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mickey malone
10-04-2009, 01:23 PM
Who's got the answer to this one?

Think it might be Duran?

CCobra
10-04-2009, 01:51 PM
Roberto Duran fought the following world champion (which totals 18)..

Hector Camacho
William Joppy
Jorge Fernando Castro
Vinny Pazienza
Sugar Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Iran Barkley
Guts Ishimatsu
Pipino Cuevas
Davey Moore
Hiroshi Kobayashi
Wilfred Benitez
Ernesto Marcel
Carlos Palomino
Esteban De Jesus
Saoul Mamby
Ken Buchanan

If you find anymore then please let me know and I can update it ASAP.

Bigmacpoper
10-04-2009, 01:54 PM
It's sad that Duran had to make up for such a padded record when he was old and way past his prime.

Duran's challenges at Lightweight were hardly murderers row.

CCobra
10-04-2009, 01:55 PM
Bernard Hopkins, like Duran, has fought 15 World Champions.

Tito Trinidad
Kelly Pavlik
Joe Calzaghe
Antonio Tarver
Winky Wright
Jermain Taylor
Oscar De La Hoya
Simon Brown
Action Jackson
Glen Johnson
Lupe Aquino
Roy Jones Jr
Keith Holmes
Carl Daniels
William Joppy

TheGreatA
10-04-2009, 02:39 PM
It's sad that Duran had to make up for such a padded record when he was old and way past his prime.

Duran's challenges at Lightweight were hardly murderers row.

They were the best the division could offer at the time and all skilled fighters if you've watched them on tape.

TheGreatA
10-04-2009, 02:42 PM
Roberto Duran fought the following world champion (which totals 15)..

Hector Camacho
William Joppy
Jorge Fernando Castro
Vinny Pazienza
Sugar Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Iran Barkley
Pipino Cuevas
Davey Moore
Wilfred Benitez
Carlos Palomino
Esteban De Jesus
Saoul Mamby
Ken Buchanan

If you find anymore then please let me know and I can update it ASAP.

Add Ernesto Marcel, Hiroshi Kobayashi and Guts Ishimatsu.

mickey malone
10-04-2009, 03:09 PM
Add Ernesto Marcel, Hiroshi Kobayashi and Guts Ishimatsu.
Is that 18 !*?

CCobra
10-04-2009, 03:22 PM
Add Ernesto Marcel, Hiroshi Kobayashi and Guts Ishimatsu.

Thanks. A lot of that was from the top of my head so I missed out on a couple guys.

Steak
10-04-2009, 03:23 PM
The problem with the 'world champions' thing is: Do we count the alphabet belt champions? Its a lot easier to fight world champions when theres 4+ belts.

because if so, then De La Hoya probably fought a ton of them.
-Jimmy Brendhal
-Jorge Paez
-John John Molina
-Rafael Ruelas
-Genaro Hernandez
-Jesse James Leija
-Julio Cesar Chavez
-Miguel Gonzalez
-Pernell Whitaker
-Hector Camacho
-Ike Quartey
-Felix Trinidad
-Shane Mosley
-Arturo Gatti
-Javier Castellejo
-Fernando Vargas
-Luis Campas
-Felix Sturm
-Bernard Hopkins
-Ricardo Mayorga
-Floyd Mayweather Jr.
-Steve Forbes
-Manny Pacquiao
23.

So I sort of think we should do it by eras...ie the 4 belts era, the 2 belts era, the 1 belt era, etc. otherwise, its just not fair for the older generation.

JCC
-Roger Mayweather
-Rocky Lockridge
-Juan LaPorte
-Edwin Rosario
-Jose Luis Ramirez
-Sammy Fuentes
-Rafael Limon
-Meldrick Taylor
-Lonnie Smith
-Hector Camacho
-Greg Haugen
-Pernell Whitaker
-Frankie Randall
-Tony Lopez
-Giovanni Parisi
-Oscar De La Hoya
-Joey Gamache
-Miguel Gonzalez
-Kostya Tsyzu

19.

