Im not sure if they made a thread on this already because I just checked right now but do you think the weight affected Pacmans KO power? Was it a factor?

I don't think so. Pac-Man showed he had the power and honestly, 4 lbs is nothing. Was it a factor? No, it wasn't. Not at all.

Not power but speed. He looked slower and heavy. He got tired quick as well. But again if your looking for Pac fans to make excuses, I'm not giving you one. EM was the better man that night and showed why he was a force to wreckon with.

Morales has a great chin AND power when moving up in weight is sometimes relative to the opponent's ability to take the punches...meaning that Morales is accustomed to taking 130lb power...so Pacs major 126lb power may still be there...but Morales just may be used to it...and again he has a great chin...

Not power but speed. He looked slower and heavy. He got tired quick as well. But again if your looking for Pac fans to make excuses, I'm not giving you one. EM was the better man that night and showed why he was a force to wreckon with.
well pacs speed was his power
i dont think he hits that hard
when he hit mab and jmm it was just hard shots
but they dropped them cuz of the blinding speed
but he didnt have speed now
so his hit was easily absorded

pac was only 3 pounds heavier than at 126 against it was either barrera or marquez (136 i believe he weighed) he weighed 139 for Morales.

Also he got the wind nocked out of him by Morales i think thats one of the reasons he looked winded in the beginning. You see Morales making him miss and coming in with hooks to Pacquiaos mid section.

I think Morale's aggression coupled with the fact that he's naturally bigger and physically more imposing had more to do than power. Pac is a helluva puncher but it jus doesn't hav the same effect against a iron willed man like Erik who also happens to be stronger. I think the long haul and Pac's inability to detonate Morales wore on Manny's will jus b/c Morales weight is more functional where Manny's weight is jus put on to fight at a higher division.

I think it affected him alittle, but not that much.

I think Morales beat him and there isn`t any excuses. Face it, live with it and learn to love it. Erik Morales is a beater fighter than Pac man!

well pacs speed was his power
i dont think he hits that hard
when he hit mab and jmm it was just hard shots
but they dropped them cuz of the blinding speed
but he didnt have speed now
so his hit was easily absorded

Nah I think his power was there otherwise he wouldn't have hurt Erik in the first with the body shot and stun him a couple of times.

Nah I think his power was there otherwise he wouldn't have hurt Erik in the first with the body shot and stun him a couple of times.
well see its only logical hed still have his normal blisteren speed in the early rounds
but as the wieght kicked in and slowed him down
his power was less effective

well see its only logical hed still have his normal blisteren speed in the early rounds
but as the wieght kicked in and slowed him down
his power was less effective

Yeah, he was strong in the first few rounds, after the 5th and the cut, he looked like he wore down and only did enough void a blow out. He stood in front of Morales, even Roach was telling him to get off first.

Yeah, he was strong in the first few rounds, after the 5th and the cut, he looked like he wore down and only did enough void a blow out. He stood in front of Morales, even Roach was telling him to get off first.
yup
but i dont think it was just the cut
he just cant handle thier punches
like with jmm
roach is tellen him the same ****
dont just stand their
pressure him

yup
but i dont think it was just the cut
he just cant handle thier punches
like with jmm
roach is tellen him the same ****
dont just stand their
pressure him

It's different with JMM. I'd say he was hurt then. I think it's what Ultimate was saying. Morales strong piercing body shots did a number on Pac as well. Slowed him down considerably. I watched it again, when Pac tried to go to the body, Erik would bend down and hide his body and Pac would have to reach in to hit it. He gets exposed to counters like that. Erik fought smart. He did his homework.

i think it was the body work in the early rounds that got manny... erik is smart and know that manny's speed will make the diff in the fight... and he stopped it...

Yeah. Morales is and always has been a smart fighter that + his balls + his chin = a complete fighter.

morales has all the stuff to beat any fighter in boxing his only problem with barrera was he came in the 2nd fight str8 to war and got tired towards the end in the 3rd he dident prepare right or something was really wrong with him because he seemed pissed off and in the first fight he fought well.

morales juss didnt like barrera and juss wanted to slugg it out with him... if he never fought with anger... he would of beaten barrera all three times .... imo... right now morales is the man.. taken barrera and paquiao in less than a year... thats a true warrior...

At least it wasn't as shameful defeat as Barerra's defeat against the PACMAN... Our PACMAN will surely regain this loss... WATCH OUT FOR IT!!!

Well done Joe Cortez!!!!!!!!!!! Hope you retire from refereeing

yeah no **** joe cortez deserves some credit he just let them go at it.

