Just watch. Roach has taken notice of the recent body shot ending KOs as of late. Morales has a granite chin. Morales knows Manny is a headhunter, it would be the least he expects. I'm sure this so called "Manila Ice", will be some sort of way to sneak in a body shot Morales won't see. After watching the Barrera fight just now, I realize, Manny throws some SICK body shots, though Barrera saw them all coming though was too slow to get out of the way. The other theory is that, usually guys that can take a good shot to the chin, can't take it well in the body. Perhaps Roach knows all this and has come up with the plan. :boxing:

I read somewhere that the "Manila Ice" punch was Pacquiao's right hook.

I doubt pac will attack the body frequently. He is more of a headhunter, and throws body punches to keep the opponent honest. I figure he will close the gap on Morales and not issue him the "Manilla Ice" treatment.

I seriously doubt Pacman is going to knock Morales out as well, and is going to be in serious trouble come saturday. Pacman has never faced this type of opponent before.

The fight will go the distance, there wont be any knockouts!

I doubt pac will attack the body frequently. He is more of a headhunter, and throws body punches to keep the opponent honest. I figure he will close the gap on Morales and not issue him the "Manilla Ice" treatment.

I seriously doubt Pacman is going to knock Morales out as well, and is going to be in serious trouble come saturday. Pacman has never faced this type of opponent before.

I bet he will attack the body all night and wear him down as he did Barrera which many few to give him credit for. The amount of body work Manny put in on Barrera makes me wonder how Barrera even was able to lift his arms past the 7th rd. It seems nobody picked up on all this crazy body work Manny applied with all the head shots he landed as well. I guarantee you Manny won't be head hunting all night and is going to work the body as he did vs Barrera. As far as Manny never facing an opponent like Morales. Morales is your typical slugger when he doesn't decide to box. In all of Manny's fights before being in the US, he was in tons and tons of slug fests. He's seen it all, and just knows that Morales is going to try to get technical on him, though cmon, out of Marquez, Barrera, and Morales, Morales ranks 3rd in technical skills. I really think Marquez was the only one that had a chance and he blew that chance because if they ever rematch, Manny is going to swarm him to hell. I noticed in the 1st rd, Marquez was soooo slow that if Manny would have just swarmed him, he couldn't counter punch ****. An easy win for Manny that Manny made hard.

"manilla ice" is nothing but mind games. roach wants morales to be looking for something other than the left so the left will become a more effective weapon. training to the use the right might make manny more able to use it but it still won't be effective as the left. morales by ko.

Marquez was soooo slow that if Manny would have just swarmed him, he couldn't counter punch ****. An easy win for Manny that Manny made hard.

JMM was making Manny look akward after the 3rd round. Manny was taking some good shots, and JMM was a bit wild with his punches.
In a rematch he would combine technique and power and knock Manny out.

Jmm is a far better counterpuncher than Morales, Pac will be to fast and hit to hard for Morales, you all will see. Ha Ha ;)

Just watch. Roach has taken notice of the recent body shot ending KOs as of late. Morales has a granite chin. Morales knows Manny is a headhunter, it would be the least he expects. I'm sure this so called "Manila Ice", will be some sort of way to sneak in a body shot Morales won't see. After watching the Barrera fight just now, I realize, Manny throws some SICK body shots, though Barrera saw them all coming though was too slow to get out of the way. The other theory is that, usually guys that can take a good shot to the chin, can't take it well in the body. Perhaps Roach knows all this and has come up with the plan. :boxing:

Yeah entered my mind. Hopefully he pulls it off though and is able to excecute.

JMM was making Manny look akward after the 3rd round. Manny was taking some good shots, and JMM was a bit wild with his punches.
In a rematch he would combine technique and power and knock Manny out.

Juan Manuel Marquez already priced himself out of the fight lol

I also think Manila Ice is Pacmans right hook

I remember Roach saying when pacquiao pivots on the right hook, it could be just as devastating as his left or even more.
If he adds a right hand with some body shots, then Erik is gonna drop :boxing:

JMM was making Manny look akward after the 3rd round. Manny was taking some good shots, and JMM was a bit wild with his punches.
In a rematch he would combine technique and power and knock Manny out.

When did you see Morales have the speed to counterpunch in a manner comparable to JMM here at 130?

When did you see Morales have the speed to counterpunch in a manner comparable to JMM here at 130?


