No question Pac showed "warrior" heart on Saturday night.

It will now be interseting to see Pac's response to having "gone to war" for twelve rounds, as the top Feathers often do. I wonder if warrior Pac will keep up with the other warriors at feather when he faces one or more 12 round wars at the hands of a Mexican?

Maybe it's the next fight that Pac will suddenly look "old", because of the mental game that gets played-out in his head, when he realizes "****, that guy just took my best shot again".

Pac needed this win and would not be well advised to go straight to a rematch with Erik. In either case, I see Pac loosing to all three Mexicans in his next fight, if he chooses one of them. Barrera has been quite quiet, knowing his time will come, when he'll show Pac that he was, in fact, "not himself" in their first fight. I not sure tat I belive him, but I think Pac should be talking to Barrera's people right now. It the safest of the possible "wars" he will face.

i do beg to disagree with you my friend, round one against the 3Ms PAC went 1-1-1, with this set back I won't go that far as PAC going 0-3 with these guys, remember he is young and still learning, with the experience gained on championship level against MAB, JMM & now EM, it will only make him better ...

can't wait for the second round ...

pac went up against the best mexico has to offer in so little time. give him time to rest and re-group. he went 35 rounds with MAB, JMM, and Morales.

what he needs to do is get a good and compact right hook and left upper-cut combo (did anyone notice that when pac got in close to smother morlaes he counld fight in the inside like MAB did??). pac also needs to get some poise and learn some laterall movement and not back up straight and flail is arms like a dead fish (it's uneconomical movement and it looks real bad for the judges scoring).

every guy around here seems to give pac is props for surving...so i'll take this time to give morales much respect for taking on a dangerous opponent after a hard fight with his mexican rival just months earlier.

...it's funny, but it seems like the little guys will save boxing..

No question Pac showed "warrior" heart on Saturday night.

It will now be interseting to see Pac's response to having "gone to war" for twelve rounds, as the top Feathers often do. I wonder if warrior Pac will keep up with the other warriors at feather when he faces one or more 12 round wars at the hands of a Mexican?

Maybe it's the next fight that Pac will suddenly look "old", because of the mental game that gets played-out in his head, when he realizes "****, that guy just took my best shot again".

Pac needed this win and would not be well advised to go straight to a rematch with Erik. In either case, I see Pac loosing to all three Mexicans in his next fight, if he chooses one of them. Barrera has been quite quiet, knowing his time will come, when he'll show Pac that he was, in fact, "not himself" in their first fight. I not sure tat I belive him, but I think Pac should be talking to Barrera's people right now. It the safest of the possible "wars" he will face.
He's not gonna get old any time soon. He's gonna drop back down and get revenge on Marquez, though, and then try to lure some of the bigger name 122 pounders up in weight.

He's not gonna get old any time soon. He's gonna drop back down and get revenge on Marquez, though, and then try to lure some of the bigger name 122 pounders up in weight.


Agree that Pac should go down to 126 and fight Marquez. Coz no way JMM will go up 130 to fight. He got 2 titles at 126.

But after Marquez, Pacman should concentrate on MAB and EM. Coz the fights with these 2 Mexicans is the only challenge for him. Nobody will be thrilled if he beats Larios or any other guy whose name is not Barerra or Morales. When Pac beats these two, then I say he can retire if he wants to.

Come on now, let's not jump the gun. Pac lost a close but clear to decision to Morales. It would be pretty unreasonable to assume that Pac would not be able to get a close but clear victory over Erik if he trained harder and blitzed him like he did to JMM and MAB.

Or, Erik may always beat Pac...we will see in my opinion because I believe they will fight each othe again. The circumstances in a couple years will demand it (in my opinion) because there are only so many guys in these weight classes, and they all fight the best...which means fighting each other.

Perhaps MAB had a legit excuse in losing to ac, but he lost BADLY. Pac won every round pretty much. I could see MAB beating him but, as with a rematch between Pac an Morales, we don't know, but we will find out.

Manny was made for Erik. Morales used his size and reach advantage to perfection and he did his homework.

Come on now, let's not jump the gun. Pac lost a close but clear to decision to Morales. It would be pretty unreasonable to assume that Pac would not be able to get a close but clear victory over Erik if he trained harder and blitzed him like he did to JMM and MAB.

