Don't dismiss right away, and think about it.

What you should do is find some hard gum, or special rubber and chew it for select hours a day. The harder the object to chew the stronger your jaw will become. Movement from inside your mouth against tough objects will strengthen it.

A theory that I liked to share.

Don't dismiss right away, and think about it.

What you should do is find some hard gum, or special rubber and chew it for select hours a day. The harder the object to chew the stronger your jaw will become. Movement from inside your mouth against tough objects will strengthen it.

A theory that I liked to share.

Actually thats probably the biggest misconception...many believe that its the chin itself, but its more the neck than anything, Fighters are usually knocked out not becuz of the impact on the chin, but the force in which the head is jerked causing temporary unconsciousness or loss of equilibrium...its all about keeping the chin down and having strong neck control, like Mercer.

Actually thats probably the biggest misconception...many believe that its the chin itself, but its more the neck than anything, Fighters are usually knocked out not becuz of the impact on the chin, but the force in which the head is jerked causing temporary unconsciousness or loss of equilibrium...its all about keeping the chin down and having strong neck control, like Mercer.


mercer got short neck but iron chin, he took a lot of good shoot from lennox.

Yeah, I think it's just more so the equilibrium being stirred up more than anything. No matter how big your neck is. Just look at Gatti, his neck is huge(for his weight class), and a punch easily rocks him. I don't think it has to do with the chin or the neck at all really. Chin is just an easy way of explaining it to the simple boxing buffs I guess. Ewww he has a granite chin! Ewww, a glass chin, he can't take a punch! Simple as that.

What I was saying about having a strong neck is basically being able to prevent the head from rapid jerks, not necessarily just having a big neck.

Yeah, I think it's just more so the equilibrium being stirred up more than anything. No matter how big your neck is. Just look at Gatti, his neck is huge(for his weight class), and a punch easily rocks him. I don't think it has to do with the chin or the neck at all really. Chin is just an easy way of explaining it to the simple boxing buffs I guess. Ewww he has a granite chin! Ewww, a glass chin, he can't take a punch! Simple as that.

no its the neck beacuse when head is jerked it causing temporary unconsciousnessor maybe its 50% chin and 50% heart, you cant only got a good chin you need heart too. :rolleyes:

What I was saying about having a strong neck is basically being able to prevent the head from rapid jerks, not necessarily just having a big neck.
This is true.

What I was saying about having a strong neck is basically being able to prevent the head from rapid jerks, not necessarily just having a big neck.

this make sence,i think you notice this when you watch fights, do you know who got the strongest neck?, or you think got the strongest. ali got a great chin but did he got a strong neck? :confused:

this make sence,i think you notice this when you watch fights, do you know who got the strongest neck?, or you think got the strongest. ali got a great chin but did he got a strong neck? :confused:
Actually Ali may have been the epitome of what i'm talking about when i say it takes a strong neck and head control...Notice how he was able to take Frazier, Shavers, Quarry and Foreman's punches and still be able to tell them how soft they punch afterwards...simply becuz he prevented his head from jerking around most of the time, with the exception of that one Frazier hook which visibly proved my theory that it isnt the chin alone becuz Ali's eyes rolled back.........right now though i'd say examples of this neck/head control is Ray Mercer and James Toney, people wonder y they were never visibly hurt ever in pro fights, i believe its becuz they simply dont let their head bounce around.

Actually Ali may have been the epitome of what i'm talking about when i say it takes a strong neck and head control...Notice how he was able to take Frazier, Shavers, Quarry and Foreman's punches and still be able to tell them how soft they punch afterwards...simply becuz he prevented his head from jerking around most of the time, with the exception of that one Frazier hook which visibly proved my theory that it isnt the chin alone becuz Ali's eyes rolled back.........right now though i'd say examples of this neck/head control is Ray Mercer and James Toney, people wonder y they were never visibly hurt ever in pro fights, i believe its becuz they simply dont let their head bounce around.

yeah so what is it, you need to got to could take a punch?.
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The strenght of a fighters neck will play in how well a fighter accepts blows with out being knocked out or stunned, but it is not a great factor in the equation. In Gattis case, I believe that his dehydration process of lossing weight affects how well he takes shots. The brain is surrounded in the skull by a thin layer of fluid which absorbs some of the impact of the blow before the brain collides with the skull. Gatti, having dried out for so long to make weight, most likely has depleated this fluid to some degree causing the "shock absorber" to dry out as well. Thus his brain collides greater with the skull.

