Alright guys, after every big fight we have to update our #4# list, so what is yours? Here is mine. I know mine will be alot different then most and that you probally wont agree but I will try to explain myself :)

1-Hopkins
2-Mayweather
3-Tszyu
4-Wright
5-Castillo
6-Corrales
7-R.Marquez
8-Judah
9-Morales
10-MAB/Pac

The top 3 are easy. Then I have Winky because he beat Shane twice and hasnt lost in a long time.

5 and 6 have fought the best and the winner of there fight should be should be 5 and could be 4th if Winky loses to Tito.

R.Marquez has some very good wins and I think he is the best brother.

Zab beat Spinks in his backyard and by KO

Now this is where it gets really tricky. I have Erik over MAB and Pac because he just beat Pac. He lost to MAB but it was a close fight, while on the other hand MAB beat Morales but was totaly dominated and TKO by Pac just a couple of fights ago so thats why Erik is on the top.

Then I have MAB and Pac the same because Pac dominated and TKO MAB but since then MAB has beaten Morales and Ayala while on the other hand Pac has lost to Erik and had a draw with Marquez.

The only other guys you could have on there is Glen Johnson and Tito. Johnson has 2 good wins but at the same time, I thought Roy was washed up and Tarver was overrated for beating a washed up Jones.

Tito will be high on my list if he beats Winky but I dont have him on there because it was just 2 fights ago when he got dominated and KO by X. You might then say what is the difference between him and MAB. The difference is that MAB came back and beat a #4# guy in Morales while Tito beat Mayorga, who is a good fighter but was too small to be at 160

If your gonna have winky in there you might as well have Sturm, their most popular wins are against guys who where moving up to much , losing their effectiveness.

9-Morales #9?

If your gonna have winky in there you might as well have Sturm, their most popular wins are against guys who where moving up to much , losing their effectiveness.
I dont know about that one. 154 isnt to big for Shane. DLH definatly didnt need to be at 160. Shane is much better at 154 then Oscar at 160.

9-Morales #9?
I dont think it is fair for these guys to lose but stay high in the rankings. Look at the guys the people in front of him have beaten. Morales hasnt looked good until this fight. He lost to MAB twice and had very close wins including one over a one hand Chaves

frankly its an insult to have Morales as low in the top 10 as you have him.

All of these guys easily dont deserve to be in front of Morales,

3-Tszyu
4-Wright
5-Castillo
6-Corrales
7-R.Marquez
8-Judah

This is BS!!!

Erick is the best figther p4p, move over Hopkins, move over Floyd!!!

Very hard P4P list, mine would look something like this.
Hopkins
Mayweather
Morales
Winky
Barrera
Tszyu
Zab Judah
James Toney
Diego Corrales
Trinidad (Will put him super high on list if he beats Winky, Zoom Zoom! :D )
Pacman left out cause todays loss, and the draw he had.

All of these guys easily dont deserve to be in front of Morales,

3-Tszyu
4-Wright
5-Castillo
6-Corrales
7-R.Marquez
8-Judah
Reply dude. I'll pay up the 50 million.

1a.MAyweather
1b.Hopkins
2.morales
3.tsyzu
4.castillo(this man could easily be top 3 after beating corrales)
5.winky
6.pac/barrera
8.corrales
9.trinidad
10.judah/rafael marquez/juan marquez

Reply dude. I'll pay up the 50 million.
I have already replied above. All of you are insane. Im sick of all of you leaving Morales, MAB, and Pac high on the list no matter what happeneds. It's the same **** that people used to do with Oscar. Before this fight people thought Morales was finished. He lost to MAB twice and had very close wins over lesser fighters including one agianst a one arm Chaves that he might have lost if that didnt happened.

Give these other guys a chance.

I dont know about that one. 154 isnt to big for Shane. DLH definatly didnt need to be at 160. Shane is much better at 154 then Oscar at 160.

