View Full Version : Who can beat a prime Lennox Lewis?


STILL_DETOX
10-06-2009, 11:50 PM
seriously...

Obama
10-06-2009, 11:55 PM
George Foreman would be at the top of my list. Maybe even an old George Foreman.

STILL_DETOX
10-07-2009, 12:39 AM
George Foreman would be at the top of my list. Maybe even an old George Foreman.

hahaha nice one

Bushidō
10-07-2009, 02:22 AM
seriously...

Do you think Ibeabuchi could? or at least give him a run for his money

STILL_DETOX
10-07-2009, 02:25 AM
Do you think Ibeabuchi could? or at least give him a run for his moneydefinitely a run for his money. the guy was a monster

JAB5239
10-07-2009, 02:53 AM
definitely a run for his money. the guy was a monster

DETOX, if Tyson was overrated, how can you call Ike a monster? The guy showed potential, yes, but that is all. Two wins over very short heavyweights hardly qualifies him to even be mentioned with Lennox Lewis.

trlove
10-07-2009, 03:09 AM
I think larry holmes had a shot and so did ali

Infern0
10-07-2009, 03:15 AM
Holmes is a 50/50 fight.

Frazier and Ali probably win 3/5 times.

Mersey
10-07-2009, 04:10 AM
Ali
Holmes
Frazier and Tyson could beat him but I see Lewis getting the better of them.
I think Lewis would beat Foreman

Oh yeah, Rahman and Mccall :rofl:

sonnyboyx2
10-07-2009, 04:43 AM
seriously...
Lots of great heavyweight fighters from the past would have little trouble beating a prime Lennox Lewis, if Rahman & McCall could both put Lewis to sleep then Lewis against the greats of the past is quite easily sorted out.. The thing with Lennox Lewis is that he is idolized by British & Canadian fans, those fans are new to the sport of boxing and will claim that Lewis would beat almost any fighter in history even Muhammad Ali, they base their case on Lewis being "To Big" which is ridiculous... Through out his career Lewis was an oppotunist who never ever fought any of his opponents when that opponent was at the top of their game, Lewis always chose to fight fighters who had been exposed as "Not a Threat" and fighters who was on the downside of their careers..
Ruddock - Damaged Goods after 2 brutal beatings from Tyson
Tucker - recovering Junkie and shadow of former self
Butler - more defeats than wins on his record
Fortune - pathetic match-up
Jackson - Class C fighter unworthy of title fight
Bruno - on the slide and gave Lewis a lesson in jabbing & ringsmarts
Tua - Fattest man to ever fight for the title
Mavrovich - who?
Botha - Steroid abuser not worthy of title fight
Golota - Tranquilized by doctors in dressing room after taking panic attack
McCall - Only days out of Drug-Rehab and in no condition to box
Rahman - Bum unworthy of title shot yet poleaxes Lewis
Tyson - more than a decade past his best, shell of former great
Holyfield - Yrs past best and "Robbed" of decision in rematch
Grant - Exposed after being floored by Golota, undeserving of title shot
Morrison - HIV

All the above fighters was on the slide and chosen by Lewis so as to avoid all the top fighters who was at the top of their game from 92-2004 Lewis turned down fights with Riddick Bowe in 93 & 95, Tyson in 96, Corrie Sanders in 96, Then undefeated WBO Champion Herbie Hide 94-96 Holmes in 93, Moorer in 95.. Lewis stood 1ins taller than Muhammad Ali with Ali fighting many fighters who measured up to Lewis in size and defeating them all as did Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Dempsey & Marciano, if journeymen Rahman & McCall could put Lewis lights out then the ATGs would smash his lamp into a million pieces.. it is laughable to claim Lewis beats Foreman of 73 or Frazier of 67-71 when he struggled to beat an old Frank Bruno and was fortunate against Ray Mercer & an old Holyfield in their rematch.
Lennox Lewis was stripped of every version of the title for refusing to fight the No1 contenders in John Ruiz (WBA) Chris Byrd (IBF) Vitali Klitschko (WBC) with Lewis promising the boxing world he would face Vitali in a rematch yet dragging out his title reign for 18 months before announcing his retirement only days before he was due to be stripped... Lewis was also in the proccess of sueing Mike Tyson over Tyson not accepting their rematch clause even tho it was clear to every boxing fan worlwide that Mike Tyson was no longer a top flight fighter but a mere shell of the once great fighter he was 15yrs earlier... Lewis turned down the largest purse offer in pro sports history a staggering $35 million + PPV to fight newly crowned WBA champion and ex middleweight king Roy Jones jr.... regardless of who you think would have won that fight, Lennox Lewis never fancied his chances..... The above assesment of the oppotunist career of Lennox Lewis leaves a lot to be desired when the question is asked "How would Lewis do against the greats of the past" --- The answer is, Not very well

