Ring Magazine and IBA featherweight champion Manny Pacquiao was today forced to take a blood test and an eye examination by the Nevada State Athletic Commission after they discovered that trainer Freddie Roach and the new management team headed by Shelly Finkel had failed to submit Pacquiao to the mandatory medical examination within the prescribed 30 day period before the fight.

When Pacquiao was informed early today that he had to undergo the tests he initially refused claiming that the drops put in his eyes blur his vision for about three days and it was too close to the showdown with Erik "El Terrible" Morales on Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. Another report claimed that his arm felt weak when blood was extracted. However, both promoter Bob Arum and international promoter Murad Muhammad said that the fight would not be sanctioned unless Pacquiao took the tests, forcing Pacquiao to go to the Nevada State Athletic Commission and get it done.. [details (http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=871)]

Does it sound to anyone else like Roach is getting ready to make excuses.

Does it sound to anyone else like Roach is getting ready to make excuses.
hey joe, how about placing a bet with me, 1 million for pac :)

def seems lil fishy
think manny may be on somethin
didnt want any test done?
kinda weird
plus this roach and murad squable cant be helpen pac

hey joe, how about placing a bet with me, 1 million for pac :)

I got all the money I want on this fight allready thanx.

First, the glove issue and now this one. I wonder if there are more glitches like this coming. Bob Arum is a real sly dude. I can see his finger prints all over behind these moves. :mad:
murad and sf are no match to this smart ass

Bump worthy!

hahahahahahahahahaa

damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

History is a ***** huh?

flhomos are crying like *****es LOL :bottle: LOL

Ring Magazine and IBA featherweight champion Manny Pacquiao was today forced to take a blood test and an eye examination by the Nevada State Athletic Commission after they discovered that trainer Freddie Roach and the new management team headed by Shelly Finkel had failed to submit Pacquiao to the mandatory medical examination within the prescribed 30 day period before the fight.

When Pacquiao was informed early today that he had to undergo the tests he initially refused claiming that the drops put in his eyes blur his vision for about three days and it was too close to the showdown with Erik "El Terrible" Morales on Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. Another report claimed that his arm felt weak when blood was extracted. However, both promoter Bob Arum and international promoter Murad Muhammad said that the fight would not be sanctioned unless Pacquiao took the tests, forcing Pacquiao to go to the Nevada State Athletic Commission and get it done.. [details (http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=871)]
wtf??? more excuses?? this guy must have been roiding all along

wtf??? more excuses?? this guy must have been roiding all along

Pacquiao claimed that the drops put in his eyes blur his vision for 3 days.

Murad revealed that when Roach claimed the medical examination records were lost "I believed him and thought he told us the truth and took issue with the Commission, only to find out that Freddie lied."

-Classic right there.^^^^^:boxing:

Murad revealed that when Roach claimed the medical examination records were lost "I believed him and thought he told us the truth and took issue with the Commission, only to find out that Freddie lied."

-Classic right there.^^^^^:boxing:

So my question is, Floyd Sr.'s doing also? :lol1:

I bet all of you Pacquiao haters are pleasuring yourself to this thread right now. How sad.




Get a girlfriend ya'll. Trust me. Its much better.

Wow...this is crazy man........

Murad revealed that when Roach claimed the medical examination records were lost "I believed him and thought he told us the truth and took issue with the Commission, only to find out that Freddie lied."

-Classic right there.^^^^^:boxing:


lmao...I'm starting to think that even the Mayweather brothers have more creditability. Geez, team Pacman reeks of foul play.

Pacquiao claimed that the drops put in his eyes blur his vision for 3 days.

lmao, yeah he is real sensitive when it come to testing.

I bet all of you Pacquiao haters are pleasuring yourself to this thread right now. How sad.




Get a girlfriend ya'll. Trust me. Its much better.

how about you argue the facts like a man instead of a name-calling little girl? Your boy is looking BAD right now.

lmao, yeah he is real sensitive when it come to testing.

Nothing that a good lollipop in the end couldn't fix.

http://store.drumbum.com/media/lollipop-kids-drum.jpg

I bet all of you Pacquiao haters are pleasuring yourself to this thread right now. How sad.




Get a girlfriend ya'll. Trust me. Its much better.:bottle::bottle:

Holy crap..Pacfans just took the dip!!! Pac is looking worse and worse he's being exposed holy **** this will be the biggest scandal ever..Pac has been hiding the greatest secret in boxing since Morales....all his victories are now tainted

Holy crap..Pacfans just took the dip!!! Pac is looking worse and worse he's being exposed holy **** this will be the biggest scandal ever..Pac has been hiding the greatest secret in boxing since Morales....all his victories are now tainted

In all honesty, this would absolutely destroy boxing. The fighter of the decade caught roiding will pretty much kill our sport in the eyes of the mainstream. This is sad, but I do want to know the truth, even if it's not what we want to hear.

how about you argue the facts like a man instead of a name-calling little girl? Your boy is looking BAD right now.

My boy?


What the **** are you talking about? What do any of these boxers do for any of us besides provide us with a bit of entertainment? You act like he's my brother or some ****.

Some of you take this **** way too seriously. What happens to any boxer, makes no difference in my real life.