Not power but speed. He looked slower and heavy. He got tired quick as well. But again if your looking for Pac fans to make excuses, I'm not giving you one. EM was the better man that night and showed why he was a force to wreckon with.

i think morales is too big for pac to ko. i don't think it was the power, i think it is about the gloves (im sure a lot of you would disagree esp. those who don't like pac but i don't care what you say anymore). i don't think he has become a lot slower, it is the same pacman, fast but his power was not very evident during the fight because he was facing a very tough morales and second, he's not landing it solidly (well he has landed a couple solid lefts) but that's not enough when you're to ko a very good and tough mexican fighter! well, morales has said in the post-fight interview that he hadn't felt pac's power at all, well what do you expect, he's got a lot of pride to tell it to the fans. if he had felt it, would he be that silly to accept it? and lastly, the cut on pac's right eyebrow, that cost him the fight. hadn't it happened, pacman could have rallied and win some rounds in the latter part of the fight. well, the fight is over but pac's career is not over yet. this hasn't diminished his good standing in the boxing world, his marketability is still there. let's hope for the best, who knows, there's something good waiting for him next.

i think morales is too big for pac to ko. i don't think it was the power, i think it is about the gloves (im sure a lot of you would disagree esp. those who don't like pac but i don't care what you say anymore). i don't think he has become a lot slower, it is the same pacman, fast but his power was not very evident during the fight because he was facing a very tough morales and second, he's not landing it solidly (well he has landed a couple solid lefts) but that's not enough when you're to ko a very good and tough mexican fighter! well, morales has said in the post-fight interview that he hadn't felt pac's power at all, well what do you expect, he's got a lot of pride to tell it to the fans. if he had felt it, would he be that silly to accept it? and lastly, the cut on pac's right eyebrow, that cost him the fight. hadn't it happened, pacman could have rallied and win some rounds in the latter part of the fight. well, the fight is over but pac's career is not over yet. this hasn't diminished his good standing in the boxing world, his marketability is still there. let's hope for the best, who knows, there's something good waiting for him next.

damn
and here i thought the nuthuggen had ended

yeah no **** joe cortez deserves some credit he just let them go at it.

yeah he deserves some, he owe it to the million of fans watching which tells him that it's not the punch which caused the cut, it was an accidental headbutt!

damn
and here i thought the nuthuggen had ended

call it whatever you want!

Well I always said if Manny was too loose, it would be against someone who will outpower him and who wouldn't be bullied. Add to that that Morales had one of the best chins in boxing and you have a guy that's more than capable of beating Pacquiao. Morales was very smart. He even played with Pac's head. I don't buy his bull**** that he wasn't hurt though. You don't cringe and hold your rib after it was hit and say you weren't hurt. You don't wobble in the 12 round and say you weren't hurt. I have MAD respect for his skills and his balls but I still don't like him as a person lol.

yeah he deserves some, he owe it to the million of fans watching which tells him that it's not the punch which caused the cut, it was an accidental headbutt!
Yeah!!! that's what I was trying to say... It was a clear Head-butt.
I was just being sarcastic by saying well done.

The Mexican fight fans (myself included) need to start showing more class and give credit where credit is do. Pacman put up a hell of a fight and showed that he is a great boxer. And Morales showed that he has what it takes to defeat the best.

m00ks "I have MAD respect for his skills and his balls but I still don't like him as a person lol."

I have to agree.

The Mexican fight fans (myself included) need to start showing more class and give credit where credit is do. Pacman put up a hell of a fight and showed that he is a great boxer. And Morales showed that he has what it takes to defeat the best.

m00ks "I have MAD respect for his skills and his balls but I still don't like him as a person lol."

I have to agree.
where the hell did he show any sort of boxing talent in this fight?
u must be insane if u saw pac show boxing talent 2nite
the only time he looked like he had boxing talent was against MAB

where the hell did he show any sort of boxing talent in this fight?
u must be insane if u saw pac show boxing talent 2nite
the only time he looked like he had boxing talent was against MAB
You didn't saw his talent??? what are you watching??? Nickelodeon???
Be an observer while watching. hehehe
We admit Morales was the better fighter on that fight, but we're not eliminating the head-but factor.

You shouldn't be so biased abdiel2k3, it makes you look immature. Pacman was a very worthy opponent.

You didn't saw his talent??? what are you watching??? Nickelodeon???
Be an observer while watching. hehehe
We admit Morales was the better fighter on that fight, but we're not eliminating the head-but factor.
whats his beadbutt have to do witht he fact that i asked u to tell me when he showed boxing skills
what are watchen cartoon networK?

where the hell did he show any sort of boxing talent in this fight?
u must be insane if u saw pac show boxing talent 2nite
the only time he looked like he had boxing talent was against MAB

Your a worst Morales nuthugger than Pac-nuthuggers if you didn't see Pac's skills. If he didn't Morales would have swept him the full 12 rounds...oh **** it's abdiel, you already think that lol :D

Your a worst Morales nuthugger than Pac-nuthuggers if you didn't see Pac's skills. If he didn't Morales would have swept him the full 12 rounds...oh **** it's abdiel, you already think that lol :D
i saw him win some rounds with his same come forwars style
and left and tryin to mix in a jab and wide ass hooks
but i saw no boxing skill

i saw him win some rounds with his same come forwars style
and left and tryin to mix in a jab and wide ass hooks
but i saw no boxing skill
You will really never see the boxing talent of Pacman if your eyes is glued to Morales. You're the only one BRO... hehehe

i saw him win some rounds with his same come forwars style
and left and tryin to mix in a jab and wide ass hooks
but i saw no boxing skill

lol then your a worse Morales-nuthugger lol You don't connect punches on El Terrible if you don't have any boxing skill. Boxing skill is what seperates a proffesional fighter from your mailman, and I think I saw Manny with Morales in the ring last night...

where the hell did he show any sort of boxing talent in this fight?
u must be insane if u saw pac show boxing talent 2nite
the only time he looked like he had boxing talent was against MAB

This is why boxing is boxing. Everyone's got their own opinion.