Mersey
10-07-2009, 05:05 AM
Lots of great heavyweight fighters from the past would have little trouble beating a prime Lennox Lewis, if Rahman & McCall could both put Lewis to sleep then Lewis against the greats of the past is quite easily sorted out.. The thing with Lennox Lewis is that he is idolized by British & Canadian fans, those fans are new to the sport of boxing and will claim that Lewis would beat almost any fighter in history even Muhammad Ali, they base their case on Lewis being "To Big" which is ridiculous... Through out his career Lewis was an oppotunist who never ever fought any of his opponents when that opponent was at the top of their game, Lewis always chose to fight fighters who had been exposed as "Not a Threat" and fighters who was on the downside of their careers..
Ruddock - Damaged Goods after 2 brutal beatings from Tyson
Tucker - recovering Junkie and shadow of former self
Butler - more defeats than wins on his record
Fortune - pathetic match-up
Jackson - Class C fighter unworthy of title fight
Bruno - on the slide and gave Lewis a lesson in jabbing & ringsmarts
Tua - Fattest man to ever fight for the title
Mavrovich - who?
Botha - Steroid abuser not worthy of title fight
Golota - Tranquilized by doctors in dressing room after taking panic attack
McCall - Only days out of Drug-Rehab and in no condition to box
Rahman - Bum unworthy of title shot yet poleaxes Lewis
Tyson - more than a decade past his best, shell of former great
Holyfield - Yrs past best and "Robbed" of decision in rematch
Grant - Exposed after being floored by Golota, undeserving of title shot
Morrison - HIV

All the above fighters was on the slide and chosen by Lewis so as to avoid all the top fighters who was at the top of their game from 92-2004 Lewis turned down fights with Riddick Bowe in 93 & 95, Tyson in 96, Corrie Sanders in 96, Then undefeated WBO Champion Herbie Hide 94-96 Holmes in 93, Moorer in 95.. Lewis stood 1ins taller than Muhammad Ali with Ali fighting many fighters who measured up to Lewis in size and defeating them all as did Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Dempsey & Marciano, if journeymen Rahman & McCall could put Lewis lights out then the ATGs would smash his lamp into a million pieces.. it is laughable to claim Lewis beats Foreman of 73 or Frazier of 67-71 when he struggled to beat an old Frank Bruno and was fortunate against Ray Mercer & an old Holyfield in their rematch.
Lennox Lewis was stripped of every version of the title for refusing to fight the No1 contenders in John Ruiz (WBA) Chris Byrd (IBF) Vitali Klitschko (WBC) with Lewis promising the boxing world he would face Vitali in a rematch yet dragging out his title reign for 18 months before announcing his retirement only days before he was due to be stripped... Lewis was also in the proccess of sueing Mike Tyson over Tyson not accepting their rematch clause even tho it was clear to every boxing fan worlwide that Mike Tyson was no longer a top flight fighter but a mere shell of the once great fighter he was 15yrs earlier... Lewis turned down the largest purse offer in pro sports history a staggering $35 million + PPV to fight newly crowned WBA champion and ex middleweight king Roy Jones jr.... regardless of who you think would have won that fight, Lennox Lewis never fancied his chances..... The above assesment of the oppotunist career of Lennox Lewis leaves a lot to be desired when the question is asked "How would Lewis do against the greats of the past" --- The answer is, Not very well

Why don't you copy and paste this? You must type the same thing everyday :rofl:

