View Full Version : Do you think Larry Holmes held back on Muhammad Ali when they fought?


Bushidō
10-11-2009, 01:24 PM
Did Holmes not go 100% because he didn't want to damage Ali.

Junito-Rulez
10-11-2009, 01:32 PM
Yes he did, he could have killed if he wanted to. He acted like a gentleman that night.

MANGLER
10-11-2009, 01:34 PM
I thought so. Holmes showed his respect to a faded gr8. If he went full tilt he coulda done damage.

Stoppage
10-11-2009, 02:00 PM
He did and I respect him for doing that. Pure class.

Dynamite Kid
10-11-2009, 02:26 PM
Hell no! that is exactly what i didn't think he did. Holmes said he was holding back but if you actually re-watch that fight he is putting spite into every punch he threw imo. Holmes was defensive fighter anyway, he was never going to swarm Ali even if Ali was on Judah legs because that is not Holmes's style, safety first was Holmes, that probably explains why he relied on the jab more than any other fighter.

bojangles1987
10-11-2009, 08:39 PM
I may not remember exactly, but wasn't Holmes looking at the ref basically wondering why he wasn't stopping it late in the fight?

Bushidō
10-11-2009, 09:26 PM
I forget who said it but someone said Holmes would kill someone in the ring if you let him. But he did seem to hold back on Ali.

Leakbeak
10-12-2009, 06:25 AM
He held back a little, but not too much because he didn't want to take any risks or look like he was not taking it seriously enough. He landed some combos on Ali with some considerable force!

mickey malone
10-12-2009, 08:32 AM
Say what you want about Holmes.. He's a compassionate human being.. He cried uncontrolably after that fight.. YES.. He did hold back, as well as beckon the ref when he could see Ali was defenseless.. He also did the same thing while knocking the crap out of Marvis Frazier, almost as if to say, 'Don't Worry' to his anxious Father in the opposite corner..

Ali was already damaged before the Holmes fight.. He'd already started to slur the odd word and wasn't half as witty.. His physique was hideously soft and toneless, with the once blistering handspeed reduced to flailing arm slaps.. Whoever set him up to fight Berbick (probably King) should have been shot!

Mersey
10-12-2009, 08:36 AM
This fight is still devastating to watch. Too see a man who was so great at one time beat up like that. It's terrible.

Bushidō
10-12-2009, 12:57 PM
Yeah I heard Holmes went to Ali's room after and told him he loved him and then Ali responded with "then Why'd you beat me up so much?"

mickey malone
10-12-2009, 04:04 PM
Yeah I heard Holmes went to Ali's room after and told him he loved him and then Ali responded with "then Why'd you beat me up so much?"
That's 100% true, but he'd have been in intensive care, had it been a prime Tyson or Dempsey..

Bsquared
10-12-2009, 04:06 PM
He did not give his all but did just enough for Ali's corner to throw in the towel.

freudianfloyd
10-12-2009, 08:10 PM
I thought I read somewhere that Holmes was trying to knock Ali out quickly, so as not to prolong the punishment. I don't know, it's been awhile since I have seen the fight, and I hate watching it almost as much as Jones Jr. vs. Tarver 2.