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+= El Jefe=+
03-16-2005, 08:28 PM
If Tyson hadn't had that emotional problem
he has he could have been the greatest ever.
he was too good.

What you guys think??

m00ks
03-16-2005, 08:30 PM
He was too good too early for his own good

boxernyc
03-16-2005, 08:32 PM
Tyson is not Tyson without the emotional problems. You take that away he wasn't the monster he was in the ring. You can't divorce one from the other.

Kimmy
03-16-2005, 08:49 PM
I kinda agree with boxernyc. Tyson`s problems also made him what he was. If Tyson was a fighter of heart, which he isn`t cos he quit against Holyfield, then he could have been great. If Tyson had intelligence he could have been a savvy boxer. But overall Tyson is what he is. A thug. Now, he is an old thug that belongs in prison before he tries to eat an opponent again....

RwK
03-16-2005, 09:17 PM
I voted no. He would have eventually ran into a fighter who was bigger and stronger than he was. As in the case with everyone who beat him.

kapersky
03-16-2005, 10:35 PM
I voted no. He would have eventually ran into a fighter who was bigger and stronger than he was. As in the case with everyone who beat him.

eventually yes, but in his prime he could beat everybody.


Tyson is not Tyson without the emotional problems. You take that away he wasn't the monster he was in the ring. You can't divorce one from the other.

no,now you talking about wrong emotional problem. yep he is hungry he want to destroy everybody he fight against, he always got that. but when cus die,family problem, lost kevin rooney etc i and dont think those think help him and make him a invincible fighter.

so yes tyson could have been the greatest, if he had cus and his team from begining with him.

IwatchBoxing
03-16-2005, 10:39 PM
Tyson is the greatest symbol boxing has, I belive he will be remenbered far more than Ali, when I think of boxing, I think of Tyson, that alone makes him the greatest.

manila_assasin
03-16-2005, 10:42 PM
I don;t care about what happened to his personal life. But as far as being a great boxer is concerned. There is no doubt that Iron Mike is the Best!

dando
03-16-2005, 10:51 PM
I don't see how anybody could call him the best. Break down his style and there is just no way he could beat and old Foreman(who in my opinion is number 2 of all time). Ali could have put him away too. Tyson was an extremely gifted freak show who was built to destroy the fighters of his era.

kapersky
03-16-2005, 11:19 PM
I don't see how anybody could call him the best. Break down his style and there is just no way he could beat and old Foreman(who in my opinion is number 2 of all time). Ali could have put him away too. Tyson was an extremely gifted freak show who was built to destroy the fighters of his era.

foreman has no tactic at all, he was always storming and punch all he had the first 2-3 round and he went out of gas like he did against ali.

ali is fast and got a lion heart, i mean he keep fight even when his jaw was broken ;), but he didnt had the ko punch like mike, ali got problem against frazer a prime tyson is much better than frazer, so prime tyson would give ali a very tough fight.

tyson in his prime didnt had a lion heart like ali, but he was invicinble combination with a lot of head movement+ko punch+fast+killer instinct.

dando
03-16-2005, 11:23 PM
foreman has no tactic at all, he was always storming and punch all he had the first 2-3 round and he went out of gas like he did against ali.

ali is fast and got a lion heart, i mean he keep fight even when his jaw was broken ;), but he didnt had the ko punch like mike, ali got problem against frazer a prime tyson is much better than frazer, so prime tyson would give ali a very tough fight.

tyson in his prime didnt had a lion heart like ali, but he was invicinble combination with a lot of head movement+ko punch+fast+killer instinct.

Tyson had plenty of stamina, people are fooled by the Ali fight - nobody could have sustained a work rate with that kind of power behind it longer than Foreman did. P.S. Foreman managed to crush Moorer at the end of their fight, he was deadly no matter the round.

joeboxer
03-16-2005, 11:26 PM
Tyson could never have been the best without his mental problems. They were the source from which he drew his strength. It would be like saying would super-man be the best ever without those kryptonite problems he had. Ya but if he hadn't been from Krypton then he wouldn't of had prowers anyway.

kapersky
03-16-2005, 11:43 PM
Tyson could never have been the best without his mental problems. They were the source from which he drew his strength. It would be like saying would super-man be the best ever without those kryptonite problems he had. Ya but if he hadn't been from Krypton then he wouldn't of had prowers anyway.

i know what you mean, he love to fight and destory everybody in the ring. but i mean other problem like cus died etc, he said he miss cus and cus tell him think and help him throw hard time etc.

joeboxer
03-16-2005, 11:47 PM
Ya the loss of Cus did hurt him. His whole life was running on the pain but that was too much for him to handle.

kapersky
03-17-2005, 12:00 AM
Ya the loss of Cus did hurt him. His whole life was running on the pain but that was too much for him to handle.

yep, but its not only that, he did have good time and a lot of other thing that wasent good for his boxing. if he had cus, his old team, a bigger heart and only focus on boxing he could had been the greatest no doubt

Stickman
03-17-2005, 12:10 AM
He was too good too early for his own good

Probably not too far off the mark. When a man loses all sense of humility, he's in for seriously deep **** in the future. Tyson had a corner that babied him, and a bunch of vampire sycophants constantly following him around, leeching cash and life out of him, not to mention Don King, who's ruined more fighters than any 10 other promoters in the history of the sport.

