View Full Version : What went wrong for Trinidad?


Benncollinsaad
10-08-2009, 11:51 AM
I was wondering about this as I watched his fight with Carr and Ferdie Pacheco calling him the next Sugar Ray Robinson. He did have a brilliant career to start with, with 40 straight wins, but after that first defeat it looked like he was not the same anymore. And then he made a glorious comeback against Mayorga, but then stranded again against Wright. That fight is a mystery to me. I know Wright is a great technician and a very awkward fighter, but Tito beat Whitaker and some other awkward fighters before.

So what did go wrong?

IMDAZED
10-08-2009, 12:20 PM
Nothing went wrong. He had a fine career and will be in the HOF. Yeah, he lost to Hopkins & Wright, it happens. He constantly tested himself against the best. Tito was aiming for Roy Jones, for godsake.

MANGLER
10-08-2009, 12:27 PM
Nothin. Felix' career was sick. He just laid off a long time after Bhop, and picked 2 fights he had no chance of winnin for his comebacks, sans Mayo of course. Felix still got his place in history as a gr8 fighter imo.

Kut
10-08-2009, 01:39 PM
Imo he should have gone up faster in the middleweight ranks or junior middleweight. Maybe in 1998.

But he had an impressive carrer. BHop and Winky are terrible Matchups for a guy like Tito.

Maybe he should have also trained with weights.

Stoppage
10-08-2009, 01:51 PM
Hopkins and Wright were just bad style match-ups for him. By the Jones fight he was gone.

Sugarj
10-08-2009, 04:22 PM
I always felt that middleweight was a step too far for him. I felt that the Joppy KO flattered him a bit...........then he was rushed into Hopkins!

If he had stayed at welter/light middle theres nothing to suggest that he couldn't still be campaigning now.

Dynamite Kid
10-08-2009, 04:43 PM
Nothin. Felix' career was sick. He just laid off a long time after Bhop, and picked 2 fights he had no chance of winnin for his comebacks, sans Mayo of course. Felix still got his place in history as a gr8 fighter imo.

What he said.

If Tito fought those guys at 147 they would of been tough fights but you would realistically say he could overcome the style match up with his pure strength and pressure style but not above 147.

Benncollinsaad
10-08-2009, 04:44 PM
He shoulda stayed at 154. It was obviously the perfect division for him. But he got greedy.:nonono:

120
10-08-2009, 04:56 PM
He relied too much on his power and ignored other factors late in his career. I you look at young tito, he used to box very well with a great head movement but after he fell in love with his power, he put that aside. When he fought Hopkins he had plan A and that's it. He had no answer for hops, it was as if they didn't even Watch any taps or anything and thought he would trade like many others did.

For winky it was the same ****. But this time he was too concerned about his image to the point he even had a stylist working for him; and again it seemed he had no answer for his (winky) style. Like if his corner didn't even watch any tapes and just a plan A, try to get a ko.

Tito IS an ATG, he was an incredible boxer but his dad plain and simple sucked. All he knew was to slap his kid and tell him to go beat the other fighter up. Terrible strategist. Tito was Tito and that's it. But then if u think if another trainer wouldve done anything well, I don't think u can teach an old dog new tricks or he will get hurt

Bright-Eyes
10-08-2009, 05:12 PM
Trinidad dared to be great,some fighters who have even more talent and skills would never have taken such a risk to prove their greatness,Trinidad lost to Hopkins who was just a bigger and better fighter than he was,he didn't need to take that fight as he was a much bigger star and name than Hopkins was but he did so anyway and I respect that.


Thomas Hearns and Trinidad were simply made for the 154 pound weight class.I don't think Trinidad at his prime against Wright in his prime at 154 plays out the way it did in 2005 either

Bushidō
10-08-2009, 05:17 PM
He had a great career but perhaps tasting his first defeat took the fire out of him. IMO he should have never retired because he was still on top of his game at that time.

