View Full Version : Heavyweights: 1970's vs 1990's


Stoppage
10-01-2009, 03:16 PM
I thought this would be an interesting thread. There's a lot on arguments of whose better than who in the heavyweight rankings.

Here's some fantasy match-ups. Let me know the outcome of the fights, in your opinion.

Muhammad Ali vs Lennox Lewis
Joe Frazier vs Mike Tyson
Ken Norton vs Evander Holyfield

Obama
10-01-2009, 03:18 PM
I like the guys from the 90s in all 3 fights. Good style matchups.

Ziggy Stardust
10-01-2009, 03:23 PM
I thought this would be an interesting thread. There's a lot on arguments of whose better than who in the heavyweight rankings.

Here's some fantasy match-ups. Let me know the outcome of the fights, in your opinion.

Muhammad Ali vs Lennox Lewis
Joe Frazier vs Mike Tyson
Ken Norton vs Evander Holyfield

Ali Vs. Lewis: Easy Ali decision.
Frazier Vs. Tyson: Could go either way but no way it goes to the cards.
Norton Vs. Holyfield: Holyfield by KO. Norton gave fits to slick boxers but fighters who attacked him head on destroyed him. Evander likes to brawl so.....

Poet

sonnyboyx2
10-01-2009, 03:44 PM
I thought this would be an interesting thread. There's a lot on arguments of whose better than who in the heavyweight rankings.

Here's some fantasy match-ups. Let me know the outcome of the fights, in your opinion.

Muhammad Ali vs Lennox Lewis
Joe Frazier vs Mike Tyson
Ken Norton vs Evander Holyfield
if Frank Bruno can out-jab Lewis, Rahman & McCall can poleaxe Lewis with a single shot then The Greatest Muhammad Ali has a `Field-Day` playing with Lewis before knocking him out around the 8th round, Ali having far to much of everything for Lewis as Lewis has fought no-one in his career who comes anywhere near a Muhammad Ali.. i see this fight being similar to Ali v Blin

Frazier was rough & tough as was Tyson, i see this being similar to Frazier v Quarry (1) with Frazier winning by KO7

Norton v Holyfield IMO goes very similar to Norton v Holmes with Holyfield winning FOTY SD15

TheGreatA
10-01-2009, 03:50 PM
I think Ali would be too quick but you could also make the case that Lewis is too big. Terrell was no Lewis but they had some similarities, Ali shut him out.

In Tyson vs Frazier I might give the slight advantage to the fast-starting Tyson but I don't think it's stylistically as bad a match-up for Frazier as Foreman was. Foreman roughed Frazier up, pushed him and kept him at range while an over-confident Frazier kept boring in. Tyson did not really like being smothered I don't think, and he wasn't the greatest infighter. He didn't attempt to push people around, he just clinched them. Frazier could push Tyson against the ropes which would be trouble for Tyson.

Norton vs Holyfield could go either way in my opinion. Norton was very strong, well-conditioned and had a devastating body attack. If Holyfield decides to brawl with him, he is not going to blast Norton out like Shavers and Foreman did because he is not on their level as a puncher. I think it would end up in a very close, disputed decision.

Bigmacpoper
10-01-2009, 04:38 PM
Norton hardly had a weak chin and was only blasted out by huge punchers in the likes of Shavers,Cooney and Foreman,even Luis Garcia despite his lanky frame was a very good puncher and was a very good fighter at his peak,I see Norton giving Holyfield fits but losing a close decision,it's wrong to assume that all Holyfield would do is pressure Norton because Holyfield was more than that.

Lewis and Ali had two great jabs between them and Lewis has been out jabbed by the likes of Mercer and Bruno(two underrated jabber) but Ali has also been out jabbed by Ken Norton(terrific jab himsef).Odd match up for me as I dont see a clear winner here.

Tyson blows Frazier out inside of four rounds,frazier can't deal with power let alone such an explosive power,Frazier didn't have good defense despite his fans claiming he had excellent head movement,if a rusty Ali was able to land combinations at will against Frazier then Tyson wouldn't need five rounds to finish him off,even tyson's worst critics would deny his power,speed and accuracy and even in the 1990's where he was a shadow of his former glories still held the power to terrify Frazier into possibly avoiding such a match up.

JAB5239
10-01-2009, 05:39 PM
I like the guys from the 90s in all 3 fights. Good style matchups.

I agree with this though Ali-Lewis would be a tough one to predict.

PAC-BOY
10-01-2009, 05:43 PM
I thought this would be an interesting thread. There's a lot on arguments of whose better than who in the heavyweight rankings.

Here's some fantasy match-ups. Let me know the outcome of the fights, in your opinion.