RightCross94
10-07-2009, 06:29 AM
Lots of great heavyweight fighters from the past would have little trouble beating a prime Lennox Lewis, if Rahman & McCall could both put Lewis to sleep then Lewis against the greats of the past is quite easily sorted out.. The thing with Lennox Lewis is that he is idolized by British & Canadian fans, those fans are new to the sport of boxing and will claim that Lewis would beat almost any fighter in history even Muhammad Ali, they base their case on Lewis being "To Big" which is ridiculous... Through out his career Lewis was an oppotunist who never ever fought any of his opponents when that opponent was at the top of their game, Lewis always chose to fight fighters who had been exposed as "Not a Threat" and fighters who was on the downside of their careers..
Ruddock - Damaged Goods after 2 brutal beatings from Tyson
Tucker - recovering Junkie and shadow of former self
Butler - more defeats than wins on his record
Fortune - pathetic match-up
Jackson - Class C fighter unworthy of title fight
Bruno - on the slide and gave Lewis a lesson in jabbing & ringsmarts
Tua - Fattest man to ever fight for the title
Mavrovich - who?
Botha - Steroid abuser not worthy of title fight
Golota - Tranquilized by doctors in dressing room after taking panic attack
McCall - Only days out of Drug-Rehab and in no condition to box
Rahman - Bum unworthy of title shot yet poleaxes Lewis
Tyson - more than a decade past his best, shell of former great
Holyfield - Yrs past best and "Robbed" of decision in rematch
Grant - Exposed after being floored by Golota, undeserving of title shot
Morrison - HIV

All the above fighters was on the slide and chosen by Lewis so as to avoid all the top fighters who was at the top of their game from 92-2004 Lewis turned down fights with Riddick Bowe in 93 & 95, Tyson in 96, Corrie Sanders in 96, Then undefeated WBO Champion Herbie Hide 94-96 Holmes in 93, Moorer in 95.. Lewis stood 1ins taller than Muhammad Ali with Ali fighting many fighters who measured up to Lewis in size and defeating them all as did Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Dempsey & Marciano, if journeymen Rahman & McCall could put Lewis lights out then the ATGs would smash his lamp into a million pieces.. it is laughable to claim Lewis beats Foreman of 73 or Frazier of 67-71 when he struggled to beat an old Frank Bruno and was fortunate against Ray Mercer & an old Holyfield in their rematch.
Lennox Lewis was stripped of every version of the title for refusing to fight the No1 contenders in John Ruiz (WBA) Chris Byrd (IBF) Vitali Klitschko (WBC) with Lewis promising the boxing world he would face Vitali in a rematch yet dragging out his title reign for 18 months before announcing his retirement only days before he was due to be stripped... Lewis was also in the proccess of sueing Mike Tyson over Tyson not accepting their rematch clause even tho it was clear to every boxing fan worlwide that Mike Tyson was no longer a top flight fighter but a mere shell of the once great fighter he was 15yrs earlier... Lewis turned down the largest purse offer in pro sports history a staggering $35 million + PPV to fight newly crowned WBA champion and ex middleweight king Roy Jones jr.... regardless of who you think would have won that fight, Lennox Lewis never fancied his chances..... The above assesment of the oppotunist career of Lennox Lewis leaves a lot to be desired when the question is asked "How would Lewis do against the greats of the past" --- The answer is, Not very well

..............So I take it you're not a fan then :lol1:

sonnyboyx2
10-07-2009, 07:39 AM
..............So I take it you're not a fan then :lol1:

i would not say i am not a fan, ive seen him fight live` several times, Ruddock, Mason, Bruno, McCrory, McCall.. but what sticks in my mind most about Lewis is the McCall (1) fight, he was `Bombed - Out` by McCall and the fight was correctly stopped, Lewis had to be helped down the ring steps by his brother and handlers 5 minutes after the stoppage, as he passed not more than 3ft away from me i could see he was still out of it, his eyes was `Glass` and he could barely walk... How many others did McCall do that too? How many other ATGs would McCall have bombed out like he did Lewis, The Bruno fight in Cardiff i have to say that IMO Lewis was a very fortunate winner.

Benncollinsaad
10-07-2009, 08:19 AM
Lots of great heavyweight fighters from the past would have little trouble beating a prime Lennox Lewis, if Rahman & McCall could both put Lewis to sleep then Lewis against the greats of the past is quite easily sorted out.. The thing with Lennox Lewis is that he is idolized by British & Canadian fans, those fans are new to the sport of boxing and will claim that Lewis would beat almost any fighter in history even Muhammad Ali, they base their case on Lewis being "To Big" which is ridiculous... Through out his career Lewis was an oppotunist who never ever fought any of his opponents when that opponent was at the top of their game, Lewis always chose to fight fighters who had been exposed as "Not a Threat" and fighters who was on the downside of their careers..
Ruddock - Damaged Goods after 2 brutal beatings from Tyson
Tucker - recovering Junkie and shadow of former self
Butler - more defeats than wins on his record
Fortune - pathetic match-up
Jackson - Class C fighter unworthy of title fight
Bruno - on the slide and gave Lewis a lesson in jabbing & ringsmarts
Tua - Fattest man to ever fight for the title
Mavrovich - who?
Botha - Steroid abuser not worthy of title fight
Golota - Tranquilized by doctors in dressing room after taking panic attack
McCall - Only days out of Drug-Rehab and in no condition to box
Rahman - Bum unworthy of title shot yet poleaxes Lewis
Tyson - more than a decade past his best, shell of former great
Holyfield - Yrs past best and "Robbed" of decision in rematch
Grant - Exposed after being floored by Golota, undeserving of title shot
Morrison - HIV