I am a Manny fan, first and foremost.

Pac showed his boxing talent last night. He was doing some bobbing and weaving, and he was going to the body in the 1st. He was quick with his defense and he rocked Morales by getting him to parry Manny's right, and punching him hard with his left. Do not say Manny did not show any talent, that's just foolish crap.

Manny also showed great sportsmanship, made all of us filipinos proud, even in defeat! His heart was the size of our population, fought though his face was bloodied. He showed that he indeed has a great chin.

Morales is damn talented. Great tactician tonight, he gained my respect. Showed his iron chin and was pretty damn sneaky as well. Hats off to him. But it was Bullsh1t for him to say he wasn't hurt, he was definitely hurt by Manny in the 1st from the body attack and he was rocked numerous times in the 12th. Manny was hurt too, but he was able to fight back. Damn great fight.

I still believe that Manny will come out victorious in a rematch, I don't care what anyone else thinks, IMO this was close fight that definitely should result in a rematch.

I agree with this quote:
"I have one word of advice for Manny Pacquiao. Indeed, he is a marvel. He is a pure warrior while Erik Morales won by using his brains. Next time, it will be worth Pacquiao’s while if he goes into the mental intricacies of boxing. If he does so and learns, he will be unbeatable."

http://www.philstar.com/philstar/News200503212603.htm

I have to say Morales is better than i thought but to say Pac did not show boxing skills. That is bull**** plain and simple.

maybe i just hold actually boxing skills in a different regard then u guys
u seem to think throwen a jab once n while is boxin
but i dont

maybe i just hold actually boxing skills in a different regard then u guys
u seem to think throwen a jab once n while is boxin
but i dont

Good for you to focus on just one point, it was JUST AN EXAMPLE. It's not just the jab, Manny showed that he is slick, isn't that being skillfull? Seeing an opportunity to go to the body because Morales was covering up his chin and laying low, and going for it, that's a display of skill too. I mean Manny stepped in to the left and banged Morales to the side of his body. Screw anymore examples, just bring on the damn rematch after some much needed RnR... I'm sure Manny's licking his lips for a second chance too.

Morales was also sneaky with hiding his right and spearing his jab at Manny.

As if Morales was so dominating... I saw this thrilling fight as a close one.

Good for you to focus on just one point, it was JUST AN EXAMPLE. It's not just the jab fool, Manny is slick, isn't that being skillfull. Seeing an opportunity to go to the body because Morales was covering up his chin and laying low. I mean Manny stepped in to the left and banged Morales to the side of his body.

As if Morales was so dominating... I saw this thrilling fight as a close one.
manny slick?
hahahaha
hes such an easy target

he did try to go the body but didnt land much

Manny slick.....
lmao
hahahhahaha
2 funny man
just 2 funny

manny slick?
hahahaha
hes such an easy target

he did try to go the body but didnt land much

Manny slick.....
lmao
hahahhahaha
2 funny man
just 2 funny

This guy's an idiot. It's fools like this that make Morales fans look bad.

That is clearly a result of too much nickelodeon!!!

manny has heart...it was a great fight...but after seeing that...i have not doubt that in JMM or MAB rematch he could lose also..the blueprint have been made now by 2men...and if MAB can fight a smart fight like this (which is stupid that a lot of manny fans dont give him a chance and underestimate him in a rematch) he could win. Manny has no excuses he foguht out there with heart and will still be well known and respected by his fans and the ones he made. I dont think the weight effected him or the gloves,what did was morales's skills,great fight but i dont think he deservs a rematch,he may even get ko'ed the second time around.

come on dun be so bias... it was a great fight for both... pacman did show good boxing... he was juss out class by a better boxer...

well pacs speed was his power
i dont think he hits that hard
when he hit mab and jmm it was just hard shots
but they dropped them cuz of the blinding speed
but he didnt have speed now
so his hit was easily absorded


I was amazed at how Erik withstood Manny's
punches. And Erik said in the post-fight interview
how he unloaded his best against Manny as well,
but he just kept on coming back.

Classic fight between two great warriors.

i am mexican but i am unbaised i care mot where the fighter is from the truth of the matter is pac is a great fighter just not on the same level as morales. if pac fought barrera the result would be the same since his style plays right in to pac strength as for marquez it really is a toss up i would go with pac in that rematch. but if pac and morales fight it again it will be another one sided drumming like the one pac received on saturday

i am mexican but i am unbaised i care mot where the fighter is from the truth of the matter is pac is a great fighter just not on the same level as morales. if pac fought barrera the result would be the same since his style plays right in to pac strength as for marquez it really is a toss up i would go with pac in that rematch. but if pac and morales fight it again it will be another one sided drumming like the one pac received on saturday


Got some good points there mi amigo.
But when you lose to someone
you go back to the drawing boards and prepare
harder and better. So I'm not to sure if Barrera will
surely lose again to Pac, and in the same manner
Pac surely loses again to Morales.

