Sean Sherk, Josh Barnett, Hermes Franca, Tim Sylvia, Edwin Dewees, Chris Leben, MMA "Legend" Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, Kimo Leopold, Nate Marquart, Vitor Belfort, Stephen Bonnar, Kit Cope, Johnnie Morton, Phil Barone, Jorge Ortiz, Anthony Torres, Bill Mahood, Ruben Villareal, Dennis Hallman, Antonio Silva, Jeff Monson, Kevin Randleman, etc are only a few of the fighters who have tested positive for steroids at the top MMA organizations since MMA has reached a mainstream level.

Other fighters who i strongly suspect (and i have an instinct for these type of things) roid and/or use HGH include: Just about every fighter who ever fought in Pride, Brock Lesnar, Shane Carwin, Mark Coleman, almost everyone in Greg Jacksons camp (including Georges St. Pierre and Nate Marquart), Rashad Evans (as evidenced by his recently oversized head and bad case of acne), Wanderlei Silva, Bob Sapp, Sean Sherk, Thiago Alves, Allistair Overeem and the list goes on.

The only other sport (and i use that term loosely when referring to MMA) who can rival that amount of steroid use in such a short peroid of time is baseball, and i expect there's more steroid usage in MMA, it just hasnt been exposed yet.

The question i'm wondering is what do MMA fans think of all the steroid usage thats being uncovered in your sport and if it keeps going at this rate, how much longer do you think it will take before MMA becomes tarnished like baseball?

well its not really a sport and since thats the case i say whats wrong with steroid use? I mean since they dont fight any one out side of their little groups its like their just praticing kinda like how a base ball team would pratice against the second string or what ever. i mean in the big picture just because your the best pitcher or batter on your team it dosnt mean crap untill you challenge other teams but if your never planning on fight any other teams then all that your doing is just practiceing and if you never plan on doing anything more then practiceing whats wrong with a little steroid use.

randy couture goes for "hormone treatments" hes been accused of taking hgh

well its not really a sport and since thats the case i say whats wrong with steroid use? I mean since they dont fight any one out side of their little groups its like their just praticing kinda like how a base ball team would pratice against the second string or what ever. i mean in the big picture just because your the best pitcher or batter on your team it dosnt mean crap untill you challenge other teams but if your never planning on fight any other teams then all that your doing is just practiceing and if you never plan on doing anything more then practiceing whats wrong with a little steroid use.

Good point, but MMA fans are under the delusion that it is an actual sport so i'm curious how they expect it to be treated like one when its polluted with steroids.

But i agree, if it was up to me MMA would be treated like the WWE where they're free to take steroids and be in their own little world where they're not held up to the same standards as Boxing, Soccer, etc because clearly it's far from a legitimate sport.

randy couture goes for "hormone treatments" hes been accused of taking hgh

Yep, this comes as no suprise. He's pushing 50 and is more jacked and performing better then when he was in his 30's.

http://www.fightmarket.com/images/photo_images/13.jpg


And this guy has the nerve to call himself "The Natural". :bsflag:

well its not really a sport and since thats the case i say whats wrong with steroid use? I mean since they dont fight any one out side of their little groups its like their just praticing kinda like how a base ball team would pratice against the second string or what ever. i mean in the big picture just because your the best pitcher or batter on your team it dosnt mean crap untill you challenge other teams but if your never planning on fight any other teams then all that your doing is just practiceing and if you never plan on doing anything more then practiceing whats wrong with a little steroid use.

that's wack man. Of course this is a ****ing sport, why wouldn't it be? But yyeah, the seroid use by some of these people is ****ing bull****....

Good point, but MMA fans are under the delusion that it is an actual sport so i'm curious how they expect it to be treated like one when its polluted with steroids.

But i agree, if it was up to me MMA would be treated like the WWE where they're free to take steroids and be in their own little world where they're not held up to the same standards as Boxing, Soccer, etc because clearly it's far from a legitimate sport.

