View Full Version : Which style is easiest to adapt?


'Sugar' Freddi
10-11-2009, 11:07 PM
Which style from the old era or even now is the easiest to adapt? I'm talking about big names, like Tyson, Joe Louis, Mayweather, and others.

What you guys think of Joe Louis' style? I don't think it's a very complicated style.

'Sugar' Freddi
10-11-2009, 11:14 PM
Sorry, I meant to post this in the Training & Nutrition section.

Stoppage
10-11-2009, 11:25 PM
Which style from the old era or even now is the easiest to adapt? I'm talking about big names, like Tyson, Joe Louis, Mayweather, and others.

What you guys think of Joe Louis' style? I don't think it's a very complicated style.

Joe Louis' style is pretty much textbook. The only fault I have on him is that after he would shoot his jab he would bring his hand down.

I've tried Tyson's style. It's called the peek-a-boo style. It's okay but I wouldn't use it for myself.

Mayweather's style is called the shoulder roll. I think it's really hard to do. You have to train yourself really hard to adapt to a style like his and he's pretty much perfected the it.

For me, I have a style that I don't really see often. I dance (run around) a lot but I also have tight defense. Sort of like Sugar Ray Leonard, in a way.

Out of the ones you mentioned, I guess it would be Joe Louis.

'Sugar' Freddi
10-11-2009, 11:33 PM
Joe Louis' style is pretty much textbook. The only fault I have on him is that after he would shoot his jab he would bring his hand down.

I've tried Tyson's style. It's called the peek-a-boo style. It's okay but I wouldn't use it for myself.

Mayweather's style is called the shoulder roll. I think it's really hard to do. You have to train yourself really hard to adapt to a style like his and he's pretty much perfected the it.

For me, I have a style that I don't really see often. I dance (run around) a lot but I also have tight defense. Sort of like Sugar Ray Leonard, in a way.

Out of the ones you mentioned, I guess it would be Joe Louis.

Yeah, I also thought Louis' style was the easiest. I was just watching and still watching some of his fights and I think it's great and I am going to try it next time I spar. :lol1: Some people tell me that I fight like Ray Mancini but I am trying to change my style. I want to fight in a style where I can be more comfortable and be calmed down. Louis' style seems to be a textbook, like you said. Pretty straight forward. I think that kind of style is also good for me as I can throw my overhand right with ease and put more power behind it.

'Sugar' Freddi
10-11-2009, 11:34 PM
By the way, do you see a slit similarity between Sugar Ray Robinson's style and Joe Louis?

Stoppage
10-11-2009, 11:38 PM
By the way, do you see a slit similarity between Sugar Ray Robinson's style and Joe Louis?

I guess in the way their posture is while fighting. I even read that Louis used to be one of Robinson's heroes while growing up so maybe Robinson adapted to it, a bit. But Robinson was a much more skilled boxer. Especially better on his feet.

When you're talking about a perfect fighter, Ray Robinson is a name that people will say, a lot.

'Sugar' Freddi
10-11-2009, 11:40 PM
I guess in the way their posture is while fighting. I even read that Louis used to be one of Robinson's heroes while growing up so maybe Robinson adapted to it a bit. But Robinson was a much more skilled boxer. Especially better on his feet.

When you're talking about a perfect fighter, Ray Robinson is a name that people will say, a lot.

Yeah, because when I watch their fights, I can see some similarities.

And yes, no doubt Robinson is the greatest. To me, he's #1 P4P ever.

Stoppage
10-11-2009, 11:49 PM
Oh yeah, one more thing.

Try and make sure that your style can adapt to your attributes. Like, if you have a weak chin then you have good defense.

'Sugar' Freddi
10-11-2009, 11:59 PM
Oh yeah, one more thing.

Try and make sure that your style can adapt to your attributes. Like, if you have a weak chin then you have good defense.

Nah, I think my chin is decent but that doesn't mean you don't have to protect it, one good shot can take anyone out.