The hook or cross to the jaw area produces rapid twisting of the brain, which results in bleeding and wide spread trauma to fibrouse tissue, from white matter to the base of the brain.

The straight punch or heavy jab snaps the head backward, which produces tears in the cerebellum and damage to the brain stem.

The downward blow to the side of the face and neck compresses the main artery to the brain and therefore stops the flow of blood to the brain.

The head landing against the canvas or ropes thrusts the brain against the skull, which causes tears to the front sides of the brain.

Inside of our skulls, on the back side of the skull, is a boney ridge called the sphenoidal ridge. This ridge causes tears in the frontal lobes which are ultimately damaging. That is why rabbit punching is against the rules.

The neck comes into play with the punches in the fact that if one was to take a straight blow but had a strong neck, the neck would not give as much thus leaving less damage to the brain stem.

With hooks and crosses it has a similar effect of making the twisting of the neck and head less, therefore reducing, but not eliminating the twisting of the brain.

If you are struck in the back of the head there is nothing to reduce the effects. The spenodial ridge is going to tear directly into the brain. With the straight punches the brain will first bounce against the front of the skull and then rebound into the sphenodial ridge, still tearing into the brain but not as severe as the rabbit punch.

As well, taking a shot between the chin and the point of the jaw is damaging but is considered the cleanest sort of knock out. Temporarily shuting off consciousness or motor impulses.....Rockin'

I think those direct punches to the jaw produce more pain than anything..It's when the head is rocked when true knockouts occur.

A few fights to refer to:

Golota's first knockdown of Riddick Bowe, you'll notice that the punch wasnt all that hard or accurate, it landed around the hairline/scalp area...but the head jerk caused Bowe's legs to become unstable and he went to the ground.

Moorer's knockdown of Jirov, you'll notice how it was a well placed basic right hand that caused that head jerk and Jirov's legs became unsteady and he fell to the ground.

Are you speaking from experience or from theory?..Rockin'

Are you speaking from experience or from theory?..Rockin'

Actually from experience as well as observances...Although i'm not a registered boxer at the current moment, I have boxed and fought so I know my personal acceptances to punches and where they are placed..............Do I sound farfetched or somethin to u?, Lemme know..........REPREZENTIN'

PS: Would u happen to be Rodney Moore?

Rodney Moore sounds familiar, was he out of Detroit?

The shots to the front, but more so to the side, of the head cause ones equalibrium to go and they will fold and lean to all different directions. Thats why Bowes knees buckled.

The shots directly to the chin will cut off your motor impulses and make you see what I call the white. The white haze that takes over your vision. The shots to the chin are the cleanest knockouts in boxing. If you see the shot coming your body seems to set for the shot therefore not neccesarily dropping you, but you will see the white. Its the ones that you dont see coming, ala the uppercuts, that will drop you quickest and hardest.

No, what you said does not sound far fetched but it was alittle off in accuracy to me.

How many fights have you had and how many years have you been fighting?..........Rockin'

Rodney Moore sounds familiar, was he out of Detroit?

The shots to the front, but more so to the side, of the head cause ones equalibrium to go and they will fold and lean to all different directions. Thats why Bowes knees buckled.

The shots directly to the chin will cut off your motor impulses and make you see what I call the white. The white haze that takes over your vision. The shots to the chin are the cleanest knockouts in boxing. If you see the shot coming your body seems to set for the shot therefore not neccesarily dropping you, but you will see the white. Its the ones that you dont see coming, ala the uppercuts, that will drop you quickest and hardest.

No, what you said does not sound far fetched but it was alittle off in accuracy to me.

How many fights have you had and how many years have you been fighting?..........Rockin'

No doubt the ones on the chin will cause u to see the "white" mainly becuz the chin is like the focal point of the movement of the head...kinda like the handle, a shot to the chin will cause the head to jar more than any other place...The ones on the jaw usually cause more pain than any real "white" visions..........I never fought on paper, but I been into boxing for about 5 or 6 years now, I plan on finally getting registered very very soon, at about the 155 amateur class...I walk around at about 162 and i figure after training and gaining the mass that will come from boxing training as well as losing the undesirable water weight i'll be just right at 155.