1SILVA
10-08-2009, 07:50 PM
I was wondering about this as I watched his fight with Carr and Ferdie Pacheco calling him the next Sugar Ray Robinson. He did have a brilliant career to start with, with 40 straight wins, but after that first defeat it looked like he was not the same anymore. And then he made a glorious comeback against Mayorga, but then stranded again against Wright. That fight is a mystery to me. I know Wright is a great technician and a very awkward fighter, but Tito beat Whitaker and some other awkward fighters before.

So what did go wrong?

Trinidad was never the same after the beating Hopkins gave him. Pacheco was a shill for latin fighters promoted by Don King, especially when he worked for Showtime. When Pacheco worked with Marv Albert on NBC, he was an excellent color commentator. He was so biased on Showtime that he was hard to listen to. I was glad when he finally retired. Him calling Trinidad the next SRR was a disgrace, and I'm Puerto Rican. Trinidad had a great career. Should have never came back after the whipping Bernard gave him.

Dondi33O
10-08-2009, 07:52 PM
I was wondering about this as I watched his fight with Carr and Ferdie Pacheco calling him the next Sugar Ray Robinson. He did have a brilliant career to start with, with 40 straight wins, but after that first defeat it looked like he was not the same anymore. And then he made a glorious comeback against Mayorga, but then stranded again against Wright. That fight is a mystery to me. I know Wright is a great technician and a very awkward fighter, but Tito beat Whitaker and some other awkward fighters before.

So what did go wrong?

His mistake was the same as the mistake Pac is about to make. Continually moving up in weight until you lose.
He should have stood in 147 longer then moved to 154 and ended his career there.

gibo
10-09-2009, 01:10 AM
TITO NEVER DUCKED ANYONE!!!!! Fought UP the scale in weight and challenged whoever was next in line. (unlike a former boxer-promoter who fought DOWN the scale, and got his *ss beat. even losing to a 3 division lighter opponant, who made him QUIT) TITO fought bigger stronger fighters, and WILL be in BOXING HALL OF FAME!!! So answering your question! NOTHING WENT WRONG WITH TITO TRINIDAD!!!! He was about fighting, for himself and his fans...NOT ABOUT CONNING HIS "RAZA" OUT OF THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY!!!!!!

▀ringer
10-09-2009, 01:23 AM
Lack of good fundamentals.

Anytime he was up against an opponet with better fundamentals than himself, he always found himself drowning in deep waters. (Oscar, Bernard, Winky.)

mickey malone
10-09-2009, 03:05 PM
I always felt that middleweight was a step too far for him. I felt that the Joppy KO flattered him a bit...........then he was rushed into Hopkins!

If he had stayed at welter/light middle theres nothing to suggest that he couldn't still be campaigning now.
Spot on as usual SugarJ..

BMWM3P
10-09-2009, 03:20 PM
It was a combination of things. First he didn't have the size advantage he enjoyed at the lower weight classes, second he started relying to much on his power, third and most important Flix Trinidad Sr.

His dad is the biggest reason his career stalled, he was too dumb and proud to admit he wasn't the right trainer for Tito. He also influenced Tito's retirement when it was clear he could still fight he just needed another trainer to help him deal with people who wouldn't stand and trade with him.

In all I feel Tito had a great career but it could have been much better if it wasn't for his father.

Benncollinsaad
10-09-2009, 03:26 PM
It was a combination of things. First he didn't have the size advantage he enjoyed at the lower weight classes, second he started relying to much on his power, third and most important Flix Trinidad Sr.

His dad is the biggest reason his career stalled, he was too dumb and proud to admit he wasn't the right trainer for Tito. He also influenced Tito's retirement when it was clear he could still fight he just needed another trainer to help him deal with people who wouldn't stand and trade with him.

In all I feel Tito had a great career but it could have been much better if it wasn't for his father.

Ah yes, the fathers...I think there should be a law against fathers training their sons as pros. It never worked out well. Look at Jones jr, Mosley, Delahoya...:nonono:

Cyse
10-09-2009, 03:35 PM
Ah yes, the fathers...I think there should be a law against fathers training their sons as pros. It never worked out well. Look at Jones jr, Mosley, Delahoya...:nonono:
If I recall correctly and im not 100% sure but Erik Moales was trained by his dad his entire career untill the very end.