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When did you see Morales have the speed to counterpunch in a manner comparable to JMM here at 130?

I never said he did. However, counterpunching would find itself a home among Morales if he were to beat Pac.

When did you see Morales have the speed to counterpunch in a manner comparable to JMM here at 130?


He does it in bits and pieces.

7th round of Barrera fight...and there were a couple of times in the famoso fight where he countered quickly and stunned Hernandez. Or maybe I'm thinking of the Chavez fight.

OMG, effin Pinoy-Nuthuggers, man, I'll tell you. They have one good fighter (Pac) and they think he is God or something. Pac has never been a body puncher and now, all of a sudden, he's supposed to KO Morales with a body punch :confused: Where do you buy your drugs? I need some of that shi+ you're smokin'.

If he KO's Morales it will be in the late rounds when EM gets a bit winded. Manny has great endurance and could put his speed to great use then. Other than that, I doubt we'll see any KDs at all.

OMG, effin Pinoy-Nuthuggers, man, I'll tell you. They have one good fighter (Pac) and they think he is God or something. Pac has never been a body puncher and now, all of a sudden, he's supposed to KO Morales with a body punch :confused: Where do you buy your drugs? I need some of that shi+ you're smokin'.

If he KO's Morales it will be in the late rounds when EM gets a bit winded. Manny has great endurance and could put his speed to great use then. Other than that, I doubt we'll see any KDs at all.
that's right kill morales with the body punch.morales had steel chin as were they say,they can't knock him down even his nose was broken. the key to put him down to the canvas is punch him to his bag(body punch),like he did in barrera's fight. we will see if he will use that kind of plan or maybe he have a better plan.... :boxing: bring it on...

He does it in bits and pieces.

7th round of Barrera fight...and there were a couple of times in the famoso fight where he countered quickly and stunned Hernandez. Or maybe I'm thinking of the Chavez fight.

Bits and pieces is right. Marquez survived cuz he countered for the remaining 11 rounds and was a master of it. I don't think countering in spurts would be that effective. Chavez's preassure stunned Morales, and teh few occasions when Hernandez was giving 3-4 punch combinations on the inside, he landed most of them. The only reason I'm picking Pac is cuz of his hand speed and movement. IF I see him flatfooted, standing in front, and playing into Morales' pace, I don't give him a chance. Morales would pick him with his sick accuracy. But if Manny manages to keep his constant assault, keeping the tempo high and nonstop movements for the 12 rounds, I don't give Morales a chance (unless he lands a big uppercut but this is suppose to have been neutralized by Roach, we'll see).

OMG, effin Pinoy-Nuthuggers, man, I'll tell you. They have one good fighter (Pac) and they think he is God or something. Pac has never been a body puncher and now, all of a sudden, he's supposed to KO Morales with a body punch :confused: Where do you buy your drugs? I need some of that shi+ you're smokin'.

If he KO's Morales it will be in the late rounds when EM gets a bit winded. Manny has great endurance and could put his speed to great use then. Other than that, I doubt we'll see any KDs at all.

I'll remeber this thread if ever it does happen, oh but I forgot, Morales chin is literally made out of stone and no one can ever knock him out. His body is like a tree trunk and cannot be dented by any punch. Cuz really, Erik's real name is Clark Kent :rolleyes:

By the way, MAB was downed off body shots. 11th round. :cool:

Just watch. Roach has taken notice of the recent body shot ending KOs as of late. Morales has a granite chin. Morales knows Manny is a headhunter, it would be the least he expects. I'm sure this so called "Manila Ice", will be some sort of way to sneak in a body shot Morales won't see. After watching the Barrera fight just now, I realize, Manny throws some SICK body shots, though Barrera saw them all coming though was too slow to get out of the way. The other theory is that, usually guys that can take a good shot to the chin, can't take it well in the body. Perhaps Roach knows all this and has come up with the plan. :boxing:

Agree with you. Pacman will hit Morales in all places unlike in the Marquez duel where he focused on the head.
I bet this a technical ko since just like Barerra, the camp of Morales will give up on the 10th. I don't believe they want to see Erik bludgeoned all the way.

IMO Its highly unlikely that Morales will get koed from a body shot, people have always tried and Morales has always taken em without much problems. I dont think it will be different this time.

