i'm wondering,who's next after the lost of pacquiao...it's been a long time before it happened. after a long journey of knock outs with his powerfull punch. the day comes, and i ask to myself what his next move after this nightmare. would pacquiao back at 126 or stay at 130 to face barrera?

anything goes, i hope his management team is up to the task in setting him up for another big fight, as much as i like to see him go for another round against the 3Ms, he went 1-1-1 on the first round, I LIKE TO SEE PACMAN WITH AN OFFICIAL BELT, so MAB & JMM, Yodsanan, Peden?, Injin or Scott ...

I say Go for the belt ...

anything goes, i hope his management team is up to the task in setting him up for another big fight, as much as i like to see him go for another round against the 3Ms, he went 1-1-1 on the first round, I LIKE TO SEE PACMAN WITH AN OFFICIAL BELT, so MAB & JMM, Yodsanan, Peden?, Injin or Scott ...

I say Go for the belt ...
what i dream for pacquiao is to hold a belt and wrap around to his waist...and i hope his new management team will handled him for the right spot. we all knew pacman had a new manager right now. this time his job is to settled him(pacman) to the right opponent. do you think murad take him placed or fired him and look for another promoter?

i think manny is going to fight mab. another big name with a big pay day.

A lot of things can Happen. but as for me. iwant him to fight some easy opponents first to get used to the weight and then go fight MAB or EVEN EM for a rematch. Somone light first.

i think manny is going to fight mab. another big name with a big pay day.
big names for a big fights...that's right.
when the prize is right...i think manny never feared to fight among the mexicans,like mab...if he wants a rematch, at 130...manny wouldn't hesistate to accept this chalenge... :boxing:

i think he should go back to featherweight division. fight in jin chi, to get back his confidence, i know he'll win this one. then go after marquez for the unification of the wbc, wba, and ibf.

i think he should go back to featherweight division. fight in jin chi, to get back his confidence, i know he'll win this one. then go after marquez for the unification of the wbc, wba, and ibf.
i think harrison willing to fight him, to be recognize in the u.s. and to have a big pay day at the mgm.what do you think?

i think harrison willing to fight him, to be recognize in the u.s. and to have a big pay day at the mgm.what do you think?
is harrison willing to fight in the u.s.? i have no previous knowledge of harrison, but one thing is for sure about manny, he'll go after champions, despite the loss

Injin & Scott will all be to happy to fight PAC, but both of this guys will even ask for the moon, and that is not viable...

a PAC-JMM 2, definitely a potentially great fight, HBO only gave 1.5M budget, how much would they dish out for a fight against Scott or Injin, i guess not that much ...

Injin & Scott will all be to happy to fight PAC, but both of this guys will even ask for the moon, and that is not viable...

a PAC-JMM 2, definitely a potentially great fight, HBO only gave 1.5M budget, how much would they dish out for a fight against Scott or Injin, i guess not that much ...
so we do both agree that pac should go back to featherweight?

i think pac's handlers should not rush the man, he is only 26 and as far as we all know, in a span of only 4 years, he jump 4 divisions, one after the other. i think the loss should make him re-evaluate his stand for his career. he fought a gallant fight against a very tough opponent.

but i still do think, what separates these mexican boxers are their ability, not just boxing ability, to plan ahead for their careers. they never rush up.

i think manny should learn alot from the mexican warriors he fought.

and lastly, i would like to give praises to morales for a deserving win from a wonderful fight. my support is for manny, though...

Injin & Scott will all be to happy to fight PAC, but both of this guys will even ask for the moon, and that is not viable...

a PAC-JMM 2, definitely a potentially great fight, HBO only gave 1.5M budget, how much would they dish out for a fight against Scott or Injin, i guess not that much ...
pac-jmm 2, definitely it will forcely to happen...that's why the promoters are interested to deal it,but the question was, would marquez accept the deal even the pay price is higher than of what he expected?

pac-jmm 2, definitely it will forcely to happen...that's why the promoters are interested to deal it,but the question was, would marquez accept the deal even the pay price is higher than of what he expected?
what do you mean with higher pay? who gets what?

what do you mean with higher pay? who gets what?
bro: higher than the cash amount pacquiao would get.

so we do both agree that pac should go back to featherweight?

Definitely. At least for the meantime. No Morales rematch or JMM and MAB for the moment. And take Chi or Harrison. Larios is also a good match up. Pac needs the rest to recuperate physically. A good tune up bout will be good for his ego and to rebuild confidence, before tackling any of the top 3.

Pac is still young and he certainly has more good fights left in him! What's important and what sets him apart from the others is that he always fight a great fight and he always gives his all! A true warrior. A true hero for the Filipinos! Mabuhay si Pac!!!! :boxing:

Definitely. At least for the meantime. No Morales rematch or JMM and MAB for the moment. And take Chi or Harrison. Larios is also a good match up. Pac needs the rest to recuperate physically. A good tune up bout will be good for his ego and to rebuild confidence, before tackling any of the top 3.