Why? Because it's a different type of combat sport? Sorry but the best boxer in the world isn't the best striker in the world! The K-1 Max Champ > Boxing's 154lb. Champs.

well you know sports have Privately owned teams and organization but they all play under one set of rules so they can all play against each other. Where as the MMA is just a bunch of little groups that dont fight any one out side of their group. They simply need to put in some rules that would allow people in one little group like the UFC to fight people in another little group like strikeforce. Im not very familiar with other sports but isnt football like 2 diffrent leauges that play against each other in the super bowl? its not like they have 2 super bowl's or 2 super bowl champions. same thing with base ball and the world cup and what bout hockey? do the americans ever play against the canadians? id imagine they have a diffrent leauge. boxing has 4 diffrent sections maybe 5 im not sure what the ring title is, but people in the ibf can fight people in the ibo and be dual title holders. can they do that in MMA? is MMA really a sport? No not because of the fighters not because of what they do but simply because of how its structured.

and its probably going to stay like that for quite some time because once it becomes a sport dana whites not going to be able to influence people into reporting fake ppv numbers, he wont be able to make up fighter stats, he wont be able to lie to the general population anymore.

and id imagine alot more serious repercussions for steroid use.

Why? Because it's a different type of combat sport? Sorry but the best boxer in the world isn't the best striker in the world! The K-1 Max Champ > Boxing's 154lb. Champs.

Ya O.K MORON ...Go kill urself 4 saying something so STUPID!

Why? Because it's a different type of combat sport? Sorry but the best boxer in the world isn't the best striker in the world! The K-1 Max Champ > Boxing's 154lb. Champs.

K-1 is Kickboxing right? well then its not MMA its KickBoxing right?

K-1 is Kickboxing right? well then its not MMA its KickBoxing right?

just an example...but why would MMA not be the same? Why? Because there are so many organizations that don't agree? You gotta understand that MMA may be, arguably, one of the oldest sports in the book. It's still fairly new to mondern say society, it's gonna take a while to be taken well be the mainstream. But it's still looked under and sanctioned by tate Athletic Commissions. So i don't see why it's not considered a sport. The athlete's dedicate as much time and focus as any boxer...i don't see why Mixed Martial Artist have to be discredited....especially on this forum....

Why don't these idiotic threads stop ?!

Ya O.K MORON ...Go kill urself 4 saying something so STUPID!

Sorry bot Yodsanklai Fairtex would kick FLoyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao around ANYDAY!!! Andy Souwer, Buakaw Por. Pramuk, Masato, or Artur Kyshenko would kick the **** outta paul wlliams, wcory spinks, verno phillis, ect. Kicks, knees, elbows, clinch, and kneed will help a lot...sorry, but that's how it goes man.

Why don't these idiotic threads stop ?!

I wish that was the case....but i'm a little intoxicated hahahahhahhaah soooo i gave the defend the sport i love so much hahaha

sorry bot yodsanklai fairtex would kick floyd mayweather or manny pacquiao around anyday!!! Andy souwer, buakaw por. Pramuk, masato, or artur kyshenko would kick the **** outta paul wlliams, wcory spinks, verno phillis, ect. Kicks, knees, elbows, clinch, and kneed will help a lot...sorry, but that's how it goes man.

ahahahahhahahahahhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...cl own!

ahahahahhahahahahhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...cl own!

hahaha all you want...but hey, they've all got great skill but when you slam that shin into someone's thigh or clamp down on someone's head and send a knee into their face...it changes the game big time.

just an example...but why would MMA not be the same? Why? Because there are so many organizations that don't agree? You gotta understand that MMA may be, arguably, one of the oldest sports in the book. It's still fairly new to modern day society, it's gonna take a while to be taken well be the mainstream. But it's still looked under and sanctioned by tate Athletic Commissions. So i don't see why it's not considered a sport. The athlete's dedicate as much time and focus as any boxer...i don't see why Mixed Martial Artist have to be discredited....especially on this forum....

Yeah its pretty much because so many organizations dont agree.

oldest sport in the book? are you talking about pancration? or how ever its spelled. well that would be Pancration not MMA. which at the time and still is a complete art not a mixture of martial arts.

Yeah its pretty much because so many organizations dont agree.

oldest sport in the book? are you talking about pancration? or how ever its spelled. well that would be Pancration not MMA. which at the time and still is a complete art not a mixture of martial arts.
well, that's basically the same as boxing with all the promoters not agreeing with the terms of the fight. Pankration, MMA, at the end of the day it was an ecxtremely similar art. It was like MMA with less submissions. so in a way, it was one of the oldest sports in the book.

just an example...but why would MMA not be the same? Why? Because there are so many organizations that don't agree? You gotta understand that MMA may be, arguably, one of the oldest sports in the book. It's still fairly new to mondern say society, it's gonna take a while to be taken well be the mainstream. But it's still looked under and sanctioned by tate Athletic Commissions. So i don't see why it's not considered a sport. The athlete's dedicate as much time and focus as any boxer...i don't see why Mixed Martial Artist have to be discredited....especially on this forum....