CCobra
10-04-2009, 03:43 PM
Heavyweights..

Joe Louis fought 10 World Champions. All men were LHW or HW champion of the world at one point in their careers. Jim Braddock, John Henry Lewis, Billy Conn, Ezzard Charles, Max Baer, Jersey Joe Walcott, Primo Carnera, Rocky Marciano, Max Schmeling, Jack Sharkey

Muhammad Ali fought 12 World Champions Trevor Berbick, Larry Holmes, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Leon Spinks, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Ernie Terrell, Archie Moore, Ken Norton, Bob Foster & Jimmy Ellis

Mike Tyson also fought 12 World Champions Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Tony Tubbs, Michael Spinks, Larry Holmes, Buster Douglas, Frank Bruno, Bruce Seldon, Trevor Berbick, Tony Tucker, Pinklon Thomas, James Smith

I'm going to start going further back to see what I can find.

Edit: Was just about to start Oscar De La Hoya but the guy above me done it. Good stuff, I knew he'd be a top contender. The guys of the modern era get away with it so easy. They can fight for the WBA, WBC, WBO, IBF & Ring Magazine belts. Soon they'll also be fighting for the IBO belts. Compare that to Joe Louis who fought 10 WORLD Champions from LHW to HW. It's easy fighting 20 guys who've all held 1 of the 5 (soon to be 6) title available.

Bundana
10-04-2009, 03:49 PM
Sugar Ray Robinson must be runner-up to Duran with 17:

Sammy Angott
Marty Servo
Fritzie Zivic
Jake LaMotta
Henry Armstrong
Kid Gavilan
Bobo Olson
Randy Turpin
Rocky Graziano
Joey Maxim
Gene Fullmer
Carmen Basilio
Paul Pender
Denny Moyer
Terry Downes
Ralph Dupas
Joey Giardello

CCobra
10-04-2009, 04:04 PM
De La Hoya has 23, so is a pretty clear winner at the moment. But Robinson's is more impressive because these guys weren't WBA/WBC/WBO/IBF/Ring champs, they were WORLD Champs. If you looked through Oscar's resume you probably wouldn't find as many lineal or unified champions in his resume as you will in Robinson's.

mickey malone
10-04-2009, 04:25 PM
The problem with the 'world champions' thing is: Do we count the alphabet belt champions? Its a lot easier to fight world champions when theres 4+ belts.

because if so, then De La Hoya probably fought a ton of them.
-Jimmy Brendhal
-Jorge Paez
-John John Molina
-Rafael Ruelas
-Genaro Hernandez
-Jesse James Leija
-Julio Cesar Chavez
-Miguel Gonzalez
-Pernell Whitaker
-Hector Camacho
-Ike Quartey
-Felix Trinidad
-Shane Mosley
-Arturo Gatti
-Javier Castellejo
-Fernando Vargas
-Luis Campas
-Felix Sturm
-Bernard Hopkins
-Ricardo Mayorga
-Floyd Mayweather Jr.
-Steve Forbes
-Manny Pacquiao
23.

So I sort of think we should do it by eras...ie the 4 belts era, the 2 belts era, the 1 belt era, etc. otherwise, its just not fair for the older generation.

JCC
-Roger Mayweather
-Rocky Lockridge
-Juan LaPorte
-Edwin Rosario
-Jose Luis Ramirez
-Sammy Fuentes
-Rafael Limon
-Meldrick Taylor
-Lonnie Smith
-Hector Camacho
-Greg Haugen
-Pernell Whitaker
-Frankie Randall
-Tony Lopez
-Giovanni Parisi
-Oscar De La Hoya
-Joey Gamache
-Miguel Gonzalez
-Kostya Tsyzu

19.
Nice research!... DLH, JCC, Duran have incredible resumes..

I see what your saying with regard to different the eras.. I suppose it would be wrong to compare amount of fights had, to championship belts on offer, so this is a valid point..