Muhammad Ali vs Lennox Lewis
Joe Frazier vs Mike Tyson
Ken Norton vs Evander Holyfield

Ali over Lewis
Tyson over Frazier (although this would be great and tough)
Evander over Norton

great match ups

RightCross94
10-01-2009, 10:50 PM
Ali-Lewis would be a very close fight, I might give the edge to Ali though, especially in a 15 rounder

Frazier-Tyson is close too, Tyson isn't as strong or powerful as Foreman, he might stun or drop Joe early, but I think Joe recovers, wears Mike down over the stretch and wins a UD or late TKO

Holyfield-Norton is how Poet described it. Holyfield has no reservations about brawling in this one, and he destroys Norton.

CCobra
10-03-2009, 07:37 AM
Lewis over Ali
Tyson over Frazier
Holyfield over Norton

It also depends on the time of the match ups. If we're talking 90s Tyson then I give the edge to Frazier. If we're talking 80s Tyson, then Tyson takes it. Late 90s Lewis beats Ali but early 90s Lewis loses to Ali.

Mersey
10-03-2009, 08:52 AM
Ali would most likley win a UD against Lewis in a tough fight
Joe Frazier stops Mike Tyson by round 9
Holyfield would destroy Norton IMO

mickey malone
10-03-2009, 10:06 AM
Ali SD
Tyson KO
Holyfield TKO

mrboxer
10-03-2009, 11:03 AM
I thought this would be an interesting thread. There's a lot on arguments of whose better than who in the heavyweight rankings.

Here's some fantasy match-ups. Let me know the outcome of the fights, in your opinion.

Muhammad Ali vs Lennox Lewis
Joe Frazier vs Mike Tyson
Ken Norton vs Evander Holyfieldlewis would knock ali out in the first round,the rope a dope would not work in todays game these fighters are bigger and stronger and do not tire,ali would do the rope a dope and lewis would land that jab right combo and ali would be out,after the bell for the first round sounds tyson would attack frazier the first punch frazier gets hit with he is staggered then tyson throws a uppercut and frazier goes flying over the top rope,and he is awakened with the help of smelling salts,tyson wins in less than 20 seconds of the first round,this fight would last a little longer than the others,holyfield wins by first round kayo

TheGreatA
10-03-2009, 11:09 AM
I can't really see Holyfield destroying Norton. Norton had a solid chin but not good enough to take punches from Foreman and Shavers.

Watch Holyfield throw everything he had at Alex Stewart for example and not get him out of there. He wasn't a big puncher.

I would give the edge to Holyfield because Norton was a bit one-dimensional with his constant pressure. Holyfield would have some rough moments early, take over the fight in the middle rounds when he starts to figure Norton out with Norton likely staging a comeback in the last couple of rounds because of his conditioning, strength and body punching. It would be a great fight.

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GJC
10-04-2009, 08:52 PM
Ali
Tyson (If sees off Frazier early otherwise....)
Holyfield

boxingbuff
10-05-2009, 05:36 PM
Who would George Forman be fighting?

George Forman vs ?

TheGreatA
10-05-2009, 06:23 PM
Who would George Forman be fighting?

George Forman vs ?

Riddick Bowe sounds like a fair match-up.

them_apples
10-05-2009, 06:48 PM
Ali would most likley win a UD against Lewis in a tough fight
Joe Frazier stops Mike Tyson by round 9
Holyfield would destroy Norton IMO

Thats a wack choice of winners


I agree Ali UD's Lewis.

Tyson stops Frazier

Holyfield vs Norton is a pickem, perhaps Holyfield by Ud.

Bigmacpoper
10-05-2009, 10:09 PM
Riddick Bowe sounds like a fair match-up.

That could have and was rumored to happen Back after Bowe won the title.

That fight would have draw huge,people forget what a draw Bowe was at that time.

Silencers
10-06-2009, 04:05 AM
I got Ali over Lewis by decision, Frazier over Tyson by late knockout and Holyfield over Norton by decision.

JAB5239
10-06-2009, 04:11 AM
I got Ali over Lewis by decision, Frazier over Tyson by late knockout and Holyfield over Norton by decision.

I think Norton was a better technical fighter than Bowe, but not as much of a force. I wouldn't argue your outcome, but would you argue a Norton victory based on the Holmes fight?

Silencers
10-06-2009, 05:59 AM
I think Norton was a better technical fighter than Bowe, but not as much of a force. I wouldn't argue your outcome, but would you argue a Norton victory based on the Holmes fight?

Not really, Holmes and Holyfield fight quite different, Holmes relied on the jab much more and was more of a long range fighter who could fight on the inside if he was forced to do so but Holyfield is/was more of a mid range fighter who uses combination punching and little turn moves to keep his opponents from getting set, which I think would work well against Norton who shuffles forward dragging his back foot, I am aware that Norton is a very good fighter while coming forward but in this instance I think a guy like Holyfield would be able to keep him turning while peppering him with combinations and I personally feel that Holyfield would get the better of Norton if the fight ended up being fought on the inside as well. Norton would definitely have his moments and might even stun Holyfield on occasion but I think Holyfield would pull through. It's just a styles makes fight kind of thing that makes me pick Holyfield over Norton.