I'v already gone over this and explained why the general public doesnt view it as a sport for 20 pages with the other delusional MMA fans in this forum. Go here (http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308725) to drop your opinion if you wanna add to the subject, otherwise stick to the topic at hand.

Of course its a sport you fvcking idiots

Ya O.K MORON ...Go kill urself 4 saying something so STUPID!

you're an idiot, I'd take a muay thai champ over the top boxer in his equivalent weight division any day of the week, striking is not limited to punching.

K-1 is Kickboxing right? well then its not MMA its KickBoxing right?

MMA has nothing to do with it, he was just saying that the K1 champ would beat a boxing champ in a standup fight.

I'v already gone over this and explained why the general public doesnt view it as a sport for 20 pages with the other delusional MMA fans in this forum. Go here (http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308725) to drop your opinion if you wanna add to the subject, otherwise stick to the topic at hand.

you're a complete tard, boxing, kickboxing, muay thai, wrestling, judo, sambo, BJJ, karate are all sports, yet when you combine them it suddenlt stops being a sport?

HAHAHAHA you're a ****ing idiot, go kill yourself.

seriously why are you even in this section? It is clear you hate MMA and you have nothing to offer this section yet you continue to talk trash about MMA, no one takes you seriously or listens to you, you are wasting your time here.

These guys are trollin. Seriously Mr. President and Ylem are both trying to get over the fact that MMA>Boxing so just ignore them

Besides you throwig aroung baseless accusations, how many more times are you going to own yourself?

According to you MMA is not a sport, so why the hell are you complaining about steroid use? it's not like these guys are sportsmen, right?

how is mr president not banned yet?

how is mr president not banned yet?

Because this is the MMA section...

well you know sports have Privately owned teams and organization but they all play under one set of rules so they can all play against each other. Where as the MMA is just a bunch of little groups that dont fight any one out side of their group. They simply need to put in some rules that would allow people in one little group like the UFC to fight people in another little group like strikeforce. Im not very familiar with other sports but isnt football like 2 diffrent leauges that play against each other in the super bowl? its not like they have 2 super bowl's or 2 super bowl champions. same thing with base ball and the world cup and what bout hockey? do the americans ever play against the canadians? id imagine they have a diffrent leauge. boxing has 4 diffrent sections maybe 5 im not sure what the ring title is, but people in the ibf can fight people in the ibo and be dual title holders. can they do that in MMA? is MMA really a sport? No not because of the fighters not because of what they do but simply because of how its structured.

and its probably going to stay like that for quite some time because once it becomes a sport dana whites not going to be able to influence people into reporting fake ppv numbers, he wont be able to make up fighter stats, he wont be able to lie to the general population anymore.

and id imagine alot more serious repercussions for steroid use.

There are different sanctions in the sport, there are plans for a co-promoted tournament put together by the World Wide Cage Network, that consists of different MMA promotions from around the world like Cage Warriors from the UK and Cage Force from Japan. So that's basically going into the right step for the sport.

I thought MMA was already sanctioned by many organizations including the North American Boxing Council.

There are different sanctions in the sport, there are plans for a co-promoted tournament put together by the World Wide Cage Network, that consists of different MMA promotions from around the world like Cage Warriors from the UK and Cage Force from Japan. So that's basically going into the right step for the sport.

I thought MMA was already sanctioned by many organizations including the North American Boxing Council.

Given that then i guess diffrent sections of mma could be considered sports but i dont consider the ufc a sport untill they learn to play well with others

For once i don't disagree with Mr.President, you have a lot of roids user in MMA, especially those who fought in PRIDE. THey should make more drug tests in MMA.

Sorry bot Yodsanklai Fairtex would kick FLoyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao around ANYDAY!!! Andy Souwer, Buakaw Por. Pramuk, Masato, or Artur Kyshenko would kick the **** outta paul wlliams, wcory spinks, verno phillis, ect. Kicks, knees, elbows, clinch, and kneed will help a lot...sorry, but that's how it goes man.

NO man just no. You're a good poster but you shouldn't say horrible **** like that. Manny Pacquiao would KO Yodsanklai in less than 2 rounds. Boxers' hands hit much harder than any Muay thai guy. Even at my level, when i spar with Muay Thai guys, i whoop them 80% of the time and i'm very far from being a Miguel Cotto.

