Now here is a pretty ingenius invention for developing your blocking skills and reaction speed. It's called the Robotic Boxing Trainer (RBT) (http://www.roboticboxingtrainer.com/home). You have to love this man's passion to build a better mouse trap for boxing. He Looks pretty solid for 56 years old, too.

Links from his site to Youtube video's of RBT (http://www.youtube.com/user/rbt4rbt#p/u/6/oNkaocSvAAA)

Nice job from a devoted boxing fan.....:boxing: I also like the inventive heavybag modification and speed bag nearby....

Wow.

That's actually pretty cool.

that is sick
were can i get one lol

It's retarded. You can never replicate what it would be like to spar with actual human competition. I'd spend my $$$ on private lessons with an elite trainer for what that thing costs.

damn thats funky

If you read the site, it didn't claim to act as a sparring partner. It merely claims to be at tool to training. Does your speed bag, heavy bag, double end bag, etc, act like a sparring partner? Do you have those or did you spend your money rather on a trainer?

It is obviously open to inputs, no matter positive or negative. One thing is for sure, whoever boxes against it will get hit, no matter what their claims.

does it vacuum carpets?:boxing:

If you read the site, it didn't claim to act as a sparring partner. It merely claims to be at tool to training. Does your speed bag, heavy bag, double end bag, etc, act like a sparring partner? Do you have those or did you spend your money rather on a trainer?

It is obviously open to inputs, no matter positive or negative. One thing is for sure, whoever boxes against it will get hit, no matter what their claims.

It doesn't claim to act as a sparring partner, yet half of the main page has a comparison chart with the benifits of the robot over a sparring partner...I still think it's retarded.

If you read the site, it didn't claim to act as a sparring partner. It merely claims to be at tool to training. Does your speed bag, heavy bag, double end bag, etc, act like a sparring partner? Do you have those or did you spend your money rather on a trainer?

It is obviously open to inputs, no matter positive or negative. One thing is for sure, whoever boxes against it will get hit, no matter what their claims.

And you're the guy who invented it, so of course you'd say something like that. My sped bag, heavy bag and double end bag have been in boxing gyms for years. I think I'll stick with those. Good Luck with your robot.

rsk, that is not the reason for "so of course I would say something like that."

Is it below me to ask for logical reasons why? What claim is not right in the comparison of the sparring partner to the RBT? Am I lying?

Because your boxing bags have been in gyms for years makes anything new not beneficial?

So I could accept it being called retarded, but please understand why you'd want legitimate reasons why if you were in my shoes. But if you don't want to give logical reasons why and just make a statement, that's fine and I will have to leave it at that.

We both agree that there is nothing like a trainer and a sparring partner. I'm sorry if I somehow gave that impression. Still, there are tools to help fighting techniques make a person better at real fighting.

Agreed too, it does seem stupid and retarded. I am being honest about it when I just sat and looked at it. I often thought what a waist of my time making it, but every time I box against, I have a ball even though it is a workout and smacks me around. At least I get hit less as time goes on and hit it more. So it did teach me something and still does.

rsk, that is not the reason for "so of course I would say something like that."

Is it below me to ask for logical reasons why? What claim is not right in the comparison of the sparring partner to the RBT? Am I lying?

Because your boxing bags have been in gyms for years makes anything new not beneficial?

So I could accept it being called retarded, but please understand why you'd want legitimate reasons why if you were in my shoes. But if you don't want to give logical reasons why and just make a statement, that's fine and I will have to leave it at that.

We both agree that there is nothing like a trainer and a sparring partner. I'm sorry if I somehow gave that impression. Still, there are tools to help fighting techniques make a person better at real fighting.

Agreed too, it does seem stupid and retarded. I am being honest about it when I just sat and looked at it. I often thought what a waist of my time making it, but every time I box against, I have a ball even though it is a workout and smacks me around. At least I get hit less as time goes on and hit it more. So it did teach me something and still does.

O.k. so now you're backpedalling. Are you, or are you not comparing it to a sparring partner and do you not on your site from the comparison-chart insinuate that your robot has more advantages than a normal sparring partner? Look guy, to each his own. If it helps you and others, than great. To me for what it does, I can get out of standard boxing equipment, regular sparring, and an actual trainer. Nothing will ever be able to imitate that. I wish you the best of luck with your machine and hopefully it does well.

O.k. so now you're backpedalling. Are you, or are you not comparing it to a sparring partner and do you not on your site from the comparison-chart insinuate that your robot has more advantages than a normal sparring partner? Look guy, to each his own. If it helps you and others, than great. To me for what it does, I can get out of standard boxing equipment, regular sparring, and an actual trainer. Nothing will ever be able to imitate that. I wish you the best of luck with your machine and hopefully it does well.

rsk, there are advantages but not more advantages overall. No sense in me re-listing the advantages that are in the site. If a person does not see them as advantages, then so be it. There's already a decent amount of equipment that has advantages over a partner, but not more overall.

Forgive me if people see a slip bag as a great tool (which I agree it is) but don't see variable speed punch arms coming at them as a bigger advantage. Punch arms that will not hurt you if hit. Punch arms that you either have to slide, dock, block, back up from or get hit. Arms that come at you at random rather than an obvious pendulum swing. But...it's not a boxing partner so all is for naught.

You don't know how much I'd like to add other punches like upper cuts and hooks I have ideas how to do but just don't have the extra funding right now. Maybe someday.

I wouldn't use it as an alternative to sparring. However i'd love to use it to practice slipping, it's pretty fast and i'm sure it would be a great way to improve reflexes.

Are there any plans to commercialize this?

all i have to say is this is a realistic emulation of a sparring session or even drill sparring at that, a great tool for those who are too cautious to step into the ring.

In no way shape or form should you be trying to market this as better then a sparring partner. It just makes you look foolish and ill-informed. Now that that is out of the way...