Lets say we keep the lists coming, but as knowledgable posters, can be able to see the wood through the trees.. It shouldn't be too hard evaluating quality of opposition in order to define certain resumes..

Steak
10-04-2009, 04:50 PM
someone should do Archie Moore. I bet that guy has a ton of future/former champions on his record(considering that there was only one belt during the time).

mickey malone
10-04-2009, 05:52 PM
Here's an interesting one..

Laurent Boudouani
Keith Mullings
Louis Santana
Vince Pettway
Paul Vaden
Simon Brown
Ray Leonard
Maurice Blocker
Meldrick Taylor
Carl Daniels
J F Castro
Julian Jackson
Donald Curry
Rene Jacquot
John Mugabe
Jorge Vaca
Buster Drayton
Steve Little

Have all fought Terry Norris (18)

GJC
10-04-2009, 06:57 PM
Nice research!... DLH, JCC, Duran have incredible resumes..

I see what your saying with regard to different the eras.. I suppose it would be wrong to compare amount of fights had, to championship belts on offer, so this is a valid point..

Lets say we keep the lists coming, but as knowledgable posters, can be able to see the wood through the trees.. It shouldn't be too hard evaluating quality of opposition in order to define certain resumes..

Another group to consider is the Burley's etc of this world not world champs but a win over him is worth 3 against some of these alphabet boys.

GJC
10-04-2009, 07:27 PM
Fair few for Holyfield:
Nikolay Valuev
James Toney
Sultan Ibragimov
Chris Byrd
Hasim Rahman
John Ruiz
Lennox Lewis
Michael Moorer
Mike Tyson
Bobby Czyz
Riddick Bowe
Larry Holmes
George Foreman
James Buster Douglas
Michael Dokes
Pinklon Thomas
Carlos De Leon
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Ray Mercer

mickey malone
10-05-2009, 06:01 AM
Fair few for Holyfield:
Nikolay Valuev
James Toney
Sultan Ibragimov
Chris Byrd
Hasim Rahman
John Ruiz
Lennox Lewis
Michael Moorer
Mike Tyson
Bobby Czyz
Riddick Bowe
Larry Holmes
George Foreman
James Buster Douglas
Michael Dokes
Pinklon Thomas
Carlos De Leon
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Ray Mercer
And there's probably 1 or 2 more to be added on that list!

mickey malone
10-05-2009, 07:33 AM
someone should do Archie Moore. I bet that guy has a ton of future/former champions on his record(considering that there was only one belt during the time).
Highlights of Moores resume..

Muhammad Ali
Willie Pastrano
Floyd Patterson
Rocky Marciano
Bobo Olson
Teddy Yarosz
Ezzard Charles x 3
Joey Maxim x 3
Harold Johnson x 5

Other names that may have become champs had there been more belts about include,

Charley Burley
Bob Satterfield
Cocoa Kid
Holman Williams x 2
Yvon Durelle x 2
Jimmy Bivins x 4
Buddy Turman x 2
Nino Valdez x 2
Charley Doc Williams x 3
Oakland Billy Smith x 2

mickey malone
10-05-2009, 09:19 AM
Another group to consider is the Burley's etc of this world not world champs but a win over him is worth 3 against some of these alphabet boys.
Well just for you GJC, I've compiled some imfo.. Some of it sent me a bit dizzy so I may be a digit or 2 out on some of it, so correct me if I'm wrong..

Burley fought 3 World champions

Archie Moore
Ezzard Charles
Fritzie Zivic x 3

Here's some of the other good fighters he faced..

Charley Doc Williams
Oakland Billy Smith x 2
Holman Williams x 6
Jack Chase x 2
Jimmy Bivins
Cocoa Kid

However, it was the Resume of Sam Langford that sent me into a spin!.. Here's my attempt at just some of it...