Or, Erik may always beat Pac...we will see in my opinion because I believe they will fight each othe again. The circumstances in a couple years will demand it (in my opinion) because there are only so many guys in these weight classes, and they all fight the best...which means fighting each other.

Perhaps MAB had a legit excuse in losing to ac, but he lost BADLY. Pac won every round pretty much. I could see MAB beating him but, as with a rematch between Pac an Morales, we don't know, but we will find out.


I think these 4 fighters almost even. That winning and losing is quite narrow. That any relaxation on anyone of them will be taken advantage of by the other in the fight. So I still think Morales cannot relax coz he beat Pacman by a lousy UD. Erik will train doubly hard if they have a rematch.

Pacman should stop being a celebrity next time he fights. Avoid those autograph signing and photoshoots. Pac must buckle down real tight.

Manny was made for Erik. Morales used his size and reach advantage to perfection and he did his homework.
Strage how those same words were thrown around freely when Pac beat Barrera ... he was made for Pac (on that ngiht anyway).

...it's funny, but it seems like the little guys will save boxing..
what made this division very interesting is that, four of the p4p greats of today all belong to this division, with rafael marquez making headways. this is probably the most unpredictable division today, and it has been this way for the past four years, and probably for the next four years more.

by that time, i believe, philippines has alot more to offer with the likes of z gorres and rey bautista go out of their nests.

Pacman should stop being a celebrity next time he fights. Avoid those autograph signing and photoshoots. Pac must buckle down real tight.

yeah he should stop being a celeb.. but what can he do with all the crazy fans he has... i mean, he is a national hero in the Philippines. He can hide and train in a remote area all he wants, but the hardcore Pac fans will somehow find this guy... Im pretty sure he will train harder and concentrate more on his next fight, but it will be very difficult when the People want to know his every move and everything he says... I wish we all could just back off and let him do his thing...

Manny wants a rematch, i want a rematch

Manny wants a rematch, i want a rematch

YOU WANT A REMATCH? YOU MEAN YOU WILL FIGHT EM YOURSELF?

Pacqiao is a warrior, and i believe he can beat marquez and maybe barrera again, since barrera is getting a little old..but i am not sure if he will be able to beat erik morales in the near future...whats amazing about morales is that he has been in so many wars..and still comes out big in every fight. Paqiao has to prove that he is capable of the same.

YOU WANT A REMATCH? YOU MEAN YOU WILL FIGHT EM YOURSELF?
LOL!!! that will be the fight of the century :D

No question Pac showed "warrior" heart on Saturday night.

It will now be interseting to see Pac's response to having "gone to war" for twelve rounds, as the top Feathers often do. I wonder if warrior Pac will keep up with the other warriors at feather when he faces one or more 12 round wars at the hands of a Mexican?

Maybe it's the next fight that Pac will suddenly look "old", because of the mental game that gets played-out in his head, when he realizes "****, that guy just took my best shot again".

Pac needed this win and would not be well advised to go straight to a rematch with Erik. In either case, I see Pac loosing to all three Mexicans in his next fight, if he chooses one of them. Barrera has been quite quiet, knowing his time will come, when he'll show Pac that he was, in fact, "not himself" in their first fight. I not sure tat I belive him, but I think Pac should be talking to Barrera's people right now. It the safest of the possible "wars" he will face.

personaly
i think it may have already happened
thats why erik was able to play with him as much as he did
no doubt a pre jmm pac would have still lost to erik
me and my dad were tlakin about this
and we came the conclusion that jmm broke pac
like chavez broke taylor
he just wasnt the same after that fight
erik just sorta finished it
but he still has the warriors heart

LOL!!! that will be the fight of the century :D
for 1 round :D

personaly
i think it may have already happened
thats why erik was able to play with him as much as he did
no doubt a pre jmm pac would have still lost to erik
me and my dad were tlakin about this
and we came the conclusion that jmm broke pac
like chavez broke taylor
he just wasnt the same after that fight
erik just sorta finished it
but he still has the warriors heart

Taylor took a beating in the Chavez fight. Broke facial bones and his urine was blood red. Chavez physiclaly beat the fight out of Taylor. Didn't happen against JMM. The latter might have given the blueprint but definately didn't break Pac as a fighter.