I can see the benefit to it tho. And maybe even a market, as mentioned, for those not wanting to step through the ropes just yet, or even a tool for gyms for slipping, blocking and practicing head movement. I do think it requires more movement though, for it to be alluring to a gym and worth a purchase. I mean, I like the concept, robotic sparring tool...and understand there is expense in adding movement to it. Overall, it isn't ridiculous or anything, and looks to have potential.

It's retarded. You can never replicate what it would be like to spar with actual human competition. I'd spend my $$$ on private lessons with an elite trainer for what that thing costs.

I love these type of posts. Of course it can't replicate a sparring partner. But, no one that is thinking logically about it would use it in place of a sparring partner. It could be used as a great extra tool at home for some daily slipping, blocking practice by yourself.

The great thing about it is that you don't need a sparring partner to practice. That's the whole point really. Anyone that thinks it replaces a sparring partner or should do so is just overreacting. But, if you are at home and feel like some quick training or a bit of extra stuff, then you have a great reflex tool to help you work out.

You have sparring partners for sparring, heavy bags for punching, speed bags, double end bags, skipping ropes, shadowboxing etc etc. This can be used as one extra tool and it could actually be quite good. Nothing will ever replace a real person but use a bit of common sense will ya. He's not pretending it will, he's just giving a comparison to a real sparring partner to show the benefits of this thing. As another tool, it could be used for reflex training as well as training at home by yourself.

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Good stuff mate. I hope it works for you. Great idea.

How much for one?

Last night I told my wife, I about give up. If someone approaches me to license it then I’d go for it, but I’m tired of trying to have people see the value of it. If a company made it, they could make it look better and get the cost down because of their higher volume. Still, I worked hard in coming up with it trying to keep cost down. If people want to spend a fortune on a “real” robotic arm that you see on YouTube that punches like someone is hammering a nail on the wall and call that a punch, go for it. Give me a straight jab.

The two people that “used it”, refused to box against it. Yes, it could be used for just slipping, but when you punch too, you leave an opening, and I’ll be dang if the RBT will expose that opening and punch you. At the higher speeds, I still wonder if a person if fast enough to stop it. You will get hit, but just like in any fight, you will get hit but some people know how to get hit less. They TRAIN to get hit less. It seems as if no one wants to be seen getting hit. I am the ONLY one that boxed against it! I want to get hit and see what I have to do to prevent getting hit as I get punches in too. I don’t care if I look fantastic hitting a bag or dummy that does not punch back at me. I’d rather look stupid trying to get punches in and see what I have to do getting punched less. I want punches that are realistic speeds that mimic human speeds all the way up to super fast. Screw the slip bag, give me a realistic speed of a jab, a jab that is the length of your average jab of 18”. If it is too fast, well heck, I could just turn it down and work at that speed until I trained to be fast enough to turn it up. But damn if I could have people see that benefit and I am not going to get any more frustrated trying.

Nearby boxing gyms and martial arts schools have not replied to my email requests to demo it there. I get the hint, there is really no interest. I can swallow all the hard work that I put into the RBT because I have it and absolutely LOVE using it. It is what I always have been wanting. It’s like I have to force myself to hit the other bags because it is so boring in comparison to the RBT, and for an overall workout nothing compares to the RBT in my home gym.

So my goal is to keep the patent. Enjoy the heck out of it knowing I have the best mechanical boxing training setup there is, SHORT OF A HUMAN TRAINING SPARRING PARTNER. Still, I stand by the advantages of the RBT and my question still stands, which of the advantages I list are not true?

say i have an air compressor how much would it cost for one arm that has variable speeds and everything that i can use for slipping and can attach to something. id imagine it would be cheaper to only make one arm though i dont know how the whole system works and if it would work with one arm.

id also probably put a pair of 16's on the end have you ever tried that?

I love these type of posts. Of course it can't replicate a sparring partner. But, no one that is thinking logically about it would use it in place of a sparring partner. It could be used as a great extra tool at home for some daily slipping, blocking practice by yourself.

The great thing about it is that you don't need a sparring partner to practice. That's the whole point really. Anyone that thinks it replaces a sparring partner or should do so is just overreacting. But, if you are at home and feel like some quick training or a bit of extra stuff, then you have a great reflex tool to help you work out.

You have sparring partners for sparring, heavy bags for punching, speed bags, double end bags, skipping ropes, shadowboxing etc etc. This can be used as one extra tool and it could actually be quite good. Nothing will ever replace a real person but use a bit of common sense will ya. He's not pretending it will, he's just giving a comparison to a real sparring partner to show the benefits of this thing. As another tool, it could be used for reflex training as well as training at home by yourself.

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Good stuff mate. I hope it works for you. Great idea.

If it's a separate tool from a sparring partner than why compare the two and make the robot out to be more beneficial than a partner? That's what he did on the website.

rsk, I'll try to make this easy on you. Please remember I am the one that came up with the "retarded" invention. Please remember my question to you that you don't want to answer, which of my comparisons are not true?

Please put up or shut up. I'll shut up if you hit me with logical facts that prove the RBT does not do what I say it does. Fair enough?

So let's say you are my sparring partner. I want you to throw consistent 9 mph jabs at me. Can you do that? Now throw 10 mph, then 11, etc.

Let's say you are foolish enough to say you can. Won't your jab traveling at that speed do a lot more damage than the much lighter arm of the RBT going at the same speed?

You're a human sparring partner. According to you there is absolutely no advantage to you. No machine can do what you do and yet you can't do the above.

You remind me of a black belt that tried it the other night. He only wanted one arm turned on. The arm was at a lower speed. He still was getting hit. When I asked what he thought about it, he said it's ok for a beginner. So he gets hit with only one arm going at a lower speed but "it's ok for a beginner". Can you spell EGO.

You don't know how much I wished you lived out here so I could film you boxing against the RBT as you get smacked by it. Of course you would be too proud to say you have something to learn from it because it is just a retarded invention and not a real sparring partner.

