I've read quite a few posts from people and there views on Tito and while they are respectful views i strongly disagree with them.

Tito came back after his layoff and fought Mayorga. This fight was catered for him in every single way. Tito was a great fighter before he came back but what better way to make him look even greater by beating up a one dimensional talentless fighter like Mayorga. I was impressed that he stopped Mayorga but not with the choice of opponent. Based on that performance i am still not 100% sure whether the real Tito is definatly back or not because that fight didn't give us the opportunity to see a talented fight from both fighters. On that opinion alone i cannot understand why so many of you think he will KO Winky. Winky is a great fighter who has never been stopped and has one of the most defensive technical styles i have seen in ages. He has everything to give Tito trouble and the only thing Tito can count on in this fight is a KO and it will never happen. Winky isn't dumb and will take no risks against Tito to end up knocked out. Fernando Vargas couldn't put down Winky and he had better boxing skills than Tito and had power to match. Tito had touble with Vargas in the earlier rounds and even got knocked down. I know past fights and line ups cannot be completely compared to try and predict results as boxing is a really unpredictable sport but the facts on paper at this particular time point to Winky. Until Tito fights a good all round fighter instead of a slugger and shows us he has everything still instead of just a heavy punch i don't fully estimate until i see what else he has.

good points and i agree, mayorga is no barometer. As we know though boxing fans love to go overboard either in cricism or over hype, its the nature of the beast.
winky ud for me.

thats real talk

Winky is a good defensive fighter i just believe that Tito would be too much for him, but it's by no way a blow out. I think his power would reduce winky's punch output so felix could control his (winky) movements more and tito on points or a very late stoppage, winky doesn't hit hard enought to discourage him either, but he could frustrate him for a few rounds.
Remember how often Winky went down against Vasquez.

thats real talk

Too right

Peace.........

The only problem with your assertion is that Mayorga was the Third option in Tito's comeback. Tito was scheduled to Fight Mosely, they actually had a an agreement. Winky derailed those plans. Then right after the fight Winky and Tito agreed in principle to a fight. Mosely then excersized his rematch clause, only then did Mayorga become a viable opponent. So don't make it seem as though Mayorga was targeted all along for his comeback.

As a matter of fact, Tito and Delahoya had talks which quickly broke down, but DLH was also in the mix.

what were forgetting is tito looked alot better than
anyone would of imagined possible.he was incredibly
accurate instead of wild like he was against vargas.

mayorga wasnt hard to hit thats true but he still
turned in a masterclass performance thats made
everyone sit up and take notice of tito again

md tito or late ko tito

The only problem with your assertion is that Mayorga was the Third option in Tito's comeback. Tito was scheduled to Fight Mosely, they actually had a an agreement. Winky derailed those plans. Then right after the fight Winky and Tito agreed in principle to a fight. Mosely then excersized his rematch clause, only then did Mayorga become a viable opponent. So don't make it seem as though Mayorga was targeted all along for his comeback.

As a matter of fact, Tito and Delahoya had talks which quickly broke down, but DLH was also in the mix.

I still believe Mayorga was setup for Tito all along and i stand by it. There may have been talks for fights but they were for future fights. What better way to make Tito look spectaculer than fighting someone like Mayorga. Thats my opinion and that how i believe it happened. Don King isn't stupid, he knew the perfect fight all along.

Tito may have too much for Winky but i wouldnt be shocked if Winky won the fight. One thing straight neither of them beats Hokins.

I dont know how you can tell that Tito is no Winky anymore after watching his last fight? Yes, he did fight Mayorga, butr he beat his ass pretty hard core, the way Tito used to beat peoples asses. Maybe Tito wasnt thoroughly tested in the fight, and I would agree with that, but I dont think you can jusmp to the conclusion that Tito isnt the guy he used to be after that fight especially since it was an outstanding performance. If anything I would be impressed with Tito after that fight, not dissapointed.

Yeah... I don't think Winky is strong enough to beat Tito the way Hopkins did, or fast enough to beat him the way DLH. Of course am not convinced he has to be either. Great point by whoever said Mayorga should not be the barometer. Another point I'm thinking here however is, that I don't think Winky can dominate Tito well enough to get a decision, even though he may perhaps deserve a close nod.

cheers he siad with a smug grin on his face :D

I still believe Mayorga was setup for Tito all along and i stand by it. There may have been talks for fights but they were for future fights. What better way to make Tito look spectaculer than fighting someone like Mayorga. Thats my opinion and that how i believe it happened. Don King isn't stupid, he knew the perfect fight all along.


It is a fact that Shane was going to be Tito's comeback fight. If you ignore that then you are ignoring the facts. Tito vs Shane was basically a done deal, but Wright put a monkey wrench in those plans, just Like Shane and Mayorga was a basically a done deal until Spinks screwed that up. You can have opinions, but when you ignore facts then that shows how much you really follow the game.