Pac is still young and he certainly has more good fights left in him! What's important and what sets him apart from the others is that he always fight a great fight and he always gives his all! A true warrior. A true hero for the Filipinos! Mabuhay si Pac!!!! :boxing:
i also agree, i really think a young fighter like manny has still alot to prove to the boxing fans. he should challenge lesser known champions first, at least to get the monkey off his back. you know, this would lessen the pressure on him to win, and win big. in jin chin would be a better match up, an all asian show down. the matchup against harrison will happen not in a million years, of if the englishman would want to fight manny outside his own turf.

i also agree, i really think a young fighter like manny has still alot to prove to the boxing fans. he should challenge lesser known champions first, at least to get the monkey off his back. you know, this would lessen the pressure on him to win, and win big. in jin chin would be a better match up, an all asian show down. the matchup against harrison will happen not in a million years, of if the englishman would want to fight manny outside his own turf.
that's right! a good match-up like injin chi is the better opponent for him. the question is,do he willing to accept the fight?, there's a report comes from the back door that says: chi was trying to ignore pacquiao,i hope this is not true...harrison is willing to fight pacquiao,but where?
manny has a lot of opportunity, i hope his management team would not force him, slowly but surely...like the mexicans never hurry it up for a big fight. :boxing:

oh! no....i smell there's a rematch. they push it to have a rematch in september. how is it true? if this thing will settled i hope pacquiao will gather a 100 percent confidence... :boxing:

oh! no....i smell there's a rematch. they push it to have a rematch in september. how is it true? if this thing will settled i hope pacquiao will gather a 100 percent confidence... :boxing:


This is also what I have been reading and hearing....A rematch in either July or September....most likely in September.

This is also what I have been reading and hearing....A rematch in either July or September....most likely in September.
same as i heard! bro.

Guys, I am not saying the PAC should go back to FW, IMHO he should go for the belts, as of now MAB, JMM, Injin, Scott has the belts that am referring to ...

and i also think that 130 should be his limit and I don't mind if PAC would have an immediate re-match with EM, I know the risk is there but that's the shortest route to greatness ...

Guys, I am not saying the PAC should go back to FW, IMHO he should go for the belts, as of now MAB, JMM, Injin, Scott has the belts that am referring to ...

and i also think that 130 should be his limit and I don't mind if PAC would have an immediate re-match with EM, I know the risk is there but that's the shortest route to greatness ...
rematch is not the solution to uplift his ego. pacman did the worst fight that he fought with 30-40 percent mentally prepared.
bro. you have a point that pacman should go back FW to defined his own level to have a belt. don't rush-up,because haste makes waste...he'd never take a short route to test that he is smarter enough...time will come for him...slowly but surely.

marco antonio barrera?- a rematch againts eric morales?
or leaving in 130 and back to 126 for a title match?
which is better? :confused:

bro all the questions will be answered in a few months, now its a waiting game for PAC, enough time to heal the wounds. I just hope that his management team can give him a good fight ...

bro all the questions will be answered in a few months, now its a waiting game for PAC, enough time to heal the wounds. I just hope that his management team can give him a good fight ...
ok! this time is for pacquiao to heal his wound after his fight.
i hope his management team will settle him for a good match!

ok! this time is for pacquiao to heal his wound after his fight.
i hope his management team will settle him for a good match!

But first thing first. He should first do some good house cleaning and trim his so-called management team. By now, he should know who's genuinely with him and who's only after his purse. :rolleyes:

But first thing first. He should first do some good house cleaning and trim his so-called management team. By now, he should know who's genuinely with him and who's only after his purse. :rolleyes:
his purse? did pacquiao change his identity after the fight? before the fight? lots of people says he's very lack in focus and overconfident of what he had right now...

pacman where do you go know? :chomp:

pacman where do you go know? :chomp:

i seen in DONG PUNO LIVE, with the long vacation imminent,PAC will do a movie, then have a come backfight against a Mexican fighter around july, before engaging in a re-match with either of the 3Ms ...

i seen in DONG PUNO LIVE, with the long vacation imminent,PAC will do a movie, then have a come backfight against a Mexican fighter around july, before engaging in a re-match with either of the 3Ms ...
pacman as an actor...sounds funny but he is famous enough to do a movie.. :boxing:

marco antonio barrera?- a rematch againts eric morales?
or leaving in 130 and back to 126 for a title match?
which is better? :confused:

don't you have enough of MAB vs EM yet?