Besides, if you think that the opinion of Boxingscene members reflects real life you're trippin. The amount of hate and bias on this website is unreal.

My boy?


What the **** are you talking about? What do any of these boxers do for any of us besides provide us with a bit of entertainment? You act like he's my brother or some ****.

Some of you take this **** way too seriously. What happens to any boxer, makes no difference in my real life.


Besides, if you think that the opinion of Boxingscene members reflects real life you're trippin. The amount of hate and bias on this website is unreal.

Everyone else here is pointing out facts to support their arguments. All you're doing is taking it personally and name-calling everyone. You're the one who started saying "get a girlfriend, Mayweather fans" and all that bull****. Obviously, this is striking a nerve with you if you have to resort to that kind of talk. Spit the facts with us or get off the forum.

Good find dominicano! The truth will set Pak free.

The amount of hate and bias on this website is unreal.

This is probably true to some extent, but Pacman and his entourage do not look very good to the public right now...any unbiased observer can see that.

This was random after the weigh in.
They would've found something if he had taken antything.
it appears that the Mayweathers has been keeping records.
They knew that's his weakest point.
Now they're trying to do same ****.

Good find dominicano! The truth will set Pak free.

or destroy his career and bury all of his accomplishments...

Everyone else here is pointing out facts to support their arguments. All you're doing is taking it personally and name-calling everyone. You're the one who started saying "get a girlfriend, Mayweather fans" and all that bull****. Obviously, this is striking a nerve with you if you have to resort to that kind of talk. Spit the facts with us or get off the forum.


I just find it funny how excited everyone gets when a guy gets backed into a corner over some **** that really no one has any evidence to back their baseless claims up with.


Please tell me this since most of you in this thread are so convinced that Pacquiao is cheating:


Where is your proof?


Ya'll are like some crooked ass judges and district attorneys in this *****. Guilty until proven innocent.

I just find it funny how excited everyone gets when a guy gets backed into a corner over some **** that really no one has any evidence to back their baseless claims up with.


Please tell me this since most of you in this thread are so convinced that Pacquiao is cheating:


Where is your proof?


Ya'll are like some crooked ass judges and district attorneys in this *****. Guilty until proven innocent.

Not taking a random blood test might as well prove your guilt. That's how the mainstream fans are viewing this right now. If you are a Pacquiao fan, why don't you want the truth? Aren't you curious to know whether you've been supporting an all-time great or a fraud? I'd want to know if it had been Corrales, my favorite fighter ever.

there is a youtube for this...

i dont think the flhomos would want to hear the interview. they will all committ suicide.. too bad it is in filipino LOL

Well to be fair, Murad is a piece of **** also and people pretty much know that. But still, this doesn't look very good at all

Ya'll are like some crooked ass judges and district attorneys in this *****. Guilty until proven innocent.

He is innocent until proven guilty but he is also in the court of public opinion and is therefore, suspicious until proven innocent.

Only by his own doing, it a shame, really.

Holy crap..Pacfans just took the dip!!! Pac is looking worse and worse he's being exposed holy **** this will be the biggest scandal ever..Pac has been hiding the greatest secret in boxing since Morales....all his victories are now tainted

No, you are speculating just like the others who are following in the footsteps of "Idiots." You're just another one of these so-called boxing fans who enjoy needling the supporters of the "Greatest Fighter" of this generation. You've failed your mission. Good try. Hahaha... :Flush:

Isn't it funny that this news is all new for the Mayweather fans.

And they got the nerve to say they know more boxing than Pacfans.

Now we all know blood testing weakens Manny thats why mayweather team insist on olympic style blood testing.

Isn't it funny that this news is all new for the Mayweather fans.

And they got the nerve to say they know more boxing than Pacfans.

verdugo... there is youtube for this. it is now in pacland. just saw it.

flhomos will hate pac more LOL

Isn't it funny that this news is all new for the Mayweather fans.

And they got the nerve to say they know more boxing than Pacfans.

Woah, calm down girl. As if we're suppose to remember articles dating that back.

Not taking a random blood test might as well prove your guilt.

This would be the case if this is what the requirement of the sanctioning body for the fight was, but it isn't. So refusing to terms set in the contract is simply another contract dispute. Period.

I do agree that it doesn't help Pacquiao's case though, and feel that he should just take the tests, given they find a middle ground for the cut off date, since that seems to be the sticking point.


That's how the mainstream fans are viewing this right now.

I was unaware that you were the spokesman for mainstream fans, but thank you for your assesment.

Most people I know give decent people the benefit of the doubt, but obviously he isn't given that here.

If you are a Pacquiao fan, why don't you want the truth? Aren't you curious to know whether you've been supporting an all-time great or a fraud? I'd want to know if it had been Corrales, my favorite fighter ever.

The accusations were baseless and tasteless, I still don't see the need for additional testing unless it is done across the table.


If that is the case, then of course...its best that all fighters are fighting fair.

Ring Magazine and IBA featherweight champion Manny Pacquiao was today forced to take a blood test and an eye examination by the Nevada State Athletic Commission after they discovered that trainer Freddie Roach and the new management team headed by Shelly Finkel had failed to submit Pacquiao to the mandatory medical examination within the prescribed 30 day period before the fight.