All the above fighters was on the slide and chosen by Lewis so as to avoid all the top fighters who was at the top of their game from 92-2004 Lewis turned down fights with Riddick Bowe in 93 & 95, Tyson in 96, Corrie Sanders in 96, Then undefeated WBO Champion Herbie Hide 94-96 Holmes in 93, Moorer in 95.. Lewis stood 1ins taller than Muhammad Ali with Ali fighting many fighters who measured up to Lewis in size and defeating them all as did Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Dempsey & Marciano, if journeymen Rahman & McCall could put Lewis lights out then the ATGs would smash his lamp into a million pieces.. it is laughable to claim Lewis beats Foreman of 73 or Frazier of 67-71 when he struggled to beat an old Frank Bruno and was fortunate against Ray Mercer & an old Holyfield in their rematch.
Lennox Lewis was stripped of every version of the title for refusing to fight the No1 contenders in John Ruiz (WBA) Chris Byrd (IBF) Vitali Klitschko (WBC) with Lewis promising the boxing world he would face Vitali in a rematch yet dragging out his title reign for 18 months before announcing his retirement only days before he was due to be stripped... Lewis was also in the proccess of sueing Mike Tyson over Tyson not accepting their rematch clause even tho it was clear to every boxing fan worlwide that Mike Tyson was no longer a top flight fighter but a mere shell of the once great fighter he was 15yrs earlier... Lewis turned down the largest purse offer in pro sports history a staggering $35 million + PPV to fight newly crowned WBA champion and ex middleweight king Roy Jones jr.... regardless of who you think would have won that fight, Lennox Lewis never fancied his chances..... The above assesment of the oppotunist career of Lennox Lewis leaves a lot to be desired when the question is asked "How would Lewis do against the greats of the past" --- The answer is, Not very well

:fing02: Your best post yet. Lennox Lewis was a turd. Oversized, lumbering turd. And the face he made before every fight! I just wanna smack him with something every time I watch one of his fights...which I don't do too often anymore.

He thought there was nobody like him. Bet he even thought Ali and Louis were nothing compared to him. Prick.

talip bin osman
10-07-2009, 10:18 AM
i remember some german guy with a mohawk...

a significantly smaller fighter than him & he almost beat lennox...

mrboxer
10-07-2009, 10:34 AM
a lot of fighters would be able to beat him because of his glass jaw,here are a couple,foreman,holyfield:boxing:

Ziggy Stardust
10-07-2009, 10:37 AM
Holmes is a 50/50 fight.

Frazier and Ali probably win 3/5 times.

:bigeyes: Did you just type this? Who are you and what did you do to Inferno? :omfg: Am saving this post for posterity :rofl:

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
10-07-2009, 10:39 AM
:fing02: Your best post yet. Lennox Lewis was a turd. Oversized, lumbering turd. And the face he made before every fight! I just wanna smack him with something every time I watch one of his fights...which I don't do too often anymore.

He thought there was nobody like him. Bet he even thought Ali and Louis were nothing compared to him. Prick.

No more oversized and lumbering than the Klitchskos and a more accomplished fighter than either.

Poet

Czarek
10-07-2009, 10:51 AM
ali everytime and everywhere :):)

IMDAZED
10-07-2009, 11:16 AM
Larry Holmes

Southpaw Stinger
10-07-2009, 11:49 AM
His mother wasn't one to be ****ed with.

Jamaican mothers > Prime Tyson

J.Dempsey
10-07-2009, 12:01 PM
prime tyson would whoop him ;D

MANGLER
10-07-2009, 12:08 PM
Any big puncher had a chance, cuz those were the guys who did beat him. And those 2 weren't altogether really gr8 fighters either.

