all you guys who bash MMA saying the fighters are bums, it is sloppy striking with dry humping etc, what is it that you don't like about MMA?

Is it that you think the level of athletes in it are sub par (bums as you like to call them)? and if it had better athletes you would respect it more and actually be enclined to watch it?

Or do you just think the sport itself is crap? you don't like the concept of it.

edit: I don't agree with any of these statements, I think the top fighters are great athletes and I KNOW it is not pure "dry humping" since I have actually watched more than 5 fights in my life and know that on the whole the time spent on the feet and on the ground are probably about 50/10 and when it does go to the ground I actually know what jiu jitsu is.

all you guys who bash MMA saying the fighters are bums, it is sloppy striking with dry humping etc, what is it that you don't like about MMA?

Is it that you think the level of athletes in it are sub par (bums as you like to call them)? and if it had better athletes you would respect it more and actually be enclined to watch it?

Or do you just think the sport itself is crap? you don't like the concept of it.

edit: I don't agree with any of these statements, I think the top fighters are great athletes and I KNOW it is not pure "dry humping" since I have actually watched more than 5 fights in my life and know that on the whole the time spent on the feet and on the ground are probably about 50/10 and when it does go to the ground I actually know what jiu jitsu is.

2 things

meathead following, fans automatically think they are the best fighters in the world because Dana White says so.

Terrible stamina due to excessive weight lifting.

mostly the meathead following. If MMA was marketed as a sport with class, that had athletes that all took it seriously and offered respect to other sports, I'd have no problem with it.

It's when people say fat slugs like Tim Sylvia will take out legends like Mike Tyson or Ali.

I realize a strict ground fighter has a significant advantage over a standup fighter, but only 30% of MMA fighters these days are actual ground fighters (they know a bit but they chose to stand).

I realize in a 1v1 scenario a great ground fighter is probably going to come out on top against most strikers. However, not all MMA fighters will. The Majority of MMA fighters are downright terrible at stand up and get overrated massively. Even a guy like A. Silva who everyone thinks has boxing skills in MMA, get's his ass kicked by nobodies at the wildcard gym.

I just like to annoy the fans.

2 things

meathead following, fans automatically think they are the best fighters in the world because Dana White says so.

Terrible stamina due to excessive weight lifting.

mostly the meathead following. If MMA was marketed as a sport with class, that had athletes that all took it seriously and offered respect to other sports, I'd have no problem with it.

It's when people say fat slugs like Tim Sylvia will take out legends like Mike Tyson or Ali.

I realize a strict ground fighter has a significant advantage over a standup fighter, but only 30% of MMA fighters these days are actual ground fighters (they know a bit but they chose to stand).

I realize in a 1v1 scenario a great ground fighter is probably going to come out on top against most strikers. However, not all MMA fighters will. The Majority of MMA fighters are downright terrible at stand up and get overrated massively. Even a guy like A. Silva who everyone thinks has boxing skills in MMA, get's his ass kicked by nobodies at the wildcard gym.

Although MMA has a "meathead" following, they also have a huge "nerd" and "diehard" following. Have you been to sherdog.net? It's an MMA forum that puts this forum to shame traffic wise. Most of the people that post on that forum are nerds which is obviously the opposite of Meatheads.

Also, most fighters in the top orgs have good stanima. Do you know who Georges St. Pierre is? Or Josh Koscheck? Or Tyson Griffin? Or Tito Ortiz? All have excellent stanima. I could go on with hundereds of other fighters as well. Most of the ****ty stanima fighters are in the HW classes, which same goes with boxing.

Saying MMA isn't a sport is a very ignorant thing to say. Top level fighters train like it's a full time job. They train just as hard if not harder than boxers. Obviously, Mixed Martial Artists are not going to have the stand up skills a pure boxer or pure Muay Thai fighter have, because they have 3-4 other things to train instead of just one aspect of fighting.

This argument can go on forever. It's apples and oranges. I love MMA, and I like boxing. IMO, MMA is a lot more skilled than boxing. some people agree or disagree, and that's fine.

Regardless of the standup skills in mma, there are world champions and Olympic medalists in wrestling, jiu-jitsu, sambo, and judo competing in mma. How can anyone argue these people aren't skilled athletes? Multiple bjj world champion Bibiano Fernandes submitted Greco-Roman world champion Joe Warren in a recent bout. Athletes like this competing give the sport credibility.

Regardless of the standup skills in mma, there are world champions and Olympic medalists in wrestling, jiu-jitsu, sambo, and judo competing in mma. How can anyone argue these people aren't skilled athletes? Multiple bjj world champion Bibiano Fernandes submitted Greco-Roman world champion Joe Warren in a recent bout. Athletes like this competing give the sport credibility.

BJJ and wrestling aren't sports, they're dry humping apparently

2 things

meathead following, fans automatically think they are the best fighters in the world because Dana White says so.

Terrible stamina due to excessive weight lifting.

mostly the meathead following. If MMA was marketed as a sport with class, that had athletes that all took it seriously and offered respect to other sports, I'd have no problem with it.

It's when people say fat slugs like Tim Sylvia will take out legends like Mike Tyson or Ali.

I realize a strict ground fighter has a significant advantage over a standup fighter, but only 30% of MMA fighters these days are actual ground fighters (they know a bit but they chose to stand).

I realize in a 1v1 scenario a great ground fighter is probably going to come out on top against most strikers. However, not all MMA fighters will. The Majority of MMA fighters are downright terrible at stand up and get overrated massively. Even a guy like A. Silva who everyone thinks has boxing skills in MMA, get's his ass kicked by nobodies at the wildcard gym.

terrible stamina??? try going 5 five minute rounds wrestling/boxing ext....
it takes a lot of stamina just to do 3 rounds

meathead following.....yes its annoying but every sport has its meatheads including boxing. ive been to several mma events and i know what your talking about but that goes along with most contact sports.

no one in this mma forum has ever said silvia could beat tyson. at least not to my knowledge. and if they did they are a complete fool. we all know tyson would win in a boxing match and would probably win in an mma fight cause silvia ant that great.

also, as far as i can see, most mma athletes take the sport seriously and have plenty of class. sure there are some that have no class but again, that happens with every sport

Let's be honest, they don't bash the sport because they think the athletes are sub par or crappy strikers. They're die hard boxing fans who are pissed coz MMA took over the no.1 combat sport spot.