I just noticed what you said before. Louis' did drop his hand after he jabbed and that was actually Schemling's plan, when Louis jabs and drops his left hand, Schemling throw the right hand right on the chin.

Verstyle
10-11-2009, 11:59 PM
Tyson's style is complicated but it best suits me.

'Sugar' Freddi
10-12-2009, 12:02 AM
Tyson's style is complicated but it best suits me.

To have Tyson's style, you need to have the physical power he had. You have to be physically strong and have a good punch. It's good that it suits you though, good luck. Make sure you move your head like Tyson as well.

'Sugar' Freddi
10-12-2009, 12:09 AM
Check out this video:
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Pretty good style and I think easy to adapt too.

Bushidō
10-12-2009, 01:16 AM
IMO Ali, Tyson's, Fraziers are the hardest for anyone to adapt. That's why we see no one that fights like them these days

JAB5239
10-12-2009, 01:56 AM
IMO Ali, Tyson's, Fraziers are the hardest for anyone to adapt. That's why we see no one that fights like them these days

I think Fraziers would be the hardest to adapt to. It takes incredible will and endurance to fight like Frazier did, to keep pressing forward.

Bushidō
10-12-2009, 02:09 AM
I think Fraziers would be the hardest to adapt to. It takes incredible will and endurance to fight like Frazier did, to keep pressing forward.

yeah. His defense was incredible for a guy that came forward 100% of the time too. That is hard to adapt

mickey malone
10-12-2009, 04:59 AM
You Training & Nutrition guys should post here more often..
For once, I agree with eveyone!... I'd say Joe Louis's fundumentals are the easiest to adapt, and there are similarities to Robinson.. Although to carry if off you'd need to throw 4 & 5 punch combo's with radar precision & KO power in every shot..

JAB's beaten me to it with regard to the most difficult style.. Frazier's style was his success.. Had it not been for his constant bobbing & weaving, he'd have no doubt been in the second tier with Shavers, Young, Bonavena etc.. In fact, he'd of probably lost to Bonavena..

Don't know whether any of you have studied the style of Chris Byrd?
If you've got sharp reflexes, I think it's fairly easy to adapt.. Kind of upright & off the back foot, with an extended lead & guard, while punching from the elbow.. It frustrates opponents into making mistakes, which is when he'll unload some good combo's..

If you've got a granite chin, Carl Froch should'nt be too hard to copy lol..

'Sugar' Freddi
10-12-2009, 10:25 AM
This is what I think. If you have a granite chin or not, you should always protect your chin. Maybe you won't fight guys with power in the beginning but later, you fight someone with power and you have a style where your chin is wide open in the air. I think anyone could go down from a good shot. I think a good overhand right can put down one, even if you have a granite chin.

Eric Holder
10-12-2009, 11:08 AM
Everyone has differing levels of athletic abilities and types of physical builds so I would guess that the easiest style to adapt differs person to person. But from what I've seen I'd say the high guard that guys like Josh Clottey and Felix Sturm use is pretty simple and effective. I agree with what others have said on here though that Joe Frazier's style is probably the most difficult to emulate.

Stoppage
10-12-2009, 11:19 AM
I used to practice Tyson's style, too, but I didn't find it useful for me. But the good thing about practicing it was that I developed good head movement.

Dynamite Kid
10-12-2009, 12:40 PM
I dont think you should imitate anyone's style, unless you have the physical capabilities to pull it off. When i see people trying to impersonate Tyson, Jones etc style it makes me cringe.

Stoppage
10-12-2009, 12:48 PM
I dont think you should imitate anyone's style, unless you have the physical capabilities to pull it off. When i see people trying to impersonate Tyson, Jones etc style it makes me cringe.

Without trying to imitate, future boxing greats wouldn't have been made. Look at Sugar Ray Leonard. He copied Ali's style and even trained like him.

Dynamite Kid
10-12-2009, 12:56 PM
Without trying to imitate, future boxing greats wouldn't have been made. Look at Sugar Ray Leonard. He copied Ali's style and even trained like him.