If it's a separate tool from a sparring partner than why compare the two and make the robot out to be more beneficial than a partner? That's what he did on the website.

I have to agree here. I just do not like that one aspect of the marketing attempt. Think it needs to be done differently. Things like, 'it doesn't smell bad" or "no guilt"...I mean, c'mon. These are parts of boxing you need to get past. Guys will always be smelly, and emotions are a huge part of boxing etc. You need to define its use differently. And not against something so readily available and free, as a live sparring partner.

Not knowing what you're asking for it, if it is fairly expensive to make, therefore expensive to buy one must understand that most boxing gyms run on a fairly tight budget. We have a gym that is 6000 sq. ft, and packed to the rafters with boxercise people (who pay most of our bills) and often just making it thru, as our goals are to keep costs down to make it accessible for everyone from every socio-economic background. 30-35$ per mo and we'll waive fees if it is a kid who really can't even afford that.

So bearing that in mind, you need to define better, imo, where the value is. As an aid, as a skill builder, etc. etc. and really hammer those things home. More then a comparison to a sparring partner, which I assure you will get laughed off by most gyms.

I'm not trying to be negative here, only thinking critically to help. For I do like the idea, and would like to have one. The one I'd like to have most prob. doesn't exist yet, as you've mentioned the cost of adding more mobility, and obv. this would increase cost of purchase. You should be listening to these negatives imo, instead of wondering why people aren't 'getting it'. But I can understand frustration

All in all, getting the cost as low as possible, and/or a different marketing approach I think would be a good start.

rsk, I'll try to make this easy on you. Please remember I am the one that came up with the "retarded" invention. Please remember my question to you that you don't want to answer, which of my comparisons are not true?

Please put up or shut up. I'll shut up if you hit me with logical facts that prove the RBT does not do what I say it does. Fair enough?

So let's say you are my sparring partner. I want you to throw consistent 9 mph jabs at me. Can you do that? Now throw 10 mph, then 11, etc.

Let's say you are foolish enough to say you can. Won't your jab traveling at that speed do a lot more damage than the much lighter arm of the RBT going at the same speed?

You're a human sparring partner. According to you there is absolutely no advantage to you. No machine can do what you do and yet you can't do the above.

You remind me of a black belt that tried it the other night. He only wanted one arm turned on. The arm was at a lower speed. He still was getting hit. When I asked what he thought about it, he said it's ok for a beginner. So he gets hit with only one arm going at a lower speed but "it's ok for a beginner". Can you spell EGO.

You don't know how much I wished you lived out here so I could film you boxing against the RBT as you get smacked by it. Of course you would be too proud to say you have something to learn from it because it is just a retarded invention and not a real sparring partner.

I never said any of your points in your comparison were or were'nt true. I don't know where you got that from so stop putting words in my mouth. My basic point is that you can't market it as being comparable to a sparring partner. It may have it's advantages; I don't know, it hasn't been proven to me. But you can not compare it to an actual partner. It's apples and oranges. And as far as you being so sure that I'd be too proud to admit that I learned something from your machine, is pure speculation. Do you know me? Have we met? Telling me to shut up. You're assuming that the machine is going to smack me around? Now you're showing your insecurity and taking my opinion personal. I wish I did live out there; but if I did I would rather go up against you instead of your machine... Though I'd have more enjoyment smacking you around. I'd make you shit your depends grampa.

Wow, this entire thread got out of control.

My 2 cents, I think it is an awesome idea plagued by bad marketing. Sometimes it is hard to take a step back and look at something you have done objectively, but this may be the time to do just that. It is obvious that the utility and effectiveness is there, it is a matter of narrowing your scope and being realistic.

It is a gym apporatus that assists users with slipping drills. It has variable speeds and multiple strike patterns that mimic various boxing combinations that use linear paths, IE Jabs and Crosses. It is safe, and durable.

If that is what you said, I would have crapped myself. As it is, very interesting and somewhat amazing technical boxing equipment. Streamline, focus and try again. This is quite cool and I would love to play around with it as I am sure it would catch me. I can totally see the usefulness of the machine, now it is a matter of making it a realistic option financially.

Also, RSK quit being a jerk. Internet tough guys suck.:pat:

Wow, this entire thread got out of control.

My 2 cents, I think it is an awesome idea plagued by bad marketing. Sometimes it is hard to take a step back and look at something you have done objectively, but this may be the time to do just that. It is obvious that the utility and effectiveness is there, it is a matter of narrowing your scope and being realistic.

It is a gym apporatus that assists users with slipping drills. It has variable speeds and multiple strike patterns that mimic various boxing combinations that use linear paths, IE Jabs and Crosses. It is safe, and durable.

If that is what you said, I would have crapped myself. As it is, very interesting and somewhat amazing technical boxing equipment. Streamline, focus and try again. This is quite cool and I would love to play around with it as I am sure it would catch me. I can totally see the usefulness of the machine, now it is a matter of making it a realistic option financially.

Also, RSK quit being a jerk. Internet tough guys suck.:pat:

Who are you his bodyguard? If you read the posts, the guy started talking crap to me first telling me to shut up and that his robot would smack me around. Real nice. By the way, Good way of proving your "internet tough guy" point by calling me names that you wouldn't call me to my face.

It doesn't matter what he called you, there is no need for you to be calling people out over the internet. It is lame as hell so cut it out. I'm not defending anyone, I am asking for intelligent discussion, not bull-headed d*ck measuring. If you can't get over what he said to you and actually add something to the conversation, you are just trolling.

And your whole, "you wouldn't say it to my face" bologna, get over yourself. Again, cut it with the internet toughguy BS. :rolleyes:

rsk, I started talking crap to you? You said my invention was retarded. I compare it to a sparring partner and you come around and say I think it is better than a sparring partner. I say the RBT will get punches into you. You say you want to come at me. You can do that. Matter of fact anyone can do that. I believe there are laws against that. Never did I threaten you. You want to threaten me, you do what you do. But I will say this, if you were able to box at the bag in between the RBT arms and not get hit with it at high speed, I'll admit, you are one bad mutha. Because at that speed you have 800 ms to react. I have yet to stop it at that speed once. Never got lucky. And that's just one arm I am trying to block. Also, maybe you are fast enough. Like you said, I don't know you. But you don't know me either, so watch out who you threaten.