I think he should take up scott harrison in SF for a tune up bout, then either Morales/JMM september. He doesnt need another fashsan to "boost his confidence", I think he has enough of it. He needs boxing skills and to get used to his weight. No point in dropping to featherweight, if he drops then he can forget Morales II. With Morales thinking of going up lightweight, the gap will be even further.

pacman as an actor...sounds funny but he is famous enough to do a movie.. :boxing:

he he he...

got to add that some people are asking him to go into politics ...

don't you have enough of MAB vs EM yet?

only thing keeping Erik at 130 are the big fights, and one of those big fights is MAB-EM 4, but i would love to see EM-PAC 2 first ...

I think he should take up scott harrison in SF for a tune up bout, then either Morales/JMM september. He doesnt need another fashsan to "boost his confidence", I think he has enough of it. He needs boxing skills and to get used to his weight. No point in dropping to featherweight, if he drops then he can forget Morales II. With Morales thinking of going up lightweight, the gap will be even further.

good points buddy, but i don't think Scott will throw away his FW belt to fight at SFW ...

good points buddy, but i don't think Scott will throw away his FW belt to fight at SFW ...
that's right bro., he never put to his mind to fight in u.s.,even though there's a big offered to him. he never take the risk to throw his belt especially for pacman is concerned.

only thing keeping Erik at 130 are the big fights, and one of those big fights is MAB-EM 4, but i would love to see EM-PAC 2 first ...
that's right joms, em-pac2 ahead...as the ppv favored to a rematch2 for em-pac...because the high gross they earned rather than em-mab3. :boxing:

I think he should take up scott harrison in SF for a tune up bout, then either Morales/JMM september. He doesnt need another fashsan to "boost his confidence", I think he has enough of it. He needs boxing skills and to get used to his weight. No point in dropping to featherweight, if he drops then he can forget Morales II. With Morales thinking of going up lightweight, the gap will be even further.
good comment bro., dropping in featherweight is useless but taking the risk of what being unready or unprepared will cause like what happened to him at em-pac1.

i think he should go back to featherweight division. fight in jin chi, to get back his confidence, i know he'll win this one. then go after marquez for the unification of the wbc, wba, and ibf.

i agree. injin is a lighter opponent compared to the 3M's! but will he earn more than 500k USD with that fight?

i agree. injin is a lighter opponent compared to the 3M's! but will he earn more than 500k USD with that fight?
yes! a lighter opponent- less amount of earnings...
but title match is better for him...

i agree with Injin, Scott. he proved his point already with the big 3 but if its personal..I support him. anyways..Morales is moving up in weight and MAB I heard in an article "does not want to fight him again..hmmm". Wouldn't mind marquez..no need to rush, its early.

I never seen Scott Harrison fight though I've heard of him as a boxing champ. Can anyone give a back-grounder of the man and what are the chances of Manny beating him. A fair assessment please.

Thank you.

i'm wondering,who's next after the lost of pacquiao...it's been a long time before it happened. after a long journey of knock outs with his powerfull punch. the day comes, and i ask to myself what his next move after this nightmare. would pacquiao back at 126 or stay at 130 to face barrera?

I believe that Manny should stay at superfeatherweight and further improve his already excellent skills. But he should carefully choose his opponents. For example, Jose Luis Castillo wiould be TOO BIG for him!

I believe that Manny should stay at superfeatherweight and further improve his already excellent skills. But he should carefully choose his opponents. For example, Jose Luis Castillo wiould be TOO BIG for him!
i guess you mean featherweight. he should take his time, he's still young. he should learn from the more experienced boxers in his division (126) by facing them.

talent alone may not be enough to bring a fighter to greatness, he needs experience. the loss to morales is probably the best thing that happened to him (if he looks at its brightest side)

i agree. injin is a lighter opponent compared to the 3M's! but will he earn more than 500k USD with that fight?

he has a guranteed 500K minimum per fight contract with Murad...

i guess you mean featherweight. he should take his time, he's still young. he should learn from the more experienced boxers in his division (126) by facing them.

talent alone may not be enough to bring a fighter to greatness, he needs experience. the loss to morales is probably the best thing that happened to him (if he looks at its brightest side)

every time PAC loss a fight he came back better a better fighter...

talent alone may not be enough to bring a fighter to greatness, he needs experience. the loss to morales is probably the best thing that happened to him (if he looks at its brightest side)
This post starts off good, but the rest is laughable. It's absolutely true that Manny needs experience, but it seems Manny cannot capitalize on the experience simply because he is not blessed with the SKILL to make the necessary adjustments.

Manny's success (including Barrera) is based on the tools that got him near the top of the Feather scene, which is a big fast left, over and over again. But, that's just not enough.

Manny had his chances at the top Feather guys and didn't pull it off. So far he's beat Barrera by bombing him early and messing him up. That same approach didn't work against either Marquez or Morales. What can Manny possibly "learn" that he hasn't already been taught?