Got some good points there mi amigo.
But when you lose to someone
you go back to the drawing boards and prepare
harder and better. So I'm not to sure if Barrera will
surely lose again to Pac, and in the same manner
Pac surely loses again to Morales.
arent u suppose to have a morales pic along wiht viva mexico?

arent u suppose to have a morales pic along wiht viva mexico?


Haha. yes i was.
Am waiting for your pic.
ALready have Que Viva Mexico right down there.
good until Monday next week :)

Got some good points there mi amigo.
But when you lose to someone
you go back to the drawing boards and prepare
harder and better. So I'm not to sure if Barrera will
surely lose again to Pac, and in the same manner
Pac surely loses again to Morales.


Just like you said, but styles make fights man look at shane mosley vs forrest mayorga vs forrest Jr jones vs barrera.

maybe i just hold actually boxing skills in a different regard then u guys
u seem to think throwen a jab once n while is boxin
but i dont

hey maybe that's not boxing you're talking about? do you know how to play soccer? you have to try it sometime, maybe just maybe you'll get your consciousness back and learn how to appreciate other's skills!

hey maybe that's not boxing you're talking about? do you know how to play soccer? you have to try it sometime, maybe just maybe you'll get your consciousness back and learn how to appreciate other's skills!
so your sayin manny won rounds cuz he plays soocer?
:confused:

no I think Manny still had the power there, he rocked EM a few times especially in the 12th, speed, at times manny looked faster than Morales but hey maybe morales worked on his speed too

Not to be ****ed up to the manny fans but pacman is out of morales's league sorry.

Pacquiao was not affected by the weight. He said the weight was fine and it is around his natural weight. Obviously as he moves up his speed with slow down, but he is still quicker then any other fighter at 130. Pac still had his power. His power was very visible when he would rush Morales and Erik would back up almost into the ropes. Erik was hurt pretty bad to the body in the first round, I'm not sure why Pacquiao did not stay on the body. Pac got tired because he did not pace himself, he threw a lot of power punches in the early rounds. Morales on the other hand was pacing himself by picking his spots.

Not to be ****ed up to the manny fans but pacman is out of morales's league sorry.

If Pacquiao was out of his league then Erik should of either stopped him or blew him out, neither happened. Erik said after the fight that it was one of the toughest fights of his career.

Pacquiao was not affected by the weight. He said the weight was fine and it is around his natural weight. Obviously as he moves up his speed with slow down, but he is still quicker then any other fighter at 130. Pac still had his power. His power was very visible when he would rush Morales and Erik would back up almost into the ropes. Erik was hurt pretty bad to the body in the first round, I'm not sure why Pacquiao did not stay on the body. Pac got tired because he did not pace himself, he threw a lot of power punches in the early rounds. Morales on the other hand was pacing himself by picking his spots.


he couldent! morales started croching protecting his body and head at the same time morales would then back off and pick his shots and land bombs he was way to accurate and strong he fought very well, I agree on the weight i made a post on because people were suggesting he go to 126 but he was fast and powerful at that weight i think he could hurt some people there.

Pacquiao was not affected by the weight. He said the weight was fine and it is around his natural weight. Obviously as he moves up his speed with slow down, but he is still quicker then any other fighter at 130. Pac still had his power. His power was very visible when he would rush Morales and Erik would back up almost into the ropes. Erik was hurt pretty bad to the body in the first round, I'm not sure why Pacquiao did not stay on the body. Pac got tired because he did not pace himself, he threw a lot of power punches in the early rounds. Morales on the other hand was pacing himself by picking his spots.
Sure, the weight had NO effect.....niether did Morales' right hand I guess either

he couldent! morales started croching protecting his body and head at the same time morales would then back off and pick his shots and land bombs he was way to accurate and strong he fought very well, I agree on the weight i made a post on because people were suggesting he go to 126 but he was fast and powerful at that weight i think he could hurt some people there.

Not in that round, I'm talking about the fight in general. Pac should of stayed on Erik's left side and dig to that body.

Sure, the weight had NO effect.....niether did Morales' right hand I guess either

Both guys can hurt eachother, just not enough to knock the other out with one shot. They both ate plenty of big punches and kept coming. Morales as I stated in my fight prediction, was the stronger fighter.

good guess reno, I really thought pacman would give up or get knocked out. dude weather you agree or not he was dominated and would be agian morales loves the exchanges and took them but the body shots could of changed the story pacman is a slugger not a boxer his style is come at you in your face he should really change his style and try some new things.

Both guys can hurt eachother, just not enough to knock the other out with one shot. They both ate plenty of big punches and kept coming. Morales as I stated in my fight prediction, was the stronger fighter.
You're right, Morales was the stronger fighter, which is WHY the weight had an effect, he is a more natural 130 pounder, it was his 4th or 4th fight at 130 & he shoulda been there a few years ago but the $ for the rivalry with Barrera was too big... Pacquaio shoulda stayed at flyweight

I actually thought when I read he weighted in 1 lb, less than Morales that he had lost already. I knew he needs his speed. Heck, Marco, nearly gave the fight away and he had the best chance by being nearly 10lbs less than Morales and able to be faster than him. I thought Manny would totally stick to coming in around 132-133lbs. 139lbs was a bad idea, so I don't know.