The meathead fan thing? The only reason guys here ever say an MMA fighter can beat a boxer is because some douche comes in bashing the sport saying boxers are better athletes, so of course they're going to defend MMA. And the audiences at events are far from meatheads. Sure you're gonna get the usually dumbass just looking for violence but you get that at every combat sport event. The hardcore fans will watch the fights and study every move, watch a Japanese event, those guys barely say a word during fights.

And someone said terrible stamina?...I dont really need to reply coz thats ridiculous lol. Oh and If an MMA fighter stood with a top boxer he'd lose, badly! If a boxer tried to fight an MMA guy with any ground game he has no hope. It's obvious

Have you been to sherdog.net? It's an MMA forum that puts this forum to shame traffic wise.



:thinkerg:
yes... because this is boxingscene.com

Both sports are great!!! But the only boxing events i will watch next is Cotto-Pacman and maybe Haye vs the giant. BUt i will try to catch every UFC ppv....hehe

Personally ; it's the meatheads.

I think the striking is garbage, and the ground game is boring from all I've seen on TV. But I really don't care about any of that because I'm not watching it.

What bothers me is the meathead following it has.

These guys are classic douchebags in every sense of the word, and they go out of their way to talk **** about boxing all over the internet ; I can't even get on youtube to watch a boxing video these days without scrolling down to see comments left by meatheads about how MMA guys would "destroy" boxers, and how MMA guys are "real fighters" and boxers aren't.

That's the **** that bothers me most.

I don't see many boxing fans going out of their way to **** on MMA. Maybe it happens on this site quite a bit, but you gotta remember ; this is boxingscene.com ; so you're naturally going to have more diehard boxing fans here than MMA fans.

I got no problem with the sport, it's just not my bag, and it never will be. Apples and oranges.

What I've got a problem with is roided up, muscleheaded, "alpha male", middle class, white guys telling me that my sport sucks everytime I turn around.

Although MMA has a "meathead" following, they also have a huge "nerd" and "diehard" following. Have you been to sherdog.net? It's an MMA forum that puts this forum to shame traffic wise. Most of the people that post on that forum are nerds which is obviously the opposite of Meatheads.

Also, most fighters in the top orgs have good stanima. Do you know who Georges St. Pierre is? Or Josh Koscheck? Or Tyson Griffin? Or Tito Ortiz? All have excellent stanima. I could go on with hundereds of other fighters as well. Most of the ****ty stanima fighters are in the HW classes, which same goes with boxing.

Saying MMA isn't a sport is a very ignorant thing to say. Top level fighters train like it's a full time job. They train just as hard if not harder than boxers. Obviously, Mixed Martial Artists are not going to have the stand up skills a pure boxer or pure Muay Thai fighter have, because they have 3-4 other things to train instead of just one aspect of fighting.

This argument can go on forever. It's apples and oranges. I love MMA, and I like boxing. IMO, MMA is a lot more skilled than boxing. some people agree or disagree, and that's fine.

You had me until that last quote.

The biggest difference between Boxing and MMA is that Boxing is more refined in it's skill.....

Don't know if you understand that but let me give you and example so you can get what I'm saying.

Let's say you are a musician. You like to "dabble" in 4 or 5 different instruments. You play the guitar, piano, Sax, Drums and Bass.

Then there's a person who only plays the paino.

You can do all of these things but will never play the piano as well as the person who only dedicates himself to that one thing.. Because that's all they do.

It's like in MMA, it's great to watch because you can see all types of fighting styles but to the hardcore boxer, it's lack of refined skill with the hands leads people to get turned off by the simplicity of it even though there are more aspects to it.......if you get that.

For me, watching two chamion skilled boxers is like listening to Mozart or Beethoven.

Watching two champion MMA fighters is like watching the most savage aspect of human nature.

But Mozart was master of all instruments.

You had me until that last quote.

The biggest difference between Boxing and MMA is that Boxing is more refined in it's skill.....

Don't know if you understand that but let me give you and example so you can get what I'm saying.

Let's say you are a musician. You like to "dabble" in 4 or 5 different instruments. You play the guitar, piano, Sax, Drums and Bass.

Then there's a person who only plays the paino.

You can do all of these things but will never play the piano as well as the person who only dedicates himself to that one thing.. Because that's all they do.

It's like in MMA, it's great to watch because you can see all types of fighting styles but to the hardcore boxer, it's lack of refined skill with the hands leads people to get turned off by the simplicity of it even though there are more aspects to it.......if you get that.

For me, watching two chamion skilled boxers is like listening to Mozart or Beethoven.

Watching two champion MMA fighters is like watching the most savage aspect of human nature.

I agree and disagree at the same time.

You can play great Guitar and Piano, opposed to a guy who dedicates all of his time to just Piano. You're not going to be on his level of Piano, but you will be equally good at both - It's a trade off, it seems pretty even.

You play video games? It's kind of like if you get nine stats.

For the boxer, it would look something like this

Boxing |||||||
Kickboxing |
Grappling |

For the Mixed Martial Artist, it would look something like this

Boxing |||
Kickboxing |||
Grappling |||


(By the way, this is the ideal setting. Not every Mixed Martial Artist is going to be completely well rounded, just like every boxer isn't going to have the greatest boxing skills)

In the ideal situation, they would both have an even amount of skill - Just applied in different areas.

I am not a MMA hater, but, it's really hard on my eyes watching the MMA fighters strike. It is downright sh*tty!!

And on the ground, well, eventhough most MMAers come from a grappling background, most of 'em are sh*tty with BJJ. That's why you see most guys attempt the same move everytime, it's like that's the only move they know and if that one particular move doesn't work, then they just hug each other to death, lmao

I do have my favorite MMAers though, I loved Royce Gracie, Bas Rutten, Sakuraba, Kid Yamamoto, Urijah Faber, Matt Hughes, GSP, Anderson Silva, and Rampage.

