Right now, based on what they have done. Who do you think ranks higher? I say Trinidad by a landslide.

if trinidad didnt retire trinidad......but as of now winky because hes been doing more......

I got Trinidad at 10 right now, cause hes half way threw the door, the day he beats Winky, he offically is back, and entered the building to become top 3 again or something (for me atleast).

Lets just say theyre tied,even though really Tito has fought the better oppsition, Wright can claim he beat Shane, after the fight one wil come on top.(Here's hoping its not Twinky)

Tito's retirement would put him plus his loss to hopkins places him 10th but when he defeats Winky and then may be Hopkins the list will change dramatically IMO.

tito retired after getting his ass kicked by hopkins. whats was his reason for retiring? i think he retired like a little *****! now he wants to come back and challange a much older hopkins. i still think hopkins would whoop his ass though. and yeah winky should be higher in p4p because he has been active and beating good fighters

Tito's retirement would put him plus his loss to hopkins places him 10th but when he defeats Winky and then may be Hopkins the list will change dramatically IMO.

another hopeful...do you still believe Hopkins/Tito II was a fluke? :D

Hopkins wants a big payday fight before he retires and which opponent than Felix Trinidad will give him a big payday fight.

I got Trinidad at 10 right now, cause hes half way threw the door, the day he beats Winky, he offically is back, and entered the building to become top 3 again or something (for me atleast).


you have him at 10 because of his one win in the past three years? was Mayorga ranked in the P4P when Tito beat him?

I think Trinidad ranks higher P4P regardless of activity. IMO, the ranking is solely dependent on opposition and Bronco McKart 3 times, JC Candelo, and disputable losses to Vargas, Harry Simon and Vazquez? (I think that's his name) don't hold to par w/ Trinidad. Regardless of what you may think about the DLH fight, Tito was awarded the decision, TKOed Vargas, destroyed Joppy, Yory Boy Campas, Mayorga (Yea he was blown up but nonetheless he was name fighter and former undisputed champ) and only lost to P4P king Bernard Hopkins. Shane Mosley is Wright's claim to fame but I don't believe he was really all there at 154 while I thought Trinidad fought natural 154 and 160 pounders in Vargas and Joppy and knocked them out.

I got him in the mid-teens.

tito retired after getting his ass kicked by hopkins. whats was his reason for retiring? i think he retired like a little *****! now he wants to come back and challange a much older hopkins. i still think hopkins would whoop his ass though. and yeah winky should be higher in p4p because he has been active and beating good fighters
That much older Hopkins, and by older I think you mean worse fighter, destroyed DLH much faster than what it took to beat Tito and this was not too long ago. tito retired because the fighters that he wanted to fight made themselves unavailable, like some are doing right now. I've said before that Hopkins then should retire with an easy fight against Tito in which he will make more money than he has ever made before.

Right now I don't know where to place him, but on May 14 he will take Winky's place in the P4P list...

Trinidad-Hopkins II Sept 2005! :cool:

I agree, on May 14 Tito will show that he is the best P4P fighter!

Tito definately is higher on the scale than Winky
And for all of u saying that Tito retired and came back to fight an older Hopkins, get your **** straight
Tito wanted the rematch and Hopkins refused
And now that Titos back I wouldnt be surprised if Hopkins retires without giving him a rematch. Notice how he didnt even mention Tito in his last fight. He knows what time it is.
Anywayz right now Hopkins is the best fighter in his weight
Titos second and than we got Winky.
Lets pray that Hopkins doesnt ***** out and not give Tito the rematch.

You people make me sick. Titos been out for so long and hasn`t fought a fighter of Wright`s ability in nearly 4 years. If you can any sense you`d wager some cash on Wright just in case Wright`s activity and Tito`s inactivity result in Ronald Wright pasting Tito with a jab all night and winning on points. And ah, i know, Tito is gonna win by KO blah blah, well i`m gonna put a few bucks on Wright, by fight time probably get 6 to 1.

You people make me sick. Titos been out for so long and hasn`t fought a fighter of Wright`s ability in nearly 4 years. If you can any sense you`d wager some cash on Wright just in case Wright`s activity and Tito`s inactivity result in Ronald Wright pasting Tito with a jab all night and winning on points. And ah, i know, Tito is gonna win by KO blah blah, well i`m gonna put a few bucks on Wright, by fight time probably get 6 to 1.
Yeah Titos gonna win by KO blah blah blah
wow Winkys the man...look how he beat Mosley

Yes indeed. In the first fight Wright easily wiped the floor with Mosley, thank God Tito is a superior technical fighter than Mosley, if he wasn`t Wright might be able to do the same to him!

Yes indeed. In the first fight Wright easily wiped the floor with Mosley, thank God Tito is a superior technical fighter than Mosley, if he wasn`t Wright might be able to do the same to him!
I agree and Titos left hook cant possibly make Winkys legs turn noodles
LMAO

Is that the same Left hook that ended Hopkin`s middleweight title reign, cos im confused, i didn`t see the left hook hit Hopkins allot in that fight, maybe Tito thought he`d save it for a more important fight!