Oh, and Rodney fought out of Philly.

once you get into the fighting part of it with the 10oz gloves you will know what Im talking about with seeing the white haze. Then if you ever fight with the 8oz pro gloves you will know exactly what I am talking about.........Rockin'

once you get into the fighting part of it with the 10oz gloves you will know what Im talking about with seeing the white haze. Then if you ever fight with the 8oz pro gloves you will know exactly what I am talking about.........Rockin'
I'll try to avoid that.

I thought that you said you were going to register which would mean that you were going to fight. At your weight class you will wear 10oz gloves. If your going to fight you will not be able to avoid it forever. Even in the fights that you win you will get your lumps..............Rockin'

Just something to add here. If your perfect weight is 155 I would suggest either losing 3 more pounds or gaining 10...........Rockin'

If you have a bad chin, you're screwed...simple as that.
But you can modify your style to bring out the best in your strengths and hide your weaknesses.

If you got a weak chin, don't get hit hard...watch out for the big ones.

I thought that you said you were going to register which would mean that you were going to fight. At your weight class you will wear 10oz gloves. If your going to fight you will not be able to avoid it forever. Even in the fights that you win you will get your lumps..............Rockin'
I know, I was jus saying im gonna try to avoid getting stunned, like its not something im gonna shoot for.

Look at a Volkswagen Beetle. They are designed round, and can take a hit better than cars equal their size. Look at Evander Holyfield's head. It is big, and round. You have to hit him with a sledgehammer to hurt him. Its all about how you are built. Strong neck, yes you can improve that. You cant change physics though.

If you have a bad chin, you're screwed...simple as that.
But you can modify your style to bring out the best in your strengths and hide your weaknesses.

If you got a weak chin, don't get hit hard...watch out for the big ones.


Yeah, but Im thinking of that way to improve your chin. Besides your chin is basically your jaw, by strengthening your jaw you will be able perhaps to absorb a shot better.

Look at a Volkswagen Beetle. They are designed round, and can take a hit better than cars equal their size. Look at Evander Holyfield's head. It is big, and round. You have to hit him with a sledgehammer to hurt him. Its all about how you are built. Strong neck, yes you can improve that. You cant change physics though.Holyfield is not a tough a chin as you all seem to think. Ruiz damn near knocked him out with 1 punch-I ain't seen Ruiz in any of the biggest punches threads. There are more examples of Holyfields chin not being as good, but I can't be bothered to type it all out. Some fool on this forum once said that the only reason that Bowe stopped him was because he was exausted,.........don't talk ****, Bowe stopped him because he rattled his brain!!! Exausted, yeah right!!! As if. Later brother brologs.

Holyfield is not a tough a chin as you all seem to think. Ruiz damn near knocked him out with 1 punch-I ain't seen Ruiz in any of the biggest punches threads. There are more examples of Holyfields chin not being as good, but I can't be bothered to type it all out. Some fool on this forum once said that the only reason that Bowe stopped him was because he was exausted,.........don't talk ****, Bowe stopped him because he rattled his brain!!! Exausted, yeah right!!! As if. Later brother brologs.

tell me more?, he did was little exarusted but bowe own him. what you mean rattled his brain?, and expose why his chin is not as good good as many think.

tell me more?, he did was little exarusted but bowe own him. what you mean rattled his brain?, and expose why his chin is not as good good as many think.If holyfield get hitted with a punch he don't see then he go down. The people always tell Tucker that his chin be better than Tysons- BULL****! Tyson have the big strong kneck like Holy does. Now when Tyson fight Douglas he get his head snapped back quite a lot by big punches. Listen up.........that means to snap the big kneck of Tysons like that he be getting hit extreemly hard. Holy gets hit by punches like that he go down.Holy never take big punches from Lewis and Rudduck like tyson did. Do you think that punch from Ruiz would have done the same thing to Tyson.......get real. You only knock Tyson out by putting a sustained beating on him. They are both way past there primes now and probably don't take the punches as good as they used to so what ever happens in the future won't count for nothing. Later brother brologs.