He fought 5 World champions

Stanley Ketchell W
Jack Johnson L
Joe Walcott D
Joe Gans W
Tiger Flowers W

His resume against the best of the rest is somethig like this!

Battling Jim Johnson x 12
Fireman Jim Flynn x 6
Harry Wills x 18
Sam McVea x 15
Willie Meehan
Jeff Clark x 7
Fred Fulton x 2
Kid Norfolk
Joe Jeannette x 12
Gunboat Smith x 2
Philly Jack O'Brien
Dixie Kidd x 2
Iron William Hague
Jim Barry x 13
Peter Jackson x 4
Jack Blackburn x 4
Bill Tate x 7
Jack Thompson x 9
Larry Temple x 3

I also made a mental note on how he did overall against (the cream) of the common opponents... He came out on top against McVea, Jeannette & Jackson but was unable to get past the likes of Willie Meehan, Fred Fulton & in particular, Harry Wills.. I believe he only won 2 of the 18 encounters.. Still an incredible fighter though!

GJC
10-05-2009, 03:56 PM
I also made a mental note on how he did overall against (the cream) of the common opponents... He came out on top against McVea, Jeannette & Jackson but was unable to get past the likes of Willie Meehan, Fred Fulton & in particular, Harry Wills.. I believe he only won 2 of the 18 encounters.. Still an incredible fighter though!

To be fair to Langford I believe he was in his 30's when he started his looong series with Wills and I think older against Meehan and Fulton. People slow in their 30's and it was probably a big ask for a fighter under 5'7 to beat decent HW's so the fact he was still beating the likes of Wills on occassion when fading does him enormous credit.
Obama did a good bit on his record to recently if you can find?

boxingbuff
10-05-2009, 05:10 PM
I know about 20 of Muhammad Ali's fights were against World Champions.

Some of them where against the same fighter.

I will have to go through my head and list them.

I think he heads the list of HEAVYWEIGHT champions.

boxingbuff
10-05-2009, 05:48 PM
Archie Moore
Liston twice
Patterson twice
Terrell
Frazier 3 times
Norton 3 times
Spinks twice
Forman
Elliss
Holmes
Bob Fostor
Berbick

That is a totall of 19 fights against a World Champion for Muhammad Ali

Does that top the HEAVYWEIGHTS list?

mickey malone
10-06-2009, 06:27 AM
Archie Moore
Liston twice
Patterson twice
Terrell
Frazier 3 times
Norton 3 times
Spinks twice
Forman
Elliss
Holmes
Bob Fostor
Berbick

That is a totall of 19 fights against a World Champion for Muhammad Ali

Does that top the HEAVYWEIGHTS list?
Not quite... Have a look at the resume of Evander Holyfield, submitted earlier by GJC..

mickey malone
10-06-2009, 06:31 AM
To be fair to Langford I believe he was in his 30's when he started his looong series with Wills and I think older against Meehan and Fulton. People slow in their 30's and it was probably a big ask for a fighter under 5'7 to beat decent HW's so the fact he was still beating the likes of Wills on occassion when fading does him enormous credit.
Obama did a good bit on his record to recently if you can find?
No kidding, I think the 1st 3 fights with Wills, were 2 wins & a draw in Langfords favour, & Fulton was late in his career..

boxingbuff
10-08-2009, 04:51 PM
Not quite... Have a look at the resume of Evander Holyfield, submitted earlier by GJC..

Oh yeah,that's right, Holyfield fought in 3 different weight classes.

But what about in just the HEAVYWEIGHT division?

mickey malone
10-09-2009, 05:43 AM
Oh yeah,that's right, Holyfield fought in 3 different weight classes.

But what about in just the HEAVYWEIGHT division?
How does CW + HW = 3 weight classes..

Holyfield fought 1 world champ at CW (Quawi) & 18 world champs at HW..

CiganoBoxer
10-09-2009, 07:54 AM
Who's got the answer to this one?