Equal.., At first I thought about selling it. After thought seeing how expensive product liability insurance is and how much cheaper it could be made by a company that bought in higher volume, I decided to try to license it.

Ylem, How much it will cost fits with the above statement. The electronics alone cost a decent amount but the electronics could be made cheaper by just having a PC board do the timing programs rather than a power supply and programmed logic controller. The rest is using material that has to be strong and yet light, but again, in high volume, that cost could be reduced. So, if a company took it on, my guess is they could maybe sell it for around $400 to $500. Again, that is just a guess.

TheTruthIs, I guess people didn't see the humor about "smelly" and such. No, I am not in marketing or sales. Just trying to do the best with what I have. I do realize the points are from my point of view. That's why I'd like to see others box against it. Have them see the different speeds. My jab is radar checked at 10 mph. That is a strict jab without cocking it first. Granted, I'm up there in the years too. The best I can find on the average jab of college males is 9 mph. The RBT will go up to 13 mph, but the 7 to 9 mph jabs are tough as is to stop, more so when boxing too at the bag in between the arms. Absolutely no telegraph. I will see what I can do to make the site more serious and list how it can be beneficial. I thought I was doing that but evidently comparing to a sparring partner seems to raise a lot of blood pressure. I don't see why in the way I did it.

MonkeyEarMuffs, My goal was to improve the site and videos before seriously approaching companies that would handle such a product. I did recently let a few companies know about it still, and a bit of a bite with one but I may have to take a different approach. Agreed it is still in a prototype stage and could be made to look much better. I made a prototype that had the arms move up and down too, but that jacks up the price a few hundred dollars and I didn't take that path any further.

Someone asked why don't I put gloves on the end. It is because at this stage I can't. It was a struggle to keep the weight low on the arms as is. Unneeded weight gives the punch more power when traveling at the same speed. Also, weight especially at the end of the arms adds inch pounds. That is really magnified with the arms punch out 18 inches. Too much weight makes the arms sag as it fully extends. If I make the shoulder stronger to compensate, then too much force is needed in deflecting the arm sideways.

There is an advantage not having a glove though. If you can stop that fist coming through, you can stop a large glove. Also, if a person wanted to train MMA style or just bare fist style, the smaller fist is more realistic. Still, I agree about having the option of a glove would be great. Maybe a company may see a way to do that, but it sure complicates things.

I'll keep on trying.

It doesn't matter what he called you, there is no need for you to be calling people out over the internet. It is lame as hell so cut it out. I'm not defending anyone, I am asking for intelligent discussion, not bull-headed d*ck measuring. If you can't get over what he said to you and actually add something to the conversation, you are just trolling.

And your whole, "you wouldn't say it to my face" bologna, get over yourself. Again, cut it with the internet toughguy BS. :rolleyes:

Yeah, but your defending a grown man. Why are you getting on my case and not his?You should heed your own advice since you started talking shit when I wasn't even going back an forth with you. Right now your not adding anything either, just dick-riding, so mind your own business and get lost.

rsk, I started talking crap to you? You said my invention was retarded. I compare it to a sparring partner and you come around and say I think it is better than a sparring partner. I say the RBT will get punches into you. You say you want to come at me. You can do that. Matter of fact anyone can do that. I believe there are laws against that. Never did I threaten you. You want to threaten me, you do what you do. But I will say this, if you were able to box at the bag in between the RBT arms and not get hit with it at high speed, I'll admit, you are one bad mutha. Because at that speed you have 800 ms to react. I have yet to stop it at that speed once. Never got lucky. And that's just one arm I am trying to block. Also, maybe you are fast enough. Like you said, I don't know you. But you don't know me either, so watch out who you threaten.

Equal.., At first I thought about selling it. After thought seeing how expensive product liability insurance is and how much cheaper it could be made by a company that bought in higher volume, I decided to try to license it.

Ylem, How much it will cost fits with the above statement. The electronics alone cost a decent amount but the electronics could be made cheaper by just having a PC board do the timing programs rather than a power supply and programmed logic controller. The rest is using material that has to be strong and yet light, but again, in high volume, that cost could be reduced. So, if a company took it on, my guess is they could maybe sell it for around $400 to $500. Again, that is just a guess.

TheTruthIs, I guess people didn't see the humor about "smelly" and such. No, I am not in marketing or sales. Just trying to do the best with what I have. I do realize the points are from my point of view. That's why I'd like to see others box against it. Have them see the different speeds. My jab is radar checked at 10 mph. That is a strict jab without cocking it first. Granted, I'm up there in the years too. The best I can find on the average jab of college males is 9 mph. The RBT will go up to 13 mph, but the 7 to 9 mph jabs are tough as is to stop, more so when boxing too at the bag in between the arms. Absolutely no telegraph. I will see what I can do to make the site more serious and list how it can be beneficial. I thought I was doing that but evidently comparing to a sparring partner seems to raise a lot of blood pressure. I don't see why in the way I did it.

MonkeyEarMuffs, My goal was to improve the site and videos before seriously approaching companies that would handle such a product. I did recently let a few companies know about it still, and a bit of a bite with one but I may have to take a different approach. Agreed it is still in a prototype stage and could be made to look much better. I made a prototype that had the arms move up and down too, but that jacks up the price a few hundred dollars and I didn't take that path any further.

Someone asked why don't I put gloves on the end. It is because at this stage I can't. It was a struggle to keep the weight low on the arms as is. Unneeded weight gives the punch more power when traveling at the same speed. Also, weight especially at the end of the arms adds inch pounds. That is really magnified with the arms punch out 18 inches. Too much weight makes the arms sag as it fully extends. If I make the shoulder stronger to compensate, then too much force is needed in deflecting the arm sideways.

