If Wlad is knocked out again in his next fight vs Sergei Liakhovich or loses a decision, are his days as a title contender over. At what point does everybody think he will never get another title shot.

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A matter of pure aesthetics I suppose. People say Holyfield should retire....I say Strickland should.
I like Wlad, and he should be allowed to fight regardless; in the spirit of being fair to those who actually deserve it.

I realize he is not in title contention, but according to his statements on "Real Sports", he seems to think he is.
Perception is reality, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder,
I do not appreciate 272 losses however. That is too much, and consitutes placing himself in grave danger.

Wlad is a big strong young guy. He is fine.

Yea Wlad is no longer a contender, replace him with Danny Williams instead. :p

if he loses his next BY tko or ko then he's finsihed
if it goes to scorecards he'll win most liekly

when will he start being a contender is the more appropriate question.

answer...never

I've never been on the Klitschko bandwagon. I've always seen through both of them. Vitali has his coming soon enough too.

when will he start being a contender is the more appropriate question.

answer...never

I've never been on the Klitschko bandwagon. I've always seen through both of them. Vitali has his coming soon enough too.

So I guess we should just chalk off everyone that he has beaten then as well which includes three current top ten heavyweights including one current champion, two former world champions, and one olympic silver medalist. :rolleyes:

So I guess we should just chalk off everyone that he has beaten then as well which includes three current top ten heavyweights including one current champion, two former world champions, and one olympic silver medalist. :rolleyes:

Can we throw away Gerry Cooney's defeat of Ken Norton, ya I think we can.

Can we throw away Wlad's wins, ya probably. That being said I think that his only real problem is his trainer. He needs to be with his old guy or Freddy Roach...was freddy his old trainer, I don't know.

Point is this game is more in the boxers heads then it is in their hands. Just look at George Foreman after Ali, he was at his physical peak and he sucked. Then twenty years later he is great. It was better mental not physical conditioning that he needed.

Wlad is weak right now, he doesn't believe really in himself. He fights scared. He knows that he can lose now, and that knowlege hurt him. He needs to let it give him caution instead of fear and he could easily be the best heavyweight in the world.

Can we throw away Gerry Cooney's defeat of Ken Norton, ya I think we can.

Can we throw away Wlad's wins, ya probably. That being said I think that his only real problem is his trainer. He needs to be with his old guy or Freddy Roach...was freddy his old trainer, I don't know.

Point is this game is more in the boxers heads then it is in their hands. Just look at George Foreman after Ali, he was at his physical peak and he sucked. Then twenty years later he is great. It was better mental not physical conditioning that he needed.

Wlad is weak right now, he doesn't believe really in himself. He fights scared. He knows that he can lose now, and that knowlege hurt him. He needs to let it give him caution instead of fear and he could easily be the best heavyweight in the world.

Wlad's old trainer was Sdunek, who is Vitali's current trainer, but along with Sdunek he worked with trainers such as Freddie Roach for the Danell Nicholson fight and Tommy Brooks for the Ray Mercer fight.

Wlad's old trainer was Sdunek, who is Vitali's current trainer, but along with Sdunek he worked with trainers such as Freddie Roach for the Danell Nicholson fight and Tommy Brooks for the Ray Mercer fight.

Ya Sdunek and Freddie are the right combo I think and a good psychologist, and probably some strippers. Strippers get the confindence up.

Here is what I don't understand. His brother is the top ****ing heavy, why don't these guys spar each other non stop. Vitali would let Wlad know real soon if he didn't have a chin, and together their skills could really improve.

Ya Sdunek and Freddie are the right combo I think and a good psychologist, and probably some strippers. Strippers get the confindence up.

Here is what I don't understand. His brother is the top ****ing heavy, why don't these guys spar each other non stop. Vitali would let Wlad know real soon if he didn't have a chin, and together their skills could really improve.

I agree. I use that Nicholson fight to show that Wlad really wasn't a different fighter until he started working with Steward. And as for sparing, they used to in the past, but stopped because it would get too competitive or something along those lines. They need to start sparing again. What does Wlad get out of sparing with feather fisted Larry Donald? Not much.

ye tht makes sence
but wlad jus needs a dam chin

When will Wlad stop being a contender?

When the HW division stops looking like sh*t.
:D


Id rather see a wlad fight over a ruiz fight.

Wlad's old trainer was Sdunek, who is Vitali's current trainer, but along with Sdunek he worked with trainers such as Freddie Roach for the Danell Nicholson fight and Tommy Brooks for the Ray Mercer fight.
He should have stuck with Tommy Brooks because his fight against Mercer was Wlad at his very best. He took Mercer's punches and returned with his very own and TKO'd Mercer for the first time in Mercer's career. Hey Neuraxis do you know why Wlad left Tommy Brooks?