When Pacquiao was informed early today that he had to undergo the tests he initially refused claiming that the drops put in his eyes blur his vision for about three days and it was too close to the showdown with Erik "El Terrible" Morales on Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. Another report claimed that his arm felt weak when blood was extracted. However, both promoter Bob Arum and international promoter Murad Muhammad said that the fight would not be sanctioned unless Pacquiao took the tests, forcing Pacquiao to go to the Nevada State Athletic Commission and get it done.. [details (http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=871)]



THIS THREAD IS A FAIL! BECAUSE HE DID TOOK THE TEST AND TESTED NEGATIVE! nice going *****s
my advice to you guys is to stop :blowjob:
it makes you less smarter based on your accusations which purely based on a man's imagination

dang, pac's been ducking blood tests since he got schooled by a washed up morales.... hmmmm....

He is innocent until proven guilty but he is also in the court of public opinion and is therefore, suspicious until proven innocent.

Only by his own doing, it a shame, really.

Damn, i can't believe i am agreeing with you. he is suspicious but not yet proven guilty. most *****s fail to point out the difference between suspicious and outright guilty. props.

He is innocent until proven guilty but he is also in the court of public opinion and is therefore, suspicious until proven innocent.

Only by his own doing, it a shame, really.

funny how every ******* didn't response to this guy post its Pacroid own fault this got out of hand he is loseing public opinion and the longer he waits the worst it will get

THIS THREAD IS A FAIL! BECAUSE HE DID TOOK THE TEST AND TESTED NEGATIVE! nice going *****s
my advice to you guys is to stop :blowjob:
it makes you less smarter based on your accusations which purely based on a man's imagination

Read the last part idiot.

there's bigger fish to fry .. next thread ..

funny how every ******* didn't response to this guy post its Pacroid own fault this got out of hand he is loseing public opinion and the longer he waits the worst it will get

Spoke too soon?

I don't know what you guys think---but this article actually helps Pacquiao's case. Other than Roach's hate for Murad the whole thing validates Pacquiao's actual fear of blood being withdrawn. Think about it. If Pacquiao was taking steroids for the Morales I fight and took the blood tests/urine tests close to the fight--why did Pacquiao look mediocre? Remember, he tested negative.

I don't know could somebody explain?

However, Pacquiao should just take the tests and overcome his mental block of being weakened by drawing blood.

I don't know what you guys think---but this article actually helps Pacquiao's case. Other than Roach's hate for Murad the whole thing validates Pacquiao's actual fear of blood being withdrawn. Think about it. If Pacquiao was taking steroids for the Morales I fight and took the blood tests/urine tests close to the fight--why did Pacquiao look mediocre? Remember, he tested negative.

I don't know could somebody explain?

However, Pacquiao should just take the tests and overcome his mental block of being weakened by drawing blood.

Murad revealed that when Roach claimed the medical examination records were lost "I believed him and thought he told us the truth and took issue with the Commission, only to find out that Freddie lied."

This was random after the weigh in.
They would've found something if he had taken antything.
it appears that the Mayweathers has been keeping records.
They knew that's his weakest point.
Now they're trying to do same ****.

You do make some valid points.He was found clean.Floyd may have known about his weakness therefore using it as a psychological tactic or negotiation tactic, or both!Nevertheless, Pac's refusal to submit to the blood tests does make him look bad.

I don't know man, I'm kinda of on the fence with this whole issue, a very complicated issue to say the least.

dang, pac's been ducking blood tests since he got schooled by a washed up morales.... hmmmm....

hahahahaha...

Read the last part idiot.


which part did I miss? Idiot! read the whole article!
he took the test and tested NEGATIVE! is he on roids? NO!
EPIC FAIL TO THIS THREAD AND TO YOU AND TO FLOYD'S ACCUSATIONS!
When Pacquiao was informed early today that he had to undergo the tests he initially refused claiming that the drops put in his eyes blur his vision for about three days and it was too close to the showdown with Erik "El Terrible" Morales on Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. Another report claimed that his arm felt weak when blood was extracted. However, both promoter Bob Arum and international promoter Murad Muhammad said that the fight would not be sanctioned unless Pacquiao took the tests, forcing Pacquiao to go to the Nevada State Athletic Commission and get it done..

To Pacquiao's relief they reportedly extracted 6cc of blood while the eye drops apparently had no adverse effects. Akbar Muhammad who works for Murad Muhammad told Manila Standard Today that Pacquiao took the eye examination at 4:00 p.m after a workout in the gym and that "he seemed fine." Akbar Muhammad accompanied Z "The Dream" Gorres who also underwent a series of tests for his eight round battle with Glenn Donaire, known as the "Filipino Bomber" who has a record of 13-1 with 8 knockouts and is coming off a third round TKO over Roberto Gomez last September 25. Pacquiao himself said "this is the first fight on the card but go early and watch it because it will be a good fight."

Murad revealed that when Roach claimed the medical examination records were lost "I believed him and thought he told us the truth and took issue with the Commission, only to find out that Freddie lied."