There is an advantage not having a glove though. If you can stop that fist coming through, you can stop a large glove. Also, if a person wanted to train MMA style or just bare fist style, the smaller fist is more realistic. Still, I agree about having the option of a glove would be great. Maybe a company may see a way to do that, but it sure complicates things.

I'll keep on trying.

Funny thing is I wasn't even coming at you when I called the machine retarded. I was commenting toward the original theadstarter. It's funny how the inventor of the machine happened to be on here and join the conversation after the fact. Though I have no problem telling you that the machine is retarded, or any other alt's you have on here as well. I have no problem telling you I would have more fun going against you rather than your machine, and that I'd have more fun kicking your ass, just like you apparently have no problem expressing your opinions. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Watch who I threaten? I guess that's supposed to scare me? Let me guess, you might report me to the "authorities". Oh, no! I'm shaking in my boots. Gimmie a break. I have an idea: Modify the RBT into a defibrillator, that way the rest of the nursing home might actually use it . Then you can be a lifesaver as well as a douche-bag!

thats pretty neat! :boxing:

Funny thing is I wasn't even coming at you when I called the machine retarded. I was commenting toward the original theadstarter. It's funny how the inventor of the machine happened to be on here and join the conversation after the fact. Though I have no problem telling you that the machine is retarded, or any other alt's you have on here as well. I have no problem telling you I would have more fun going against you rather than your machine, and that I'd have more fun kicking your ass, just like you apparently have no problem expressing your opinions. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Watch who I threaten? I guess that's supposed to scare me? Let me guess, you might report me to the "authorities". Oh, no! I'm shaking in my boots. Gimmie a break. I have an idea: Modify the RBT into a defibrillator, that way the rest of the nursing home might actually use it . Then you can be a lifesaver as well as a douche-bag!

thats all good and dandy but unless you actually plan on explaining what factors of this machine you feel are retarded perhaps its best that you dont say anything at all.

FYI
Retarded: Retarded is defined as abnormally slow physical, emotional or mental development.

or perhaps you could point out how to make his advertising more rsk approved, but all your doing now is whining and its showing your evident lack of maturity.

something like what was allready said about how certain things like emotions and smell are pointless to be mentioned and should just be left out is good advice.

i mean something like that might be better then: your a retard and your a retard and i wasnt talking to you and im gonna beat you up if i had the chance and i wouldnt even want to try out the machine and your a retarted idiot and i wasnt talking to you either and this whole thing is retarted, and your all just internet tough guys.

because stuff like that dosnt help any body.

thats all good and dandy but unless you actually plan on explaining what factors of this machine you feel are retarded perhaps its best that you dont say anything at all.

FYI
Retarded: Retarded is defined as abnormally slow physical, emotional or mental development.

or perhaps you could point out how to make his advertising more rsk approved, but all your doing now is whining and its showing your evident lack of maturity.

something like what was allready said about how certain things like emotions and smell are pointless to be mentioned and should just be left out is good advice.

i mean something like that might be better then: your a retard and your a retard and i wasnt talking to you and im gonna beat you up if i had the chance and i wouldnt even want to try out the machine and your a retarted idiot and i wasnt talking to you either and this whole thing is retarted, and your all just internet tough guys.

because stuff like that dosnt help any body.

Thanks Dad. Perhaps you mind your own business. I have every right to state my opinion and leave it at that. Just like you have every right to be a prick.

hm very nice product, just advertise it, if to many people don't like it, then you need to listen to them instead of persuming they are wrong like you seem to be doing.

It's a unique product but IMO it won't help you one bit.

The thing is, you can't emulate what a human does. Slipping, giving angles and countering.

Nothing beats sparing, heavy bag work, speed bag, mitts, double end bag and the traditional training in boxing.

It's cool but redundant or better yet, ineffective.

It would be like putting another wheel on a bicycle. May look cool but you don't really need it.

Ori, The site is more succinct now. Thanks.

cuauh, Understood. If I added upper cuts and hooks, it still wouldn't be able to throw them at perfectly right times. It is interesting though looking at boxing videos and my limited experience, how if people kept their guard up or returned the punching hand immediately to a guard position, they would have avoided so much. For me, the RBT has shown me the importance of guarding because it will be very quick in exposing an opening. Granted, I always keep in mind that the guard must also be covering hooks and uppercuts that the RBT does not throw.

atgatt, I think you have a great concept with the RBT. If you only had some more $ to throw into further development of the aesthetics. It would be really nice if you could add gloves or somehow form the foam into a glove shape without increasing the weight beyond the limitations of the arms. Adding uppercuts, body blows and such would be great additions. Perhaps giving it the ability to rotate as well. Also making it such that the user can set a specific combonation to be thrown. But all in all I think it's a good idea. You just needs to expand on it to make it market ready. Which I imagine will cost considerably. Take your idea on Shark Tank or find some investors so you can really do it right. I can see a market for it.

Alot the guys on this site are boxing purists and I don't think that's who this training tool is for. Imo I could see this type of machine in multi-sport gyms across the country used by weekend warriors/professional types that wanna feel like they're boxers without actually boxing.

Ori, The site is more succinct now. Thanks.

cuauh, Understood. If I added upper cuts and hooks, it still wouldn't be able to throw them at perfectly right times. It is interesting though looking at boxing videos and my limited experience, how if people kept their guard up or returned the punching hand immediately to a guard position, they would have avoided so much. For me, the RBT has shown me the importance of guarding because it will be very quick in exposing an opening. Granted, I always keep in mind that the guard must also be covering hooks and uppercuts that the RBT does not throw.

Again, no downing the product. I think it's very innovative but even if you add upper cuts and hooks for example, how would this help you train for a fight.