Personally ; it's the meatheads.

I think the striking is garbage, and the ground game is boring from all I've seen on TV. But I really don't care about any of that because I'm not watching it.

What bothers me is the meathead following it has.

These guys are classic douchebags in every sense of the word, and they go out of their way to talk **** about boxing all over the internet ; I can't even get on youtube to watch a boxing video these days without scrolling down to see comments left by meatheads about how MMA guys would "destroy" boxers, and how MMA guys are "real fighters" and boxers aren't.

That's the **** that bothers me most.

I don't see many boxing fans going out of their way to **** on MMA. Maybe it happens on this site quite a bit, but you gotta remember ; this is boxingscene.com ; so you're naturally going to have more diehard boxing fans here than MMA fans.

I got no problem with the sport, it's just not my bag, and it never will be. Apples and oranges.

What I've got a problem with is roided up, muscleheaded, "alpha male", middle class, white guys telling me that my sport sucks everytime I turn around.

This is the exact thing that i dont like about mma. I have no problem with mma , without its success now we probably wouldnt have so many great boxing matches coming (super six tourney) . I dont have strong feeling for or against it .What i hate though are the mma fans who chant " boxing is dead , OMG i fkin luv UFC!!!!!1111111111 YEAH!!111" like it's a religious mantra . I also dont care for Dana White who claims to like boxing but never misses a chance to **** on it.

Personally ; it's the meatheads.

I think the striking is garbage, and the ground game is boring from all I've seen on TV. But I really don't care about any of that because I'm not watching it.

What bothers me is the meathead following it has.

These guys are classic douchebags in every sense of the word, and they go out of their way to talk **** about boxing all over the internet ; I can't even get on youtube to watch a boxing video these days without scrolling down to see comments left by meatheads about how MMA guys would "destroy" boxers, and how MMA guys are "real fighters" and boxers aren't.

That's the **** that bothers me most.


As if boxing doesn't have its share of meatheads, lmao. What do you think cholos are? There have been far more thuggery that has gone on in boxing than in MMA. The worst one was when Bowe-Golota fought, the whole MSG was in a brawl and the riot police had to come in. F**k, when was the last time you saw two camps fight each other in the octagon?

Remember Roger Mayweather and Yoel Judah? F**k, when was the last time you saw two camps fight each other in the octagon? Not in recent times.

There's more examples of thuggish behavior in boxing than MMA. Either way, both sports objective is to commit violence on another human being and it's gonna attract that kind of crowd!

Meatheads in MMA, Thugs in boxing = same difference !!

This is the exact thing that i dont like about mma. I have no problem with mma , without its success now we probably wouldnt have so many great boxing matches coming (super six tourney) . I dont have strong feeling for or against it .What i hate though are the mma fans who chant " boxing is dead , OMG i fkin luv UFC!!!!!1111111111 YEAH!!111" like it's a religious mantra . I also dont care for Dana White who claims to like boxing but never misses a chance to **** on it.

Not to mention the way everytime they say boxing is dead, and then boxing outsells them (Mayweather/Marquez), most of them never acknowledge it.

That's another minor annoyance of mine.

As if boxing doesn't have its share of meatheads, lmao. What do you think cholos are? There have been far more thuggery that has gone on in boxing than in MMA. The worst one was when Bowe-Golota fought, the whole MSG was in a brawl and the riot police had to come in. F**k, when was the last time you saw two camps fight each other in the octagon?

Remember Roger Mayweather and Yoel Judah? F**k, when was the last time you saw two camps fight each other in the octagon? Not in recent times.

There's more examples of thuggish behavior in boxing than MMA. Either way, both sports objective is to commit violence on another human being and it's gonna attract that kind of crowd!

Meatheads in MMA, Thugs in boxing = same difference !!

Wanne be thugs and meatheads are not even close to the same thing.

Both are equally horrible in their own right, though.

You're bringing up freak incidents in boxing's centuries long history that involved fans or trainers acting like morons and trying to use that as an example of "thugs" or "hoodlums" in boxing.

What about all the fights there have been in the crowd at UFC events?

I forget the name of the video, but look up UFC crowd fights on youtube and I'm sure you'll find the video ; in it, there's a man attacking a defenseless woman before security intervenes.

And plenty other examples of MMA "thugs" who fight each other in the crowds.

But that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about meatheads ; guys like this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/KidNotorious/MMA/454fcb1934a57460582101.gif

Boxing typically draws a much more upscale crowd than the UFC or MMA in general does.

Why?

Tickets cost a ****load more, and the types of people who act like this meathead above can't afford them.

Trust me guys...we ain't loving the meatheads either...you know how annoying it is to hear "You wanna UFC?" everytime a bunch of tools decide to swing...


But other than that eh, the striking...you're not gonna see guys who have boxing skills like a Pacquiao or Mayweather. But there are a lot of very good strikers such as Anderson Silva, GSP, Cro Cop, KAwajiri, BJ Penn, Miguel Torres, Jose Aldo, Cheick Kongo, Mizuto Hirota, and so on. Overall striking there are a lot of very talented guys, but if you wanna talk hands...yes, you will not find anyone with skills like a top tier boxer.

Trust me guys...we ain't loving the meatheads either...you know how annoying it is to hear "You wanna UFC?" everytime a bunch of tools decide to swing...


But other than that eh, the striking...you're not gonna see guys who have boxing skills like a Pacquiao or Mayweather. But there are a lot of very good strikers such as Anderson Silva, GSP, Cro Cop, KAwajiri, BJ Penn, Miguel Torres, Jose Aldo, Cheick Kongo, Mizuto Hirota, and so on. Overall striking there are a lot of very talented guys, but if you wanna talk hands...yes, you will not find anyone with skills like a top tier boxer.

I can understand that. And I know there are plenty of intelligent MMA fans out there.

The cross training really doesn't allow for an MMA guy to be as good with his hands as a pro boxer. BJ Penn has solid hands, though. I saw him on ****e TV a few times and watched his stuff.

I try not to talk **** about it, because I respect the athletes in MMA. I just grew up on guys like Roy Jones Jr, Bernard Hopkins, and Pernell Whitaker ; so that's the main reason I'm a boxing guy. I took to boxing at a very early age, and it has a special place in my heart.

