. He has also lost to lower caliber boxers and looked bad doing so. Someone like Vit, Wlad, or even the Rock would get to Toney with bigger shots and seriously hurt him. IMO Jirov had him hurt a few times in their fight and didn't do enough to capitalize.

I never said Jirov did damage. I suppose "Pummeled" was a bad choice word. He "landed" plenty of shots on Toney. If he holds his hands by his waist when he sparrs with Rahman, Lights out will get put down.


The point is...Rahman and Jirov fight nothing alike. If Rahman pressures Toney, that will be playing right into Toneys hands. In Rahmans normal style, I don't see him landing on Toney cleanly on a frequent enough basis to get him outta there.

Not that I think Rahman is the greatest thing the heavies have by any means, but I do feel that he would be too much for Toney. Toney had one hell of a time with Jirov and that fight was up for grabs until the last round. Look what Moorer did to Jirov and rethink Toney and his place. I think as a boxer Toney is more overated than anyone. He is definitely hitable and Jirov found him easily. A number of posters on this board think Toney is the greatest fighter to ever enter the ring and to hear them talk about him you would think he never lost a fight in his life. It never ceases to aamze me at how Toney is held in such elevated regard. Roy kicked the **** out of him and made him look foolish. He has also lost to lower caliber boxers and looked bad doing so. Someone like Vit, Wlad, or even the Rock would get to Toney with bigger shots and seriously hurt him. IMO Jirov had him hurt a few times in their fight and didn't do enough to capitalize.

This might be the best post I have ever seen come from you. Right on fuggin cue man. Those are choice words that I was trying to express in pathetic fashion.

If it was not for the 12th round knockdown, I would have scored the fight 7-5 in favor of Jirov. He almost won the fight anyway IMO.


You ARE the same guy who scored for Hagler in his fight for Leonard aren't you? Or am I mistaken...

Tell me...why did you score the fight for Hagler? It was because he landed the harder, cleaner, more significant shots isn't it.

95% of the **** that Jirov hit Toney with did NOTHING to Toney. Sure, I guess a lot of punches looks nice, but so don't pretty flurries off the ropes....

Tell me...why did you score the fight for Hagler? It was because he landed the harder, cleaner, more significant shots isn't it.


No. I scored it in favor of Hagler because SRL was on his fugging bike fighting like a queer.

Hate to break the news to you OG....but Toney is not the best fighter who ever lived. He might be one of the most flawed. He got pummeled by Jirov, and If you are saying Rock would not do the same:

Prescription Eyeglass time dude.

:booty:
yea right. he F*CKED up jirov. wat were u smokin'? do you even think b4 u post cuz all i've read from you is ****

No. I scored it in favor of Hagler because SRL was on his fugging bike fighting like a queer.


So all you score fights on is pressure?

His performance "sucked" against Jirov? Toney fights on the inside as well as anybody...

I don't know how he'll fare against Huggy Bears hugging...but then again nobody does.

Jirov and Toney were not all hugging up on each other like an erotic homo flick.

Jirov really didnt smother Toney's shots nor was he pressing up against him. Jirov kept a far enough distance for Toney and him to throw with distance and Toney looked good at it.

****ing Ruiz fights you in a god damn phone booth the whole damn night. Which wont be good for Toney as he wont be able to pull his slick rolling the hits off of his shoulder in that fight.

Im not taking anything away from Toney ok maybe a little bit, he is a tremendous boxer who is one if not the best counter puncher in the sport and with his not to shabby hand speed either he gets my nod.

But he wont be able to do that stuff that makes him so great when he is in their with a fighter of Ruiz style (YES HUGGING). I have always said it and will continue to say it, to beat Ruiz you have to have KO power (which Toney DOESNT possess) or you have to be quick on your feet (which Toney ISNT)

While it was close, Ray schooled Hagler.

HE BOXED HAGLER

What sport we talking about?

Who knows what the ref will do?
Will he call Ruiz for the holding?

While it was close, Ray schooled Hagler.

HE BOXED HAGLER

What sport we talking about?

Hey spinxs, there is a new video on **********, it is a sparring session between Chris Bryd and Malcom Tann, if you can post it I'll give you a million points.

And on the Toney Green thing, nobody said that Toney moved well against Green. He was fat and out of shape, plus a heavweight and he has never been a mover. But against punches from Green there was no reason for him to move, especially with headgear.

Hey spinxs, there is a new video on **********, it is a sparring session between Chris Bryd and Malcom Tann, if you can post it I'll give you a million points.

And on the Toney Green thing, nobody said that Toney moved well against Green. He was fat and out of shape, plus a heavweight and he has never been a mover. But against punches from Green there was no reason for him to move, especially with headgear.