That was Roach actual hate for the Murad, and I remember Murad was accused by Pacquiao of skimming off him. What does that have to do with Pacquiao and the recent accusations?


That has nothing to do with what I said about Pacquiao and his performance. Like I said before, fighters are sometimes weak minded in some aspects like preparing for fights. Again, I want Pacquiao to take the tests...he just needs to get over this damn fear. I'm planning to e-mail the guy.

Spoke too soon?

so you confirm you are a ******* lol

This just furthers just shows support and remains consistent with the claims of pac's fear of being weakened by blood tests. This article doesnt exactly hurt pac's reputation. Although it does make Roach look bad.

which part did i miss? Idiot! Read the whole article!
He took the test and tested negative! Is he on roids? No!
Epic fail to this thread and to you and to floyd's accusations!
when pacquiao was informed early today that he had to undergo the tests he initially refused claiming that the drops put in his eyes blur his vision for about three days and it was too close to the showdown with erik "el terrible" morales on saturday night at the mgm grand garden arena in las vegas, nevada. Another report claimed that his arm felt weak when blood was extracted. However, both promoter bob arum and international promoter murad muhammad said that the fight would not be sanctioned unless pacquiao took the tests, forcing pacquiao to go to the nevada state athletic commission and get it done..

To pacquiao's relief they reportedly extracted 6cc of blood while the eye drops apparently had no adverse effects. Akbar muhammad who works for murad muhammad told manila standard today that pacquiao took the eye examination at 4:00 p.m after a workout in the gym and that "he seemed fine." akbar muhammad accompanied z "the dream" gorres who also underwent a series of tests for his eight round battle with glenn donaire, known as the "filipino bomber" who has a record of 13-1 with 8 knockouts and is coming off a third round tko over roberto gomez last september 25. Pacquiao himself said "this is the first fight on the card but go early and watch it because it will be a good fight."

didn't manny lose this fight? No roids huh????

If this is not enough reason to validate pacman's fear of drawing blood near fight then you are a hater. I swear I will bump this thread all the time for *****s!

and the part where roach lost his medical record was the fight with JMM!

didn't manny lose this fight? No roids huh????

oh so he took the blood test and tested negative and he's still on roids?
what a dumbass GTFO

failed to submit Pacquiao to the mandatory medical examination within the prescribed 30 day period before the fight.
What fight?

*****s are retarded.
If Pac was on roids, they would've dectected it on the blood test.

oh so he took the blood test and tested negative and he's still on roids?
what a dumbass GTFO

He could have went on roids after that fight.Why don`t Pac just take the test to prove he`s clean?

oh so he took the blood test and tested negative and he's still on roids?
what a dumbass GTFO

yeah he had to flush them roids out 1st. that's why he didn't do it right away, he had cycle em out a lil longer or sonner than he wanted too....and he lost!

This just furthers just shows support and remains consistent with the claims of pac's fear of being weakened by blood tests. This article doesnt exactly hurt pac's reputation. Although it does make Roach look bad.


That's why PAC remains on his stand not to accept blood testing on the day of the fight. It's his weakness .The Mayweathers knows that and they're using it to their advantage.
PAC agreed to take the blood testing before and immediately in the dressing room after the fight but NOT a day or two before the fight.

He could have went on roids after that fight.Why don`t Pac just take the test to prove he`s clean?

This article just prove that pacman's fear of drawing blood near the fight excuse is REAL.

That was Roach actual hate for the Murad, and I remember Murad was accused by Pacquiao of skimming off him. What does that have to do with Pacquiao and the recent accusations?


That has nothing to do with what I said about Pacquiao and his performance. Like I said before, fighters are sometimes weak minded in some aspects like preparing for fights. Again, I want Pacquiao to take the tests...he just needs to get over this damn fear. I'm planning to e-mail the guy.

The point that is trying to be conveyed is that Roach lied then and is possibly lying now, don't trust what he says. And for Pacquiao, it shows he's been making useless excuses to avoid blood test. Why is that? Because there are ways around passing test when there are set dates ya know. And...an athlete should not be forced to take any kind of test to prove he's clean. He should be all for it to show his respect for the sport and his fans.

He could have went on roids after that fight.Why don`t Pac just take the test to prove he`s clean?

they test every fighter for steroids AFTER the fight you idiot.

That's why PAC remains on his stand not to accept blood testing on the day of the fight. It's his weakness .The Mayweathers knows that and they're using it to their advantage.
PAC agreed to take the blood testing before and immediately in the dressing room after the fight but NOT a day or two before the fight.

Pacquiao took a blood test before the hatton fight without any hesitation or fear and it was`nt random.So the fact that he knew when the test was gonna be conducted gave him time for the roids to clear out his blood or find a waty to clear it out his blood.That`s why Pac does`nt want the test to be random.

*****s are retarded.
If Pac was on roids, they would've dectected it on the blood test.

they test every fighter for steroids AFTER the fight you idiot.

You're either slow or not getting it....

That's why PAC remains on his stand not to accept blood testing on the day of the fight. It's his weakness .The Mayweathers knows that and they're using it to their advantage.
PAC agreed to take the blood testing before and immediately in the dressing room after the fight but NOT a day or two before the fight.

it's his weakness.lol a teaspoon...yall Manny fans really think he a super hero!

they test every fighter for steroids AFTER the fight you idiot.