Mercer was about 40 at the time, was already down to fighting complete bums on Fox Sports Net, so I mean yeah Wlad beat a good fighter there, but marginally good at best. And Jameel McCline, LOL what an idiot. I was hoping McCline would upset him at first, but after seeing McCline flinch every time Wlad took a step forward, I wanted Klitschko to get rid of him. McCline is big as hell yet he flinches and acts all scared against these smaller guys. That's why I have no doubt that Toney would've beat his ass. If McCline was intimidated by Wlad, imagine Toney. Wlad wasn't saying anything to McCline but you know Toney would be.

Michael Moorer told that huge basketball player, John Salley, back when Toney was still a middleweight not to go ****ing with Toney. So Lights Out had that bad ass rep even back then.

Trouble with Wlad is that his list of victims is pretty impressive in the context of today's division...however, none of it has happened lately....I think he's damaged goods, irreparable, and that Williamson win only delays the inevitable (ie another KO loss). The big guy has a ton of heart but no chin and poor stamina.

If he can regain a fraction of the same composure he used to have, he could still beat Byrd again, Brewster in a rematch, probably Toney, Golota...basically any small, mentally fragile or non-punching HW...

Mercer was about 40 at the time, was already down to fighting complete bums on Fox Sports Net, so I mean yeah Wlad beat a good fighter there, but marginally good at best. And Jameel McCline, LOL what an idiot. I was hoping McCline would upset him at first, but after seeing McCline flinch every time Wlad took a step forward, I wanted Klitschko to get rid of him. McCline is big as hell yet he flinches and acts all scared against these smaller guys. That's why I have no doubt that Toney would've beat his ass. If McCline was intimidated by Wlad, imagine Toney. Wlad wasn't saying anything to McCline but you know Toney would be.

Michael Moorer told that huge basketball player, John Salley, back when Toney was still a middleweight not to go ****ing with Toney. So Lights Out had that bad ass rep even back then.
**** Toney he is a ****ing big mouth *****.

If Wlad is knocked out again in his next fight vs Sergei Liakhovich or loses a decision, are his days as a title contender over. At what point does everybody think he will never get another title shot.

Any fighter can be knocked out. The odds are 99% will eventually get knocked out. It's the nature of the sport. Wladimir has only been literally knocked out once by Corrie Sanders. (Corner stopped the fight against Purrity, ref tripped Wladimir between rounds and stopped the fight against Brewster).

The question "If Wlad is knocked out again in his next fight vs Sergei Liakhovich or loses a decision, are his days as a title contender over?" is purely hypothetical. There are too many variables to consider making it difficult to give a just and intelligent answer.

I'm not saying Wladimir will win, I don't like to make predictions. As we all know, anything can happen in boxing. But I will say it doesn't look good for Serguei.

Wlad does have unanswered questions about him, but he has already earned the right to be considered a contender unlike some recent title contenders.

The question I would ask is who deserves a shot more, McCline, Golota, Oquendo, Rahman, Williams, Sanders, Barrett,or Wladimir? IMO - He belongs in that group just as much if not more than the rest of them.

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A matter of pure aesthetics I suppose. People say Holyfield should retire....I say Strickland should.
I like Wlad, and he should be allowed to fight regardless; in the spirit of being fair to those who actually deserve it.

I realize he is not in title contention, but according to his statements on "Real Sports", he seems to think he is.
Perception is reality, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder,
I do not appreciate 272 losses however. That is too much, and consitutes placing himself in grave danger.

Wlad is a big strong young guy. He is fine.

Very nice post.

Any fighter can be knocked out. The odds are 99% will eventually get knocked out. It's the nature of the sport. Wladimir has only been literally knocked out once by Corrie Sanders. (Corner stopped the fight against Purrity, ref tripped Wladimir between rounds and stopped the fight against Brewster).

The question "If Wlad is knocked out again in his next fight vs Sergei Liakhovich or loses a decision, are his days as a title contender over?" is purely hypothetical. There are too many variables to consider making it difficult to give a just and intelligent answer.

I'm not saying Wladimir will win, I don't like to make predictions. As we all know, anything can happen in boxing. But I will say it doesn't look good for Serguei.

Wlad does have unanswered questions about him, but he has already earned the right to be considered a contender unlike some recent title contenders.