Point taken, but I like the fact that you lay out Toneys main weakness. Which surely will play an effect on him at the HW division.

Jirov and Toney were not all hugging up on each other like an erotic homo flick.

Jirov really didnt smother Toney's shots nor was he pressing up against him. Jirov kept a far enough distance for Toney and him to throw with distance and Toney looked good at it.

****ing Ruiz fights you in a god damn phone booth the whole damn night. Which wont be good for Toney as he wont be able to pull his slick rolling the hits off of his shoulder in that fight.

Im not taking anything away from Toney ok maybe a little bit, he is a tremendous boxer who is one if not the best counter puncher in the sport and with his not to shabby hand speed either he gets my nod.

But he wont be able to do that stuff that makes him so great when he is in their with a fighter of Ruiz style (YES HUGGING). I have always said it and will continue to say it, to beat Ruiz you have to have KO power (which Toney DOESNT possess) or you have to be quick on your feet (which Toney ISNT)


I'd definitely call what Jirov and Toney were doing in the second half of the fight "fighting in a phonebooth". Jirov attempted one of the most relentless pressure assault against another fighter that I've ever seen. Each guy didn't throw over 1000 punches by fighting at a cushy distance. They were inside, banging away at each other for the majority of the fight...case and point, the 12th round of the fight...

I agree that Ruiz' hugging is pretty gay, and that its effective. Every fighter reacts differently however and who knows what Toney will do. Outside of the hugging, Ruiz usually gives space to throw punches freely until he hugs you again from what I've seen of him.

Point taken, but I like the fact that you lay out Toneys main weakness. Which surely will play an effect on him at the HW division.

What fight, besides the Ruiz fight, would possibly call for him to become a mover or have moving ability, in the HW division?

Spinx

You made good points too, the only thing I had a problem with was saying that Green won the sparring match. I love the James Toney and might be his biggest fan, but I agree some people take **** too far with him.

If you are a Toney fan it should be because he was a hall of fame middleweight who saw that the heavyweight divison was sooo bad that he thought he could step in. So far he has done well, and for a fighter who doesn't depend on amazing physical gifts like Roy Jones, that is amazing.

If he beats Ruiz it will be one of the greatest feats accomplished in boxing, not something that people should expect will probably happen.

Toney is old, fat, and depending on oldschool boxing smarts and toughness. If he beats Ruiz it is twice the accomplishment of Roy Jones who is a P4P legend.

People should stop talking about how great Toney is, and start talking about how great it is that he is even trying to take out a heavyweight champion like Ruiz.

If Mike Tyson used what God gave him half as well as James Toney he would be heavyweight champ today.

You people need to switch to decaf. I have seen less heated debates concerning abortion and religion issues. :boxing:


Dude boxing is way more important than abortion. And to be honest I think boxing is way more important to me than church too. In fact I think that boxing might be a religion for me.

You people need to switch to decaf. I have seen less heated debates concerning abortion and religion issues. :boxing:


It's your typical BS debate actually.

What fight, besides the Ruiz fight, would possibly call for him to become a mover or have moving ability, in the HW division?

Chris Byrd/Vitali Klitschko any real top heavyweight. You think Toney could stand their and fight the way he does and be effective against Vitali? How would he be able to counter Byrd when Byrd wouldnt even go to Toney...Both are counter punchers and that fight would be ugly as hell. The Byrd fight is the only fight I got interest in seeing Toney fight to be perfectly honest with you.

It's your typical BS debate actually.

Then why you posting gringo?

REALLY?? Have you ever seen James Toney in the gym against Middlweight Danny Green?

Green handed Toney his ass, so much for in the gym theory right?


Something ironic, Green fought Toney in that sparring session like Ruiz fights.


Ruiz by decision.

toney was working with green for the msot part and busted him up bad throughout

it was a sparring session toeny was letting green get offense and countered all day

come on spinxs i would expect betetr from you man

If he moves around against, Vitali, he won't be able to get his shots in. I don't know how good Vitali is on the inside, Toney's best bet is to close that range, protect himself while he's up against Vitali, and let Vitali spend himself on his arms, shoulders and elbows. I think everyone agrees with me that Toney can pick off alot of shots against the slow/robotic Vitali, can he beat him is a different story, but the way he fights would be more effective, in my opinion.

As far as Chris Byrd goes, Byrd didn't look too great against fighting a counter-puncher (Oquendo), because Oquendo took him out of his character and made him fight, that's what I think Toney would have to do.

This would be a good match...Rahman is an impressive impressive
, i think he is a little under rated

Run w/ knives did you just deleate your post because you were worried about people giving you ****?

Run w/ knives did you just deleate your post because you were worried about people giving you ****?