Both Morales and Marquez, on the other hand, have shown what a deeply skilled, top-tier boxer can do when faced with a new "experience", they adjust fugggin' quickly.

Manny's experience with Morales will probably prove to be nothing but a war, full stop. I don't see Manny making any adjustments, based on some knowledge gained in that war, that he can draw on in the future. Manny gave it all against a guy who had answers, in the form of chin heart and skill. Manny has power and speed and has definitely proven that he's got heart and can take a shot, but didn't show that he "learned" much from his Marquez experience. In fact, the Morales fight pretty much cemented Manny as the #3 guy at Feather, behind Marquez and Morales.

God bless Manny, but he's not very adaptable. He hasn't needed to be either, until he met the Mexicans.

This post starts off good, but the rest is laughable. It's absolutely true that Manny needs experience, but it seems Manny cannot capitalize on the experience simply because he is not blessed with the SKILL to make the necessary adjustments.

Manny's success (including Barrera) is based on the tools that got him near the top of the Feather scene, which is a big fast left, over and over again. But, that's just not enough.
Manny had his chances at the top Feather guys and didn't pull it off. So far he's beat Barrera by bombing him early and messing him up. That same approach didn't work against either Marquez or Morales. What can Manny possibly "learn" that he hasn't already been taught?


Both Morales and Marquez, on the other hand, have shown what a deeply skilled, top-tier boxer can do when faced with a new "experience", they adjust fugggin' quickly.

Manny's experience with Morales will probably prove to be nothing but a war, full stop. I don't see Manny making any adjustments, based on some knowledge gained in that war, that he can draw on in the future. Manny gave it all against a guy who had answers, in the form of chin heart and skill. Manny has power and speed and has definitely proven that he's got heart and can take a shot, but didn't show that he "learned" much from his Marquez experience. In fact, the Morales fight pretty much cemented Manny as the #3 guy at Feather, behind Marquez and Morales.

God bless Manny, but he's not very adaptable. He hasn't needed to be either, until he met the Mexicans.

1) No. Barrera wasn't blitzed ala Marquez. Pac hit the body and head with both fists. Barrera was worked on for 11 full rounds.

2) If you've seen Manny before the mexicans, you'll know he's made tremendous improvements. With improvements comes growth and that comes with time. He ain't hit a deadend wall here.

3) He used one punch in the Marquez fight, did you see the same against Morales? At least I didn't. He used the Barrera gameplan which were a barrage of punches but Morales was waiting for that and used it against him.

Bottom line is that he is 26 with a record of (1-1-1) against the three best featherweights of the past ten years in FOUR fights having less experience than any of the three. When someone says Pac is not capable of learning new things, THAT'S laughable and shows they didn't know the fighter before he became mainstream. He's young and you can only get better with time.

1) No. Barrera wasn't blitzed ala Marquez. Pac hit the body and head with both fists. Barrera was worked on for 11 full rounds.
2) If you've seen Manny before the mexicans, you'll know he's made tremendous improvements. With improvements comes growth and that comes with time. He ain't hit a deadend wall here.
3) He used one punch in the Marquez fight, did you see the same against Morales? At least I didn't. He used the Barrera gameplan which were a barrage of punches but Morales was waiting for that and used it against him.
Bottom line is that he is 26 with a record of (1-1-1) against the three best featherweights of the past ten years in FOUR fights having less experience than any of the three. When someone says Pac is not capable of learning new things, THAT'S laughable and shows they didn't know the fighter before he became mainstream. He's young and you can only get better with time.
MOOKS .... I trust you for being committed and able to support your arguments, however .....

We actually agree that Barrera was not blitzed, as you say, but (and we'll disagree here) Manny did not need to on that night. Manny figured that out early. It was about "styles", in part, but it was more about the version of Barrera that showed-up that night. I cannot be convinced that the Barrera we saw was the Barrera we would see next time around. Give Manny the impressive TKO of a Legend, who was the lesser man, on that day.

I've seen as much of Manny as most other North Americans, prior to the three amigos. Let's agree he's improved. My point is he tried some different stuff against Morales, but it was not very effective, which brings him back to his big guns, which are his ony dependable tools. Otherwise, what Manny has "learned" from his recent "experience" from Barrera through to Morales has not been effective. Sure he depended less on his speed/power Left, but where did it get him? His impression on Morales, like Marquez, was enitirely and sigularly that lunging power left hand. Deadly shot, man, but his only truly marketable tool aginst the better top-tier guys.

Again, I was excited about Pac's arrival, but also sad to see Barrera owned. I was also screamin' at the TV when Pac had Marquez down, thinking it was the Second Coming man, but then was more awed by Marquez who showed what Championship stuff is all about. Then there's Morales handling pac's biggest and best shots, while also outpointing him with an arsenal. Sure the record is 1-1-1, and very impressive for any fighter, but he's actually beat just one of the top three Feathers, and outboxed by the others.