The question I would ask is who deserves a shot more, McCline, Golota, Oquendo, Rahman, Williams, Sanders, Barrett,or Wladimir? IMO - He belongs in that group just as much if not more than the rest of them.
Sanders and Williams, Oquendo and McCline are all out. But Oquendo and McCline both have scheduled good tests in the near future, whereas Sanders and Williams just look through. Barrett deserves to be ranked in the top ten because of a long string of wins over decent opposition, interrupted by a competitive loss to a top-fifteen type fighter. Rahman deserves to be there because he's a former Champ, and he looked great knocking out a guy who pushed the guy who knocked Wlad out. Golota deserves it because the Ruiz fight was controversial. Anyway, my point is (and it's taken me a while to get here) Wlad, in my mind, is in the same group as the first four I mentioned, i.e., those who need to come back. The other four you named, though, are fairly ranked contenders, each of whom deserves a shot at the title soon.

he's a great boxer, even better than Vitali, but you need to have a decent chin to be a great heavyweight and he hasn't got one, but i do still think he can win a lot more fights through his boxing ability alone.

All this talk sort of makes me wish we saw Lewis vs Wlad (before Wlad lost to Sanders). Oh well, sounds like he has the potential to regain his former self but probably won't.

He should have stuck with Tommy Brooks because his fight against Mercer was Wlad at his very best. He took Mercer's punches and returned with his very own and TKO'd Mercer for the first time in Mercer's career. Hey Neuraxis do you know why Wlad left Tommy Brooks?

I don't know for certain, but if isn't the Klitschkos acting idiotic with dismissing trainers after they just have really great fights (Wlad vs. Mercer and Vitali vs. Johnson), there was some criticism of Wlad taking too many jabs during that fight. And I don't really see why that was such a big deal seeing as how much Wlad was dominating the fight, Mercer has a good jab, and I really only counted Mercer landing one power shot upstairs all night.

I would just like to say that Emanuel Steward is just like a super bowl ring. Everybody thinks they want one because the best guys always have it, but once you got it, that **** is too flashy and it kind of hurts your hand, and its heavy, so eventually you just put him in a drawer and never listen to the rediculous **** he says anyway.

Why does Wlad get his chin into range and Vitali doesn't? Williams (6'1) couldn't even get near Vitali's chin, yet all these shorter fighters reach Wlad's?

Derryl williamson only really got there when Wlad tripped. Brewster only got there one time. Sandars only needed to get there one time and then Wlad didn't know what was happening, so really his chin doesn't get it that much.

And Sanders and Williamson both got to Vitali a few times. Especially round 3 of the Sanders fight.


I think the big difference is that people fighting Vitali are scared and people fighting Wlad have hope now.,

Sanders and Williams, Oquendo and McCline are all out. But Oquendo and McCline both have scheduled good tests in the near future, whereas Sanders and Williams just look through. Barrett deserves to be ranked in the top ten because of a long string of wins over decent opposition, interrupted by a competitive loss to a top-fifteen type fighter. Rahman deserves to be there because he's a former Champ, and he looked great knocking out a guy who pushed the guy who knocked Wlad out. Golota deserves it because the Ruiz fight was controversial. Anyway, my point is (and it's taken me a while to get here) Wlad, in my mind, is in the same group as the first four I mentioned, i.e., those who need to come back. The other four you named, though, are fairly ranked contenders, each of whom deserves a shot at the title soon.
Understood, But the first four you mentioned already had their title shots, which is what my point was to begin with. Wlad, being a former champ as well belongs in the same group and deseves a shot just as much as all of them.

Hmmmm, yeah, I remember Sanders getting Vit's chin flush in the first...

I don't know for certain, but if isn't the Klitschkos acting idiotic with dismissing trainers after they just have really great fights (Wlad vs. Mercer and Vitali vs. Johnson), there was some criticism of Wlad taking too many jabs during that fight. And I don't really see why that was such a big deal seeing as how much Wlad was dominating the fight, Mercer has a good jab, and I really only counted Mercer landing one power shot upstairs all night.
Who did Vitali have as his trainer against Johnson? I thought it was Szdunek? (Did I spell that right). I don't recall anyone else training Vitali during that fight.

As far as the criticism goes in the Mercer fight, to me that's baloney. Mercer was one of the best jabbers in the game. You are bound to get tagged by him a few times. I think that is why Wlad lost to Sanders because switching trainers back and forth does not help one bit. Just look at Tyson since he left Rooney.

Hmmmm, yeah, I remember Sanders getting Vit's chin flush in the first...
He hit Vitali flush in the chin a few times in that fight, the difference was Vitali knew how to handle it and defend himself properly.