Fighters usually have a list of opponents. Mayorga may have been on the list, but beleive me he wasn't the first choice.

Everyone keeps talking about how Winky was ducked. Here are the facts.

1. Winky lost to Harry Simon, a fight that would have helped
Advance his carreer.

2. Although I think he beat Vargas in a close fight, he allowed Vargas to win the championship rounds therefore spoiling another great opportunity to advance his career

3. He turned down $1 mil, to fight Shane before Shane lost to Forrest, which makes no sense to me since he was only earning about 3 to 4 hundred thousand a fight back then. This fight would have helped Winky get back on the world stage.

I think Winky had opportunities that many fighters don't get. He finally dicided to fight Shane for the Million that he turned down 3 years ago.

I like winky, and I'm glad that he is getting recognition but all this Ducked talk is annoying.

Now that WInky has some clout, he's trying to capitalize on it just like everyone else, I don't see him looking to fight guys who will not provide him with substantial earnings, he's calling out Tito, DLH, and Hops, because of the money. You don't see him looking for Ouma or any of young jr middles.

I dont know how you can tell that Tito is no Winky anymore after watching his last fight? Yes, he did fight Mayorga, butr he beat his ass pretty hard core, the way Tito used to beat peoples asses. Maybe Tito wasnt thoroughly tested in the fight, and I would agree with that, but I dont think you can jusmp to the conclusion that Tito isnt the guy he used to be after that fight especially since it was an outstanding performance. If anything I would be impressed with Tito after that fight, not dissapointed.

hey man i can tell its pointless trying to debate with this guy winkyfan cause he debates with assumption and heart. the facts are obviously not an option for him. i agree titos performance was very nice. even if it was mayorga. tito will do the talking with the gloves. don't get me wrong i like both tito and winky but winky doesn't have what it takes to beat tito imo. there were options for titos return and mayorga was not a setup from day one. if winky was so interested in fighting tito he would have faught him before mosley 2. i know i know. there were contracts and such. but winkyfan thinks that was a non issue. there were talks for a while about tito-dlh 2. but that really wouldn't make any sense. not a good fight to back from a long layoff.

Winky is a good defensive fighter i just believe that Tito would be too much for him, but it's by no way a blow out. I think his power would reduce winky's punch output so felix could control his (winky) movements more and tito on points or a very late stoppage, winky doesn't hit hard enought to discourage him either, but he could frustrate him for a few rounds.
Remember how often Winky went down against Vasquez.

I'm not too sure I remember since when you had to be a big puncher or a hard-hitter to floor Tito Trinidad, besides Tito likes coming forward even though the odds are against him, so I can't say I ever seen him discourage (he was even coming forward in round 12 of the Hopkins fight.)..

tito would knock winky out..tito is blessed wit one punch knock out power ,they fight alot alike but tito can hit 2wice as hard

some valid points. But trinidad's boxing skills are as good as vargas' he was actually outboxing hime in most of the rounds and there is no way vargas'power is as good as tito's. Winky has good skills but joppy, mayorga, vargas and reid all were crushed by tito's power, they were all durable before tito fought them.

my point is Jack that Winky doesn't hit hard enough IMO to even hurt Tito (even taking into account his shaky chin at the start of fights), also he (tito) should be more inclined to be discouraged if he feels enough power nowadays since Hopkins did a total number on him, even though his will is immense he surely has some self preservation in him and must realise he can't keep coming forward one dimensionally anymore, cos fighters will try to do a Hopkins on him.

hey man i can tell its pointless trying to debate with this guy winkyfan cause he debates with assumption and heart. the facts are obviously not an option for him. i agree titos performance was very nice. even if it was mayorga. tito will do the talking with the gloves. don't get me wrong i like both tito and winky but winky doesn't have what it takes to beat tito imo. there were options for titos return and mayorga was not a setup from day one. if winky was so interested in fighting tito he would have faught him before mosley 2. i know i know. there were contracts and such. but winkyfan thinks that was a non issue. there were talks for a while about tito-dlh 2. but that really wouldn't make any sense. not a good fight to back from a long layoff.

You are right i am basing that particular fact on assumption and what i heard from a third party source. I am huge Winky fan and i have been for the last 6 years. I have seen most of his career and love watching his fights. Maybe it's because i can relate to him because my boxing style is similar to his. Please don't feel you can't debate with me, i am open minded enough to admit i'm wrong when several people tell me a fact i didn't know.

Peace............

You are right i am basing that particular fact on assumption and what i heard from a third party source. I am huge Winky fan and i have been for the last 6 years. I have seen most of his career and love watching his fights. Maybe it's because i can relate to him because my boxing style is similar to his. Please don't feel you can't debate with me, i am open minded enough to admit i'm wrong when several people tell me a fact i didn't know.