I mean`t he probably started using Roids after the fight meaning for his opponent after the Morales or whenever after the Morales fight.

HAHAHHAA... this all started back in 2005 and Morales still whooped his ass with steroids!@

Only a blind hater would say this article hurt pacman, this article is great proof why pacman don't want blood drawing near the fight. He feels it will weaken him.

This article just prove that pacman's fear of drawing blood near the fight excuse is REAL.

He fears blood test but he took a blood test for the Hatton fight?Makes no sense.

The point is Pac is afraid of a random test without a cutoff date.The fact that he`s only willing to take a test in the condition of a cutoff date of his liking is what makes him suspicious.

yeah he had to flush them roids out 1st. that's why he didn't do it right away, he had cycle em out a lil longer or sonner than he wanted too....and he lost!

lol that was a random blood test! did you even read?
GTFO

He fears blood test but he took a blood test for the Hatton fight?Makes no sense.

The point is Pac is afraid of a random test without a cutoff date.The fact that he`s only willing to take a test in the condition of a cutoff date of his liking is what makes him suspicious.

WTF are u talking about he don't want blood test near the fight. He had bad experience with that he lost to morales and that excuse is valid. This article proves it.

He fears blood test but he took a blood test for the Hatton fight?Makes no sense.

The point is Pac is afraid of a random test without a cutoff date.The fact that he`s only willing to take a test in the condition of a cutoff date of his liking is what makes him suspicious.

Pac took both the random blood test during Pacquiao-Morales
and the Pacquiao-Hatton blood test
and tested negative in both and according to you *****s he's still in roids

the Point is your boy gayweather is afraid to face pac and demands ridiculous things such a random blood test to detect HGH which is obviously BULL**** according to experts
here's the link btw http://philboxing.com/news/story-31983.html

and if it's not HGH your boy is looking for then what is it? marijuana? what other substance can't you detect from a urine test that you could detect from a blood test? if it's not HGH then you should tell other *****s like you to stop posting threads about HGH!


:spank:

wow manny doesnt look good right now...AT ALL...

I mean`t he probably started using Roids after the fight meaning for his opponent after the Morales or whenever after the Morales fight.

so you're ignoring the fact that PAC was also destroying all his opponents before the Morales fight.Was he on steroids too then?

Or you *****s don't know that because you kids only started watching boxing this year.

All speculation. He took the tests and passed. Also, eye drops can leave you blurry eyed for more than a day.

All speculation. He took the tests and passed. Also, eye drops can leave you blurry eyed for more than a day.

This is true. Phenylephrine makes my vision cloudy for a lot longer than the 4-8 hour window they tell you. ****ers.

lol that was a random blood test! did you even read?
GTFO

how was it random and he said no 1st and then tooks it days later.


but in all seriousness, if he would just take the damn test and shut everybody up. then we could get on to the fight!

flhomos are crying like *****es LOL :bottle: LOL

Why would May fans cry? LOL

2005?
hes been suspect for that long ... yipes

This is true. Phenylephrine makes my vision cloudy for a lot longer than the 4-8 hour window they tell you. ****ers.

hahahaha:bottle:

hmmm..hoping the fight want go thru..Mosley vs Manny is the fight :boxing:

Murad's still around?

SON OF A *****! :nana:

Damn...................

2005 eh?

Bump worthy!

lmaoooooo:)

Ring Magazine and IBA featherweight champion Manny Pacquiao was today forced to take a blood test and an eye examination by the Nevada State Athletic Commission after they discovered that trainer Freddie Roach and the new management team headed by Shelly Finkel had failed to submit Pacquiao to the mandatory medical examination within the prescribed 30 day period before the fight.

When Pacquiao was informed early today that he had to undergo the tests he initially refused claiming that the drops put in his eyes blur his vision for about three days and it was too close to the showdown with Erik "El Terrible" Morales on Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. Another report claimed that his arm felt weak when blood was extracted. However, both promoter Bob Arum and international promoter Murad Muhammad said that the fight would not be sanctioned unless Pacquiao took the tests, forcing Pacquiao to go to the Nevada State Athletic Commission and get it done.. [details (http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=871)]

lol@ not wanting to take eye drops:sleeping:

funny how every ******* didn't response to this guy post its Pacroid own fault this got out of hand he is loseing public opinion and the longer he waits the worst it will get

I just proved your silly post wrong, idiot. Maybe in your twisted world being rational equates to being retarded but not here.

Everyone else here is pointing out facts to support their arguments. All you're doing is taking it personally and name-calling everyone. You're the one who started saying "get a girlfriend, Mayweather fans" and all that bull****. Obviously, this is striking a nerve with you if you have to resort to that kind of talk. Spit the facts with us or get off the forum.

what facts?

This was a general physical exam blood test for certification. Just like the one before the Hatton fight. PED's are not performed on general physical exams.

wooow. pac just talked about this on tv a day ago explaining his side to the story. theres two sides to a story. with all the court and all going on the truth will come out. roids or not. all of a sudden internet boxing junkies become detectives. man cmon.