Sometimes though I just cant help but get aggravated at the MMA meatheads because everytime I want to watch a boxing match on youtube I always see **** like "(insert MMA guy here) would kill this guy", "MMA killed boxing", or "Boxing is a sport, MMA is a real fight", etc....

That second one really annoys me, because MMA is equally a sport as much as boxing, because they have rules in place to prevent things from getting out of control, just like boxing does. :lol1:

I'm sure you guys get sick of the boxing purists taking cheap shots by calling the MMA guys "homosexuals" because of the ground game, as well. Like Bob Arum did.

mma is gay

Lastly ; one final thing that really annoys me that the MMA meatheads say is that a boxer would stand no chance in a street fight with an MMA guy.

A statement like that is ignorant on so many levels, that it baffles my brain.

Anybody who's ever been in more than one or two street fights in their life can tell you that a street fight is a very unpredictable event.

Literally anything can happen, and to assume right off the bat that the boxer stands no chance because he would get taken down immediately is just stupid, to me because like I said ; anything can happen in a fight.

And if a boxer connects with no gloves on, in a street fighting scenario ; you're going to have to have one hell of a chin to stand up to that.

The whole "beef" is annoying to me, really.

I wish we could gather up all the people who participate in it, and fan the flames, and just execute them firing squad style.

I can understand that. And I know there are plenty of intelligent MMA fans out there.

The cross training really doesn't allow for an MMA guy to be as good with his hands as a pro boxer. BJ Penn has solid hands, though. I saw him on ****e TV a few times and watched his stuff.

I try not to talk **** about it, because I respect the athletes in MMA. I just grew up on guys like Roy Jones Jr, Bernard Hopkins, and Pernell Whitaker ; so that's the main reason I'm a boxing guy. I took to boxing at a very early age, and it has a special place in my heart.

Sometimes though I just cant help but get aggravated at the MMA meatheads because everytime I want to watch a boxing match on youtube I always see **** like "(insert MMA guy here) would kill this guy", "MMA killed boxing", or "Boxing is a sport, MMA is a real fight", etc....

That second one really annoys me, because MMA is equally a sport as much as boxing, because they have rules in place to prevent things from getting out of control, just like boxing does. :lol1:

I'm sure you guys get sick of the boxing purists taking cheap shots by calling the MMA guys "homosexuals" because of the ground game, as well. Like Bob Arum did.

i feel ya man. The ****ing meatheads annoy the **** outta me. I was at one of our local shows watching one of the guys at the gym fight his first pro fight, and this tool behind me was all "oh man! If that i was me i woulda knocked him out by now! I woulda ****ing knocked him out by now!!!!"...it really annoys the hell outta me. But yeah, on both sides, it gets real annoying and folks both MMA and Boxing extremists getting you into a position where you gotta pick sides. It's ridiculous. Can't seem to have an discussion about MMA or boxing with either ne before they rip on you for liking the other sport...it's ridiculous.

i feel ya man. The ****ing meatheads annoy the **** outta me. I was at one of our local shows watching one of the guys at the gym fight his first pro fight, and this tool behind me was all "oh man! If that i was me i woulda knocked him out by now! I woulda ****ing knocked him out by now!!!!"...it really annoys the hell outta me. But yeah, on both sides, it gets real annoying and folks both MMA and Boxing extremists getting you into a position where you gotta pick sides. It's ridiculous. Can't seem to have an discussion about MMA or boxing with either ne before they rip on you for liking the other sport...it's ridiculous.

and I bet that 90% of the "boxing or MMA fanboys" who actually rip on either sport have never set foot in a boxing ring or MMA ring/cage to fight and will never have the balls to do so.

all you guys who bash MMA saying the fighters are bums, it is sloppy striking with dry humping etc, what is it that you don't like about MMA?

Is it that you think the level of athletes in it are sub par (bums as you like to call them)? and if it had better athletes you would respect it more and actually be enclined to watch it?

Or do you just think the sport itself is crap? you don't like the concept of it.

edit: I don't agree with any of these statements, I think the top fighters are great athletes and I KNOW it is not pure "dry humping" since I have actually watched more than 5 fights in my life and know that on the whole the time spent on the feet and on the ground are probably about 50/10 and when it does go to the ground I actually know what jiu jitsu is.

For me its the gay skinhead fans who think that MMA is so much better than boxing etc etc.

I actually dont mind MMA, i dont watch it religiously or anything but if im channel surfing and i stumble across TUF or something i will watch and enjoy it.

And like the bringer said, the whole unblockable takedown thing is just stupid.

Personally ; it's the meatheads.

Every sport has their share of meathead fans. EVERY SPORT. Not just combat sports.



What bothers me is the meathead following it has.

These guys are classic douchebags in every sense of the word, and they go out of their way to talk **** about boxing all over the internet ; I can't even get on youtube to watch a boxing video these days without scrolling down to see comments left by meatheads about how MMA guys would "destroy" boxers, and how MMA guys are "real fighters" and boxers aren't.

That's the **** that bothers me most.

I don't see many boxing fans going out of their way to **** on MMA. Maybe it happens on this site quite a bit, but you gotta remember ; this is boxingscene.com ; so you're naturally going to have more diehard boxing fans here than MMA fans.

This is ridiculous. How you can make a statement like that when 99% of this forum takes random shots at MMA for No reason and with no provocation at all. How many times has a member of this forum posted a thread taking **** on Boxing? Enough that I can probably count on one finger. Every week in this section we get at least 4 threads and countless post consisting of MMA bashing or simply the played out phrase "mmgay"

Stop being hypocritical because if there are any meatheads or ignorant people on these boards, it's boxing fans.



What I've got a problem with is roided up, muscleheaded, "alpha male", middle class, white guys telling me that my sport sucks everytime I turn around.

Again, the times that people take a **** on MMA heavily outweigh the time that MMA fans take a **** on boxing. Most if not all the MMA fans I know are actually still fans of boxing and were before they were fans of MMA.

mma is gay

Classy Move. The_Bringer, you can use this statement as a bluebrint for the apparent meathead, ingnorant "classy" (sarcasm) fans that make up todays boxing fan base.