RockyB
10-07-2009, 12:14 PM
I think George Foreman would beat his ass real bad..
if McCall and Rahman knocked him out. imagine what Foreman would do if he got in the right shot! :D

BUSINESSMAN
10-07-2009, 12:20 PM
rahman apparently. :nonono:

BUSINESSMAN
10-07-2009, 12:25 PM
oh yeah, 1973 foreman - ko 2 - lennox. no way lennox ropeadopes his slow ass from big daddys big bombs. one punch and its ova.

GJC
10-07-2009, 12:35 PM
Lots of great heavyweight fighters from the past would have little trouble beating a prime Lennox Lewis, if Rahman & McCall could both put Lewis to sleep then Lewis against the greats of the past is quite easily sorted out.. The thing with Lennox Lewis is that he is idolized by British & Canadian fans, those fans are new to the sport of boxing and will claim that Lewis would beat almost any fighter in history even Muhammad Ali, they base their case on Lewis being "To Big" which is ridiculous... Through out his career Lewis was an oppotunist who never ever fought any of his opponents when that opponent was at the top of their game, Lewis always chose to fight fighters who had been exposed as "Not a Threat" and fighters who was on the downside of their careers..
Ruddock - Damaged Goods after 2 brutal beatings from Tyson
Tucker - recovering Junkie and shadow of former self
Butler - more defeats than wins on his record
Fortune - pathetic match-up
Jackson - Class C fighter unworthy of title fight
Bruno - on the slide and gave Lewis a lesson in jabbing & ringsmarts
Tua - Fattest man to ever fight for the title
Mavrovich - who?
Botha - Steroid abuser not worthy of title fight
Golota - Tranquilized by doctors in dressing room after taking panic attack
McCall - Only days out of Drug-Rehab and in no condition to box
Rahman - Bum unworthy of title shot yet poleaxes Lewis
Tyson - more than a decade past his best, shell of former great
Holyfield - Yrs past best and "Robbed" of decision in rematch
Grant - Exposed after being floored by Golota, undeserving of title shot
Morrison - HIV

All the above fighters was on the slide and chosen by Lewis so as to avoid all the top fighters who was at the top of their game from 92-2004 Lewis turned down fights with Riddick Bowe in 93 & 95, Tyson in 96, Corrie Sanders in 96, Then undefeated WBO Champion Herbie Hide 94-96 Holmes in 93, Moorer in 95.. Lewis stood 1ins taller than Muhammad Ali with Ali fighting many fighters who measured up to Lewis in size and defeating them all as did Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Dempsey & Marciano, if journeymen Rahman & McCall could put Lewis lights out then the ATGs would smash his lamp into a million pieces.. it is laughable to claim Lewis beats Foreman of 73 or Frazier of 67-71 when he struggled to beat an old Frank Bruno and was fortunate against Ray Mercer & an old Holyfield in their rematch.
Lennox Lewis was stripped of every version of the title for refusing to fight the No1 contenders in John Ruiz (WBA) Chris Byrd (IBF) Vitali Klitschko (WBC) with Lewis promising the boxing world he would face Vitali in a rematch yet dragging out his title reign for 18 months before announcing his retirement only days before he was due to be stripped... Lewis was also in the proccess of sueing Mike Tyson over Tyson not accepting their rematch clause even tho it was clear to every boxing fan worlwide that Mike Tyson was no longer a top flight fighter but a mere shell of the once great fighter he was 15yrs earlier... Lewis turned down the largest purse offer in pro sports history a staggering $35 million + PPV to fight newly crowned WBA champion and ex middleweight king Roy Jones jr.... regardless of who you think would have won that fight, Lennox Lewis never fancied his chances..... The above assesment of the oppotunist career of Lennox Lewis leaves a lot to be desired when the question is asked "How would Lewis do against the greats of the past" --- The answer is, Not very well
It is a shame you have this thing about Lennox Lewis you are a good poster apart from that :(
Surely as you write he ducked Herbie Hide you must twitch?