Maybe,winky was too much,physicaly for shane though, shane couldnt touch him, i dont think that was defense vs offense, i think it was just a mismatch, so i cant really say winky has looked impressived, hes just looked...bigger.

This is BS!!!

Erick is the best figther p4p, move over Hopkins, move over Floyd!!!

LOL!!!! bwahahahahaha!!!! best fighter indeed. :D

1-Hopkins
2-Mayweather
3-Tszyu
4-Wright
5-Castillo
6-Corrales
7-R.Marquez
8-Judah
9-Morales
10-MAB/Pac



Im gonna re-arrange yours, so you can see how i see it.

1-Hopkins (What can i say, noone can touch him,literaly)
2-Mayweather (Hops only competition here,incredible skills)
3-Tszyu (Deserves the nod for looking like he can KO godzila)
4-Morales(Has only lost MAB,was impressive against pac,c'mon)
5-Castillo (Can hold is own,has fought good opposition)
6-Corrales (Has looked impressive, bu he can eat alot of leather)
7-R.Marquez (Earned it,Needs big fight to really assert himself.)
8-MAB/Pac (Great fighters, but lacking in some respects)
9-Judah (Got hit clean by Spinks.Power,but not impressive skills)
10-Wright(uhhhhhh,Maybe after the Trinidad fight he can move up,or off/Tito place holder)

EDIT:Actually if Tito beats Wright, I'll put him ahead of Judah,and just drop Twinky.

Im gonna re-arrange yours, so you can see how i see it.

1-Hopkins (What can i say, noone can touch him,literaly)
2-Mayweather (Hops only competition here,incredible skills)
3-Tszyu (Deserves the nod for looking like he can KO godzila)
4-Morales(Has only lost MAB,was impressive against pac,c'mon)
5-Castillo (Can hold is own,has fought good opposition)
6-Corrales (Has looked impressive, bu he can eat alot of leather)
7-R.Marquez (Earned it,Needs big fight to really assert himself.)
8-MAB/Pac (Great fighters, but lacking in some respects)
9-Judah (Got hit clean by Spinks.Power,but not impressive skills)
10-Wright(uhhhhhh,Maybe after the Trinidad fight he can move up,or off/Tito place holder)

EDIT:Actually if Tito beats Wright, I'll put him ahead of Judah,and just drop Twinky.Your isnt as different as mine as you made it out to be. Read my thread that says "Im sick of this Morales, MAB, and Pac #4# stuff"

I have already replied above. All of you are insane. Im sick of all of you leaving Morales, MAB, and Pac high on the list no matter what happeneds. It's the same **** that people used to do with Oscar. Before this fight people thought Morales was finished. He lost to MAB twice and had very close wins over lesser fighters including one agianst a one arm Chaves that he might have lost if that didnt happened.

Give these other guys a chance.


Wha the heck are you talking about dude!!! have you seen the fight?? and who said morales was finished? you are talking to the wrong guy so stop *****ing. EM won fair and square and pac has nothing to be ashanmed of because he showed his worth aa a true p4p fighter despite the lose.

Wha the heck are you talking about dude!!! have you seen the fight?? and who said morales was finished? you are talking to the wrong guy so stop *****ing. EM won fair and square and pac has nothing to be ashanmed of because he showed his worth aa a true p4p fighter despite the lose.
A homey, you dont know me like that so stop coming at me like that. Alot of the public was saying that he was finished. I wasnt one of them and I picked him to win. Stop riding the band wagon clown. You were all on Pac before the fight, now your all on Morales. Get real and stop jumping ship

Your isnt as different as mine as you made it out to be. Read my thread that says "Im sick of this Morales, MAB, and Pac #4# stuff"

Key diffrence here is morales though, i have him 4 you have him 9, Im not trying to jump on the bandwagon here, i was rooting for Erik, he has incredible skills IMO, and if Pac could have beat Erik soundly , like really outboxed and not just have won by using his power, i would have finaly believed the hype about pac.