The point that is trying to be conveyed is that Roach lied then and is possibly lying now, don't trust what he says. And for Pacquiao, it shows he's been making useless excuses to avoid blood test. Why is that? Because there are ways around passing test when there are set dates ya know. And...an athlete should not be forced to take any kind of test to prove he's clean. He should be all for it to show his respect for the sport and his fans.

I don't think I've ever heard Pacquiao say he doesn't want the blood test. And you're inserting baseless claims and making it out like it's valid. There's two sides to the story.

this just shows that PAC really dont like to be tested during training period...

I don't think I've ever heard Pacquiao say he doesn't want the blood test. And you're inserting baseless claims and making it out like it's valid. There's two sides to the story.

Manny wanted to take the test with a cut off date. First it was 30 days, then it was a week. My point is that he keeps switching **** up like Roach is because they really don't want the fight themselves. A CLEAN ATHLETE WOULD TAKE A TEST NO MATTER WHEN IT IS, IF HE'S CLEAN. What part of that is baseless and not understandable?

A CLEAN ATHLETE WOULD TAKE A TEST NO MATTER WHEN IT IS, IF HE'S CLEAN.

What part of that is baseless and not understandable?

The first part? (Suggesting Manny isn't a clean athlete).

LOL. Self-ownage.

Manny wanted to take the test with a cut off date. First it was 30 days, then it was a week. My point is that he keeps switching **** up like Roach is because they really don't want the fight themselves. A CLEAN ATHLETE WOULD TAKE A TEST NO MATTER WHEN IT IS, IF HE'S CLEAN. What part of that is baseless and not understandable?

Again, you're inserting a claim without actually looking at both sides of the argument--so it's a bit bias to refer to the word "clean" to suggest something amiss with the whole situation with Pacquiao.

Should Pacquiao take the blood test regardless of his reasons---yes. Does have he have a reasonable explanation on why he thinks there should be a cut off date? --Yes.

Like somebody else posted. Before the Morales I fight--Pacquiao had to redue a blood test because of a medical error. He already gave a vile roughly 30 days earlier. A second sample was taken --the doctor advised Pacquiao to drink fluids. However Pacquiao was in the process of dehydrating in order to make weight and he wasn't able to. Pacquiao's feeling of temporary wooziness of blood being taken was compounded by the experience of dehydrating. Therefore the act of taking blood near a fight makes Pacquiao believe it will weaken him. That's why this guy has no problem taking the blood test 30 days away from the fight because in his head--it will be enough time for his body to recoup. I do believe he was both affected mentally/physically for Morales 1 due to the incident because even if he was on PEDs for that fight, he shouldn't have been so dead tired only after a few rounds.

I understand he's reasons now but somebody needs to tell Pacquiao it will be only a teaspoon/tablesppon not what NSAC usually takes which is pretty large amount if you look at 24/7.

The fact that this was pre-floyd Sr and only one month before James Toney was caught for steroids is bad news for Roach and Pacquiao.

This lawsuit will destroy him, and its kinda sad really.

Again, you're inserting a claim without actually looking at both sides of the argument--so it's a bit bias to refer to the word "clean" to suggest something amiss with the whole situation with Pacquiao.

Should Pacquiao take the blood test regardless of his reasons---yes. Does have he have a reasonable explanation on why he thinks there should be a cut off date? --Yes.

Like somebody else posted. Before the Morales I fight--Pacquiao had to redue a blood test because of a medical error. He already gave a vile roughly 30 days earlier. A second sample was taken --the doctor advised Pacquiao to drink fluids. However Pacquiao was in the process of dehydrating in order to make weight and he wasn't able to. Pacquiao's feeling of temporary wooziness of blood being taken was compounded by the experience of dehydrating. Therefore the act of taking blood near a fight makes Pacquiao believe it will weaken him. That's why this guy has no problem taking the blood test 30 days away from the fight because in his head--it will be enough time for his body to recoup. I do believe he was both affected mentally/physically for Morales 1 due to the incident because even if he was on PEDs for that fight, he shouldn't have been so dead tired only after a few rounds.

I understand he's reasons now but somebody needs to tell Pacquiao it will be only a teaspoon/tablesppon not what NSAC usually takes which is pretty large amount if you look at 24/7.

Understood now gotcha. But I think he should take the test because if he doesn't, it makes him look bad...I'm just saying.

The first part? (Suggesting Manny isn't a clean athlete).

LOL. Self-ownage.

Bob Arum and Team Pacquiao made it appear and suggest that he isn't, not me.

I bet all of you Pacquiao haters are pleasuring yourself to this thread right now. How sad.




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Don't believe him pachaters, Cotto's win over Mosley made me feel better than my first GF. True story.:wank:

Ok, Pacquiao was informed about the blood test and eye exam and he initially refused because he claimed the eye drops blurred his vision for three days and it was too close to the fight with Morales.

After the “test”, he was found to be fine. No problem with the eye drops.

In fact, Mark Ratner stated that “We’re not going to let him take an unnecessary eye examination if he already had one.”

When they were trying to find out how Pacquiao felt after the “test”, some Joe Ramos blocked access to Manny and stated he had “no comment” and claimed Pacquiao was asleep.