Bits and pieces is right. Marquez survived cuz he countered for the remaining 11 rounds and was a master of it. I don't think countering in spurts would be that effective. Chavez's preassure stunned Morales, and teh few occasions when Hernandez was giving 3-4 punch combinations on the inside, he landed most of them. The only reason I'm picking Pac is cuz of his hand speed and movement. IF I see him flatfooted, standing in front, and playing into Morales' pace, I don't give him a chance. Morales would pick him with his sick accuracy. But if Manny manages to keep his constant assault, keeping the tempo high and nonstop movements for the 12 rounds, I don't give Morales a chance (unless he lands a big uppercut but this is suppose to have been neutralized by Roach, we'll see).

are you serious after the 1st round pacman lost the rest of the fight wtf lmao.

IMO Its highly unlikely that Morales will get koed from a body shot, people have always tried and Morales has always taken em without much problems. I dont think it will be different this time.

Highly unlikely yes. Impossible no.
But your right, I don't think Morales will get knocked out. If Manny does win, I'm betting on a stoppage, but I don't think he'd be out cold, or downed by a body shot that he can't get up.

are you serious after the 1st round pacman lost the rest of the fight wtf lmao.

If you're talking to a mexican yeah, he lost. If you're talking to a Pinow, he was robbed. It was close fight. A draw is suitable for both parties. We'll get a rematch soon enough but first thing's first :cool:

pacman was pathetic after the first round he failed at everything got bsuted up lmao.

Holy **** ladies. Look at this, am I right when I'm right or am I right when I'm right?

Roach admitted that "Manila Ice" which is the code name given to what he hopes will be the killer blow on
Saturday kicks off with the right hook but the punch , by itself, is
not the real thing.

The emerging strategy ,judging by the workout, was the use of awesome body shots favored by Roach.

are you serious after the 1st round pacman lost the rest of the fight wtf lmao.


Only an idiot judge save JMM. But don't worry, it will be different this time. And you can say Erik is all washed up after Pac gets through with him.

really a judge did damn man thanks.

pacman was pathetic after the first round he failed at everything got bsuted up lmao.

lol that's why JMM had to be helped to the podium after the fight at the press conf.

Holy **** ladies. Look at this, am I right when I'm right or am I right when I'm right?

Roach admitted that "Manila Ice" which is the code name given to what he hopes will be the killer blow on
Saturday kicks off with the right hook but the punch , by itself, is
not the real thing.

The emerging strategy ,judging by the workout, was the use of awesome body shots favored by Roach.

Whether or not he will land it or be tHAT effective to stop Morales cold is just a speculation. We'll have to see

lol that's why JMM had to be helped to the podium after the fight at the press conf.

that's why he wont fight Pacman again. the money is the excuse of course.

that's why he wont fight Pacman again. the money is the excuse of course.

No he was willing to fight but not for peanuts. If you wer echamp and will have a lower purse than the challenger, you'd be pissed too. He wouldn't have started training in Nov. for a Feb date if he was scared.

No he was willing to fight but not for peanuts. If you wer echamp and will have a lower purse than the challenger, you'd be pissed too. He wouldn't have started training in Nov. for a Feb date if he was scared.


correct. :boxing:

OMG, effin Pinoy-Nuthuggers, man, I'll tell you. They have one good fighter (Pac) and they think he is God or something. Pac has never been a body puncher and now, all of a sudden, he's supposed to KO Morales with a body punch :confused: Where do you buy your drugs? I need some of that shi+ you're smokin'.

If he KO's Morales it will be in the late rounds when EM gets a bit winded. Manny has great endurance and could put his speed to great use then. Other than that, I doubt we'll see any KDs at all.


Ok though what's more sad, the part that you have just been proven wrong, or the part that, we fell in love with boxing cause of Manny's success, and now know more than the majority that have been boxing fans.(this is aimed at you) :D :boxing:

correct. :boxing:


I hope both of you are really correct. Coz the fight I want to see is Pacman-Marquez 2. I want to see that nose flatten like Hurricane Charley hit it.

I hope both of you are really correct. Coz the fight I want to see is Pacman-Marquez 2. I want to see that nose flatten like Hurricane Charley hit it.

It'll happen don't worry. They both have something to prove and it's unfinished buisiness.

It'll happen don't worry. They both have something to prove and it's unfinished buisiness.


OK since you're an expert of sorts about peanuts. Will JMM still ask for more money than Pacman? Do you think its fair for JMM to get more than Pac when he hadn't even met in a sparring match MAB or EM?

hes the champ. your a ****ing nutthugger i swear.