No, I wanted to give adeelr time to read it,

then delete it because it is unecessary spam. I was unable to deliver a PM to him becuase of overstocked quota.

I do that alot. Like a flash P.M. that does not stick.
Not to mention, completely off-topic like this post.

I plan to delete this one as well. :)

Then why you posting gringo?


What do you mean? It's really not that heated. All we were doing is debating. I don't think anybody is actually getting pissed behind their monitors...but I may be wrong.

Anyone who thinks the Jirov-Toney fight was anything other than a close fight in which the judges scores were not very accurate, has an opinion that I personally have very little understanding of. Toney landed clean shots and so did Jirov, many of them. That's what made it such a great fight. If it was such a blowout it would not have been considered the greatest fight, or one of them, at cruiserweight of all time.

The knockdown did not even seal it for Toney...and I was rooting for Toney big time. I could have seen it scored a draw even with the knockdown. Let me emphasize again that I was rooting for Toney and was yelling for him to "knock him (Jirov) the **** out!"

That fight was close and both men were hurt at different periods. I've watched the fight many times and there is one shot in particular that really hurt Toney to the body.

Don't degrade Jirov by saying he got blew out or took a one-sided beating because it just is not true, period.

Ok, when you wrote BS did you mean boxing scene?
cause i thought you meant bull ****. What i ment is if you think this stuff doesn't matter than why do are you posting on it.

just read a chat script with toney.

he's invited rahman to come down saturday and spar - balls in rahmans court

SUPER_LIGHTWEIGHT
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That fight was close and both men were hurt at different periods. I've watched the fight many times and there is one shot in particular that really hurt Toney to the body.

Don't degrade Jirov by saying he got blew out or took a one-sided beating because it just is not true, period.
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"Roy Jones is one of greatest fighters of all time." - Bert Sugar




body shot was in round 2. toney takes 3 or 4 steps back (towards camera, HBO telecast)

jirov should have loaded up BIG at that point.

Anyone who thinks the Jirov-Toney fight was anything other than a close fight in which the judges scores were not very accurate, has an opinion that I personally have very little understanding of. Toney landed clean shots and so did Jirov, many of them. That's what made it such a great fight. If it was such a blowout it would not have been considered the greatest fight, or one of them, at cruiserweight of all time.

The knockdown did not even seal it for Toney...and I was rooting for Toney big time. I could have seen it scored a draw even with the knockdown. Let me emphasize again that I was rooting for Toney and was yelling for him to "knock him (Jirov) the **** out!"

That fight was close and both men were hurt at different periods. I've watched the fight many times and there is one shot in particular that really hurt Toney to the body.

Don't degrade Jirov by saying he got blew out or took a one-sided beating because it just is not true, period.


Who is degrading Jirov or belittling him? I scored the fight 6-4-1 for Toney going into the 12th with a couple rounds that were extremely hard to score. Then Toney won the 12th with the KD and I had it 7-4-1 for Toney. It was definitely a close fight with both guys giving it everything they had. It's one of my favorite all-time fights. Jirov won my respect in that fight and it was really the fight that got me back into boxing. But the fact is that James could have gone another 1/3/5 rounds and had Jirov tried he would have been knocked out. If taking a few steps back because you felt a good bodyshot is hurt then yeah maybe he was, but he never in any serious trouble at any point in the fight.

Ok, when you wrote BS did you mean boxing scene?
cause i thought you meant bull ****. What i ment is if you think this stuff doesn't matter than why do are you posting on it.


Yeah sorry man I meant boxing scene. "Typical Boxing Scene debate" is what i meant to say.

I absolutelty agree that had the fight gone on Jirov wold have been KO'd.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the ones who were saying the fight was a blow out or a one-sided beating, and if you were one of those people, in my opinion, you were wrong.

I absolutelty agree that had the fight gone on Jirov wold have been KO'd.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the ones who were saying the fight was a blow out or a one-sided beating, and if you were one of those people, in my opinion, you were wrong.


I disagree with those people too. My stance on the whole fight was that Jirov put on a hell of a performance, against one of the most naturally talented boxers ever, but James knew what was gonna happen the entire time. It was pretty incredible since Jirov was THE man at cruiser. I thought it was a close fight but James was just on a different level.

I wonder who'd win a "prime" cruiser Jirov/Braithwaite fight.

Why would Toney ever want to spar w/ Rahman who is a potential opponent. Last thing James wants is someone to feel out his style especially w/ his subpar heavyweight punch. James win by virtue that he's 2 stubborn to go down to the likes of Hassim and Rahman tires himself out. Toney outwrks Ruiz in a boring fight

rahman would KO toney within 5 rounds.
btw ruiz wins by close decision against toney