I would just like to say that Emanuel Steward is just like a super bowl ring. Everybody thinks they want one because the best guys always have it, but once you got it, that **** is too flashy and it kind of hurts your hand, and its heavy, so eventually you just put him in a drawer and never listen to the rediculous **** he says anyway.
QUOTE OF THE WEEK!

I love the SB ring analogy, you hit the nail on the head my friend!

Steward USED to be a great trainer, now he's just finally making some $ off of his name recognition from his work w/ Lennox

Who did Vitali have as his trainer against Johnson? I thought it was Szdunek? (Did I spell that right). I don't recall anyone else training Vitali during that fight.

As far as the criticism goes in the Mercer fight, to me that's baloney. Mercer was one of the best jabbers in the game. You are bound to get tagged by him a few times. I think that is why Wlad lost to Sanders because switching trainers back and forth does not help one bit. Just look at Tyson since he left Rooney.

They have used Sdunek as well as other trainers. For the Johnson fight Vitali was training with Roach and Szdunek.

They have used Sdunek as well as other trainers. For the Johnson fight Vitali was training with Roach and Szdunek.
What's your opinion of Szdunek? I think he is good for Vitali, don't think he is good for Wlad however. I don't think Steward is good for Wlad either.

Trying to blame Stewart for Wlad's downfall is silly and ridiculous. He's still a good trainer. That **** doesn't just disappear. The only thing you could really say is that maybe Stewart trying to change Wlad's way of fighting, teaching him stuff that works for other guys or something wasn't what Wlad needed. But to say Stewart sucks as a trainer is weak.

Lou Duva must be a ****ty trainer too.

At what point does everybody think he will never get another title shot.

When Wlads skin color changes black. Wlad is a white hope and he feeds off this meal ticket. At the first when he was beatin Byrd, Botha etc..it looked like he was good enough to accomplish something but i think even at his young age he is a shot and depleted fighter. Any world class puncher should be favored against him!

hahahahaha, and you just can't stand it can you Kimmy.

Already torn that Wladimir poster down from the ceiling above your bed I see. Who is up there now? Vitali? Golota? Byrd? Brewster? HAHAHAHAHA.

You on drugs or something???

When Wlads skin color changes black. Wlad is a white hope and he feeds off this meal ticket. At the first when he was beatin Byrd, Botha etc..it looked like he was good enough to accomplish something but i think even at his young age he is a shot and depleted fighter. Any world class puncher should be favored against him!
Unsportsmanlike conduct. Lemme ask, what is it that ensures Mike Tyson will get another shot at a title? What got him his fight with Lewis in 2002? Who had he beaten? And who the **** do you think you're kidding? Do you really believe this is about race, or do you just tell yourself that so you can sleep easy when you collect your foodstamps?

It is well docummented that the Gerry Cooney Vs Larry Holmes fight was race issue through and through. My point wasn`t a racial slur but a fact! Wlad, being white, does sell tickets.

It is well docummented that the Gerry Cooney Vs Larry Holmes fight was race issue through and through. My point wasn`t a racial slur but a fact! Wlad, being white, does sell tickets.
Oh I see. So it's his complexion that sells tickets, not the fact that he could fight. That's why guys like Rob Calloway are such big stars, is it? You're dreaming, man. The Cooney-Holmes fight had racial overtones because of Don King. It's that simple.

Look, I see what you're saying, kinda, but it bothers me that people can't just let it go. It bothers me too that white fighters like myself are constantly derided because of a precedent set years ago that we had nothing to do with. It's bull ****. Just let it go, dammit.

Look, I see what you're saying, kinda, but it bothers me that people can't just let it go. It bothers me too that white fighters like myself are constantly derided because of a precedent set years ago that we had nothing to do with. It's bull ****. Just let it go, dammit.

I apoligise if i offended you. But the thread was relating to when Wlad wil stop being an attraction due to the loses he is suffering and the ones that are likely to come. My point is that Wlad has held and title so he has still potential at 28 yrs old and that relating to the Cooney - Holmes clash, he can be sold over the spectrum of fans because he has an unusally appeal, a white, world class heavyweight!

I apoligise if i offended you. But the thread was relating to when Wlad wil stop being an attraction due to the loses he is suffering and the ones that are likely to come. My point is that Wlad has held and title so he has still potential at 28 yrs old and that relating to the Cooney - Holmes clash, he can be sold over the spectrum of fans because he has an unusally appeal, a white, world class heavyweight!
I gotcha. I disagree, but I got ya. I think people like watching him cuz they know he's damaged goods. They know when they're watching that there's just as much chance that he'll topple over as win.