Lastly ; one final thing that really annoys me that the MMA meatheads say is that a boxer would stand no chance in a street fight with an MMA guy.

A statement like that is ignorant on so many levels, that it baffles my brain.

Anybody who's ever been in more than one or two street fights in their life can tell you that a street fight is a very unpredictable event.

Literally anything can happen, and to assume right off the bat that the boxer stands no chance because he would get taken down immediately is just stupid, to me because like I said ; anything can happen in a fight.

And if a boxer connects with no gloves on, in a street fighting scenario ; you're going to have to have one hell of a chin to stand up to that.


You pretty much just owned yourself here. Street fights are unpredictable, but a person that has knowledge of fighting as a whole rather than a fraction of combat knowledge, has a higher change of survival in a street fight.

Counting out "buddies" and "weapons" being involved when a street fight goes down the MMA fighter will usually come out on top.


For me its the gay skinhead fans who think that MMA is so much better than boxing etc etc.

And like the bringer said, the whole unblockable takedown thing is just stupid.

Again what is with skin head/gay comments. You guys talk about MMA fans eating up whatever Dana says, and yet you guys take everything Bob Arum says, and run with it and that's not hypocritical?

Nobody said a takedown is unblockable, but for a boxer, it's not hard to fathom a NCAA All American being able to take down a boxer with relative ease.

_____


I've never taken a **** on boxing and I'd expect the same courtesy from everyone else. I just don't get why boxing fans have to constantly attempt to degrade it.

If anyone has "beef" or is disgruntled it's boxing fans. No provocation or purpose behind their constant bashing of the sport of MMA.

I'd really like to know a legitimate reason for why people hate MMA. You can use the meathead excuse for reasons for not liking sports in general. Because every sport has their share of obnoxious, abrasive, meathead fans.

You guys don't know what a meathead fan is until you've been to a NFL Game or a Soccer Game.

MMA pales in comparison

Every sport has their share of meathead fans. EVERY SPORT. Not just combat sports.

I said that in my post already, didn't I?

This is ridiculous. How you can make a statement like that when 99% of this forum takes random shots at MMA for No reason and with no provocation at all. How many times has a member of this forum posted a thread taking **** on Boxing? Enough that I can probably count on one finger. Every week in this section we get at least 4 threads and countless post consisting of MMA bashing or simply the played out phrase "mmgay"

Stop being hypocritical because if there are any meatheads or ignorant people on these boards, it's boxing fans.

You're talking about this board. I'm talking about the internet as a whole. Big difference here.

But like I said, what do you expect when you're posting on boxingscene.com? Yeah, I know ; "this is the MMA forum". But the website is 90% dedicated to boxing, boxing is in the URL, and that's the fans this site is catering to.

Again, the times that people take a **** on MMA heavily outweigh the time that MMA fans take a **** on boxing. Most if not all the MMA fans I know are actually still fans of boxing and were before they were fans of MMA.


Well then this must be your personal experience.

In my personal experience, it's been the complete opposite.

Perhaps you don't look out enough for MMA meatheads ****ting on boxing, and perhaps I don't look out enough for boxing meatheads ****ting on MMA?

Classy Move. The_Bringer, you can use this statement as a bluebrint for the apparent meathead, ingnorant "classy" (sarcasm) fans that make up todays boxing fan base.

What the **** does what he said have to do with me?

You pretty much just owned yourself here. Street fights are unpredictable, but a person that has knowledge of fighting as a whole rather than a fraction of combat knowledge, has a higher change of survival in a street fight.

Counting out "buddies" and "weapons" being involved when a street fight goes down the MMA fighter will usually come out on top.

This pretty much speaks for itself. You're basically saying a boxer has no chance to land a punch whatsoever in a stret fight. I don't need to point out how retarded that is.

You're also discounting how some feeble minded MMA fighters actually convince themselves they're capable of standing and trading with a boxer. (Mercer/Sylvia)

Who's to say the boxer wouldn't land a punch before the MMA guy could shoot for a takedown?

Who's to say the MMA guy would immediately go for the takedown?

And how the hell would he even know the guy was a boxer, and that he would be best served to take him down, in the first place? He might just think he's some average joe and try to trade with him because he wouldn't think the other guy could fight as well as him.

Again what is with skin head/gay comments. You guys talk about MMA fans eating up whatever Dana says, and yet you guys take everything Bob Arum says, and run with it and that's not hypocritical?

Nobody said a takedown is unblockable, but for a boxer, it's not hard to fathom a NCAA All American being able to take down a boxer with relative ease.

This also has nothing to do with me. I never said any of the sort.

I've never taken a **** on boxing and I'd expect the same courtesy from everyone else. I just don't get why boxing fans have to constantly attempt to degrade it.

If anyone has "beef" or is disgruntled it's boxing fans. No provocation or purpose behind their constant bashing of the sport of MMA.

No provocation? Please. I realize we have dicks in boxing that **** on MMA any chance they get like Lou DiBella or Bob Arum. But you've got Joe Rogan and Dana White, so it evens out.

I'd really like to know a legitimate reason for why people hate MMA. You can use the meathead excuse for reasons for not liking sports in general. Because every sport has their share of obnoxious, abrasive, meathead fans.

You guys don't know what a meathead fan is until you've been to a NFL Game or a Soccer Game.

MMA pales in comparison

That's honestly my reason. I got no problem with MMA, it just isn't my thing. I have no problem with the way they do business, their fighters, the sport as a whole, or whatever.

My only problem is ignorant *******s (on both sides) who keep this retarded **** going.

You tell them Bringer!

Why did this thread just turn into fans attacking each other?...

Lastly ; one final thing that really annoys me that the MMA meatheads say is that a boxer would stand no chance in a street fight with an MMA guy.

A statement like that is ignorant on so many levels, that it baffles my brain.

Anybody who's ever been in more than one or two street fights in their life can tell you that a street fight is a very unpredictable event.

Literally anything can happen, and to assume right off the bat that the boxer stands no chance because he would get taken down immediately is just stupid, to me because like I said ; anything can happen in a fight.