Leonard had the physical gifts though, im all for it if you have the physical gifts but how many people punch like Jackson, Tyson, Rosario, Hamed etc ?

There are big punchers like Riddick Bowe, then there are devastating punchers like Jackson, Tyson, Rosario, Hamed etc.

Stoppage
10-12-2009, 01:08 PM
Leonard had the physical gifts though, im all for it if you have the physical gifts but how many people punch like Jackson, Tyson, Rosario, Hamed etc ?

There are big punchers like Riddick Bowe, then there are devastating punchers like Jackson, Tyson, Rosario, Hamed etc.

While that's true, you can improve your physical abilities in order to adapt to a style.

For example: some boxers were natural punchers but that doesn't mean others can't improve their punch.

'Sugar' Freddi
10-12-2009, 01:11 PM
I think you can improve your punch, but not raise the power behind it. I think you are born a puncher. You can always make it a better punch though, the way it lands and it's accuracy.

Dynamite Kid
10-12-2009, 01:51 PM
While that's true, you can improve your physical abilities in order to adapt to a style.

For example: some boxers were natural punchers but that doesn't mean others can't improve their punch.


I think punchers are born not made, sure you can improve the delivery of your punch but i dont think it makes a considerable! difference.

Punchers can knock you out with glancing blows because they are natural punchers.

Bushidō
10-12-2009, 02:00 PM
Leonard had the physical gifts though, im all for it if you have the physical gifts but how many people punch like Jackson, Tyson, Rosario, Hamed etc ?

There are big punchers like Riddick Bowe, then there are devastating punchers like Jackson, Tyson, Rosario, Hamed etc.

That's the most important thing. If you try to imitate another fighter you better have the natural gifts or you will fail.

'Sugar' Freddi
10-12-2009, 02:37 PM
Has anyone noticed how Louis stood?
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/casey/LOUIS%20CLASSIC.jpg

I think that stance is great expect put the hands a little bit higher but he always created good distance between him and his opponent so I guess it was no problem. He made it very hard for his opponents to land a punch and dodged most of the punches standing like that - leaning on the right side. I think if you lean in one side, it's much easier to dodge the punches and you have a better head movement.

Stoppage
10-12-2009, 04:10 PM
I think punchers are born not made, sure you can improve the delivery of your punch but i dont think it makes a considerable! difference.

Punchers can knock you out with glancing blows because they are natural punchers.

I don't know about that. When I first started boxing, my punch was weak. Today I'm one of the hardest hitters at the gym. My very first amateur bout was a first round knockout.

I agree that a lot of punchers are born but that doesn't mean you can't make a puncher.

Dynamite Kid
10-12-2009, 04:20 PM
I don't know about that. When I first started boxing, my punch was weak. Today I'm one of the hardest hitters at the gym. My very first amateur bout was a first round knockout.

I agree that a lot of punchers are born but that doesn't mean you can't make a puncher.


There are all kinds of variables as to why you might not have been getting maximum power when you first started though, how old were you for a start, how old are you now, how much had been taught at that point.

What flaws did you have iron out to make yourself a better puncher?

'Sugar' Freddi
10-12-2009, 04:21 PM
I don't know about that. When I first started boxing, my punch was weak. Today I'm one of the hardest hitters at the gym. My very first amateur bout was a first round knockout.

I agree that a lot of punchers are born but that doesn't mean you can't make a puncher.

I don't know how you describe 'weak' but if you mean weak like you landed your best shot and it didn't wobble someone, than that's weak.

If you have a weak punch, a punch that can't do any damage, I don't think there's any way to make it stronger. Yes, you can work on making it land more accurately and do more damage but you can't make the punch stronger.

I'm sure Malignaggi tried to make his right hand stronger but he doesn't have much power.

Dynamite Kid
10-12-2009, 04:29 PM
I don't know how you describe 'weak' but if you mean weak like you landed your best shot and it didn't wobble someone, than that's weak.

If you have a weak punch, a punch that can't do any damage, I don't think there's any way to make it stronger. Yes, you can work on making it land more accurately and do more damage but you can't make the punch stronger.