You're right, Morales was the stronger fighter, which is WHY the weight had an effect, he is a more natural 130 pounder, it was his 4th or 4th fight at 130 & he shoulda been there a few years ago but the $ for the rivalry with Barrera was too big... Pacquaio shoulda stayed at flyweight
4th or 5th, sorry

I actually thought when I read he weighted in 1 lb, less than Morales that he had lost already. I knew he needs his speed. Heck, Marco, nearly gave the fight away and he had the best chance by being nearly 10lbs less than Morales and able to be faster than him. I thought Manny would totally stick to coming in around 132-133lbs. 139lbs was a bad idea, so I don't know.


so you knew the fight was over cause of a pound...

Both guys can hurt eachother, just not enough to knock the other out with one shot. They both ate plenty of big punches and kept coming. Morales as I stated in my fight prediction, was the stronger fighter.


No doubt about it that both fighters are almost even, but I don't think the strenght of Morales came naturally.

Morales did a lot of sacrifice in his training while hiding on top of a mountain. Erik was more serious in his preparation. And I believe it paid back. What he missed out in his preparation against Barerra, Erik made sure he gonna double the pain so he can beat Pacman.

And Pacman was nowhere serious compared to Morales. I thought he was too relaxed. Pac just love being photographed and signing autographed. Morales could have been laughing at that time. I bet Pac couldn't imagine the tough changes that Morales, Barerra and company were putting up to improve their level. And I also think Morales made the same mistake against MAB.

You're right, Morales was the stronger fighter, which is WHY the weight had an effect, he is a more natural 130 pounder, it was his 4th or 4th fight at 130 & he shoulda been there a few years ago but the $ for the rivalry with Barrera was too big... Pacquaio shoulda stayed at flyweight

His 4th fight, but Barrera beat him at the weight and Marco is the weaker of all three fighters. Marco said prior to the fight that he was out of his league fighting at 130 pounds since his natural weight is 126. People thought Morales was going to kill Barrera, I was one of the few people to pick Barrera to win that fight because I knew Erik was going to take lightly, Marco was going to steup it up and Erik would beef up to over power him. Styles make fights and Erik's style and body dimensions are too tough for Pacquiao to overcome.

No way Pac is out of Eriks league. I thought it was a good fight. There were people around me in the arena who were Morales fans who did not know who took the fight. It was a damn close fight. I thought Morales won because he was the stronger man. But I think anything can happen in a rematch between the two. I hope it happens. Manny deserves a second chance for the display of courage and heart he put on. Hopefully Morales does not deny him the opportunity for redemtion. All in all it was a good fight. Congrats to Morales, he was the better fighter that night. Don't let it fool you though Pac is capable of winning a rematch and I hope it happens.

No way Pac is out of Eriks league. I thought it was a good fight. There were people around me in the arena who were Morales fans who did not know who took the fight. It was a damn close fight. I thought Morales won because he was the stronger man. But I think anything can happen in a rematch between the two. I hope it happens. Manny deserves a second chance for the display of courage and heart he put on. Hopefully Morales does not deny him the opportunity for redemtion. All in all it was a good fight. Congrats to Morales, he was the better fighter that night. Don't let it fool you though Pac is capable of winning a rematch and I hope it happens.


Pedro Fernandez of Ringtalk.com thinks Pacman won the fight and Larry Merchant thinks its a draw. I think almost all Pacfans were anticipating a knockdown at least. So when that didn't happen, automatically they accepted the defeat. Without the dramatic bloody cut over the eye, I think the score would have been closer and questionable.

The more I watch the fight, the less close it becomes. Morales won and teh fight wasn't that close. Manny P just kept attacking that's why it looked close. Skillswise, my boy got outclassed.

Pedro Fernandez of Ringtalk.com thinks Pacman won the fight and Larry Merchant thinks its a draw. I think almost all Pacfans were anticipating a knockdown at least. So when that didn't happen, automatically they accepted the defeat. Without the dramatic bloody cut over the eye, I think the score would have been closer and questionable.

Pedro Fernandez wants you to click on his link and read his bull**** article. And Merchant loves Manny thats why he was generous. I don't see how Manny would have gotten that one...even in a rematch. There IS a blueprint to beat him and **** did Morales excecuted.

His 4th fight, but Barrera beat him at the weight and Marco is the weaker of all three fighters. Marco said prior to the fight that he was out of his league fighting at 130 pounds since his natural weight is 126. People thought Morales was going to kill Barrera, I was one of the few people to pick Barrera to win that fight because I knew Erik was going to take lightly, Marco was going to steup it up and Erik would beef up to over power him. Styles make fights and Erik's style and body dimensions are too tough for Pacquiao to overcome.
Thanx for re-iterating all of my points from the past 2 months, don't join any debate teams my brother, you're preaching to the choir

Pedro Fernandez wants you to click on his link and read his bull**** article. And Merchant loves Manny thats why he was generous. I don't see how Manny would have gotten that one...even in a rematch. There IS a blueprint to beat him and **** did Morales excecuted.