And if a boxer connects with no gloves on, in a street fighting scenario ; you're going to have to have one hell of a chin to stand up to that.

The whole "beef" is annoying to me, really.

I wish we could gather up all the people who participate in it, and fan the flames, and just execute them firing squad style.

MMA guy here, and I completely agree with the above.

Ju jitsu? Nah mate, they're just dry humping rednecks who lack skill and fighting know how. Anderson Silva got knocked out in a round by a Brazilian clubfighter who probably wouldn't last a minute with a european boxer

What i really hate is the not so much the meat head fans but more so the retard fans that will argue with you for 20 mins about how mma is better then boxing and mma will always beat boxing and eventually you get to the point where your agreeing that they both have a fair chance in a fight and your respecting each others sport then the mma person says something retarded like

"yeah its 50/50 chance in both persons favor but once the mma guy gets the take down its over 100% of the time." Well i guess that wouldnt make it 50/50 now would it idiot and now you have the get harassed for the next 20 mins because your a retard and you thought you could get away with that comment but you didnt and you wont weather it be in the same thread or the next one that will be created mocking mma.

or you have the people that are like i dont understand why how you can even compare the sport its like apples and oranges but mma would totally destroy boxing. what the hell is the point of a statement like that? we should all be happy and where all equal but i would kick your ass either way thats like apologizing to some one because their and idiot.....i mean i could apologize for making fun of mma but id rather just say im sorry that you guys were born into redneck families.

MMA guy here, and I completely agree with the above.

Thank you, Bricks. I always knew you were good peoples. :fing02:

Ju jitsu? Nah mate, they're just dry humping rednecks who lack skill and fighting know how. Anderson Silva got knocked out in a round by a Brazilian clubfighter who probably wouldn't last a minute with a european boxer

you're an idiot

BJJ and wrestling aren't sports, they're dry humping apparently

there not martial arts either

Martial:
# soldierly: (of persons) befitting a warrior; "a military bearing"
# warlike: suggesting war or military life
# Roman poet noted for epigrams (first century BC)
# martial(a): of or relating to the armed forces; "martial law"

the root of the word coming from the planet mars aka the god of war.

so when was bjj and wrestling used by soldiers in war? perhaps its an art but its definitely not a martial art by definition. I mean does BJJ even teach you how to block or punch? im pretty sure wrestling dosnt.

there not martial arts either

Martial:
# soldierly: (of persons) befitting a warrior; "a military bearing"
# warlike: suggesting war or military life
# Roman poet noted for epigrams (first century BC)
# martial(a): of or relating to the armed forces; "martial law"

the root of the word coming from the planet mars aka the god of war.

so when was bjj and wrestling used by soldiers in war? perhaps its an art but its definitely not a martial art by definition. I mean does BJJ even teach you how to block or punch? im pretty sure wrestling dosnt.

martial art
n.
Any of several Asian arts of combat or self-defense, such as aikido, karate, judo, or tae kwon do, usually practiced as sport. Often used in the plural.

that would mean western boxing isn't an art either

martial art
n.
Any of several Asian arts of combat or self-defense, such as aikido, karate, judo, or tae kwon do, usually practiced as sport. Often used in the plural.

that would mean western boxing isn't an art either

nope boxing isnt a martial art either never said it was. nor do the people that partake in it claim them selfs to be martial artists nor dose the title include anything to do with martial arts.

aikido, karate, judo, or tae kwon do, usually practiced as sport.

but im sure they were all used at one time or another as a complete fighting art for use in military activities.

Wrestling is not a martial art.

BJJ is baised off Ju jitsu right? i dont know about JJ's roots so BJJ might be a martial art.

there not martial arts either

Martial:
# soldierly: (of persons) befitting a warrior; "a military bearing"
# warlike: suggesting war or military life
# Roman poet noted for epigrams (first century BC)
# martial(a): of or relating to the armed forces; "martial law"

the root of the word coming from the planet mars aka the god of war.

so when was bjj and wrestling used by soldiers in war? perhaps its an art but its definitely not a martial art by definition. I mean does BJJ even teach you how to block or punch? im pretty sure wrestling dosnt.

Actually, BJJ is and has been being taught to the US Armed Forces for a while now.

Actually, BJJ is and has been being taught to the US Armed Forces for a while now.

"jujitsu" literally meaning the "art of softness," or "way of yielding" is a collective name for Japanese martial art styles including unarmed and armed techniques. Jujutsu evolved among the samurai of feudal Japan as a method for defeating an armed and armored opponent without weapons. Due to the ineffectiveness of striking against an armored opponent, the most efficient methods for neutralizing an enemy took the form of pins, joint locks, and throws.

so yeah it has its roots in fighting in battles. and as you said us armed forces, but i still say that wrestling is not a martial art.

"jujitsu" literally meaning the "art of softness," or "way of yielding" is a collective name for Japanese martial art styles including unarmed and armed techniques. Jujutsu evolved among the samurai of feudal Japan as a method for defeating an armed and armored opponent without weapons. Due to the ineffectiveness of striking against an armored opponent, the most efficient methods for neutralizing an enemy took the form of pins, joint locks, and throws.

so yeah it has its roots in fighting in battles. and as you said us armed forces, but i still say that wrestling is not a martial art.

In wrestling, boxing etc. combat sports you learn the technique. In eastern martial arts (karate, jujitsu, etc.) you learn the technique and the philosophy. That could be one thing separating them from each other. Martial artists are taught to be warriors instead of being athletes.

How did i know this thread was gonna turn into another MMA hate thread discrediting BJJ and the other arts...

How did i know this thread was gonna turn into another MMA hate thread discrediting BJJ and the other arts...

I wouldn't call 2 men dryhumping in spandex shorts an 'art'

I wouldn't call 2 men dryhumping in spandex shorts an 'art'

Funny thing about that comment, reminds me of highschool wrestling. Allthe hockey players. football players, ect. would talk **** about us and call us a bunch of gay homos having gay sex. But everytime a fight broke out, it was always the wrestler kicking the other guys ass, no matter the size difference. Fact is this, like it or not, grappling is a form of fighting LIKE BOXING! It's an art with numerous techniques and is far from a simple one. That's why when most boxers fight under MMA rules they tend to get taken down and submitted fairley quickly.