I'm sure Malignaggi tried to make his right hand stronger but he doesn't have much power.


Yeah.

If i had decent/average power i would not try to focus on imitating Mike Tyson's style i would try to incorporate style that focuses on speed/accuracy/angles & making sure i had a good punch output to offset the opponent.

Stoppage
10-12-2009, 04:33 PM
There are all kinds of variables as to why you might not have been getting maximum power when you first started though, how old were you for a start, how old are you now, how much had been taught at that point.

What flaws did you have iron out to make yourself a better puncher?

I was 16 (already went through puberty) when I joined the gym. I was a member there for 8 months. After 8 months (I turned 17), I decided to stop paying and get myself a punching bag that I can use at home. I quit doing pushups, sit-ups and and other activities such as sparring. The only things I did were shadow boxing and using the punching bag.

I would gradually increase my time on the punching bag until a point where my average would be to go half an hour non stop. Take a break and come back later and doing another half an hour. I noticed an amazing increase in power from the time I started to the time I finished.

I joined the gym, again, about 8 months ago and I've had 3 amateur bouts with 3 wins by knockout. I still do the same routine plus other gym work.

Dynamite Kid
10-12-2009, 04:56 PM
I was 16 (already went through puberty) when I joined the gym. I was a member there for 8 months. After 8 months (I turned 17), I decided to stop paying and get myself a punching bag that I can use at home. I quit doing pushups, sit-ups and and other activities such as sparring. The only things I did were shadow boxing and using the punching bag.

I would gradually increase my time on the punching bag until a point where my average would be to go half an hour non stop. Take a break and come back later and doing another half an hour. I noticed an amazing increase in power from the time I started to the time I finished.

I joined the gym, again, about 8 months ago and I've had 3 amateur bouts with 3 wins by knockout. I still do the same routine plus other gym work.

If you have had 3 fights to this point now, then how do you gauge your punching power when apparently you did not compete competitively before, surely you would have to of had fights in that period and not have Ko'ed anyone to know that your power had improved?

What kind of style do you imitate BTW?

Stoppage
10-12-2009, 05:13 PM
If you have had 3 fights to this point now, then how do you gauge your punching power when apparently you did not compete competitively before, surely you would have to of had fights in that period and not have Ko'ed anyone to know that your power had improved?

What kind of style do you imitate BTW?

I did a lot of sparring in the time I was there and my punches weren't effective. After the time I spent with the routines at home and came back to the gym for sparring, my punches had an amazing increase in power.

Also, the heavy bag would react a lot more violently when I would punch it compared to before I started the home routine. So that's pretty much enough proof you need, right there.

Out of the three amateur bouts I've had so far, two were legitimate knockouts while one was stopped by the referee after a lopsided fight that included two knockdowns.

Description of my style: I'm known to dance around my opponent and I have pretty good defense. I also have good accuracy and after wearing my opponents down, I aim to go for the knockout, if possible. It's a really unnatural style to most but I feel it suits me best. I've tried many styles and I sort of took bits and pieces to make what's best for me.

Say what you want about natural born punchers because I believe it could be true. But I certainly earned my punching power through hard work. Not only that but I have great stamina now to go 30 minutes on the heavy bag nonstop.

TheGreatA
10-12-2009, 06:14 PM
Julian Jackson, Felix Trinidad and Thomas Hearns weren't impressive punchers in the amateurs but they seemed to find their punch as they turned pro.

Hearns learned a lot from Manny Steward. Trinidad must have perfected his left hook by throwing it a million times.

Dynamite Kid
10-12-2009, 06:49 PM
I did a lot of sparring in the time I was there and my punches weren't effective. After the time I spent with the routines at home and came back to the gym for sparring, my punches had an amazing increase in power.

Also, the heavy bag would react a lot more violently when I would punch it compared to before I started the home routine. So that's pretty much enough proof you need, right there.

Out of the three amateur bouts I've had so far, two were legitimate knockouts while one was stopped by the referee after a lopsided fight that included two knockdowns.