What do mean ... even in a rematch? You think Morales is now invincible. That's more bull**** than Pedro's write up.

If Barerra has the same mentality, he wouldn't got out of the grave. I believe Marco wasn't washed up when he got beat up by Pac. And I was very happy when he shot down the talkative Ayala. I'd say Pacman can do the same thing.

What do mean ... even in a rematch? You think Morales is now invincible. That's more bull**** than Pedro's write up.

If Barerra has the same mentality, he wouldn't got out of the grave. I believe Marco wasn't washed up when he got beat up by Pac. And I was very happy when he shot down the talkative Ayala. I'd say Pacman can do the same thing.

I don't have to argue with you cuz it's pointless. I had to realize for myself. Watch the fight again but this time, focus on Morales' defense and counters. He was ready for EVERYTHING Manny P had. The punch swarms had nothing on him.

In a rematch, Pac would probably train harder but come in with the same gameplan. And Morales just has to execute the same performance. I don't see anything in Pac's curent arsenal that would allow him to beat a boxing Erik.

I don't have to argue with you cuz it's pointless. I had to realize for myself. Watch the fight again but this time, focus on Morales' defense and counters. He was ready for EVERYTHING Manny P had. The punch swarms had nothing on him.

In a rematch, Pac would probably train harder but come in with the same gameplan. And Morales just has to execute the same performance. I don't see anything in Pac's curent arsenal that would allow him to beat a boxing Erik.


Agree with you that Erik made Pac looked bad in that fight. But speculation about the next fight is never the same thing as the real thing that happens during a fight.

I think Pacquiao has what it takes to win the rematch. Morales showed us what we expected him to show and a little bit more. Pacquiao didn't show anything that we expected, even a little bit. Even the one dimentional stroke was missing.

So there's still a lot of potential that Manny can exploit for the rematch. But I love to see him go back to 126 for Marquez and if possible fight MAB at 126 too.

Agree with you that Erik made Pac looked bad in that fight. But speculation about the next fight is never the same thing as the real thing that happens during a fight.

I think Pacquiao has what it takes to win the rematch. Morales showed us what we expected him to show and a little bit more. Pacquiao didn't show anything that we expected, even a little bit. Even the one dimentional stroke was missing.

So there's still a lot of potential that Manny can exploit for the rematch. But I love to see him go back to 126 for Marquez and if possible fight MAB at 126 too.

If Manny would beat Morales, it wouldn't be in an IMMEDIATE rematch. So if the rematch happens anytime soon (**** I hope not), Manny would get his ass handed back to him. And if not, Morales ain't staying at 130. He's most likely moving up.

Pacquiao was not affected by the weight. He said the weight was fine and it is around his natural weight. Obviously as he moves up his speed with slow down, but he is still quicker then any other fighter at 130. Pac still had his power. His power was very visible when he would rush Morales and Erik would back up almost into the ropes. Erik was hurt pretty bad to the body in the first round, I'm not sure why Pacquiao did not stay on the body. Pac got tired because he did not pace himself, he threw a lot of power punches in the early rounds. Morales on the other hand was pacing himself by picking his spots.

I totally agree with this. The left body shot that landed on Morales as he was against the ropes in the first, hurt Morales big time! It made him retreat all the way back to another set of ropes in the ring. I was up on my feet at the end of that round saying "Manny just needs to stick to his game plan." Before the fight, I kept thinking "manny needs to stick to the body attack in the early rounds to have a chance for a KO in the later rounds, when he can go head-hunting. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. I think that Manny got tired in the early rounds and needed to slow down (which he did), but before catching his breath to do battle again, he received the cut. He showed a lot of heart. I cannot believe someone can say he was outclassed by Morales when he had blood seeping into his right eye from before the halfway point of the fight. I mean if Morales couldn't take Manny out with a cut like that, this just proves Manny's a World-class warrior...

Morales displayed great boxing, I must admit I was impressed. I have respect for him now, doesn't mean I have to like him.

The more I watch the fight, the less close it becomes. Morales won and teh fight wasn't that close. Manny P just kept attacking that's why it looked close. Skillswise, my boy got outclassed.
i think someone owes someone an apology
but i wont rub it in man
just i was tryin to tell ya
it really wasnt close

I think Morales beat him and there isn`t any excuses. Face it, live with it and learn to love it. Erik Morales is a beater fighter than Pac man!


So is Barrera and JMM. I hope Pac goes for the rematch with Marco.