As the poster above me said, I think that it would help more people who are not seriously into boxing. Someone who might be looking to practice boxing without the contact. As a trainer myself, I couldn't see this product being effective for one of my fighters because it can't do something that sparring can't do.

It could however be a workout tool used by people that want to box without the contact.

i dont think this really has a purpose in a gym i mean if your their might as well just spar some one.

i think if some one where to purchase it for home use it would be quite useful for random slipping deflecting and parrying pratice when some one is not availabe to hold mits or spar with.

I mean its not going to replace anything thats at a gym, but at home when your not going to have someone around 24/7 this would be alot better then nothing or a slip bag.

alb, Thanks for the inputs. Yeah, I will be adding to it when I get the funds (work) again to do so. It’s my guess that at least 95% of those that buy boxing equipment such as speed bags, slip bags, heavy bags, etc, don’t box in the ring, me included. I have too many injuries from my youth to go full throttle in a ring today. My biggest experience in fighting is street fights, and it didn’t care for them then, and do what I can to avoid them now. With that, things happen very fast and there is no second chance or weight matching category. That’s what I really like about the RBT, its dang fast with no telegraph. The two fighters that “tried” it got smacked by it too even at a lower speed.

That said, although I still love to workout on the other bags, nothing compares to the RBT as it is. I use it about 4 times a week and the other days I use the bags. It still amazes me how much more tiring the RBT is even though I punch at it less. If your guard is lax anywhere within 18 inches of it, the straight jabs are so quick it will get to your head and show the opening you left.

Reading about reaction times, I do feel you can train your eyes to pick up things quicker. When I shot pistol competition for years, most people (including me at first) waited for the start buzzer to sound and then we’d kick in doing the course of fire. With time you start to learn to react quicker to just the start of the buzzer saving a few tenths of a second. So as with fighting, fractions of second matter a lot. If one can train their eyes to perceive something a fraction of a second quicker, it’s a big deal. For me, as an honest observation which may just be a feeling with no substance to back it up, but first using the RBT compared to now, I am picking things up a bit quicker on the arms, and dang sure keeping my guard up more.

cauah, I do understand where you're coming from. Only God can design a human body to do the marvelous things it does. But these are sincere questions. One boxing trainer who tried it was getting hit a pretty decent amount at the lower speeds (which are about average jab speeds of about 8 to 9 mph) when he boxed against it. He prided himself on slipping, and for good reason because he did it well. After boxing against it, he just wanted to slip as both arms shot forward at random. Most the time he just stayed out of the arms' path or back farther away from the 18 inch punch length. I can't recall when his head was in that area, that he was fast enough to slip the punch. So, my sincere question is, how is it that someone can not learn from that? It is disputable for sure, but I happen to agree that the jab is the most important punch. It opens up so many other punches that are more powerful. So doesn't it make sense to practice against getting hit by jabs by training your reaction times to pick things up quicker to stop them?

Again, those are not sarcastic questions and I am trying to get the feel from people in the know. Thanks.

urm first you say your not a trained boxer, then I see a video of you at medium speed deflecting the robotic punches as if it was nothing then you say that a trained boxer was getting hit all the time on the slowest speed???

your robotic thing needs different combinations, such as unpredictable ones, cause anyone can parry/slip the 1-2 combination if thats all thats coming.

I agree with ysem that it would be good if your at home but like he said it would not replace the equipment/people at the gym.

Ori, In the first video I have it at a lower speed, not the lowest and not medium. I could stop about 80% of those without boxing at the center bag. At medium speed I could stop about 20%, and at high speed zero percent, again with no boxing at the center bag. I get much more when I add the boxing too.

I was deflecting punches with my arms and hands, the trainer did not believe in doing that so he only tried to slip the punches. I said no way could I move my head as fast as my hands but according to him you shouldn't try doing it that way. So what do you want me to say?

Ok, so you can slip the 1-2 combinations it throws. Why couldn't the trainer and the other person who I was told was a second degree black belt, and he only did one arm? This is where I get confused because they are random enough to where you really don't know what its pattern is. There is just a bit, but it sure throws me off and the few others that tried it. So again, what do you want me to say? If you think you can do it, I'd love to see it and I wish I could get others to try to do the same.

My goal was never to replace equipment/people at gym but just to add another tool to the arsenal that can do what the others don't, and I know that leaves it open for the next group that will take that out of context.

thats stupid... wast of time Sorry....

I think the RBT would be great for those who dont want real contact. So far its just a jabbing machine, until you can get hooks, uppercuts, body shots in there would it be ready to sell IMO. So keep working on it.

I was just thinking about this RBT thing again and it dawned on me a perfect comparison and why I know it can be sold. It is essentially a Pitching machine. I played 13 years of baseball and can't count the number of times I practiced hitting with a pitching machine. Now there were always people there who could have thrown balls/pitched to me. And the pitching machine can't begin to simulate the throwing motion, trajectory, spin or change the pitch (curve, slider, fast ball) and there is no human error yet it is a fairly common training tool used in Baseball. The pitching machine is designed to enhance 1 facet of the sport, , hitting/swinging, by repetition of movement. That is in essence what atgatt's RBT is. A tool for hand eye coordination and defensive drills. So why can't the RBT be Boxing's pitching machine?

@sleazy......Nice Av....can't believe anyone else has seen Penitentiary II. That's an old movie.

So why can't the RBT be Boxing's pitching machine?


Um....it dosnt pitch.....DUH and what does pitching have to do with boxing anyways.....

No but really thats what it is but its more of a blocking machine meant to teach you how to block more quickly by repeatedly forcing you to slip block deflect or parry punches with your arms. Id imagine an experienced boxer with alittle imagination could easily do more then that even. just like an experienced batter can use a pitching machine instead of just hitting the balls but to work on aiming where he hits the balls as well.