Not gonna comment on the whole MMA vs Boxing BS again, coz it's really retarded. But just glad to see that dumbass Leakbeak got banned. And is Mr. President banned or has he just learned his lesson from getting countlessly owned all the time

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It's very difficult to respect a fighter who has a glass jaw and absolutely no heart,every fighter gets knocked down or out but what matters most is that you get back up and shake it off,in MMA,anytime a fighter gets tagged on the chin,they go down and out.

It's also very difficult to respect a fighter,who you know can't throw a punch better than you and that there's a chance you could actually knock this guy out in a real life confrontation.

The UFC are an absolute disgrace in the way they present themselves and who they market themselves too.The UFC's fanbase are some of the lowest human beings you can ever hope to meet in public and obviously quick knockouts and the "EXTREME" factor appeals to these people.

Another problem is that fights are not living up to the hype,people talk about Floyd Mayweather being boring and yes they ignore an absolute stinker like Georges St Pierre,a glass jawed wrestler,terrified at the prospect of taking one on the chin,so he immediately takes the fight to the ground where he will then lay on top of his opponent and smother him.

We have cowards like Fedor Emelianenko(supposedly the greatest fighter on the planet)who are not willing to test himself and risk defeat and his legacy and fighting some clown in strikeforce.

It's very difficult to respect a fighter who has a glass jaw and absolutely no heart,every fighter gets knocked down or out but what matters most is that you get back up and shake it off,in MMA,anytime a fighter gets tagged on the chin,they go down and out.

When you get hit with 4oz gloves everyone appears to have a glass jaw. Not every fight is going to be a Rocky moment where a guy can absord 50 haymakers before going down and then beating an eight count or getting right back up.

It's also easy to say "get back up" as a boxing fan. Because when you get hit in MMA the beating doesn't stop -- it continues on the ground.




It's also very difficult to respect a fighter,who you know can't throw a punch better than you and that there's a chance you could actually knock this guy out in a real life confrontation.

I'm sure everyone is cowering at the fact that some idiot watching them fight while they sit and speculate thinks they can knock out a professional fighter.

The UFC are an absolute disgrace in the way they present themselves and who they market themselves too.The UFC's fanbase are some of the lowest human beings you can ever hope to meet in public and obviously quick knockouts and the "EXTREME" factor appeals to these people.

Not true at all.


Another problem is that fights are not living up to the hype,people talk about Floyd Mayweather being boring and yes they ignore an absolute stinker like Georges St Pierre,a glass jawed wrestler,terrified at the prospect of taking one on the chin,so he immediately takes the fight to the ground where he will then lay on top of his opponent and smother him.

First of all St. Pierre does not have a glass jaw. I'd say if you recieve 6 power shots to your head (one to the back) and you still maintain conciousness, you have a pretty good chin.

You talk about a guy that is unwilling to "get hit" and be in danger, yet you criticize the UFC and MMA's fan base for being "bloodthirsty" and craving quick knockout and high amounts of violence. Seems pretty hypocritical to me.

When you fight, you take it to where you are the most comfortable and where you are better than your opponent. Plunging head first into danger to satisfy some idiot who wants you to prove you're a man by his standards makes no sense.

Also calling St. Pierre a lay and prayer and boring, shows your tremendous lack of knowledge of the ground game.

We have cowards like Fedor Emelianenko(supposedly the greatest fighter on the planet)who are not willing to test himself and risk defeat and his legacy and fighting some clown in strikeforce.

Fedor has nothing to prove to anyone given his resume which may be inconsistent, but is filled with plenty of high caliber opposition.

There are WAY more cowards in boxing that hide behind padded, protected records and dodge opponents ALL the time until they are either

Too Old
The Money is right
The managers and promoters finally come to an agreement

and by the time that happens the observers lose all interest in the fight.


Oh and BTW. Nice ALT account. You really disguised it well :rolleyes:

When you get hit with 4oz gloves everyone appears to have a glass jaw. Not every fight is going to be a Rocky moment where a guy can absord 50 haymakers before going down and then beating an eight count or getting right back upBoxing gloves were 6 ounce back in the day and fights often went more than 20 rounds-impresive is an understatment and then forrest griffen gets ko'd by a flicking jab that amir kahn would shrug off..

Boxing gloves were 6 ounce back in the day and fights often went more than 20 rounds-impresive is an understatment and then forrest griffen gets ko'd by a flicking jab that amir kahn would shrug off..

And the ironic thing is MMA fans point to Forrest as an example of a fighter with a good chin and a lot of heart. :lol1:

When you get hit with 4oz gloves everyone appears to have a glass jaw. Not every fight is going to be a Rocky moment where a guy can absord 50 haymakers before going down and then beating an eight count or getting right back up.


Pride FC used six oz gloves and the fighters were still getting dropped very easily,it's a combination of a few things

: poor balance and poor footwork
: the inability to to take a solid punch(glass jaw)


It's also easy to say "get back up" as a boxing fan. Because when you get hit in MMA the beating doesn't stop -- it continues on the ground.


The point is,the guys usually out before the other fight resume's his attack while the other is on the ground,the one gif I produced,he was pretty much knocked out by that jab.




First of all St. Pierre does not have a glass jaw. I'd say if you recieve 6 power shots to your head (one to the back) and you still maintain conciousness, you have a pretty good chin.

Power shots from a midget grappler? Serra is not a puncher and St Pierre got rocked and hurt and eventually tapped out as he didn't have the heart to continue on.

He has a very weak chin and he himself has no confidence in it.


When you fight, you take it to where you are the most comfortable and where you are better than your opponent. Plunging head first into danger to satisfy some idiot who wants you to prove you're a man by his standards makes no sense.


Watch St.Pierre fight before the midget knocked him out,he wasn't as cautious a fighter as he is now

Also calling St. Pierre a lay and prayer and boring, shows your tremendous lack of knowledge of the ground game.