Think it might be Duran?
What i wanna know is whos beaten the most world champs ???

mickey malone
10-09-2009, 09:10 AM
What i wanna know is whos beaten the most world champs ???
I thought it WAS Duran, but De La Hoya who I believe someone has already mentioned tops the list (so far) at 23, Holyfield no2 with 19.. However, I'd say someone like Sam Langford would have a better resume of quality in numbers.

mcentepede
10-10-2009, 01:20 AM
This question is a no-brainer. Sugar Ray Robinson and probably Henry Armstrong head the list. If World Champ is taken in proper context. They head everybody. Ali heads the Heavyweights. Armstrong held 3 titles simultaneously...at a time when there were 8 world champs walking around the planet. And the entire world knew who these 8 men were. 3 out of 8 titles for pete`s sake. That is nearly 50% of all boxing. By 1 guy. With over 100 Knock-outs. And nearly had 4 but held to a draw against Garcia. So he didn`t lose that one. Very impressive. Robinson fought and beat everybody B4 he got old. Age beat him and the heat, that is it. Also over 100 knock-outs. How does De la Hoya winning a controversial alfabet belt over Felix Storm supposed to impress me. Especially since he can`t even beat a feather-weight guy?

mickey malone
10-10-2009, 02:41 AM
This question is a no-brainer. Sugar Ray Robinson and probably Henry Armstrong head the list. If World Champ is taken in proper context. They head everybody. Ali heads the Heavyweights. Armstrong held 3 titles simultaneously...at a time when there were 8 world champs walking around the planet. And the entire world knew who these 8 men were. 3 out of 8 titles for pete`s sake. That is nearly 50% of all boxing. By 1 guy. With over 100 Knock-outs. And nearly had 4 but held to a draw against Garcia. So he didn`t lose that one. Very impressive. Robinson fought and beat everybody B4 he got old. Age beat him and the heat, that is it. Also over 100 knock-outs. How does De la Hoya winning a controversial alfabet belt over Felix Storm supposed to impress me. Especially since he can`t even beat a feather-weight guy?
I didn't create the thread to impress you..

So.... How many? and who are they?... Or do I have to tell you?

Bundana
10-10-2009, 05:32 AM
What do you mean by that last remark: "So.... How many? and who are they?... Or do I have to tell you?"

I thought we all agreed, that DLH probably heads the list with 23. Do you have someone else in mind, who tops that??

mickey malone
10-10-2009, 05:56 AM
What do you mean by that last remark: "So.... How many? and who are they?... Or do I have to tell you?"

I thought we all agreed, that DLH probably heads the list with 23. Do you have someone else in mind, who tops that??
I swear some of you guys only ever read the last post put in front of you!...

NO... I didn't have anyone else in mind, but it appears our fellow poster, mcentepede does.. He believes it's either Robinson or Armstrong, but has fallen short of quoting any figures... You say it's DLH with 23, & I have no reason to disbelieve you until someone proves otherwise..

I was merely offering to check the record books if mcentepede doesn't get back to me..

mickey malone
10-10-2009, 03:03 PM
Ray Robinson

Joey Giardello
Terry Downes
Gene Fullmer x 4
Paul Pender x 2
Carmen Basilio x 2
Bobo Olson x 4
Joey Maxim
Rocky Graziano
Randolph Turpin x 2
Jake La Motta x 6
Kid Gavilan x 2
Sammy Angott x 3
Henry Armstrong
Marty Servo x 2
Fritzie Zivic x 2

15 champs 34 fights

Henry Armstrong

Sammy Angott
Beau Jack
Tippy Larkin
Lew Jenkins x 2
Fritzie Zivic x 3
Lou Ambers x 2
Barney Ross
Ceferino Garcia
Baby Arizmendi x 4
Juan Zurita
Chalky Wright
Midget Wolgast
Ray Robinson

13 champs 20 fights