sonnyboyx2
10-07-2009, 01:16 PM
It is a shame you have this thing about Lennox Lewis you are a good poster apart from that :(
Surely as you write he ducked Herbie Hide you must twitch?
yes he did duck Hide during the period Hide was the undefeated WBO champion, Hides fights was shown live` on British TV and after each fight when interviewed Hide called-out Lennox Lewis, Lewis had no title so was in no mans land, a fight with Hide at Wembley would have been a huge money fight for Lewis yet he wanted no-part of fighting Hide, simply because Hide was undefeated and as yet "Not Exposed" so to dangerous for Lewis to fight, during that same period 94-96 Riddick Bowe offered Lewis $10 million to fight yet Lewis wanted nothing of it and turned it down, so Riddick Bowe went and fought Herbie Hide... i am not saying that Hide would beat Lennox Lewis, what i am saying is Lewis turned down a fight against Hide and the reason for it was because Hide was at the top of his game and had not been exposed as to how good his real potential was... Lewis never in his whole career fought a fighter who was at the top of their game only Vitali Klitschko and he was very fortunate not to come unstuck against him.. Lets not forget that Lennox Lewis was a champion as far back as 1992 yet he never fought any of the great fighters of the 1990s Foreman, Holmes, Sanders, Moorer, Witherspoon, Bonecrusher, Ruiz, Wlad, Byrd, Tyson, Bowe because they was all to big a risk, so he fought the lower-level fighters, Botha, Bruno, Butler, Mavrovick, Grant, Rahman, McCall, Jackson, Billups, Morrison, Akinwande etc
GJC surely you could see that... you was around in 92 following this sport

GJC
10-07-2009, 01:27 PM
GJC surely you could see that... you was around in 92 following this sport

Was certainly around in 92 probably in better nick than I am now lol

We did all this in another thread, you put your arguments well and with passion but I don't agree so I guess we'll have to agree to differ.

I'm not a huge fan of Lewis who always struck me as an Englishman of convenience but he was a much better fighter than you give him credit for and I think his resume stands up.

sonnyboyx2
10-07-2009, 03:19 PM
Was certainly around in 92 probably in better nick than I am now lol

We did all this in another thread, you put your arguments well and with passion but I don't agree so I guess we'll have to agree to differ.

I'm not a huge fan of Lewis who always struck me as an Englishman of convenience but he was a much better fighter than you give him credit for and I think his resume stands up.
i agree with you in that Lewis was a much better fighter than i seem to give him credit for, yes he was a good fighter but what needles me and i followed his career very closely was his choice of opponents, i am a gambling man and i love to bet on boxing yet Lewis was always unbackable (1/33) and his opponents (8/1) in a 2 dog race as they say...because his choice of opponents was very mediocre exposed fighters, had Lewis fought anyone during the 90s who was at the top of their game like Tyson or Bowe then it would have been a 50/50 fight.. so i cannot agree with you about Lewis resume, it was fully packed full of dogmeat with no prime steak

Benncollinsaad
10-07-2009, 03:21 PM
i remember some german guy with a mohawk...

a significantly smaller fighter than him & he almost beat lennox...

He was Croatian, Zeljko Mavrovich. Youre right, he did almost beat him. But he had not eaten properly before the fight and was weight drained so he couldn't hurt him enough. He had been so stupid to think macrobiotic food will help him beat Lewis!:rolleyes:

boxingbuff
10-07-2009, 03:43 PM
Most likely to beat him....

Muhammad Ali
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston

Would probably beat him.....

Mike Tyson
George Forman
Joe Frazier

Have a 50/50 chance of beating him.......

Riddick Bowe
Evander Holyfield
Joe Louis

edgarg
10-20-2009, 01:39 PM
Lots of great heavyweight fighters from the past would have little trouble beating a prime Lennox Lewis, if Rahman & McCall could both put Lewis to sleep then Lewis against the greats of the past is quite easily sorted out.. The thing with Lennox Lewis is that he is idolized by British & Canadian fans, those fans are new to the sport of boxing and will claim that Lewis would beat almost any fighter in history even Muhammad Ali, they base their case on Lewis being "To Big" which is ridiculous... Through out his career Lewis was an oppotunist who never ever fought any of his opponents when that opponent was at the top of their game, Lewis always chose to fight fighters who had been exposed as "Not a Threat" and fighters who was on the downside of their careers..
Ruddock - Damaged Goods after 2 brutal beatings from Tyson
Tucker - recovering Junkie and shadow of former self
Butler - more defeats than wins on his record
Fortune - pathetic match-up
Jackson - Class C fighter unworthy of title fight
Bruno - on the slide and gave Lewis a lesson in jabbing & ringsmarts
Tua - Fattest man to ever fight for the title
Mavrovich - who?
Botha - Steroid abuser not worthy of title fight
Golota - Tranquilized by doctors in dressing room after taking panic attack
McCall - Only days out of Drug-Rehab and in no condition to box
Rahman - Bum unworthy of title shot yet poleaxes Lewis
Tyson - more than a decade past his best, shell of former great
Holyfield - Yrs past best and "Robbed" of decision in rematch
Grant - Exposed after being floored by Golota, undeserving of title shot
Morrison - HIV