He does lay and pray,no debate there really,he makes very little effort to improve his position on the ground and when he does,the moment his opponent makes an effort to counter,he reverts right back to the same position.

Did you see how terrified he was,when Alves was on top of him?


Fedor has nothing to prove to anyone given his resume which may be inconsistent, but is filled with plenty of high caliber opposition.

What resume? Nogueira? ok that two great wins,which other top wins does he have? Cro Cop? ok fine but Mark Hunt also beat Cro Cop just four months later.

Tim Sylvia got knocked out cold by near 50 year old,shot Ray Mercer in just nine seconds.Arlovski got knocked out by unheralded Brett Rogers.



Oh and BTW. Nice ALT account. You really disguised it well :rolleyes:


What ALT account? I've been banned three times since July and this is my 4th acount,no hiding there.

This is a boxing forum,not an MMA forum,go over to sherdog with the rest of the idiots,or did sherdog ban you for expressing an opinion?

Pride FC used six oz gloves and the fighters were still getting dropped very easily,it's a combination of a few things

: poor balance and poor footwork
: the inability to to take a solid punch(glass jaw)





The point is,the guys usually out before the other fight resume's his attack while the other is on the ground,the one gif I produced,he was pretty much knocked out by that jab.






Power shots from a midget grappler? Serra is not a puncher and St Pierre got rocked and hurt and eventually tapped out as he didn't have the heart to continue on.

He has a very weak chin and he himself has no confidence in it.





Watch St.Pierre fight before the midget knocked him out,he wasn't as cautious a fighter as he is now



He does lay and pray,no debate there really,he makes very little effort to improve his position on the ground and when he does,the moment his opponent makes an effort to counter,he reverts right back to the same position.

Did you see how terrified he was,when Alves was on top of him?




What resume? Nogueira? ok that two great wins,which other top wins does he have? Cro Cop? ok fine but Mark Hunt also beat Cro Cop just four months later.

Tim Sylvia got knocked out cold by near 50 year old,shot Ray Mercer in just nine seconds.Arlovski got knocked out by unheralded Brett Rogers.






What ALT account? I've been banned three times since July and this is my 4th acount,no hiding there.

This is a boxing forum,not an MMA forum,go over to sherdog with the rest of the idiots,or did sherdog ban you for expressing an opinion?

Lol Fedor has dominated the sport for 6 years, he is most recognized for beating fighters at their strong points - Ex. He beat CroCop on his feet, beat Nogueira from inside Nog's guard, beat Coleman and Randleman from underneath, beat Arona on the ground, he has beaten giants that aren't allowed in the UFC because of their size and in all of these cases, he made it look easy, etc.

Sorry, just had to point it out. Didn't read anything else, peace.

I don't like MMA because:

1. They use this sport to discriminate Pacquiao for being a non-chinese non-indian Asian. (Cnn.com and all sports says "MMA&Boxing") as if MMA was there before Mohammad Ali and Boxing as a whole ever existed.
2. They hug and kiss, they smell each other's balls in the floor.:kiss:
3. They move like power-rangers
4. MMA fans are also Star-Trek & Star-Wars Fans
5. It was just an upgrade of World Wrestling Federation

These are my reasons why I hate MMA so bad.

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:smashfrea

I don't like MMA because:

1. They use this sport to discriminate Pacquiao for being a non-chinese non-indian Asian. (Cnn.com and all sports says "MMA&Boxing") as if MMA was there before Mohammad Ali and Boxing as a whole ever existed.
2. They hug and kiss, they smell each other's balls in the floor.:kiss:
3. They move like power-rangers
4. MMA fans are also Star-Trek & Star-Wars Fans
5. It was just an upgrade of World Wrestling Federation

These are my reasons why I hate MMA so bad.

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:smashfrea

too bad none of them make any sense and or aren't true

Lol Fedor has dominated the sport for 6 years, he is most recognized for beating fighters at their strong points - Ex. He beat CroCop on his feet, beat Nogueira from inside Nog's guard, beat Coleman and Randleman from underneath, beat Arona on the ground, he has beaten giants that aren't allowed in the UFC because of their size and in all of these cases, he made it look easy, etc.

Sorry, just had to point it out. Didn't read anything else, peace.


Lmao at beating Arona on the ground,he spent a great deal of that fight on his back,clinging onto Arona for dear life,Arona got robbed in that fight and everybody including Fedor knew it.

Those giants were freaks with no skills - Zulu? lmao,Hong Man Choi? you must be taking the piss son

Lmao at beating Arona on the ground,he spent a great deal of that fight on his back,clinging onto Arona for dear life,Arona got robbed in that fight and everybody including Fedor knew it.

Those giants were freaks with no skills - Zulu? lmao,Hong Man Choi? you must be taking the piss son

I was quite crunk, but what of my other examples? I'll stand by my statement. Beating a prime CroCop standing up? Beating a prime Nogueira inside of Nog's legendary guard? Making his debut against a 6'11, 290lb Semmy Schilt (Who by no means can be called a joke, he has decent MMA credentials)? Or how about having 12 Russian and World Combat Sambo and Judo medals? Not to mention, the first guy to really physically hurt Fujita, after being hit by a wound up right hook by arguably one of the strongest fighters to ever participate in the sport?

Fedor is the real deal, and as far as credentials, nobody comes close.

And on top of this, find me another fighter who is undefeated in 31 fights and has had several top fights against legitimate contenders, champions and people who are now/will be in the sport's Hall of Fame. Fedor has never been beaten, that's the simplicity of what I'm saying.

In a sport that you are meant to lose every once in a while, because it's so random - Fedor has never lost.

I don't like MMA because:

1. They use this sport to discriminate Pacquiao for being a non-chinese non-indian Asian. (Cnn.com and all sports says "MMA&Boxing") as if MMA was there before Mohammad Ali and Boxing as a whole ever existed.
2. They hug and kiss, they smell each other's balls in the floor.:kiss:
3. They move like power-rangers
4. MMA fans are also Star-Trek & Star-Wars Fans
5. It was just an upgrade of World Wrestling Federation

These are my reasons why I hate MMA so bad.

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:smashfrea

co sign brother