6cc’s of blood is about a teaspoonful.

Was this to test for drugs or for something else? Because there is nothing in the article indicating that he passed or didn’t passed a “drug test“. It just indicates that the medical records were lost, according to Roach’s claim, but suddenly appeared when an ex-FBI agent requested and was granted access to them by
a doctor in Los Angeles.

The fact that Team Pacquiao were faxed the notice to undergo the test/medical exam by the NSAC, and it was neglected, adds more fuel to the controversy.

Ok, Pacquiao was informed about the blood test and eye exam and he initially refused because he claimed the eye drops blurred his vision for three days and it was too close to the fight with Morales.

After the “test”, he was found to be fine. No problem with the eye drops.

In fact, Mark Ratner stated that “We’re not going to let him take an unnecessary eye examination if he already had one.”

When they were trying to find out how Pacquiao felt after the “test”, some Joe Ramos blocked access to Manny and stated he had “no comment” and claimed Pacquiao was asleep.

6cc’s of blood is about a teaspoonful.

Was this to test for drugs or for something else? Because there is nothing in the article indicating that he passed or didn’t passed a “drug test“. It just indicates that the medical records were lost, according to Roach’s claim, but suddenly appeared when an ex-FBI agent requested and was granted access to them by
a doctor in Los Angeles.

The fact that Team Pacquiao were faxed the notice to undergo the test/medical exam by the NSAC, and it was neglected, adds more fuel to the controversy.

As you stated--this was basically a medical examination. The article never states that it was a drug test, which goes back to the issue of Pacquiao using PEDs against Morales. If he was on say EPO in the first fight--why did Pacquiao look so tired after 2/3 rounds? How about HGH, Winstrol, or some type of steroid to counter that argument?-- because steroids is known to make you winded. However, in 2005, Roach was training James Toney. Some have claimed that Roach gave Toney steroids---so why wasn't Pacquiao caught like Toney and other guys like Vargas? (We later find out that Toney was prescribed medication which contained steroid ingredients to recover from his operation).

So this leads undetectable PEDs, right? You can argue Roach lying but that doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

And I agree, 6cc is a small amount and I hope Manny takes the test. He needs to get the freakin' head in the game and stop relating the blood test with how he feels during the week he has to dehydrate like he did for Morales 1. That's why he doesn't want to take blood test near a fight. To me, he really has psyched himself out on this issue.

By the way, if it is truly 6cc, Dominicano Soy! needs to stop posting that it's some huge vile of blood that was taken from Pacquiao in the Hatton fight--to support his claim that Pacquiao is not affraid of blood being withdrawn.

Understood now gotcha. But I think he should take the test because if he doesn't, it makes him look bad...I'm just saying.

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As you stated--this was basically a medical examination. The article never states that it was a drug test, which goes back to the issue of Pacquiao using PEDs against Morales. If he was on say EPO in the first fight--why did Pacquiao look so tired after 2/3 rounds? How about HGH, Winstrol, or some type of steroid to counter that argument?-- because steroids is known to make you winded. However, in 2005, Roach was training James Toney. Some have claimed that Roach gave Toney steroids---so why wasn't Pacquiao caught like Toney and other guys like Vargas? (We later find out that Toney was prescribed medication which contained steroid ingredients to recover from his operation).

So this leads undetectable PEDs, right? You can argue Roach lying but that doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

And I agree, 6cc is a small amount and I hope Manny takes the test. He needs to get the freakin' head in the game and stop relating the blood test with how he feels during the week he has to dehydrate like he did for Morales 1. That's why he doesn't want to take blood test near a fight. To me, he really has psyched himself out on this issue.

By the way, if it is truly 6cc, Dominicano Soy! needs to stop posting that it's some huge vile of blood that was taken from Pacquiao in the Hatton fight--to support his claim that Pacquiao is not affraid of blood being withdrawn.

Actually, it appeared to be a tube of blood drawn from Pacquiao before the Hatton fight.

Pacquiao didn't eat.
Pacquiao was already on the 130 mark he didn't want to go over.
He instead went to sleep.

See the ****ING difference?

A good example of Pac refused....he was forced tested and still came out clean.

A good example of Pac refused....he was forced tested and still came out clean.

Where does it state that he took a drug test and not a medical exam? Let me know.

Where does it state that he took a drug test and not a medical exam? Let me know.

Oh so the medical test and extraction of blood does not include tetsing for enhancement drugs done by NSAC?? Ok.

Oh so the medical test and extraction of blood does not include tetsing for enhancement drugs done by NSAC?? Ok.

NSAC does drug testing with blood?

NSAC does drug testing with blood?

I don't know but the Nevada commision was the one who asked Pac to have his blood drawn.

Actually, it appeared to be a tube of blood drawn from Pacquiao before the Hatton fight.

Whish one is it? A vile of blood or a tablespoon? This was NSAC who took the 2005 sample right? Does this suggest NSAC increased the volume from a tablespoon to a tube of blood?

Whish one is it? A vile of blood or a tablespoon? This was NSAC who took the 2005 sample right? Does this suggest NSAC increased the volume from a tablespoon to a tube of blood?
Tablespoon(few tablespoons according to GBP) or not it does affect him psychologically.