I don't see Pac becoming suddenly "boxing savvy" through his experiences with Morales or Marquez. He's had his chances against the top three and he's got a single victory for his efforts, against a guy who didn't show-up.

By the way, Pac's speed and power are a sight to behold. But I'm equally impressed with the fact that he is a clean fighter. That doesn't seem to get much attention, but Pac represents everything that is good about boxing today. Gotta' give it to him.

for me there is still a lot of unanswered questions that only rematches with the 3Ms will answer, all we have now are speculations ...

and like what i keep on repeating over and over, everytime PAC loss he came back a better fighter, with PAC their is always a lot of room for improvement ...

WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE BEST OF THE PAC MAN !!!

WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE BEST OF THE PAC MAN !!!
You see Pac improving, I don't. But it's not as simple as that. Pac might bring some new tools to the ring in his very next fight, and when he shows them it looks like he's improved and it's a "better" PacMan. However, like any fighter, if those tools are not effective and he loses that fight, has he improved?

Yes, he's improved 'cause he's throwing more stuff or different stuff. But, the answer is no at the same time, 'cause his arsenal is still not effective enough to get the win.

A master counter puncher like Marquez takes apart Pac when he's a bit too Left Hand Happy. Pac mixes-in his right hand, which should be very effective against most guys, but not against a smarter Morales-type guy.

Question JOMO, when the once-again improved Pac returns to the ring against one of the three amigos, shouldn't we expect that there's a good chance the opponent will also be "improved" from his recent experiences?

I still go for the fact that I want pac to fight a lighter oponent for a good workout. i don't want any risk taking at this stage in his career.

You see Pac improving, I don't. But it's not as simple as that. Pac might bring some new tools to the ring in his very next fight, and when he shows them it looks like he's improved and it's a "better" PacMan. However, like any fighter, if those tools are not effective and he loses that fight, has he improved?

Yes, he's improved 'cause he's throwing more stuff or different stuff. But, the answer is no at the same time, 'cause his arsenal is still not effective enough to get the win.

A master counter puncher like Marquez takes apart Pac when he's a bit too Left Hand Happy. Pac mixes-in his right hand, which should be very effective against most guys, but not against a smarter Morales-type guy.

Question JOMO, when the once-again improved Pac returns to the ring against one of the three amigos, shouldn't we expect that there's a good chance the opponent will also be "improved" from his recent experiences?

MAB = will make a lot of improvement on the next fight but still wont be enough ...

EM = is at his peak, and will stay that way for a couple of years more, i don't think he can get any better ...

JMM = his technical skills is at its peak no more room for improvement, he should fight PAC, ASAP, he is just keep on getting older...

everytime PAC loss, its not only the tools that he uses improves, but his dedication to his craft is what get the most boost ...

he sets a target and get it ...

everytime PAC loss, its not only the tools that he uses improves, but his dedication to his craft is what get the most boost ...

he sets a target and get it ...
JOMO ... I appreciate your enthusiasm regarding the benefits of losing, but I don't get it. Sure his dedication might get a boost, but I don't see pac meeting his target of beating the top guys and attaining Champion status, except, maybe by beating Barrera. Even then, it's Marquez and Morales that pac has not beat, so it's with Marquez and Morales that Pac's Greatness depends.

JOMO ... I appreciate your enthusiasm regarding the benefits of losing, but I don't get it. Sure his dedication might get a boost, but I don't see pac meeting his target of beating the top guys and attaining Champion status, except, maybe by beating Barrera. Even then, it's Marquez and Morales that pac has not beat, so it's with Marquez and Morales that Pac's Greatness depends.

that's our difference buddy, you cant see PAC beating JMM or EM, but I can see it ...

JMM can be hurt by PAC and i dont see (hope) Juan make an escape act like he did the first time, EM is much harder to beat, but it can be done maybe PAC could borrow MAB's formula...

JMM can be hurt by PAC and i dont see (hope) Juan make an escape act like he did the first time
Respect your opinion JOMO.

But (you knew that was coming) Juan proved he could take Pac's left hand and stay upright, after that first round. In fact, he was eating the left hand late in the first and was throwing back. That scenario does not look good for Pac the second time around, 'cause he's not gonna' get Juan going toe-to-toe early.

Regarding Marquez's "escape act", I figured he disappeared in the first round, but pretty much was in that fight for the next 11 rounds. Unless Pac can get more than one or two KD's in the rematch, Marquez would probably beat him.