Peace............

thats cool man. no disrespect here. i like winky myself.

What was Winky's best fight to you Winky fans, because I just don't see what's so interesting about him

Peace to Big_Pappy. I didn't want you to think i was an idiot boxing fan because i'm not. I'll be the first to admit i can judge things a little bias when it comes to Winky but i'm not scared of admitting when i'm wrong.

Jack i love most of his fights. The Fernando was exciting even though he lost and the Mosley fights have been amazing too. I like his come forward southpaw style and his jab. He really makes his opponents fight. I also respect that he hasn't got a KO punch so he utilises his other skills more to win.

What was Winky's best fight to you Winky fans, because I just don't see what's so interesting about him
IMO Winky's best fight was his first fight with Mosley. But even that fight was rather pedestrian. He's solid but he brings no excitment to the ring. Hell there were several empty seats in the arena last week. People keep talking about Winky being ducked, I think he just couldn't sell a fight at the time. Boxing is a business and Winky is doing just what was done to him, he's not interested in fighting solid guys who can't bring any cheese to the table.

winky wright is the John Ruiz of his division.

So you like him because he brings something new to the table. Instead of being a common slick-southpaw i.e. Byrd, Whitaker, etc. He likes coming forward. Did you like Hagler, too?

I loved Marvin Hagler, he was a amazing fighter. Winky does bring something different to the table.

K-Yo That is just plain hating stupidness, everyone knows Winky is not anything like Ruiz.

Hagler was a more versatile, better fighter than Winky. The comparisons to Hagler, are generous.

Hagler threw combinations, powerful ones. He mixed up his attack.

That's why Hagler KO'd people.

Winky is a monotonous fighter. A very good fighter, but not inspring.

i dont mind winky, im just saying, hes boring to watch, underrated, has a good defence, not a lot of power, but always gets the job done, like ruiz.

I just saw that Sturm is fighting Cherif in December, so this could mean that Winky is the one to fight Tito on March...I would prefer to see Tito vs. Sturm cuz if Tito beats Winky ppl will start to say that he didn't fought a real middle bla bla bla...Hey WinkyFan if the fight between Winky and Tito happens I will be glad to take all your points on a bet. :D

who has winky beaten that's even worth mentioning.mosley.come on.

winky is a good boxer but he is kinda boring

Yes, mayorga is about as technically sound as 3rd grade after school fight, however, to beat the man is exhaustin both mentally and physically, his power makes be alert for any body movement for 12 rounds. Wether tito is back physically is not as clear cut, my opinion is that mentally he is still sharp in the game. But it is tru that Winky has a good defensive style, and that brings me a couple years back to a technical boxer puncher with a defensve style and stance that everybody thought tito would run over, BERNARD HOPKINS, no need to repeat the unneccessary i think every1 saw what happened. While Winky is no Hopkins righ now,he does possess some of those same qualities at a younger age. That fight would be something to see, I'm not sure who would win, thats my honest opinion

Nobody was fawning over Winky until he fought sugar midget and beat him.His chin isn't solid enough to handles Trinidad's blows!

He turned down 3mil not to get killed!

What kind of aquisation is that? Tito isn't a winky anymore becuase he passed that stage in his 20th fight, Winky isn't near Trinidad's level right now, if they fight the outcome for winky will not be pretty! considering shane doesn't punch near as hard as tito, shane didn't have the heighth either. It will be proven when they fight, winky isn't gonna with stand punches from tito especially how quick tito is. He's demanding more money to so that he can go out rich in his demise!

What kind of aquisation is that? Tito isn't a winky anymore becuase he passed that stage in his 20th fight, Winky isn't near Trinidad's level right now, if they fight the outcome for winky will not be pretty! considering shane doesn't punch near as hard as tito, shane didn't have the heighth either. It will be proven when they fight, winky isn't gonna with stand punches from tito especially how quick tito is. He's demanding more money to so that he can go out rich in his demise!

which, would be the smart thing to do ....

what were forgetting is tito looked alot better than
anyone would of imagined possible.he was incredibly
accurate instead of wild like he was against vargas.

mayorga wasnt hard to hit thats true but he still
turned in a masterclass performance thats made
everyone sit up and take notice of tito again

md tito or late ko tito

Tko-5. tito looks ready to plus it will be Winky moving up in weight.

I'd like to see Winky's reaction once he gets hit flush by a Tito left hook or straight right. Hopkins is the only one I have ever seen take Tito's punches. DLH boxed/ran well enuff not to get hit flush at all. No way IMHO Winky is at DLH and Hops level.

Tko-5. tito looks ready to plus it will be Winky moving up in weight.

My name is jack_the_rippuh, who the hell are you?

Wright win's this one.... Mucha against what the public want!