Good comparison

I mean if a boxer can look in a mirror and imagine an opponent they should be able to look at this machine like its an opponent quite easily.

and for only 500$ i mean ive already started saving

cauah, I do understand where you're coming from. Only God can design a human body to do the marvelous things it does. But these are sincere questions. One boxing trainer who tried it was getting hit a pretty decent amount at the lower speeds (which are about average jab speeds of about 8 to 9 mph) when he boxed against it. He prided himself on slipping, and for good reason because he did it well. After boxing against it, he just wanted to slip as both arms shot forward at random. Most the time he just stayed out of the arms' path or back farther away from the 18 inch punch length. I can't recall when his head was in that area, that he was fast enough to slip the punch. So, my sincere question is, how is it that someone can not learn from that? It is disputable for sure, but I happen to agree that the jab is the most important punch. It opens up so many other punches that are more powerful. So doesn't it make sense to practice against getting hit by jabs by training your reaction times to pick things up quicker to stop them?

Again, those are not sarcastic questions and I am trying to get the feel from people in the know. Thanks.

So you can better understand where I'm coming from. It's a unique device and if refined and worked on, could possibly work in a scenario where people wanted to train without contact.

The point is, that as a boxing trainer myself, I don't see the practical application of the machine as opposed to sparring or even mitts. Those would give you better work, cheaper to make (or buy) and would do MORE than the machine could ever do.

So while I do think that the machine is unique and even a little cool, I think ultimately if you want to market something for the public or for boxers to use, you have to create a product that gives you something that traditional training does not. In this case, this machine falls short in that capacity.

you have to create a product that gives you something that traditional training does not. In this case, this machine falls short in that capacity.

In action pistol competition we had a golden rule, “DON’T EXPECT TO DO FAST WHAT YOU CAN’T DO SLOW.” That meant if you’re shooting fast and yet getting poor hits, you need to slow down to a pace that you are hitting good hits and working up from there. Going slower makes you focus on every movement and getting them right before moving on, by training your eyes to see more in the same amount of time.

The RBT will allow a person to slow down the speeds of the jabs to focus on movements and then increase the speeds to get better at it.

So, it seems I can’t get an answer to the question I posted to you except for if it’s not a sparring partner, it does not matter if an important specific area can be worked on in a different way. If that is the case, why is a slip bag used? Why does it work so well at getting the reflex down to move? You are all asking me to be fair about how I should accept my inputs from you, and I’ll admit I could be stubborn but nonetheless making changes in perception to see your points of view, but yet I can’t get answers to mine.

So I’ll change the questions. Do you use a slip bag and if so, do you find it helpful like so many other boxers do? If yes, how is the slip bag better than what the RBT can offer when it’s not remotely close? Why is a slip bag even used when a sparring partner is the ultimate?

It is not a case of trying to change your mind and buy the RBT, it is a case of fairness and getting an explanation back to let me see how I am missing a point.

And I do applaud your kind, civil exchange. The trainer that I met a few weeks ago was the same way, very personable. Thanks.

cauah.., so what you're telling me, the slip bag training video below is more beneficial than the RBT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLjm4SM5HM4

what he said was pretty clear, the slip bag is cheaper... the slip bag goes in at different angles to.

like someone said above, your machine is also mainly a jabbing machine... into you can get hooks and stuff in, at different combinations to then thats all it will be. in a real fight, someone may throw a very fast jab, then throw a slow jab, then a fast double jab, right hand or maybe a double jab right hook etc.. bla bla im talking shit I know, but your machine should inhibit randomness like that.

in all honestly, for people who wanna do a bit of training back home, your machine may be good but in a gym it will never replace anything.

cauah.., so what you're telling me, the slip bag training video below is more beneficial than the RBT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLjm4SM5HM4

what he said was pretty clear, the slip bag is cheaper... the slip bag goes in at different angles to.

like someone said above, your machine is also mainly a jabbing machine... into you can get hooks and stuff in, at different combinations to then thats all it will be. in a real fight, someone may throw a very fast jab, then throw a slow jab, then a fast double jab, right hand or maybe a double jab right hook etc.. bla bla im talking shit I know, but your machine should inhibit randomness like that.

in all honestly, for people who wanna do a bit of training back home, your machine may be good but in a gym it will never replace anything.

atgatt, you seem to have answered your own question. I never said the machine could not be effective, I just said that how can the machine be more effective as traditional training? At a cheaper cost and more practical?

It seems buying or building a machine like that would cost lots of money, time and it would be something that would require a lot of space.

Look, I'm not trying to discourage you, you just asked for an honest opinion. As a trainer I'm always open to new techniques and equipment that might help but if you can't give me a reason as to why this bulky, costly machine is better than my mitts, sparring or Maize bag, then why would I want to buy it?

That's the question that you need to be asking yourself if you plan to market something like this. You have to find a demand for it before you can produce it and then supply it.

waist of money and time, its obvious the dude that invented this has never boxet in his life

ori, you said about cauah's answer "what he said was pretty clear, the slip bag is cheaper... the slip bag goes in at different angles to." Can you copy and paste that from his remarks please? I see where he said mitts, sparring, etc is cheaper and goes at different angles, where is that clear about the slip bag in his statements?

cauah, thanks for your feedback. There is something I'm missing about the added effectiveness, but I certainly can see what you're saying about cost. I wished it could be made cheaper. I do think though that the size isn't much. It extends out from the wall 34", but still not as small as a slip bag. Best wishes to you and you're a real gentleman. I bet you're a great trainer too.

Fidday, you're kind of right. I only glove boxed with friends and never took serious training. I had a lot more fights that were not with gloves and no ref. Those are a lot different than ring fights where anything goes and no one cares what they do to you. Not trying to sound tough, just being honest. Still, thank God, I did pretty good for myself not having a coach except for just studying fighting in general and just wanting to stay alive. Maybe some day I will take some lessons from a good trainer and do some light sparring. If I had to do it all over again, and wasn't so poor in my younger days, I would have loved to take lessons like you all are. No doubt you all could point out flaws I have and could improve upon. The RBT was done from a point of view that I thought would benefit the sport and I gather from people in the know that it's not. Excepted, but hey, I tried.