As for tito, he should've stayed at welter. Someone said this and it was right on "he moved up too fast".

What a great talent gone to waste. He was fun to watch

EDD1
10-09-2009, 03:45 PM
TITO NEVER DUCKED ANYONE!!!!! Fought UP the scale in weight and challenged whoever was next in line. (unlike a former boxer-promoter who fought DOWN the scale, and got his *ss beat. even losing to a 3 division lighter opponant, who made him QUIT) TITO fought bigger stronger fighters, and WILL be in BOXING HALL OF FAME!!! So answering your question! NOTHING WENT WRONG WITH TITO TRINIDAD!!!! He was about fighting, for himself and his fans...NOT ABOUT CONNING HIS "RAZA" OUT OF THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY!!!!!!


wow Gibo, what did "a former boxer-promoter who fought DOWN the scale, and got his *ss beat. even losing to a 3 division lighter opponant, who made him QUIT" do to you man ???, go ahead man, its ok to talk about it, let it out

Bushidō
10-09-2009, 06:02 PM
Trinidad was never the same after the beating Hopkins gave him. Pacheco was a shill for latin fighters promoted by Don King, especially when he worked for Showtime. When Pacheco worked with Marv Albert on NBC, he was an excellent color commentator. He was so biased on Showtime that he was hard to listen to. I was glad when he finally retired. Him calling Trinidad the next SRR was a disgrace, and I'm Puerto Rican. Trinidad had a great career. Should have never came back after the whipping Bernard gave him.

He wasn't the same as in his confidence was not as high as it was anymore. Hopkins broke him down systematically. You could tell Hopkins respected his power though. He kept his guard tight and moved around and boxed. He would at times hold his hands up and wait for Trinidad to throw a punch and he would counter on the same side that Trinidad threw a punch. That fight was a master piece.

sangresabia
10-09-2009, 07:04 PM
Nothing went wrong. He just looked back against the greats, DLH, Hopkins, Winky & RJJ.

Jiddu Dali
10-09-2009, 08:08 PM
Nothing went wrong. He had a fine career and will be in the HOF. Yeah, he lost to Hopkins & Wright, it happens. He constantly tested himself against the best. Tito was aiming for Roy Jones, for godsake.

yeah no ****..Tito was a beast!..

and Roy Jones woulda destroyed him

shyboirank#1
10-09-2009, 08:31 PM
nothing went wrong with him hes old

theghost#1
10-09-2009, 08:37 PM
I was wondering about this as I watched his fight with Carr and Ferdie Pacheco calling him the next Sugar Ray Robinson. He did have a brilliant career to start with, with 40 straight wins, but after that first defeat it looked like he was not the same anymore. And then he made a glorious comeback against Mayorga, but then stranded again against Wright. That fight is a mystery to me. I know Wright is a great technician and a very awkward fighter, but Tito beat Whitaker and some other awkward fighters before.

So what did go wrong?

Moving up in weight thats all.

gibo
10-09-2009, 09:45 PM
wow Gibo, what did "a former boxer-promoter who fought DOWN the scale, and got his *ss beat. even losing to a 3 division lighter opponant, who made him QUIT" do to you man ???, go ahead man, its ok to talk about it, let it out

i've been letting it out ED, exposing the fraud that he is.. sorry man, i just can't stand fakes!!!!

EDD1
10-10-2009, 04:42 PM
i've been letting it out ED, exposing the fraud that he is.. sorry man, i just can't stand fakes!!!!

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Here you go man, im sure you seen this but just keep it near and take one every morning with your coffee and cigarrette

jrosales13
10-10-2009, 06:17 PM
If I recall correctly and im not 100% sure but Erik Moales was trained by his dad his entire career untill the very end.

As for tito, he should've stayed at welter. Someone said this and it was right on "he moved up too fast".

What a great talent gone to waste. He was fun to watch

He couldn't stay at WW any longer. He was so drained when he fought. He was starving himself for 2yrs trying to make 147. He was literally killing himself to make 147. He should of went to 154 sooner than he did. They was alwasy talks about him fighting Terry Norris. But, he stayed at 147 just to fight Oscar.