Taylor took a beating in the Chavez fight. Broke facial bones and his urine was blood red. Chavez physiclaly beat the fight out of Taylor. Didn't happen against JMM. The latter might have given the blueprint but definately didn't break Pac as a fighter.
im not comparenthe beaten itself
but it looked like pac realized he doesnt have musch to offer
i mean look at him in those last rounds
he looks like hes haven an epiphany
"maybe i shouldnt be a fighter"
he was just battered to the body and upstairs
and he just had the same happen again in this fight

im not comparenthe beaten itself
but it looked like pac realized he doesnt have musch to offer
i mean look at him in those last rounds
he looks like hes haven an epiphany
"maybe i shouldnt be a fighter"
he was just battered to the body and upstairs
and he just had the same happen again in this fight

Nah he rallied against JMM. And he went for broke in this fight. He asked for immediate rematches in both fights so why would he do that if he was having doubts in himself. But I do agree that he had an epiphany against Morales, not so much as "Maybe I shouldn't be boxing", the guy accomplished a lot already even in his early career, but more like "I can't run over everyone like I pressumed"

Nah he rallied against JMM. And he went for broke in this fight. He asked for immediate rematches in both fights so why would he do that if he was having doubts in himself. But I do agree that he had an epiphany against Morales, not so much as "Maybe I shouldn't be boxing", the guy accomplished a lot already even in his early career, but more like "I can't run over everyone like I pressumed"
askin for a rematch doesnt mean hes the same
im pretty sure taylor wanted a rematch and got it later
but nuff bout taylor

i just think that when pac left that ring he wasnt the same
as much as he tries to be
he just isnt
add the fact that his styles simply been figured out
at this point i think its best for him to just try to perfect his own relentless robotic attack
and hope for the best
he wanted so much to box and show he wasnt one dimensional in this fight
and hes just failed miserably

askin for a rematch doesnt mean hes the same
im pretty sure taylor wanted a rematch and got it later
but nuff bout taylor

i just think that when pac left that ring he wasnt the same
as much as he tries to be
he just isnt
add the fact that his styles simply been figured out
at this point i think its best for him to just try to perfect his own relentless robotic attack
and hope for the best
he wanted so much to box and show he wasnt one dimensional in this fight
and hes just failed miserably

We'll see. Time will tell. But trying to outbox Erik Morales ain't exactly the simplest task specially coming from a natural brawler and loosing to the latter is nothing to to be ashamed off, heck wha 47 fighters suffered the same fate. Hopefully he can bounce back, he brings spice into the devision.

We'll see. Time will tell. But trying to outbox Erik Morales ain't exactly the simplest task specially coming from a natural brawler and loosing to the latter is nothing to to be ashamed off, heck wha 47 fighters suffered the same fate. Hopefully he can bounce back, he brings spice into the devision.
def brings spice
and i hope he can bounce back
hes fun to watch
but i really just think hes gone as high as hes gonna go

def brings spice
and i hope he can bounce back
hes fun to watch
but i really just think hes gone as high as hes gonna go

Well if it is, it's gone high enough for a kid who started at 106. But I'm pretty sure we'll see him back. Pit him with another slugger/puncher and you got yourself a good fight.

Well if it is, it's gone high enough for a kid who started at 106. But I'm pretty sure we'll see him back. Pit him with another slugger/puncher and you got yourself a good fight.
exactly
but unfortuantly for him
the top guys are more then just sluggers

Manny is defintely one of the ultimate warriors of the sport. But I think in his next fight he should train in a secluded area (like area 51 lol) so he can properly train and rest and avoid distractions (no press no fans). Next time he should train like a warrior that he is and not the celebrity like in the rocky movies...

personaly
i think it may have already happened
thats why erik was able to play with him as much as he did
no doubt a pre jmm pac would have still lost to erik

Agreed. Manny showed all the warrior stuff imaginable last Saturday, but I don't believe he can keep rollin' through 12-rounds of war, followed by another 12-rounder, and then another, like Morales and Barrera have done. My guess is that Manny won't ever beat Morales or JMM, but might get a decision against Barrera.

