just watched ray robinson vs carmen basillio II...why is this guy considered the greatest? (i know i might get flamed for this, but i want some feedback. + i know i shouldnt judge just from 1 fight, so recommend me his best performances) :wave:

just watched ray robinson vs carmen basillio II...why is this guy considered the greatest? (i know i might get flamed for this, but i want some feedback. + i know i shouldnt judge just from 1 fight, so recommend me his best performances) :wave:

This was also Robinsons 18th year as a pro and with almost 150 fights, not to mention Basilio was one of the greatest pressure fighters ever.

His overall competition beat is why he considered the greatest.

If not Robinson, who would you rank the greatest p4p fighter, my friend?

just watched ray robinson vs carmen basillio II...why is this guy considered the greatest? (i know i might get flamed for this, but i want some feedback. + i know i shouldnt judge just from 1 fight, so recommend me his best performances) :wave:

He was extra-ordinary to be able to do what he did against Basilio at 38 years of age, regaining the middleweight title for a 5th time. It was not one of his best ever performances because he was aging and never the same after the 3 year break from boxing he took in 1952-1955.

Watching these films should leave you with an impression of his abilities:

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Robinson ordinary!.. Perish the thought.. Some months ago, I made the mistake of suggesting that Felix Trinidad may have been a better fighter at 147.. I've since reconsidered my views..
As an amateur lightweight he was unbeaten in 85 bouts with 69 KO's, 40 of those coming in the 1st round!
He then won his first 26 professional fights inside a year!
Like Ali, he carried on for too long, which was when most of his losses occurred..
However, I don't believe he was ever beaten at welter, & avenged most of his losses at Middle.. I wouldn't quite say he was the best MW of AT, but at 147, I'm convinced he is.. You only have to study the footage sent in by GreatA (many thanks) to see that Ray Robinson was NOT an ordinary fighter!

I think the KO of Bobo Olson 3 is my favorite Ray Robinson combination of them all.

thnx for the vids..and the greatest p4p fighter to ME is bernard hopkins

thnx for the vids..and the greatest p4p fighter to ME is bernard hopkins

Bernard looks ordinary to me.

thnx for the vids..and the greatest p4p fighter to ME is bernard hopkins

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!:op:

Bernard looks ordinary to me.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still slip him one but he's not half of a dish as Calzaghe.

Maybe he ordinary on the footage you watched, because he is 12 years past his best and is 38 years old. But yet is still fighting for the middlweight title and beating a fellow great in carmon.

before you talk utter ****, do your reasearch.

Robinson has 19 losses! Which great has 19 losses? Mayweather has never lost and he has more titles in more divisions than Robinson.

ATG? :nonono:

thnx for the vids..and the greatest p4p fighter to ME is bernard hopkins

He not even the greatest fighter out of Philadelphia...Bernard makes my 50 greatest tho.

Robinson has 19 losses! Which great has 19 losses? Mayweather has never lost and he has more titles in more divisions than Robinson.

ATG? :nonono:

:sleeping:

We'll see how undefeated Mayweather is by the time he reaches his late 30s, should he even keep fighting for that long.

thnx for the vids..and the greatest p4p fighter to ME is bernard hopkins

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:tapedshut

He not even the greatest fighter out of Philadelphia...Bernard makes my 50 greatest tho.



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We'll see how undefeated Mayweather is by the time he reaches his late 30s, should he even keep fighting for that long.

GOAT! Undefeated. That's all you need to know! Robinson has 19 losses! They don't compare. Pretty Boy Money Mayweather: the greatest fighter ever P4P.

40-0 is all you need to know.

Robinson has 19 losses! Which great has 19 losses? Mayweather has never lost and he has more titles in more divisions than Robinson.

ATG? :nonono:

Lol!! :fing02:

thnx for the vids..and the greatest p4p fighter to ME is bernard hopkins

For real Detox? How come?

Robinson has 19 losses! Which great has 19 losses? Mayweather has never lost and he has more titles in more divisions than Robinson.

ATG? :nonono:

GOAT! Undefeated. That's all you need to know! Robinson has 19 losses! They don't compare. Pretty Boy Money Mayweather: the greatest fighter ever P4P.

40-0 is all you need to know.

You are definitely the dumbest poster i have ran across so far. The most ignorant poster of all time . He had 19 losses to 173 wins you dumb poor excuse of a maggot! He at one time fought 5 times in 4 different countries in one month! No fighter alive can do what hes done. He didnt duck nobody. Out of 198 fights 108 of his opponents were kod. He was Kod 1 time out of 198fights. Floyds couldnt be a pimple on this mans ass crack. You are a complete moron!