Best to you.

I dont know why some people are giving the guy a hard time. He has got off his ass and made an effort, and that should be admired not discouraged. I would say keep at it and you might have something.

I think maybe at the moment you are trying to do too much with it. The machine will not mimic real sparring, and the two arms are trying to mimic the straight left and right, but it cannot do this effectively.
I think the Martial arts guy who tried it might have had the right idea.
Just one arm is all the machine needs, and the punching bag to both sides, above and below the hydraulic arm. This way a boxer can practice slipping to the sides and counter punching ie slip to the left, right to the body, vice versa, overhand right around and over the arm etc.
This seems to me a much better tool. Think of how boxers used a piece of string to practice ducking/weaving side to side. A hydraulic punching arm adds a little more realism to it.
This would work and be effective, but obviously depends on the cost, but only one arm would already cut the cost a little.
Have the punching suface area adjustable to practice punches from all angles might be useful too.

This shows something we have here in Quito at the gym I train at. At 18 to 30sec in this video you can see three car tires joined together with plastic tubes going through it at right angles with gloves on the end of the tubes. This is interesting to train on but the way the arms swing in not realistic (in the video there are two boxers hitting it which is not usual it was just the cuban/ecuadorian nat. teams were training together). So having a hydraulic arm is really a step up.

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trrmo, Wow! Now that’s a boxing gym. You all sure know how to make the best use of your equipment. Very clever device you all made with the straight arms attached to the sides of the tires. Gives you something that is moving.

Here is some boxing invention that I have to hand it to the guy for a LOT of moving:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxXOOQFejPw&feature=related

The trainer at that one gym where the RBT was at said he’d love to see a slip bag that came at you at an adjustable speed. He is a huge fan of the slip bag. He is the same trainer that got hit by the RBT arms. Nonetheless, I actually started making a prototype slip bag that would do just as he wished. Then it hit me, why should I? I’d much rather have an “arm” come at me like the RBT does.

What if there was one RBT arm that you attached anywhere on a wall that you found good, it still had the 5 to 13 mph punch speed adjustments, still punched out 18 inches, still had the flexible shoulder, but….it would punch out about every 4 seconds, no randomness. That would cut down a lot on electronic cost that is in the present RBT. If a person wanted to use it just for slipping, they can do that. If they wanted something to punch at while they slipped, they can put whatever punching device around the arm themselves. Would you find that worthy of a tool? It would be much cheaper than the present RBT but not nearly as cheap as a slip bag. If I were guessing if I could do it, it would be about $150 to $200. Possibly less than that if a company did higher volume than my low volume cost. Consider too, you HAVE to wear protection with it.

If the arm was ONLY used for punching out and did not have to be flexible for side blocking, that would reduce the cost much more.

trrmo, Wow! Now that’s a boxing gym. You all sure know how to make the best use of your equipment. Very clever device you all made with the straight arms attached to the sides of the tires. Gives you something that is moving.

Here is some boxing invention that I have to hand it to the guy for a LOT of moving:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxXOOQFejPw&feature=related

The trainer at that one gym where the RBT was at said he’d love to see a slip bag that came at you at an adjustable speed. He is a huge fan of the slip bag. He is the same trainer that got hit by the RBT arms. Nonetheless, I actually started making a prototype slip bag that would do just as he wished. Then it hit me, why should I? I’d much rather have an “arm” come at me like the RBT does.

What if there was one RBT arm that you attached anywhere on a wall that you found good, it still had the 5 to 13 mph punch speed adjustments, still punched out 18 inches, still had the flexible shoulder, but….it would punch out about every 4 seconds, no randomness. That would cut down a lot on electronic cost that is in the present RBT. If a person wanted to use it just for slipping, they can do that. If they wanted something to punch at while they slipped, they can put whatever punching device around the arm themselves. Would you find that worthy of a tool? It would be much cheaper than the present RBT but not nearly as cheap as a slip bag. If I were guessing if I could do it, it would be about $150 to $200. Possibly less than that if a company did higher volume than my low volume cost. Consider too, you HAVE to wear protection with it.

If the arm was ONLY used for punching out and did not have to be flexible for side blocking, that would reduce the cost much more.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. The side blocking would be a bonus but not essential. If you had half a dozen of the arms lined up along the wall, with a static punching pad surrounding each arm you could connect them all to one generator? sounds feasible and realistic to me.
The gym here couldnt afford, Eucador is a poor country and the gym receives limited funds. But in the States or Europe I dont see why not.

ori, you said about cauah's answer "what he said was pretty clear, the slip bag is cheaper... the slip bag goes in at different angles to." Can you copy and paste that from his remarks please? I see where he said mitts, sparring, etc is cheaper and goes at different angles, where is that clear about the slip bag in his statements?

cauah, thanks for your feedback. There is something I'm missing about the added effectiveness, but I certainly can see what you're saying about cost. I wished it could be made cheaper. I do think though that the size isn't much. It extends out from the wall 34", but still not as small as a slip bag. Best wishes to you and you're a real gentleman. I bet you're a great trainer too.

Fidday, you're kind of right. I only glove boxed with friends and never took serious training. I had a lot more fights that were not with gloves and no ref. Those are a lot different than ring fights where anything goes and no one cares what they do to you. Not trying to sound tough, just being honest. Still, thank God, I did pretty good for myself not having a coach except for just studying fighting in general and just wanting to stay alive. Maybe some day I will take some lessons from a good trainer and do some light sparring. If I had to do it all over again, and wasn't so poor in my younger days, I would have loved to take lessons like you all are. No doubt you all could point out flaws I have and could improve upon. The RBT was done from a point of view that I thought would benefit the sport and I gather from people in the know that it's not. Excepted, but hey, I tried.

Best to you.

yeah cause all the great boxers were spoiled rich kids

this guy is full of shit