If you thought Morales was slick, remember this, he fought Pac based on Marquez's success. Marquez was able to "adjust" during that fight and will certainly make whatever adjustments are required to elude that Big Left and outpoint pac over 12 rounds in the rematch. That's Marquez's plan when he approaches all his fights. It's not a glamourous KO, but it's a win.

that's our difference buddy, you cant see PAC beating JMM or EM, but I can see it ...
JOMO ... here's a real question.

What is it that you believe Pac can bring to Morales and/or Marquez next time around? To be successful I mean.

right hurrr guys, whats happenin.

Munn


We actually agree that Barrera was not blitzed, as you say, but (and we'll disagree here) Manny did not need to on that night. Manny figured that out early. It was about "styles", in part, but it was more about the version of Barrera that showed-up that night. I cannot be convinced that the Barrera we saw was the Barrera we would see next time around. Give Manny the impressive TKO of a Legend, who was the lesser man, on that day.


I agree that Barrera was off, that's why the beating was so bad in the first place. A well focused Barera would have put on a a much tougher fight although I strongly believe it was about styles. Pac would always be the younger, stronger, faster fighter and I don't see what Barera could have done differently.

I mean he's also a great counterpuncher but nothing like Marquez' game. He has awesome short compact punches but he got the worst of inside exchanges cuz of Pac's handspeed. His jab got him knocked down in first fight and he doesn't posses Morales' reach to pick Pac off on the outside. Nah, I can't see a different outcome but this is boxing so anything can happen.

At 130 though, the speed factor could be equalized and it could be a totally different story. But at featherweight,I doubt he can beat Manny.

I've seen as much of Manny as most other North Americans, prior to the three amigos. Let's agree he's improved. My point is he tried some different stuff against Morales, but it was not very effective, which brings him back to his big guns, which are his ony dependable tools. Otherwise, what Manny has "learned" from his recent "experience" from Barrera through to Morales has not been effective. Sure he depended less on his speed/power Left, but where did it get him? His impression on Morales, like Marquez, was enitirely and sigularly that lunging power left hand. Deadly shot, man, but his only truly marketable tool aginst the better top-tier guys.


Well it's not really fair to say that what he's learned hasn't effective cuz he was experementing with these new tools on master boxers and as you say, top-tier fighters. He did show visible improvements against his tune up back in December which was the fight but again, these things take time and it hasn't been a year since he made his addition. (I don't think he worked on other tools after the Barrera fight seeing as the latter got manhandled )


I don't see Pac becoming suddenly "boxing savvy" through his experiences with Morales or Marquez. He's had his chances against the top three and he's got a single victory for his efforts, against a guy who didn't show-up.

By the way, Pac's speed and power are a sight to behold. But I'm equally impressed with the fact that he is a clean fighter. That doesn't seem to get much attention, but Pac represents everything that is good about boxing today. Gotta' give it to him.


No, Pac will never be a savy boxer cuz that's not him. He needs to add more dimensions to his attacks (hopefully throw punches with his feet well planted) and work on his defense but all in due time...

JOMO ... here's a real question.

What is it that you believe Pac can bring to Morales and/or Marquez next time around? To be successful I mean.

hunger & fire ...

PAC-JMM 2, As much as you believe JMM can take PAC's punches, I do believe their will be more KDs in the next fight and we can make bet on that...

I just hope it happens very soon, like what i mentioned earlier, I dont want Juan Manuel to grow old on PAC ...

i'm wondering,who's next after the lost of pacquiao...it's been a long time before it happened. after a long journey of knock outs with his powerfull punch. the day comes, and i ask to myself what his next move after this nightmare. would pacquiao back at 126 or stay at 130 to face barrera?
Look @ my thread ,perhaps z gorrez will be the next champ. but wait,let's put pacman on a peak center of glory.He's coming back.
Morales wasnt able to tko him, huuhh, we'll see on to their rematch. :)
PACMAN SHALL RETURN!!!

hunger & fire ...

PAC-JMM 2, As much as you believe JMM can take PAC's punches, I do believe their will be more KDs in the next fight and we can make bet on that......
JOMO ... take a look again at the end of Round 1 and early Round 2. Pac langs flush Left Hands down the pipe, but Marquez stays up and doesn't take a step back. That's looking abit like Morales' to me. Once Marquez decided to stay squared-up, the mold was set for him to keep eating those Lefts, but he made that choice and his ass hit the dirt. He adusted, but Pac's speed made that left land, but JMM kept throwing (countering) for every left that got through.

MAB = will make a lot of improvement on the next fight but still wont be enough ...
JOMO ... MOOKS

Cool that you guys can lean so Heavily toward the Pac, but prop Barrera at the same time. That properly puts Pac's win over Barrera into perspective, without simply becoming "fanatic".