Just watch. Roach has taken notice of the recent body shot ending KOs as of late. Morales has a granite chin. Morales knows Manny is a headhunter, it would be the least he expects. I'm sure this so called "Manila Ice", will be some sort of way to sneak in a body shot Morales won't see. After watching the Barrera fight just now, I realize, Manny throws some SICK body shots, though Barrera saw them all coming though was too slow to get out of the way. The other theory is that, usually guys that can take a good shot to the chin, can't take it well in the body. Perhaps Roach knows all this and has come up with the plan. :boxing:
naming a punch
how fukin lame is that
hahahahhaa

hes the champ. your a ****ing nutthugger i swear.


I hate bad words. But I think you are the one you swear to. Think again its not the first time a fighter is paid more than the champion.

dude your just annoying.

OK since you're an expert of sorts about peanuts. Will JMM still ask for more money than Pacman? Do you think its fair for JMM to get more than Pac when he hadn't even met in a sparring match MAB or EM?

Yes, cuz he's THE ****ING CHAMP! At least maybe 50/50, JMM don't deserve a lower purse cuz it's the FIGHT that is the draw and no longer ONE FIGHTER. If this was teh first match, Pac was the draw. Now people wanna see them BOTH go at it and ressolve the previous decision.

dude your just annoying.


I'm not annoying. You're not using your brain enough. Morales is supposed to be a BETTER THINKING BOXER than Pacman. I can't understand why his hugger is not.

Yes, cuz he's THE ****ING CHAMP! At least maybe 50/50, JMM don't deserve a lower purse cuz it's the FIGHT that is the draw and no longer ONE FIGHTER. If this was teh first match, Pac was the draw. Now people wanna see them BOTH go at it and ressolve the previous decision.


He was a champion during the first fight. But the draw put a damper on it. Why do you think his own promoter (Top Rank) agreed he should get a lower purse than Pac?

i think pac will win, morales does not have a strong body muscle he will be knocked down i think but it shall be a long fight

He was a champion during the first fight. But the draw put a damper on it. Why do you think his own promoter (Top Rank) agreed he should get a lower purse than Pac?

So your justifying Arum's action? You're actually pro-Top Rank? When Murad was screwing Manny, you prolly never had a problem being angry, now that it's happening to Marquez, you can't see the same shady situation cuz Pac's the opponent :rolleyes:

Only an idiot judge save JMM. But don't worry, it will be different this time. .

You have got to be kidding.

JMM was making Manny look like the average talented puncher he is. If they fight again, it will take more than a judge to change the outcome. I think Manny will need several

"ring doctors". That or a Psychoanalyst:

Doc, I just do not understand. Why am I not as good a fighter as Juan Manuel. I try everything. The windmill, I place my hands in the air after eating leather in an exchange, ....what else can I do?

So your justifying Arum's action? You're actually pro-Top Rank? When Murad was screwing Manny, you prolly never had a problem being angry, now that it's happening to Marquez, you can't see the same shady situation cuz Pac's the opponent :rolleyes:


There's a market value for everything. I don't really care if JMM get a higher purse as long as it doesn't affect Pac's purse. Just like the EM-Pac's purses, I think its fair. I think Pac made a good move in improving his stock by hiring a US mgt team for his future fights.

Now JMM needs to do something to improve his own stock, that's for sure. Even Dela Hoya and BHop are putting matters in their own hands to get more money.

But I just don't agree that JMM ante up his share by downgrading Pac's purse.

They at worst should have equal say in the purse. At best, Pac was lucky to have recieved a draw, in a fight he lost IMO. I scored the first round 10-7 in favor of Manny, and basically the rest for JMM. Pacquiao was getting exposed, bad.

JMM Is the champ not Pacman.

They at worst should have equal say in the purse. At best, Pac was lucky to have recieved a draw, in a fight he lost IMO. I scored the first round 10-7 in favor of Manny, and basically the rest for JMM. Pacquiao was getting exposed, bad.

JMM Is the champ not Pacman.


Guess you're the other judge in the fight. Sorry but there were 3 judges there and one didn't score a 10-7. That's why JMM was favored in the scoring.

Anyway, we need an MP-JMM 2. That's for sure.

Got that right buddy. Wanna wager some points if it does happen?


Let's bet on it when its sealed!

They at worst should have equal say in the purse. At best, Pac was lucky to have recieved a draw, in a fight he lost IMO. I scored the first round 10-7 in favor of Manny, and basically the rest for JMM. Pacquiao was getting exposed, bad.