Tablespoon(few tablespoons according to GBP) or not it does affect him psychologically.

It's teaspoons.

Blood test > Manny Pacquiao

It's teaspoons.
It's tablespoon according to this article.

http://www.mayweather-pacquiao.com/oscar-de-la-hoya-if-pacquiao-has-nothing-to-hide-take-drug-test/

Blood test > Manny Pacquiao
lol yeah, you're right :D

It's tablespoon according to this article.

http://www.mayweather-pacquiao.com/oscar-de-la-hoya-if-pacquiao-has-nothing-to-hide-take-drug-test/

According to Travis Tygart, the chief executive of Usada, the test requires less than a teaspoon of blood. Ellerbe also confirmed it was a teaspoon. There might have been an error but it's a teaspoon.

i think this guy murad was the one who tried to hustle pac's pay in the first morales fight.......**** him

Not taking a random blood test might as well prove your guilt. That's how the mainstream fans are viewing this right now. If you are a Pacquiao fan, why don't you want the truth? Aren't you curious to know whether you've been supporting an all-time great or a fraud? I'd want to know if it had been Corrales, my favorite fighter ever.

I agree.It may not show 100% guilt,but it points that way. It's like the police pulling over a drunk driver and the driver refusing to take the breathalyzer test.It leaves too much doubt and suspicion in people's eyes...

According to Travis Tygart, the chief executive of Usada, the test requires less than a teaspoon of blood. Ellerbe also confirmed it was a teaspoon. There might have been an error but it's a teaspoon.
Well few teaspoons or w/e is just as equivalent to a vial imo. Below is some info. on how much blood is getting drawn in Olympic style testing.

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=ewCZ5qLB9Q8C&pg=PA255&lpg=PA255&dq=olympic+blood+testing+how+many+ml%3F&source=bl&ots=zLJ8_VoAKE&sig=8-Y8hj1HBoSZoG-Ze-DTT_sREjw&hl=tl&ei=O29OS_DVFMqHkAXY8-GnDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CCoQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=vili&f=false

I agree.It may not show 100% guilt,but it points that way. It's like the police pulling over a drunk driver and the driver refusing to take the breathalyzer test.It leaves too much doubt and suspicion in people's eyes...

No, its more like a driver with an impeccable record who has been following all the driving rules put before him being asked to submit to a search and breathalyzer test. I'd be pissed too and I'd ask why I'm being singled out for this.

that is a wrong analogy. Mayweather aint the police! NSAC is, and AFAIK pac has no complaints on NSAC's drug testing routine.

that is a wrong analogy. Mayweather aint the police! NSAC is, and AFAIK pac has no complaints on NSAC's drug testing routine.

Whatever-it is only an example.If you are emotionally bound to a certain fighter,maybe it's your problem.

No, its more like a driver with an impeccable record who has been following all the driving rules put before him being asked to submit to a search and breathalyzer test. I'd be pissed too and I'd ask why I'm being singled out for this.

You are too quick to assume one way or another-.
The point is simple-though not guilty,if the tests aren't strictly conducted or accepted by the party in suspicion,then it casts more doubts.It makes them appear unreliable,discredited and dishonest-even if they are innocent.Tell me how refusal improves the situation at hand??? It doesn't-especially when there is a 30-50 million dollar "carrot" hanging above your head for proving there will be fair play-they do fight for money don't they???
To use pride,superstitions,phobias,etc as some have suggested as a form of barrier is insulting-especially when the same person is portrayed as humble and without shame.I can see value in both sides,but honestly resisting to the demands just seems to have done more harm than good...is a lawsuit going to repair damaged pride or the perception of Manny's reputation ( as a warrior type figure) by the fans who are also duped into believing he is a man who is simple and humble...the case is,as I have said,tough to win at best and at worst,puts a damper on Manny as a fighter who will fight anyone,yet is scared of a request that benifits all involved.

that is a wrong analogy. Mayweather aint the police! NSAC is, and AFAIK pac has no complaints on NSAC's drug testing routine.

For a fight of this magnitude and this level-there are bound to be unusual requests-Manny's request was for $10,000,000 for Floyd being a fraction of a pound over the agreed weight-that serves Manny exclusively.I believe a petty random blood test with a closing time of 2 weeks before the fight serves ALL people involved if everyone is clean-is this really as selfish as you are making it out to be and why is this an offensive request if both parties conformed to it???

No, its more like a driver with an impeccable record who has been following all the driving rules put before him being asked to submit to a search and breathalyzer test. I'd be pissed too and I'd ask why I'm being singled out for this.

By the way,it is important to note the difference in being "not guilty" and "innocent"."Not guilty" only means no conclusive evidence whether you committed an offense or not. It does not specifically mean or presume innocence.

I wonder if a simple hair strand analysis could determine PEDs and if there would have been any excuses made...

ROACH said that MUHAMED ***git tried to steal PACQUIAO from him.

hahahahaha

i cant believe how stupid can people possibly be. :D


if anything. this is a proof that Pacquiao is clean. he took the blood test just 3 days before the fight got tested after the fight and came out clean..


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