Agreed. Manny showed all the warrior stuff imaginable last Saturday, but I don't believe he can keep rollin' through 12-rounds of war, followed by another 12-rounder, and then another, like Morales and Barrera have done. My guess is that Manny won't ever beat Morales or JMM, but might get a decision against Barrera.
idk
if theres a MAB rematch dont ya think itll be at 130
i mean mabs got a title thier
and its usually better to fight for a title
altho the 1st fight he had no problem leaven the belt

but at 130 i say MAB easy
at 126 i say MAB in a tuffer fight

Manny is defintely one of the ultimate warriors of the sport. But I think in his next fight he should train in a secluded area (like area 51 lol) so he can properly train and rest and avoid distractions (no press no fans).
Manny and his team can have all the seclusion, training and rest they like and Morales still wins.

Manny's improved training situation will not improve his power, because he's already peaked in that department. Morales' chin is not going to suddenly shatter the next time around, IMO.

For every day of "ideal" training that Manny has, so will Erik. Then the training ends, and the fighting begins.

Manny and his team can have all the seclusion, training and rest they like and Morales still wins.

Manny's improved training situation will not improve his power, because he's already peaked in that department. Morales' chin is not going to suddenly shatter the next time around, IMO.

For every day of "ideal" training that Manny has, so will Erik. Then the training ends, and the fighting begins.

Manny needs to learn how to fight the way Barrera fought Morales - fight inside. Smother the punches, throw some uppercuts. If he adds these to his aresenal, he'll stand a better chance against Morales.

idk
if theres a MAB rematch dont ya think itll be at 130
i mean mabs got a title thier
and its usually better to fight for a title
altho the 1st fight he had no problem leaven the belt

but at 130 i say MAB easy
at 126 i say MAB in a tuffer fight
My question mark on Barrera at 130 or lower has to do with his first fight with Manny. I thought he looked like **** and believed that his training was responsible. Call me stupid or call me naive, but that wasn't simply a "style" issue against Manny, I thought he looked bad in the first minutes and it just got stranger man.

But, what if it was all about styles and Barrera just had excuses? NAHHH! Barrera doesn't make excuses for losses, he just told it like it was, right. I'm not sure.

So, the dilemna is simple. Barrera wins if he was in fact coming off a bad camp in that first fight. He loses if it was truly about styles. He can win, if he's able to fight a different fight.

Manny needs to learn how to fight the way Barrera fought Morales - fight inside. Smother the punches, throw some uppercuts. If he adds these to his aresenal, he'll stand a better chance against Morales.
but thats the thing
he cant
he only fights one way
ive said b4
i think his best shot at this point
is just to try to perfect his own style
not try to turn into a boxer
hes a come forward kinda fighter
and thats all he'll ever be
sometimes it can work
but more often den not
it wont against the top guys

My question mark on Barrera at 130 or lower has to do with his first fight with Manny. I thought he looked like **** and believed that his training was responsible. Call me stupid or call me naive, but that wasn't simply a "style" issue against Manny, I thought he looked bad in the first minutes and it just got stranger man.

But, what if it was all about styles and Barrera just had excuses? NAHHH! Barrera doesn't make excuses for losses, he just told it like it was, right. I'm not sure.

So, the dilemna is simple. Barrera wins if he was in fact coming off a bad camp in that first fight. He loses if it was truly about styles. He can win, if he's able to fight a different fight.
personaly it hink it was combination of bad training and bad style
MAB can have trouble with fighters
but hes the type that can adapt
and like ya said
in that fifht he couldnt
proably cuz of bad training
thats why is till favor him over pac

My question mark on Barrera at 130 or lower has to do with his first fight with Manny. I thought he looked like **** and believed that his training was responsible. Call me stupid or call me naive, but that wasn't simply a "style" issue against Manny, I thought he looked bad in the first minutes and it just got stranger man.

But, what if it was all about styles and Barrera just had excuses? NAHHH! Barrera doesn't make excuses for losses, he just told it like it was, right. I'm not sure.

So, the dilemna is simple. Barrera wins if he was in fact coming off a bad camp in that first fight. He loses if it was truly about styles. He can win, if he's able to fight a different fight.
I kinda see it the same way but i can't be sure. Only a rematch where barrera looks the way he did in the third Morales fight will tell. I'd pay to see pacquiao fight either of the three mexicans, but the fight that i'd rather see is against barrera, cant wait till they set it up.