Best part is, you also see that Barrera was not all there, and got what he deserved. I'd love to see JMM-Pac again, but can't help thinking that Barrera-Pac has the makings of a truly Legendary bout. Think about this, if Barrera shows-up and there's no question about his readiness, and Pac gets the win, Manny is instantly approaching Legend status himself. Can't wait, it's the fight I want to see. Too bad about that bad cut though, it'll keep Pac out of the ring till the end of the year.

Munn buddy, i really want to see PAC have another run at the gaunlet of the 3Ms to answer all questions, nothing has change PAC's road to greatness is still through Mexico ...

Its really a bummer that Manny has to let his wound heal for at least six months but PAC mentioned in an interview in the Philippines that his team is planning for a fight in July most probably against a Mexican as tune up before challenging the 3Ms around Sept...

I really want to see these fights PAC-EM 2, PAC-JMM 2 & PAC-MAB 2 ...

A lot of things can Happen. but as for me. iwant him to fight some easy opponents first to get used to the weight and then go fight MAB or EVEN EM for a rematch. Somone light first.
i dont think Manny is having dificulty with the weight. i think its the way he's been trying to adopt his new style which is to use more of the right hand. but i do think that he needs to fight someone a little bit easier to be more comfortable and effective with his right. it was so visible that his right hand is still too slow to set his left.

i think he should go back to featherweight division. fight in jin chi, to get back his confidence, i know he'll win this one. then go after marquez for the unification of the wbc, wba, and ibf.
before Manny tries to do that, i think he needs to master his technique against JMM. coz he showed in his fight against EM that when EM used JMM's style, he still had a very hard time landing his power punches and most of the time got caught by jabs and combos. though i'm still one of Pac's nuthuggers, i could honestly believe that Manny may have been exposed by JMM in their last encounter. this means Manny is in big trouble if he and Roach doesnt find a way to solve this.

his purse? did pacquiao change his identity after the fight? before the fight? lots of people says he's very lack in focus and overconfident of what he had right now...
though am a real Pac fan, i think i agree with you on this one. Pac's mind is all mixed up. and i think Finkel has a lot of things to prove his worth for Pacquiao by fixin' things up. specially now that he alrady earned 25% on Manny's $1.75M purse. otherwise, it might turn out that Murad is right that Finkel and company MAY be doing this only to sabotage Murad, thus MAY have affected Manny's performance. and that next time around, if there's any problem at all, they should be bringing those problems to Manny's attention after the fight and not prior.

i agree with Injin, Scott. he proved his point already with the big 3 but if its personal..I support him. anyways..Morales is moving up in weight and MAB I heard in an article "does not want to fight him again..hmmm". Wouldn't mind marquez..no need to rush, its early.
i think the reason why MAB doesnt want to fight Pac is simply becoz he wants his belt to cling around his waist a little longer by trying to avoid risky fights too early.

JOMO ... here's a real question.

What is it that you believe Pac can bring to Morales and/or Marquez next time around? To be successful I mean.
BRAIN! Pac can surely develop great skills. he has proven this by showing his uppercuts and right hooks in his last two fights. but there's only one thing i can see most effective against the like of EM and JMM... that is the use of BRAIN everytime these guys run around the ring. Pac needs to find a way to catch them with his power punch(es). he can either do this by doing the same boxing technique or in-out-run technique. the problem that these two guys gave to Manny was their slickness by running around the ring thus wore out Manny's patience and got distracted and lost his concentration in his punches. Manny's effectiveness lies in his own confedence everytime his punches lands effectively. but when his opponent keeps him missing, he started to break out. Roach and Manny must find a way to control Manny's patience and concentrate on this style coz i do think this is his weakness.

hunger & fire ...

PAC-JMM 2, As much as you believe JMM can take PAC's punches, I do believe their will be more KDs in the next fight and we can make bet on that...

I just hope it happens very soon, like what i mentioned earlier, I dont want Juan Manuel to grow old on PAC ...
i hate to disagree with you buddy. but i think the reason why JMM was down is coz he (JMM) was caught by surprise when Pac used the fake (that is an example of what i call the BRAIN but it cant always be that effective). after the 1st round, JMM watched his left and havent got KDed and Pac was visibly having a hard time landing his left. in Pac-EM fight, EM used the same technique that JMM used and again, Pac obviously had a hard time catching EM. this means that this technique that JMM used against Pacman is the formula to dissolve his power punches therefore escaping a 12 round fight with less KD's. that is until Manny finds a way to be more effective on their style.

BRAIN! Pac can surely develop great skills. he has proven this by showing his uppercuts and right hooks in his last two fights.
You place Pac's current skills against most other Feathers and he puts on a show with both hands. Against JMM and Morales, his effectiveness was diluted and he needed to fall-back on his money-maker, the Big Left. Pac is very capable of developing whatever "new" skills he wants, because he's dedicated to the game and he's trainable. But, that's in the gym. Transferring those skills to the ring, against guys who already have those skills, is another thing altogether.