All the above fighters was on the slide and chosen by Lewis so as to avoid all the top fighters who was at the top of their game from 92-2004 Lewis turned down fights with Riddick Bowe in 93 & 95, Tyson in 96, Corrie Sanders in 96, Then undefeated WBO Champion Herbie Hide 94-96 Holmes in 93, Moorer in 95.. Lewis stood 1ins taller than Muhammad Ali with Ali fighting many fighters who measured up to Lewis in size and defeating them all as did Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Dempsey & Marciano, if journeymen Rahman & McCall could put Lewis lights out then the ATGs would smash his lamp into a million pieces.. it is laughable to claim Lewis beats Foreman of 73 or Frazier of 67-71 when he struggled to beat an old Frank Bruno and was fortunate against Ray Mercer & an old Holyfield in their rematch.
Lennox Lewis was stripped of every version of the title for refusing to fight the No1 contenders in John Ruiz (WBA) Chris Byrd (IBF) Vitali Klitschko (WBC) with Lewis promising the boxing world he would face Vitali in a rematch yet dragging out his title reign for 18 months before announcing his retirement only days before he was due to be stripped... Lewis was also in the proccess of sueing Mike Tyson over Tyson not accepting their rematch clause even tho it was clear to every boxing fan worlwide that Mike Tyson was no longer a top flight fighter but a mere shell of the once great fighter he was 15yrs earlier... Lewis turned down the largest purse offer in pro sports history a staggering $35 million + PPV to fight newly crowned WBA champion and ex middleweight king Roy Jones jr.... regardless of who you think would have won that fight, Lennox Lewis never fancied his chances..... The above assesment of the oppotunist career of Lennox Lewis leaves a lot to be desired when the question is asked "How would Lewis do against the greats of the past" --- The answer is, Not very well
I think that this is the most succinct and well laid out set of reasons vis a vis Lennox Lewis. I have nothing to add, except that I fully agree with him. Lewis played the "advantage" game to it's fullest. Can anyone forget the hulking plodding fighter, hiding behind a protective rt hand poking out his left jab time after time after time......

And can anyone forget the way he fouled a victory over Michael Grant, by pulling his head down with one hand, and uppercutting with the other. You can see in other Lewis fights, that he does this often, sometimes for a few seconds, and sometimes more quickly, just for one or two uppercuts.

Assuming Lewis at his peak, andTyson at HIS peak. I think that Tyson would have half killed him. He had a very understated but excellent defence, was very fast, with devastating power and ACCURACY in both hands.

edgarg
10-20-2009, 02:00 PM
Lots of great heavyweight fighters from the past would have little trouble beating a prime Lennox Lewis, if Rahman & McCall could both put Lewis to sleep then Lewis against the greats of the past is quite easily sorted out.. The thing with Lennox Lewis is that he is idolized by British & Canadian fans, those fans are new to the sport of boxing and will claim that Lewis would beat almost any fighter in history even Muhammad Ali, they base their case on Lewis being "To Big" which is ridiculous... Through out his career Lewis was an oppotunist who never ever fought any of his opponents when that opponent was at the top of their game, Lewis always chose to fight fighters who had been exposed as "Not a Threat" and fighters who was on the downside of their careers..
Ruddock - Damaged Goods after 2 brutal beatings from Tyson
Tucker - recovering Junkie and shadow of former self
Butler - more defeats than wins on his record
Fortune - pathetic match-up
Jackson - Class C fighter unworthy of title fight
Bruno - on the slide and gave Lewis a lesson in jabbing & ringsmarts
Tua - Fattest man to ever fight for the title
Mavrovich - who?
Botha - Steroid abuser not worthy of title fight
Golota - Tranquilized by doctors in dressing room after taking panic attack
McCall - Only days out of Drug-Rehab and in no condition to box
Rahman - Bum unworthy of title shot yet poleaxes Lewis
Tyson - more than a decade past his best, shell of former great
Holyfield - Yrs past best and "Robbed" of decision in rematch
Grant - Exposed after being floored by Golota, undeserving of title shot
Morrison - HIV