BadMagick
03-17-2005, 12:20 AM
No, I don't think so. Out of the three (Foreman, Ali, Fraizer) the only one he could give a real good fight to is Fraizer, just because of their styles. Foreman kills him, Ali wins on points.

kapersky
03-17-2005, 12:30 AM
Probably not too far off the mark. When a man loses all sense of humility, he's in for seriously deep **** in the future. Tyson had a corner that babied him, and a bunch of vampire sycophants constantly following him around, leeching cash and life out of him, not to mention Don King, who's ruined more fighters than any 10 other promoters in the history of the sport.

what did don king did to all top fighter? :confused:, why are they listen to him and want to work with him?. i dont get it.

i agree with you about tyson had a bad corner, they didnt dared to tell him thing, rooney knew how tyson should train etc beside that his corner suck.

Sinatra.Jr
03-17-2005, 05:32 AM
If Tyson had not have in mental problems,he might have called greatest boxer ever. But he could not solve his problems.That's why I recommend Ali is the greatest ever.Ali showed awful strong will.He really a historical athlete too.

+= El Jefe=+
03-17-2005, 08:59 AM
Tyson could never have been the best without his mental problems. They were the source from which he drew his strength. It would be like saying would super-man be the best ever without those kryptonite problems he had. Ya but if he hadn't been from Krypton then he wouldn't of had prowers anyway.

i mean if he didnt go around raping people you know
or crazy **** like that, if he had
used all his anger towars boxing.
he was great on his prime, and dont even use
the douglas fight because no one can go undefeated in his carrer
Marciano was the exeption.
Tyson had many god given skills.
he coud have been even greater

MexicanWarrior
03-17-2005, 10:16 AM
he was good
he could ko everyone in the 1st round

IRONTIGER
07-19-2005, 07:15 PM
YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS :boxing:

Iron Mike Tyson :boxing: at age 20 became the youngest World Heavyweight champion with a 2nd round TKO over Trevor Berbick

Born 1966-06-30 - WBC Heavyweight Title 1986-11-22

MetalVomit
07-19-2005, 07:18 PM
If Tyson hadn't had that emotional problem
he has he could have been the greatest ever.
he was too good.

What you guys think??


nice sig.....................................

paul750
07-19-2005, 07:19 PM
Tyson was an extremely gifted freak show who was built to destroy the fighters of his era.
thats a good way of putting it.

Seven
07-19-2005, 08:00 PM
No, I don't think Tyson could have been the greatest ever. If he didn't have all his problems he would have been good, but I'm a firm believe of the saying "There is always someone, bigger, badder, meaner, quicker, and stronger out there." Ali would have dodged and weaved all of Tyson's major shots and made Tyson dog ass tired then he would've started putting the hurt on him.

-Antonio-
07-19-2005, 09:55 PM
Ali would frustrate prime Tyson so much its not even funny. Ali would keep talking **** and taking punches and when Tyson would notice he couldnt win he would resort to his cheating tactics. I still think prime Tyson would have beat all of the heavyweights now and most of the best heavyweights ever.

Truth
07-19-2005, 10:47 PM
If Tyson had the right state of mind he would have been nearly unstoppable.

+= El Jefe=+
07-19-2005, 10:50 PM
If Tyson had the right state of mind he would have been nearly unstoppable.
thats what im saying
him without the raping and bitting peoples ears off.
in a consius state of mind knowing what he was doing would have made him nearly unbeattable

Memorex
07-19-2005, 10:55 PM
ali lost in his prime to frazier and frazier to me is a slower version of tyson. anyways tyson crushes ali

Manny_P
07-19-2005, 11:00 PM
I don;t care about what happened to his personal life. But as far as being a great boxer is concerned. There is no doubt that Iron Mike is the Best!


good post kabayan.



When everyone talks about boxin, any country and continent, Mike Tyson always pops in their mind. Tyson is awezome still.

Tony Blitz
07-19-2005, 11:50 PM
I've always thought because of the problems Mike had is what made him a savage, but that's just my opinion