For once i don't disagree with Mr.President, you have a lot of roids user in MMA, especially those who fought in PRIDE. THey should make more drug tests in MMA.



NO man just no. You're a good poster but you shouldn't say horrible **** like that. Manny Pacquiao would KO Yodsanklai in less than 2 rounds. Boxers' hands hit much harder than any Muay thai guy. Even at my level, when i spar with Muay Thai guys, i whoop them 80% of the time and i'm very far from being a Miguel Cotto.

Of course boxers hit harder, but that's why Muay Thai consists of punches, kicks, knees, elbows, and clinching. Pacman wouldn't be throwin no shots after Yodsanklai destroys his leg or sends a knee through PAcman's face. Of course, the boxer always has a punchers chance...and if they were two equally skilled kickboxers, the better boxer would tool em...but in this case, they aren't...

Besides you throwig aroung baseless accusations, how many more times are you going to own yourself?

According to you MMA is not a sport, so why the hell are you complaining about steroid use? it's not like these guys are sportsmen, right?


Congrats on this being the first smart thing i'v seen you come up with since i started posting here. You obviously missed this post on the 1st page:

Good point, but MMA fans are under the delusion that it is an actual sport so i'm curious how they expect it to be treated like one when its polluted with steroids.

But i agree, if it was up to me MMA would be treated like the WWE where they're free to take steroids and be in their own little world where they're not held up to the same standards as Boxing, Soccer, etc because clearly it's far from a legitimate sport.

Congrats on this being the first smart thing i'v seen you come up with since i started posting here. You obviously missed this post on the 1st page:

Congrats on your failure to detect a hint of sarcasm in that post.

I'm curious....why isn't MMA a sport, according to you Mr. President?

Congrats on your failure to detect a hint of sarcasm in that post.

LOL, congrats on your failure to detect the sarcasm in my post you doofus. I'm so far ahead of you MMA fans it's not even funny.

Yep, this comes as no suprise. He's pushing 50 and is more jacked and performing better then when he was in his 30's.

http://www.fightmarket.com/images/photo_images/13.jpg


And this guy has the nerve to call himself "The Natural". :bsflag:

http://kroppsbygging.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/igpc08-sidechest-440-190.jpg?w=440&h=664

I know 60 year old folks that can outbench Randy.

NO man just no. You're a good poster but you shouldn't say horrible **** like that. Manny Pacquiao would KO Yodsanklai in less than 2 rounds. Boxers' hands hit much harder than any Muay thai guy. Even at my level, when i spar with Muay Thai guys, i whoop them 80% of the time and i'm very far from being a Miguel Cotto.

lol sorry but this is just wrong, yes a boxer's hands will hit harder than a muay thai guy's hands, but a thai boxer's knees, elbows and kicks will hit a HELL of a lot harder than a boxer's hardest punch. An elbow or knee from a muay thai guy will do a ton more damage than a punch from a boxer, there is no denying that. yodsanklai's knees would absolutely destroy manny.

http://www.ntnews.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2007/08/22/TheRock.jpg

Paul Teutul must be on roids too, because he has 20 inch arms and he's like 50 something, right?

:bottle:

Sorry bot Yodsanklai Fairtex would kick FLoyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao around ANYDAY!!! Andy Souwer, Buakaw Por. Pramuk, Masato, or Artur Kyshenko would kick the **** outta paul wlliams, wcory spinks, verno phillis, ect. Kicks, knees, elbows, clinch, and kneed will help a lot...sorry, but that's how it goes man.

You COULD be right, but you really have no evidence to support those claims. Im talking good evidence, not drug addict, old past his prime Vince Phillips or past their prime HWs Botha and Mercer.

In regards to steroid use, its quite rampant in MMA but who really cares. Steroids are a problem in many sports. I honestly could care less.

http://kroppsbygging.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/igpc08-sidechest-440-190.jpg?w=440&h=664

I know 60 year old folks that can outbench Randy.

I dont know what is even supposed to mean?

Randy juiced. I think thats common knowledge.

lol sorry but this is just wrong, yes a boxer's hands will hit harder than a muay thai guy's hands, but a thai boxer's knees, elbows and kicks will hit a HELL of a lot harder than a boxer's hardest punch. An elbow or knee from a muay thai guy will do a ton more damage than a punch from a boxer, there is no denying that. yodsanklai's knees would absolutely destroy manny.