Is that the same Left hook that ended Hopkin`s middleweight title reign, cos im confused,!

Obviously you missed the "left-hook" that demolished the best fighter who ever lived:

Ricardo Mayorga. :rolleyes: Such a stern test for tito!

Bleh.

Is that the same Left hook that ended Hopkin`s middleweight title reign, cos im confused, i didn`t see the left hook hit Hopkins allot in that fight, maybe Tito thought he`d save it for a more important fight!
LMAO
I like u already man
explain to me y u and the rest tito haters can only point to the Hopkins fight to try and prove that tito isnt as great as he is
Some fighters have off nights
Cant really **** on Tito for having one off night
Tito at his best is better than Hopkins and if u dont agree than I guess we're just gonna have to wait for the rematch ...that is unless he ******* out of one.

Obviously you missed the "left-hook" that demolished the best fighter who ever lived:

Ricardo Mayorga. :rolleyes: Such a stern test for tito!

Bleh.


Oh, it slipped my mind, my bad. Well, with such a huge empathetic victory under Tito`s belt then how dare people even suggest Wright has a chance of making it past the introductions for the fight, let alone the first round.

Oh, it slipped my mind, my bad. Well, with such a huge empathetic victory under Tito`s belt then how dare people even suggest Wright has a chance of making it past the introductions for the fight, let alone the first round.
LOL now youre going over board
Ofcourse Winky has a chance


ps where the hell is the edit option in here

LMAO
explain to me y u and the rest tito haters can only point to the Hopkins fight to try and prove that tito isnt as great as he is
.

First off, i never said Tito wasn`t a great fighter, he is. He has beaten some great fighters and i do enjoy his style ( i thought the Vargas fight was fight of the year if not for the Barrera - Morales fight in the same year ). He is a great fighter no doubt. My problem lays in people claiming that Hopkins is a push over and Tito is gonna win the rematch. Now, stating this is fine but back it up with reasoning and logic like..what has Tito done to show the world he`ll fair any better?
Was it the Mayorga fight, did he show by beating the welterweight that he will get KO revenage against Hopkins?

It all made sense, until this...

Some fighters have off nights

Bull****. Tito got his ass whooped fair and square, it's really that simple. Tito tried but just got WALLOPED. Do you claim Tito had an off night vs Oscar, because he looked pretty bad against DLH before DLH got tired and stated running.

Only differences between the DLH fight and Hopkins fight is Hopkins can take a punch better, wasn't afraid of Tito, and he doesn't get tired like DLH does.

It's not like Tito barely lost...he lost every round except MAYBE one, and then he got TKO'd. I believe Tito is a great fighter but straight up, he is not better than Hopkins, and that was proven in 2001.

First off, i never said Tito wasn`t a great fighter, he is. He has beaten some great fighters and i do enjoy his style ( i thought the Vargas fight was fight of the year if not for the Barrera - Morales fight in the same year ). He is a great fighter no doubt. My problem lays in people claiming that Hopkins is a push over and Tito is gonna win the rematch. Now, stating this is fine but back it up with reasoning and logic like..what has Tito done to show the world he`ll fair any better?
Was it the Mayorga fight, did he show by beating the welterweight that he will get KO revenage against Hopkins?
OK I think he'll win the rematch cuz he can use the last fight as a learning experience
I think going toe to toe and trying to prove how much of a warrior he is a negative for Tito.....If he learns from the last fight and decides to box...he'll win....that combined with his power will defeat Hopkins....Hopkins can only take so many hooks...We all know what Titos hook does to people....Hopkins didnt experience that in his last fight and its not completely cuz hes "such a brilliant fighter"...part of it was cuz Tito just wasnt fighting for whatever reason.

That comment was so dumb I forgot to discuss Tito and Wink on the p4p scale.

It's hard for me to say p4p who think is better, but given Trinidad's long layoff, I slightly favor Winky. Winky has been active and he is undisputedly the champion in his weight class.

Let's also not forget, it's not as if Winky is the same size as Tito. Tito is the bigger fighter. Does anyone know what Tito weighed in the ring vs Mayorga?

Oh thank you Super lightweight for delivering the cold hand of truth to young loak. I hope this helps him in the long run and doesn`t spoil his interest in boxing, we need all the fans we can get!

DLH's a bum
dont mention him
sure he was winning technically in the beginning
but he was running like a *****..
as soon as he stopped running so fast tito rocked him

OK I think he'll win the rematch cuz he can use the last fight as a learning experience
.

And what did Tito learn exactly? I thought he was certainly taught a lesson no doubt but what good was that lesson to him?

And your comments on how tito is gonn box Hopkins! Tito is not a good boxer as par say. He couldn`t outbox Vargas ( the left hooks and power won him the fight, not the jab! ) and can u really see Tito out jabbing hopkins? Tito`s jab has always been a rumour and after a lenghy lay off ( which can be a massive draw bakc to a boxer who uses boxing skills, such as jab, slip etc.. ) could be really contend with a man who outboxed De La Hoya, every southpaw he`s faced, Joppy, Eastman etc...I don`t think so!