You are definitely the dumbest poster i have ran across so far. The most ignorant poster of all time . He had 19 losses to 173 wins you dumb poor excuse of a maggot! He at one time fought 5 times in 4 different countries in one month! No fighter alive can do what hes done. He didnt duck nobody. Out of 198 fights 108 of his opponents were kod. He was Kod 1 time out of 198fights. Floyds couldnt be a pimple on this mans ass crack. You are a complete moron!

Not for nothing, but you should try to understand Benny's humor and sarcasm before letting fly with all the name calling. Benny is one of the best posters on this site.

Lol!! :fing02:

:lol1: :rofl:



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You are definitely the dumbest poster i have ran across so far. The most ignorant poster of all time . He had 19 losses to 173 wins you dumb poor excuse of a maggot! He at one time fought 5 times in 4 different countries in one month! No fighter alive can do what hes done. He didnt duck nobody. Out of 198 fights 108 of his opponents were kod. He was Kod 1 time out of 198fights. Floyds couldnt be a pimple on this mans ass crack. You are a complete moron!

:ugh:.......





Does that mean he's better than the Pacman:eek:

You are definitely the dumbest poster i have ran across so far. The most ignorant poster of all time . He had 19 losses to 173 wins you dumb poor excuse of a maggot! He at one time fought 5 times in 4 different countries in one month! No fighter alive can do what hes done. He didnt duck nobody. Out of 198 fights 108 of his opponents were kod. He was Kod 1 time out of 198fights. Floyds couldnt be a pimple on this mans ass crack. You are a complete moron!

I know that this is probably the first thread you've ever read that didn't have something to do with Manny Pacquiao, but surely you've grasped the concept of sarcasm by now?:smashfrea

Robinson has 19 losses! Which great has 19 losses? Mayweather has never lost and he has more titles in more divisions than Robinson.

ATG? :nonono:
Benny, behave :)

Benny, behave :)



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P4P GOAT Money Mayweather!!!!!!!!

I know that this is probably the first thread you've ever read that didn't have something to do with Manny Pacquiao, but surely you've grasped the concept of sarcasm by now?:smashfrea

Well now, to be fair he's probably used to seeing posts by Flawless and Horus saying just that and actually meaning it! Knowing Benny as I do I know to take it as sarcasm but I do know there are plenty of posters out there who actually believe that sort of thing.

Poet

Not for nothing, but you should try to understand Benny's humor and sarcasm before letting fly with all the name calling. Benny is one of the best posters on this site.

I was about to take the bait as well and tear into Benny for saying such ignorant sh*t. I understand sarcasm but you have to know the person to "know" whether it's sarcasm or something else.

Well that ruined my post. I was putting together a whole spiel in my head about old time boxers fighting once a month, often times twice a month; not having months between bouts to prepare strategy; not having video of your opponents. Oh well. :-)

Robinson has 19 losses! Which great has 19 losses? Mayweather has never lost and he has more titles in more divisions than Robinson.

ATG? :nonono:
That was 19 losses out of 85 Amateur & 202 Pro bouts..
With Floyd's current activety rating, he'd need to fight for another 100 years to get any where near this kind of resume..
Had there been L/welter, L/middle & S/middle divisions back in the day, he'd have undoubtedly snatched those aswell..

He was extra-ordinary to be able to do what he did against Basilio at 38 years of age, regaining the middleweight title for a 5th time. It was not one of his best ever performances because he was aging and never the same after the 3 year break from boxing he took in 1952-1955.

Watching these films should leave you with an impression of his abilities:

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AMAZING is the only word to use when describing Robinson, if i was to use four words they would be "ONE OF A KIND"

AMAZING is the only word to use when describing Robinson, if i was to use four words they would be "ONE OF A KIND"

Yep! There's a reason Robinson is the consensus GOAT :boxing:

Poet

AMAZING is the only word to use when describing Robinson, if i was to use four words they would be "ONE OF A KIND"

Sonny, you had a green bar the other day, how did you get turned all red?

Back in the Seventies, I had an 8 MM real of a Sugar Ray Robinson knockout special.

It was amazing the skills demonstrated. For instance a straight left to the body of one opponent looked liked they were speared with an ancient lance. Fast hands, fast feet, fast brain, excellent ring movement and on and on and on and he could score a knockout with one punch or a rapid fire series of combinations, take your poison.