EDIT: PUBLIC ENEMY SAYZ "DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE", unless its about morales, then you can take that **** to the bank. ;)

A homey, you dont know me like that so stop coming at me like that. Alot of the public was saying that he was finished. I wasnt one of them and I picked him to win. Stop riding the band wagon clown. You were all on Pac before the fight, now your all on Morales. Get real and stop jumping ship

yes i was with pac but never did i say that EM is finished. Have i talked to you before the merit of this and told that morales is finished? Stop being presumtuous nad don't generalize. Not all boxing fans are nuthuggers.

yes i was with pac but never did i say that EM is finished. Have i talked to you before the merit of this and told that morales is finished? Stop being presumtuous nad don't generalize. Not all boxing fans are nuthuggers.
I never said that you said that. I said that the boxing public was saying that. I just read a few articles with experts saying that how many people thought Morales was finished.

I never said that you said that. I said that the boxing public was saying that. I just read a few articles with experts saying that how many people thought Morales was finished.
okay so it's the public then. BTW, i'm still with my man pacman and i'm never jumping ship as you are assuming. Don't you also come at me like that because i don't want enemies. I talk to people who agree to disagree but i get heat up when people pressume that i said this and i said that. It's benn okay talking with you. Hope you don't hold a meat to grind against any pacfan because we are ordinary boxing fans enjoying this forum for the betterment of ourselves and of boxing if i nmay say so.

okay so it's the public then. BTW, i'm still with my man pacman and i'm never jumping ship as you are assuming. Don't you also come at me like that because i don't want enemies. I talk to people who agree to disagree but i get heat up when people pressume that i said this and i said that. It's benn okay talking with you. Hope you don't hold a meat to grind against any pacfan because we are ordinary boxing fans enjoying this forum for the betterment of ourselves and of boxing if i nmay say so.
Hey you started this. I made a thread and then you made a post that said "stop bithcing" and thats why I got mad. It's all good though :)

1-Hopkins
2-Mayweather
3-Tszyu
4-Wright
5-Castillo
6-Corrales
7-R.Marquez
8-Judah
9-Morales
10-MAB/Pac



I think your list is very accurate...

All i can say is. The USA isnt the world!!!
I do agree with most of the list. 'Though i'd put Mayweather at the top. But 'sidestep' Hopkins wouldnt make my top ten. I'm glad to see Glencoffe Johnson not there, although this site voted him 'fighter of the year' ahead of Winky?????

Very hard P4P list, mine would look something like this.
Hopkins
Mayweather
Morales
Winky
Barrera
Tszyu
Zab Judah
James Toney
Diego Corrales
Trinidad (Will put him super high on list if he beats Winky, Zoom Zoom! :D )
Pacman left out cause todays loss, and the draw he had.
I can relate more to this list, well put

how the heck can you have Morales #9 and Marquez higher?

Morales is NO less than 3-4 in my book...I always had him number 3 before losing to MAB...but now he beats Pac who destroyed MAB...he is no less than 3-4

how the heck can you have Morales #9 and Marquez higher?

Morales is NO less than 3-4 in my book...I always had him number 3 before losing to MAB...but now he beats Pac who destroyed MAB...he is no less than 3-4
How can he be over Tszyu who hasnt lost in years. Also this is R.Marquez who beat Too Sharp twice and once by KO and he KO Tim Austin. Morales has lost twice to MAB and has had some close wins recently including a close win over a one arm Chaves who might have won if that didnt happened. Morales shouldnt be over top those other guys who have also fought the best and have good wins and are again getting ready to fight someone very good

How can he be over Tszyu who hasnt lost in years. Also this is R.Marquez who beat Too Sharp twice and once by KO and he KO Tim Austin. Morales has lost twice to MAB and has had some close wins recently including a close win over a one arm Chaves who might have won if that didnt happened. Morales shouldnt be over top those other guys who have also fought the best and have good wins and are again getting ready to fight someone very good

Regarding your p4p list i think what you were getting at was that , theres those fighters out there, like winky, who have built up their records against solid opposition,and you can call them great fighters, because maybe they deserve, but for the most part, theyre unproven against THESE, p4p fighters.I think p4p should be reserved for those fighters that go out of their way to prove their the best, so yeah maybe the list should change, but i dont think any of these solid fighters have done enough to deserve it .