Pac's left hand coming up worked wonders, we all saw it, against 3K, but was absent against Erik. Manny threw it sparingly aginst Erik, because it was not a "skill" that would have worked well against an outside guy who counters like magic. We'll probably see it again in MAB II.

Pac's right hook/jab were also not too effective against Erik. Sure Pac scored with the right, but the damage can only be done with that left when facing those top-tier, outside guys.

You place Pac's current skills against most other Feathers and he puts on a show with both hands. Against JMM and Morales, his effectiveness was diluted and he needed to fall-back on his money-maker, the Big Left. Pac is very capable of developing whatever "new" skills he wants, because he's dedicated to the game and he's trainable. But, that's in the gym. Transferring those skills to the ring, against guys who already have those skills, is another thing altogether.

Pac's left hand coming up worked wonders, we all saw it, against 3K, but was absent against Erik. Manny threw it sparingly aginst Erik, because it was not a "skill" that would have worked well against an outside guy who counters like magic. We'll probably see it again in MAB II.

Pac's right hook/jab were also not too effective against Erik. Sure Pac scored with the right, but the damage can only be done with that left when facing those top-tier, outside guys.
you're right bro.,his amazing power left hook absently shown in that fight...i hope next time he will use it.... :boxing:

PacMan has to get a new trainer - my first pick would be Emanuel Steward-Emanuel can make PacMan into a complete fighter (boxer-puncher) instead of his one-dimensional style - that can only take you so far in the game.

PacMan has to get a new trainer - my first pick would be Emanuel Steward-Emanuel can make PacMan into a complete fighter (boxer-puncher) instead of his one-dimensional style - that can only take you so far in the game.
he had a great trainer, the problem what i've seen to pacquiao is his mental state and lost of concentration...

i'm wondering,who's next after the lost of pacquiao...it's been a long time before it happened. after a long journey of knock outs with his powerfull punch. the day comes, and i ask to myself what his next move after this nightmare. would pacquiao back at 126 or stay at 130 to face barrera?I think he should keep his options open and fight whoever presents him with a big fight. I don't see why he can't attempt to collect all the belts at 126 and at 130 though he'll obviously find it a bit more challenging at the heavier weight.

I think he should keep his options open and fight whoever presents him with a big fight. I don't see why he can't attempt to collect all the belts at 126 and at 130 though he'll obviously find it a bit more challenging at the heavier weight.

i do agree he should keep his options open ...

he had a great trainer, the problem what i've seen to pacquiao is his mental state and lost of concentration...

I actually agree with castillo. As great a trainer Freddie Roach is, I think his mentality is fine tune and improve the skills that his fighters already have. And in my opininion, Manny needs more dimensions in his attack to be even more successfull.

I think he should keep his options open and fight whoever presents him with a big fight. I don't see why he can't attempt to collect all the belts at 126 and at 130 though he'll obviously find it a bit more challenging at the heavier weight.
he should gain more experience at 126 and use this as his leverage at 130

BRAIN! Pac can surely develop great skills. he has proven this by showing his uppercuts and right hooks in his last two fights.

i could honestly believe that Manny may have been exposed by JMM in their last encounter. this means Manny is in big trouble if he and Roach doesnt find a way to solve this.
Which world do you live in? The one where Manny was "exposed" (which I believe is reality), or is it the world where Manny will develop more effective skills? By the way, do you really think that Pac's "uppercuts and right hooks" were effective against Morales, really? I don't either, thus the "exposed" theory is looking better.

Which world do you live in? The one where Manny was "exposed" (which I believe is reality), or is it the world where Manny will develop more effective skills? By the way, do you really think that Pac's "uppercuts and right hooks" were effective against Morales, really? I don't either, thus the "exposed" theory is looking better.

that theory may be looking better but IMHO its not definitive until PAC fights the 3Ms again...

Munn who do you think Manny should face next, most of us PACFANS wants an immediate rematch with EM but a lot of us are also keeping our options open who we want to see him againts (MAB, JMM, Barrios, Peden, Injin, Scott all World Title Belt Holders), if he will fight a tuneup fight i don't want to see with another 3K an Oscar Larios will work for me ...

IMO, manny should try to get a legitimate belt, then he could attract fighters more... barrera and morales are title hungry, so is JMM so it will wise to go for titles of those outside the three M's...

IMO, manny should try to get a legitimate belt, then he could attract fighters more... barrera and morales are title hungry, so is JMM so it will wise to go for titles of those outside the three M's...
he should go back to 126 and challenge in jin chi.

he should go back to 126 and challenge in jin chi.
he should go back or a rematch against el terrible?
no matter what they are thinking for the future of pacquiao...
they should be prepared of any consequences they have plan for him...a title belt is much better..