Styles make fights and Morales style well always be tough for Pac to win. However, if pac to say he cant beat Morales in a rematch i think it not true. I heard some people say if Morales used Reyes gloves he would have koed many, i could see it going the other way as well. Also things like the cut and Morales hands could have come into play. Thats no excuse but Pac deserves another shot and i bet he will get it.

i think someone owes someone an apology
but i wont rub it in man
just i was tryin to tell ya
it really wasnt close

I apologize abdiel, my Pac-nuthugging has clouded my Morales-nuthugging judgement :boxing:

I apologize abdiel, my Pac-nuthugging has clouded my Morales-nuthugging judgement :boxing:
lol
its ok
just dont let it happen again
or else we have to cut off your arms
then you wont be able to hug on pacs nutz

lol
its ok
just dont let it happen again
or else we have to cut off your arms
then you wont be able to hug on pacs nutz

spoken like a true mexican :D

spoken like a true mexican :D
u mean awsome boxing/fighten machine?
o and dead sexy too

u mean awsome boxing/fighten machine?
o and dead sexy too

Hey enough about me, we're talking bout you here...

so your sayin manny won rounds cuz he plays soocer?
:confused:

he can play soccer he's got fast feet. he plays basketball and billiards, he's got a lot of talent that's why i keep on wondering why you're not impressed with him. maybe it's you that don't have anything (i mean talent) and that's your defensive mechanism to get even eh?

he can play soccer he's got fast feet. he plays basketball and billiards, he's got a lot of talent that's why i keep on wondering why you're not impressed with him. maybe it's you that don't have anything (i mean talent) and that's your defensive mechanism to get even eh?
you hit him :D

I don't have to argue with you cuz it's pointless. I had to realize for myself. Watch the fight again but this time, focus on Morales' defense and counters. He was ready for EVERYTHING Manny P had. The punch swarms had nothing on him.

In a rematch, Pac would probably train harder but come in with the same gameplan. And Morales just has to execute the same performance. I don't see anything in Pac's curent arsenal that would allow him to beat a boxing Erik.

yeah he was very prepared and he did his homework very well that's why i am not agreeable if a rematch will take place. he even mimic pacquiao's moves and he's very confident. i think if he would fight erik, it would be the same result. he has a better chance against barrera and marquez. but i could be wrong.

yeah he was very prepared and he did his homework very well that's why i am not agreeable if a rematch will take place. he even mimic pacquiao's moves and he's very confident. i think if he would fight erik, it would be the same result. he has a better chance against barrera and marquez. but i could be wrong.

He has to learn to throw punches while planting his feet. Pac's already got power and hits hard, how much more if he polishes his technique and work on his balance. Roach made a public mistake by saying Morales was old and that volumes of punches would do the trick. Wrong. Needs to work on his accuracy.

Agree with you that Erik made Pac looked bad in that fight. But speculation about the next fight is never the same thing as the real thing that happens during a fight.

I think Pacquiao has what it takes to win the rematch. Morales showed us what we expected him to show and a little bit more. Pacquiao didn't show anything that we expected, even a little bit. Even the one dimentional stroke was missing.

So there's still a lot of potential that Manny can exploit for the rematch. But I love to see him go back to 126 for Marquez and if possible fight MAB at 126 too.

it's really hard to tell if pacquiao would do well if there would be a rematch. when i saw morales outboxing and outsmarting pacquiao, i know that's all he could do. but that's just my opinion. pacquiao is doing good if he hurt his opponent but the way things had turned out during his recent fight with morales, i think it's very hard to win against el terible!

it's really hard to tell if pacquiao would do well if there would be a rematch. when i saw morales outboxing and outsmarting pacquiao, i know that's all he could do. but that's just my opinion. pacquiao is doing good if he hurt his opponent but the way things had turned out during his recent fight with morales, i think it's very hard to win against el terible!

It's cuz Morales is so ****ing versatile. Even if Pac would have a good plan though, Morlaes would adjust. His skills, size, style is made for Pac, I think he has Pac's number.

The more I watch the fight, the less close it becomes. Morales won and teh fight wasn't that close. Manny P just kept attacking that's why it looked close. Skillswise, my boy got outclassed.

i will stick to it, mooks, it was a close fight but not that close. 115-113 on all cards, morales deserves that. but 2 points deficit is still close! if pacman wins 2 rounds more then what do you get, a draw isn't it? so, it's still close. or maybe if it's a consolation, i would say it like that.

i will stick to it, mooks, it was a close fight but not that close. 115-113 on all cards, morales deserves that. but 2 points deficit is still close! if pacman wins 2 rounds more then what do you get, a draw isn't it? so, it's still close. or maybe if it's a consolation, i would say it like that.

It's ok man. I was just voicing my opinion. I gave it 8 rounds for Morales, Pac 4. That's when I focused on Morales and without sound. Yung muka din ni Pac, parang na bugbog. Para bang muka nya pagkatapos ng laban kay Nedal Hussein. Marami syang kinain na suntok nung sabado. At least no one can question his chin anymore.

It's ok man. I was just voicing my opinion. I gave it 8 rounds for Morales, Pac 4. That's when I focused on Morales and without sound. Yung muka din ni Pac, parang na bugbog. Para bang muka nya pagkatapos ng laban kay Nedal Hussein. Marami syang kinain na suntok nung sabado. At least no one can question his chin anymore.

there's still a lot of fights ahead of pacman. if he showed this performance fighting against an injin-chi for example, there's no way chi would win. it's no shame losing to a very good boxer like morales. and they always say styles make fights, i know it now. let's wait for pac to heal his wounds and before that, let's hope Team Pacquiao settle their differences, they are fighting over money now, that's not what pacquiao needs right now.

there's still a lot of fights ahead of pacman. if he showed this performance fighting against an injin-chi for example, there's no way chi would win. it's no shame losing to a very good boxer like morales. and they always say styles make fights, i know it now. let's wait for pac to heal his wounds and before that, let's hope Team Pacquiao settle their differences, they are fighting over money now, that's not what pacquiao needs right now.