1a.MAyweather
1b.Hopkins
2.morales
3.tsyzu
4.castillo(this man could easily be top 3 after beating corrales)
5.winky
6.pac/barrera
8.corrales
9.trinidad
10.judah/rafael marquez/juan marquez

AWFUL!

Mayweather is follwoing in same road of RJJ. It's NOT what you've done in the past BUT what have you done for us lately.

Tito is NOT top ten material.

AWFUL!

Mayweather is follwoing in same road of RJJ. It's NOT what you've done in the past BUT what have you done for us lately.

Tito is NOT top ten material.Yes he is, they both are, P4P lists are for the best fighters out today who have proved time and time again that they belong on the list, I serously would hate a list based on a peoples 15 min.'s of fame.

Yes he is, they both are, P4P lists are for the best fighters out today who have proved time and time again that they belong on the list, I serously would hate a list based on a peoples 15 min.'s of fame.

As of now Tito is NOT. Beating a Welterweight at you're best weight is not a great feat.

But with a win over Wright, will most likely get Tito in the top ten.

As of now Tito is NOT. Beating a Welterweight at you're best weight is not a great feat.

But with a win over Wright, will most likely get Tito in the top ten.Tito was a Welterweight himself, Tito got to Middle he won a title, Eric just beat Pacman moving up in weight, whats wrong with him being atleast at ten, and when he beats Winky he will become top 3 again, you are far behind...

Tito was a Welterweight himself, Tito got to Middle he won a title, Eric just beat Pacman moving up in weight, whats wrong with him being atleast at ten, and when he beats Winky he will become top 3 again, you are far behind...


Top 5 maybe...not top 3.

Top 5 maybe...not top 3.
Nope, top three.

Tito was a Welterweight himself, Tito got to Middle he won a title, Eric just beat Pacman moving up in weight, whats wrong with him being atleast at ten, and when he beats Winky he will become top 3 again, you are far behind...

Mayorga jumped 2 weight classes to fight Tito at his better weight AND Mayorga was coming off some bad performances.

Tito's win was nothing special.

Mayorga jumped 2 weight classes to fight Tito at his better weight AND Mayorga was coming off some bad performances.

Tito's win was nothing special.
Excuses, Trinidad been through all that, so what? Where was Morales before he beat Pac? Nowhere on the P4P lists, all of sudden hes #3, two straight hot wins will put Trinidad at the #2 spot cause thats where he was before the Hopkins fight, #2 after Roy Jones himself.

Sturm did not win against De La Hoya. It was a close controversial fight, I thought Sturm deserved the nod, but it could have gone either way. Wright clearly beat Mosely twice, and has been around the top for a long time

Excuses, Trinidad been through all that, so what? Where was Morales before he beat Pac? Nowhere on the P4P lists, all of sudden hes #3

:confused:

Erik beat Pac who was in the top 5 P4P. :eek:

Where was Mayo???? :D

Sidenote: You should check Rings Mags P4P list.

Have a nice day.

:confused:

Erik beat Pac who was in the top 5 P4P. :eek:

Where was Mayo???? :D

Sidenote: You should check Rings Mags P4P list.

Have a nice day.
If you havent noticed, most of these boxing chains(Ring, Maxcrapboxing ect) *except Boxingscene#1* :D are corrupted and plain false, just a week ago we had a thread puting down Boxrec's P4P list, dont belive what Ring tells you cause their extremely biased with their P4P lists and stuff, reading a offical boxing five dollar magazine does not make you more knownledgable in this sport, trust your own.