JMM Is the champ not Pacman.


Hey Bro be real . . . equal purse? You've got to be the one kidding Bro :D

While JMM has belts and being recognized as the CHAMP for two ALPHABET Boxing Bodies Manny is the number P4P featherweight fighter. While JMM is a BORING fighter . . . Manny is ONE of the most exciting fighters today.

Boxing is a SPORTS but also a business . . . do you know how much Morales received when he challenged the CHAMPS at 130? It was more than twice what these champs received :p not to mention the $25 million DLH received when he fought Hopkins who merely received $ 10 or $12 million???? despite having four belts. Now that's boxing for you . . . so stop justifying JMMs excuse of not fighting Manny because of purse issue. That's a very LAME excuse that make JMM looks more STUPID if you guys will keep justifying it. :) While JMM is the most awesome counter puncher at present nobody would pay him that kind of money he is asking. That's a fact.

You love this sports? Then you'll have to accept AND EMBRACE the whole of it.

Champion?
whats all this champ talk
niether of the two are champs
erik lost his belts to MAB
and Pac has had one since he left the super bantams
they are however fighting for vacant belts

Juan Manuel Marquez already priced himself out of the fight lol

I also think Manila Ice is Pacmans right hook

I remember Roach saying when pacquiao pivots on the right hook, it could be just as devastating as his left or even more.
If he adds a right hand with some body shots, then Erik is gonna drop :boxing:

Manny's manila ice is too dangerous for morales.

They at worst should have equal say in the purse. At best, Pac was lucky to have recieved a draw, in a fight he lost IMO. I scored the first round 10-7 in favor of Manny, and basically the rest for JMM. Pacquiao was getting exposed, bad.

JMM Is the champ not Pacman.

No he wasn't "lucky" he got the draw, It doesn't matter who YOU THINK won the fight. The fact is Marquez is the one who got "lucky" because a judge ****ed up. For goodness sakes, the judge even admitted to teh media he made the mistake. Again, whether you think Marquez won, or I think Pac won is irrelivent. We're not judging :cool:

There's a market value for everything. I don't really care if JMM get a higher purse as long as it doesn't affect Pac's purse. Just like the EM-Pac's purses, I think its fair. I think Pac made a good move in improving his stock by hiring a US mgt team for his future fights.

Now JMM needs to do something to improve his own stock, that's for sure. Even Dela Hoya and BHop are putting matters in their own hands to get more money.

But I just don't agree that JMM ante up his share by downgrading Pac's purse.

See THAT makes sense. And no you're right Pac's purse shouldn't be downgraded. Top Rank just had to give Marquez more money plain and simple and the fight would have materialized no problem.

They at worst should have equal say in the purse. At best, Pac was lucky to have recieved a draw, in a fight he lost IMO. I scored the first round 10-7 in favor of Manny, and basically the rest for JMM. Pacquiao was getting exposed, bad.

JMM Is the champ not Pacman.

This "exposed" and "one-dimensional" **** is getting out of hand and know-it-all posters :rolleyes: are giving their "proffesional" assesment of Pac. Guy fights ONE fight one-dimensional and he's labeled for life, yeeesh....

Please... if you scored 1 round for Pac and the rest for JMM you better wake up, let go of Marquez's comeback hype and watch it again after getting your eyes checked.
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10-7 First round? PFFfffff says it all :cool:

I doubt pac will attack the body frequently. He is more of a headhunter, and throws body punches to keep the opponent honest. I figure he will close the gap on Morales and not issue him the "Manilla Ice" treatment.

I seriously doubt Pacman is going to knock Morales out as well, and is going to be in serious trouble come saturday. Pacman has never faced this type of opponent before.
every fight he had from the ledwaba bout onwards, people always say that pac has never faced a fighter like this or like that... before he faced MAB he has not faced a top-caliber fighter like MAB but beat him... this one's just the going to end the same way it as the MAB bout...

10-7 First round? PFFfffff says it all :cool:

are you supposed to score it a 10-6 or what?.

Let me guess....you scored it a 10-2.

are you supposed to score it a 10-6 or what?.

Let me guess....you scored it a 10-2.

No I scored it 10-0 :rolleyes:

1 extra point for every knockdown. 9 - 3 = 6. Why would you score a 3 knock down round the same as a 2 kd round :confused: ?