He needs to calm down to prolong his career. He'll burnout if they keep pitting him against the mexican elites.

prrrrrrrrrrtrttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My apologized to not pinoy here..


sa tingin nyo ba kung tinalo ni Pac si Morales ng araw na yun sino pa kaya yung makaklaban nya?
tingin nyo ba hihingi ng rematch si marquez at Barrera gayong alam nila na tinalo rin ni si EM gayong napakalakas na kalaban nito? paano pa kikita si pacquiao like hopkins at mapapalaban kung wala ng gustong lumaban sa kanya? makikita nyo ulit yung totoong laban ni Pac sa rematch at rubbermatch dahil sigurado namang mangyayari yon ;)

prrrrrrrrrrtrttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My apologized to not pinoy here..


sa tingin nyo ba kung tinalo ni Pac si Morales ng araw na yun sino pa kaya yung makaklaban nya?
tingin nyo ba hihingi ng rematch si marquez at Barrera gayong alam nila na tinalo rin ni si EM gayong napakalakas na kalaban nito? paano pa kikita si pacquiao like hopkins at mapapalaban kung wala ng gustong lumaban sa kanya? makikita nyo ulit yung totoong laban ni Pac sa rematch at rubbermatch dahil sigurado namang mangyayari yon ;)

Barrera would have wanted a rematch had Pac won or not. hey he beat Morales twice already. JMM doesnt have a choice but to ifght PAc again if he wants any kind of legacy in this sport.

Barrera would have wanted a rematch had Pac won or not. hey he beat Morales twice already. JMM doesnt have a choice but to ifght PAc again if he wants any kind of legacy in this sport.
maybe but do think when Mab beat em in 3 the interviewer asked him if he want to redeem with pacquiao? what he said? Forget about JMM his a chicken gay :)

I think that it was an awesome fight, Morales was the better man that night and has what it takes to beat PAC in a rematch, IMO.

I think Pac should try to get a rematch with MAB, I think that would be a better fight than a rematch with Morales.


Great night for boxing, the 3rd fight was exciting as well, Jorge "El travieso" Arce is a warrior.

he can play soccer he's got fast feet. he plays basketball and billiards, he's got a lot of talent that's why i keep on wondering why you're not impressed with him. maybe it's you that don't have anything (i mean talent) and that's your defensive mechanism to get even eh?
if u say so
but the simple fact remains
is that manny is no boxer
he has skills
like he can throw a awsome strait left,untechnical one but powerful none the less,
he hasa decent jab, showed it against mab but never again since then,
pretty good right hook, agian showed against mab been absent since
but his attack is robotic
he trys the same combo over n over until it works
whethers its his patent 1 2 , jab strait
or his body flurry
but when they dont work hes only got 2 choice
keep tryin them or try the other
hes not a thinkin fighter
morales and jmm were bale to figure out his pattern
morales doesnt have pattern
he has a wide variety of things he can do when one fails
and even if hes being succesful with a combo or punch
he'll still mix in other combos or punches
he thinks in thier
so its not that im not impressed with manny phsyical abilty
but he doesnt have the capacity to really use against someone who can think in their
but luckily for him
his same robotic attacks can work

i just thought of a perfect way to describe what i see him as
u ever played the street fighter games?
i do
and i think im pretty good, nothin special tho
but my lil bro whos like 10
has no idea how to do those brilliant combo things and do different powers
but he just finds a fighters strongest move
and sticks to it
and he can beat most people like that
our cuzn, my bro, his fiends
but when he plays me
he looks pathetic tryint he same thing over n over
and me nailen him with all kinds of ****

so finally
im not sayin pacs not somethin phuscialy awsome
cuz he obvioulsy is
but in this sport its not all physcial once ya get to the top
and dats why im not impressed with him, at this level
id still watch him demolish other guys that are like him or just cant find ways to get away from hs potent left
but guys with talent will be able to neutralize him

one last thing i forgot to mention
as to why pac doesnt impress me
he lacks defense
people seem to think hes boxing becuz he does the lil bob from left to right
but he only does it when hes outta range
as soon as he throws a punch or is getting ready to
he stops moving
so dats also why i dont give him credit for a being a boxer
hes a fighter
hit and get hit

ok, this is better! and even if im a pac fan, i agree with what you say here. the problem with you is sometimes you can't help saying what's on your mind without insulting. i mean its your choice of words, but you can write better than that and you showed it this time. i have nothing against you but sometimes i hate it when you start those words which i think is not at all good. well, you could heed these words of mine but on the second thought, you could forget it, anyway, they always say... LIVE AND LET LIVE! and we could all be happy the way we are if we respect each other, peace!