That is horrible logic.

http://kroppsbygging.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/igpc08-sidechest-440-190.jpg?w=440&h=664

I know 60 year old folks that can outbench Randy.

LOL, wow. You hurt Randy's credibility way more then you helped it with this post. The guy juices, get over it.

You COULD be right, but you really have no evidence to support those claims. Im talking good evidence, not drug addict, old past his prime Vince Phillips or past their prime HWs Botha and Mercer.

In regards to steroid use, its quite rampant in MMA but who really cares. Steroids are a problem in many sports. I honestly could care less.

Alexey Ignashov Vs. Arthur Williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elVc6UmHLgw

You COULD be right, but you really have no evidence to support those claims. Im talking good evidence, not drug addict, old past his prime Vince Phillips or past their prime HWs Botha and Mercer.

In regards to steroid use, its quite rampant in MMA but who really cares. Steroids are a problem in many sports. I honestly could care less.


Funny you say that, because i'v never met a baseball fan say he could care less about steroids in baseball, a basketball fan who doesnt care about steroids in baseball, etc.

I guess your opinion speaks to MMA's legitimacy as an actual sport where people compare it closer to the standards of the WWE then real sports like boxing, soccer and basketball where steroids arent taken lightly.

I heard chuck liddell was a redneck bum on meth. I would KO that bum in 2 secs, he is that easy to hit!

I heard chuck liddell was a redneck bum on meth. I would KO that bum in 2 secs, he is that easy to hit!

True, i'v seen numerous photos of him out in vegas looking high out of his mind, not to mention his infamous Good Morning America appearance. With a beer belly like that, i think he might be one of the few MMA fighters who doesnt use steroids though.

Hands down he has some of the worst striking defense in combat sports. A testimant to the skill level required to dominate MMA when a fighter like Chuck who hasnt even learned know how to keep his hands up can be looked at as one of the GOATs.

EVERYONE..........PLease stop feeding into this guys crap. all he is trying to do is get under your skin. as is leakbeak (wow thats a cool name).

i figured your wasting your time going back and forth with him(as i already have). he will never admit defeat, unlike you and i. we know the truth....no sense getting fired up.

Given that then i guess diffrent sections of mma could be considered sports but i dont consider the ufc a sport untill they learn to play well with others

You're stupid. Red k given.


American football has the most steroid users. You just don't hear about it because they turn the other cheek.

As much as i hate to say it, the Thread starter is right in everything he says.

Alexey Ignashov Vs. Arthur Williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elVc6UmHLgw

exactly.

No good examples.

exactly.

No good examples.

Good enough, not like the other side of the argument really has any examples to show either...of course other than the, Mercer vs. Sylvia example that everyone seems to feed off of...

Fact is, all the examples showed what everyone was arguing...more weapons, the better the chances are of winning. Maybe if these guys outboxed them then you could argue that their primes are why they lost...but let's face it. That's not why they lost...they lost because they got something thrown at them that they don't know how to deal with, and it hurt.

EVERYONE..........PLease stop feeding into this guys crap. all he is trying to do is get under your skin. as is leakbeak (wow thats a cool name).

i figured your wasting your time going back and forth with him(as i already have). he will never admit defeat, unlike you and i. we know the truth....no sense getting fired up.

This is a forum, i post my opinion and people post theirs. If that concept is too much for you to grasp then maybe you should stick to the boxingscene main page.

You're stupid. Red k given.


American football has the most steroid users. You just don't hear about it because they turn the other cheek.


How did the quote you sited have anything to do with steriods? atleast you gave me a funny smiley with the red k in stead of the usual "your a dumb ass".

any way to the point that you quoted

Given that then i guess diffrent sections of mma could be considered sports but i dont consider the ufc a sport untill they learn to play well with others

ufc is privately owned? are foot ball teams privately owned? how can foot ball teams challenge other foot ball teams but ufc cant challenge other mma teams? if there is so much steroids in football they should be better regulated, yes but atleast they play well with others and can be considered an actual sport. im not saying that i have any problem with steroids in the ufc. where as steroids in base ball and football and boxing should definately be regualted just like doping in the tour. and im disapoined that its not where as i dont care about mma simply because i dont consider it a sport untill they start playing well with others. at the point in time when it could possiably be called sport they should definately tighten their regulations on steriods.

This is a forum, i post my opinion and people post theirs. If that concept is too much for you to grasp then maybe you should stick to the boxingscene main page.

why are you even in this section?

because hes a member of this forum.