All the above fighters was on the slide and chosen by Lewis so as to avoid all the top fighters who was at the top of their game from 92-2004 Lewis turned down fights with Riddick Bowe in 93 & 95, Tyson in 96, Corrie Sanders in 96, Then undefeated WBO Champion Herbie Hide 94-96 Holmes in 93, Moorer in 95.. Lewis stood 1ins taller than Muhammad Ali with Ali fighting many fighters who measured up to Lewis in size and defeating them all as did Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Dempsey & Marciano, if journeymen Rahman & McCall could put Lewis lights out then the ATGs would smash his lamp into a million pieces.. it is laughable to claim Lewis beats Foreman of 73 or Frazier of 67-71 when he struggled to beat an old Frank Bruno and was fortunate against Ray Mercer & an old Holyfield in their rematch.
Lennox Lewis was stripped of every version of the title for refusing to fight the No1 contenders in John Ruiz (WBA) Chris Byrd (IBF) Vitali Klitschko (WBC) with Lewis promising the boxing world he would face Vitali in a rematch yet dragging out his title reign for 18 months before announcing his retirement only days before he was due to be stripped... Lewis was also in the proccess of sueing Mike Tyson over Tyson not accepting their rematch clause even tho it was clear to every boxing fan worlwide that Mike Tyson was no longer a top flight fighter but a mere shell of the once great fighter he was 15yrs earlier... Lewis turned down the largest purse offer in pro sports history a staggering $35 million + PPV to fight newly crowned WBA champion and ex middleweight king Roy Jones jr.... regardless of who you think would have won that fight, Lennox Lewis never fancied his chances..... The above assesment of the oppotunist career of Lennox Lewis leaves a lot to be desired when the question is asked "How would Lewis do against the greats of the past" --- The answer is, Not very well
It seems, when looked at, that several champions have undeserved "glory'.

MY favourite is Rocky Marciano, some of whose opponent almosyt had to be propped against the ropes , in case they fell over without being hit.

Not one live body in his whole career. The giveaway, apart from that, is to look at the opponents, HIS opponents fought before they fought Marciano You'll be shocked
Not to mention that Rocky was a solid well muscled man of 27-28, and a few of his best opponents, were only kids, tall, weedy, with good records against the most atrocious bunch of stiffs I've ever seen. OBVIOUSLY, built up to fight Marciano,. There must have been HUGE money won/lost on his fights.

You just have to see that, in his "famous" fights, against the "OVER-THE-HILL" gang [Savold, Walcott, Louis, Charles, Moore] they had so much regressed from their best, that they had come down to Rocky's level, and make competitive oponents.

And............consider that just about all the trainers, managers, some promoters (his anyway) were "connected". It was the Senate investigations as well as Cus D'Amato's hatred of them, which began the Mob loosening control.

blacklodge
10-21-2009, 02:35 AM
I think there are potentially dozens of heavyweights who could beat Lewis. The locks in my opinion are
Ali (too fast, too greatest)
Holmes (try a chess match with Holmes? Good luck with that)
Liston (love to see those dreads rockin' after getting hit with Liston's jab all night)
Foreman (his cattle herding punches would be knocking the awkward Lewis all over the ring)
The too big arguement kind of washes away when you look at how Ray Mercer gave LL serious problems (and may have deserved the decision), and when Holyfield jabbed him, Holyfield controled the action. Just like all of Holyfileld's other losses to that point and a few afterward, he abandoned his underrated jab (and double and triple jab) and played to Lewis strengths. He could have turned all those Ls to Ws had he jabbed.
But, despite the criticisms of Lewis, and there are many, I still think he probably just creeps into the top 10 heavyweights. I think his opposition, while not outstanding by any means, is better than some of you are giving him credit for (calling McCall and Rahman "journeymen" is not accurate at all). Also, regardless of what was privately negotiated, the public display of Riddick Bowe dumping the WBC belt in the garbage instead of defending against Lewis is more historically notable. I think they both ducked each other, personally.

BEEHOP
10-21-2009, 03:14 AM
Definitley not Vitali Klitschko...


That's for sure.

Adamantium
11-01-2009, 08:59 AM
Sonny Liston
Prime Tyson
Larry Holmes
Riddick Bowe
Prime Holyfield

nachorjj
11-01-2009, 09:34 AM
Ali
Fraizer
Foreman
Prime Tyson
and I give a litle chance Roy Jones Jr a very litle chance