DLH's a bum
dont mention him


Ok....i think we have entered into a different world here!

And what did Tito learn exactly? I thought he was certainly taught a lesson no doubt but what good was that lesson to him?

And your comments on how tito is gonn box Hopkins! Tito is not a good boxer as par say. He couldn`t outbox Vargas ( the left hooks and power won him the fight, not the jab! ) and can u really see Tito out jabbing hopkins? Tito`s jab has always been a rumour and after a lenghy lay off ( which can be a massive draw bakc to a boxer who uses boxing skills, such as jab, slip etc.. ) could be really contend with a man who outboxed De La Hoya, every southpaw he`s faced, Joppy, Eastman etc...I don`t think so!
Tito has a harder jab than Hopkins
He displayed how deadly his jab is against Mayorga
I understand that Tito upsets u but be real kid
Winky is gonna lose and Hopkins doesnt even want to fight Tito
Alot of the people that Tito fought were more skilled.
Answer this who will win in the tito and winky fight?

Answer this who will win in the tito and winky fight?

I cannot answer that question at this time, a week before the fight i will answer it!

DLH's a bum


once again:

did you include the "sarchasm" tag? :confused:

I cannot answer that question at this time, a week before the fight i will answer it!
Ofcourse u cant

once again:

did you include the "sarchasm" tag? :confused:
not this time
he can box but I dont like him so I tend to call him a bum from time to time especially after he got knocked out by a tap to the rib cage.

Where was Morales before he beat Pac? Nowhere on the P4P lists, all of sudden hes #3, two straight hot wins will put Trinidad at the #2 spot cause thats where he was before the Hopkins fight, #2 after Roy Jones himself.

Tito was a Welterweight himself, Tito got to Middle he won a title, Eric just beat Pacman moving up in weight, whats wrong with him being atleast at ten, and when he beats Winky he will become top 3 again, you are far behind...

Yes he is, they both are, P4P lists are for the best fighters out today who have proved time and time again that they belong on the list, I serously would hate a list based on a peoples 15 min.'s of fame.

Once Tito beats Wright on May 14th he will be at #5 P4P in my opinion. For the record I think Winky will survive long enough to hear the decision victory for Tito but he will be hurt by the end of the fight.

I think if it goes to the scorecards Wright willbe the winner. IF.......Tito is to win i would think a body attack should be his game, Left hook to the body and bring the guard down for a right over the top. But the only way i see Tito winning on points is if Don King is involved! ( wait a minute....)

yeah u would use don king as an excuse wouldnt u?

After he beats Winky (if he beats Winky) then Trinidad is the Man.

yeah u would use don king as an excuse wouldnt u?

Why not? gotta have a use hasn`t he?

yeah u would use don king as an excuse wouldnt u?
Great picture of Larry "one more scotch please" Merchant, about to fall over from the booze.....I went to a Lennox Lewis/Michael Moorer double header at Arco Arena back in '95, Larry made about 10 trips to the bar during the undercard fights, he could barely stand up during the interviews, it was a thing of beauty!

I`ve heard that before that ol` Larry likes one too many Whiskeys. Is he really a drunk?

I think if it goes to the scorecards Wright willbe the winner. IF.......Tito is to win i would think a body attack should be his game, Left hook to the body and bring the guard down for a right over the top. But the only way i see Tito winning on points is if Don King is involved! ( wait a minute....)

Tito will go to the body. I think Winky will be winning the fight early but by the middle rounds Tito will start to come on and take over the fight with body shots and head shots. By the late rounds Tito will be ahead and will start to really bust Wright up and hurt him down the stretch but Winky will hold on long enough to lose a decision. In my opinion Winky can't stand in front of Tito and expect to win no matter how good his defense is. Winky will counter Tito with good shots but he also will leave himself open for Tito's counter shots. Tito doesn't just eat shots like most think. If you look closely he slips and picks off alot of shots with his gloves.

They will both land punches but Tito will land the harder shots and wear Winky out.

Tito by decision maybe late round stoppage if the ref shows Winky some mercy.

I'm tired of excuses like winky is not a worthy opponent for tito because he is coming up in weight, but then Tito's done the same several times and didn't use that as an excuse for a bad performance. winky is a good fighter, so good that most people on this site gives him a spot on the PPP list. So no excuses if tito wins and no excuses if doesn't. The admirable thing about Tito is that he will accept the challenge.

As far as Hopkins, he clearly beat Tito, but for us Tito fans, he did not fight the way we think he normally does, not to take away from Hopkins who did his homework and fought the perfect fight but a rematch will clear in our minds that either it was a combination of a perfect night for Hopkins and a bad night for Tito or that Hopkins style is just too much for Tito. I say again if Hopkins is so superior then the rematch is a nobrainer because of all the money involved.

Right now, based on what they have done. Who do you think ranks higher? I say Trinidad by a landslide.

Right now it's winky for the reason of being more active but their fight is fast approachin so whoever wins will be ranked higher!