Description of my style: I'm known to dance around my opponent and I have pretty good defense. I also have good accuracy and after wearing my opponents down, I aim to go for the knockout, if possible. It's a really unnatural style to most but I feel it suits me best. I've tried many styles and I sort of took bits and pieces to make what's best for me.

Say what you want about natural born punchers because I believe it could be true. But I certainly earned my punching power through hard work. Not only that but I have great stamina now to go 30 minutes on the heavy bag nonstop.


Bigger gloves, head gear in sparring ?

You may have developed more strength and felt stronger physically because your developed more muscle?

30 min non stop on a Heavybag? yeah but that is a bit pointless because after 5/10 min you have punched yourself out and your shots dont carry the same power, speed, accuracy and you end up pushing your punches.

Do you have any vids of yourself Boxing?

mickey malone
10-12-2009, 07:01 PM
Julian Jackson, Felix Trinidad and Thomas Hearns weren't impressive punchers in the amateurs but they seemed to find their punch as they turned pro.

Hearns learned a lot from Manny Steward. Trinidad must have perfected his left hook by throwing it a million times.
Especially Hearns.. Can remember him coming to the UK for the annual tournament against the US.. It was about 30 years ago & the 1st time I'd ever layed eyes on him.. It was against 1 of the Gilbody brothers, Ray, I think.. The contest was fought at lightweight!! & a weak looking Hearns took a narrow DC.. You'd never have guessed what he was gonna become!

Stoppage
10-12-2009, 07:30 PM
Bigger gloves, head gear in sparring ?

You may have developed more strength and felt stronger physically because your developed more muscle?

30 min non stop on a Heavybag? yeah but that is a bit pointless because after 5/10 min you have punched yourself out and your shots dont carry the same power, speed, accuracy and you end up pushing your punches.

Do you have any vids of yourself Boxing?

Nope, the same gloves and headgear.

I lost muscles, actually. I was doing weightlifting, on the side, while I was a member of the gym. After I quit, I stopped all weightlifting and just worked on the heavy bag and shadowboxing.

The thing with the heavy bag routine is that I would do it until I couldn't punch anymore. I would keep working on it and eventually developed better stamina to punch longer. I then decided to do 30 minutes at one point and then come back later for another 30 minutes. I don't think it's pointless, really, since I haven't once gotten tired in sparring, yet.

And no I don't have any videos of myself. Even if I did, I wouldn't post them here because of personal reasons.

But I'm not trying to win a debate, here or anything. I'm just saying that I became a great puncher from hard work and training. I'm sure a lot of people can if they put the time into it.

Dynamite Kid
10-12-2009, 07:40 PM
Nope, the same gloves and headgear.

I lost muscles, actually. I was doing weightlifting, on the side, while I was a member of the gym. After I quit, I stopped all weightlifting and just worked on the heavy bag and shadowboxing.

The thing with the heavy bag routine is that I would do it until I couldn't punch anymore. I would keep working on it and eventually developed better stamina to punch longer. I then decided to do 30 minutes at one point and then come back later for another 30 minutes. I don't think it's pointless, really, since I haven't once gotten tired in sparring, yet.

And no I don't have any videos of myself. Even if I did, I wouldn't post them here because of personal reasons.

But I'm not trying to win a debate, here or anything. I'm just saying that I became a great puncher from hard work and training. I'm sure a lot of people can if they put the time into it.


I know your not "trying to win a debate" and im not trying to be argumentative but i am sceptical that you can improve your power that!! much, to a degree yes, but significantly? im not sure.

You know your body though and how you felt so if you feel it did then......

Eric Holder
10-12-2009, 08:08 PM
I dont think you should imitate anyone's style, unless you have the physical capabilities to pull it off. When i see people trying to impersonate Tyson, Jones etc style it makes me cringe.

I don't think anyone should ever try and be an exact replica of any fighter just because of all the variables( physical ability, boxing skills, etc. etc.) but at the same time I think it's ok to pick up a few moves here and there from a fighter that uses a similar style